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	<title>Comments on: USO directors object to MoveOn&#8217;s cash</title>
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		<title>By: Tommygun</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-225310</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommygun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the traitors&#039; money, so we can use it against them.  I cannot comment more, or I will be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the traitors&#8217; money, so we can use it against them.  I cannot comment more, or I will be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: scooter56</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-209186</link>
		<dc:creator>scooter56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time my daughter calls from Iraq I won&#039;t be asking her opinion on the matter. Our time on the phone is limited and is to precious to spend on such things. I don&#039;t care where the cards come from, just as long as I get to hear from her. I know that many people that don&#039;t support the war do support the troops. Many of them are my friends who also have children in the service. 
I always fear the extended periods when I do not hear from her via phone or email because of communications blackouts in her unit, pending notification of families of injuries or the death of a fellow soldier. The phone card donations are a great way to support the troops and family members stateside. Frequent calls help alleviate the panic I feel every time my doorbell rings if I have not heard from her recently. I don&#039;t care who supports the troops and for what reasons. I&#039;m just glad that they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time my daughter calls from Iraq I won&#8217;t be asking her opinion on the matter. Our time on the phone is limited and is to precious to spend on such things. I don&#8217;t care where the cards come from, just as long as I get to hear from her. I know that many people that don&#8217;t support the war do support the troops. Many of them are my friends who also have children in the service.<br />
I always fear the extended periods when I do not hear from her via phone or email because of communications blackouts in her unit, pending notification of families of injuries or the death of a fellow soldier. The phone card donations are a great way to support the troops and family members stateside. Frequent calls help alleviate the panic I feel every time my doorbell rings if I have not heard from her recently. I don&#8217;t care who supports the troops and for what reasons. I&#8217;m just glad that they do.</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208938</link>
		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RetFireman,

You are completely missing my point. I hope others on this site have understood my message.

Please tell me that you are capable of analyzing this on more than one level.

Name one thing I stated which leads you to believe that I was, “easily swayed by such a transparent and menial act.”

I know my posts are long so let me break it down for you. I still think moveon is scummy despite their contribution to the USO. I still think the USO is good despite their acceptance of said contribution. I am not concerned about the USO being “exploited.” I think that anyone that pulls donations from the USO because of this is bad (or lacks understanding). I truly think there’s a way to use this to turn the tables on moveon.

And one more thing, do not ever imply that I’m a troll again, Sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RetFireman,</p>
<p>You are completely missing my point. I hope others on this site have understood my message.</p>
<p>Please tell me that you are capable of analyzing this on more than one level.</p>
<p>Name one thing I stated which leads you to believe that I was, “easily swayed by such a transparent and menial act.”</p>
<p>I know my posts are long so let me break it down for you. I still think moveon is scummy despite their contribution to the USO. I still think the USO is good despite their acceptance of said contribution. I am not concerned about the USO being “exploited.” I think that anyone that pulls donations from the USO because of this is bad (or lacks understanding). I truly think there’s a way to use this to turn the tables on moveon.</p>
<p>And one more thing, do not ever imply that I’m a troll again, Sir.</p>
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		<title>By: ArmoredCAV</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208748</link>
		<dc:creator>ArmoredCAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RetFireman
I have more than a desire to call home.  I am also not blind, have no respect for their message or policies.  I do appreciate any money that the USO gets, regardless of the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RetFireman<br />
I have more than a desire to call home.  I am also not blind, have no respect for their message or policies.  I do appreciate any money that the USO gets, regardless of the source.</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208714</link>
		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finished it elsewhere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finished it elsewhere</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208706</link>
		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corkie, if you are so easily swayed by such a transparent and menial act, that was being done on the very day, December 20th, 2007, that they were strong-arming the Democrats in Congress to cut the funding of our troops, then you are no Conservative and no supporter of the Military.

While I honor and respect AC and his desire to call home, I truly cannot understand how you cannot see this for what it truly is.  I cannot see how you can let something like this act as forgiveness for everything they have done and continue to do.

Go to their site right now, and you tell me just how much has changed since their great &quot;Coming to Jesus&quot; and their great Reconcilliation.

NOBODY can be this blind.  Nobody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corkie, if you are so easily swayed by such a transparent and menial act, that was being done on the very day, December 20th, 2007, that they were strong-arming the Democrats in Congress to cut the funding of our troops, then you are no Conservative and no supporter of the Military.</p>
<p>While I honor and respect AC and his desire to call home, I truly cannot understand how you cannot see this for what it truly is.  I cannot see how you can let something like this act as forgiveness for everything they have done and continue to do.</p>
<p>Go to their site right now, and you tell me just how much has changed since their great &#8220;Coming to Jesus&#8221; and their great Reconcilliation.</p>
<p>NOBODY can be this blind.  Nobody.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208517</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the USO was off its rocker to accept this sort of deal from MoveOn.org.  I can&#039;t imagine that the USO is so desperate for money that would risk offending a large portion of their regular donors for the political views of MoveOn.  Yes, the soldiers benefit, and $350,000 will buy a lot of phone calls, which is good.  

As David Segal (#14) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This will hurt the USO. Those not affiliated with MoveOn, aka those most inclined to contribute on a regular basis to the USO, will think twice before sending any cash their way in the future.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the donors are probably not the ideologues with whom we disagree, but are basically unthinking or distracted people who want to do good things.

For my part, I shall think hard before contributing to the national USO (although the local folks--like those at the airports--will continue to get support from me, especially as I have sought refuge in their areas in a number of airports over the years).

When all this is sorted out, the scorecard will probably show good for the servicemen; mixed for MoveOn.org (I&#039;ll bet some of their supports and leaders had kittens over this idea), and somewhat negative for the USO unless the president leaves office.  There is a difference between being non-political and getting support from a groups whose leaders essentially mean everything you stand for ill.

BTW, in a previous post around Christmas, Shooter suggested that we Malkin commenters should donate as a group to some useful cause.  I suggested the USO.  I withdraw that suggestion, with a heavy heart as I have long liked the USO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the USO was off its rocker to accept this sort of deal from MoveOn.org.  I can&#8217;t imagine that the USO is so desperate for money that would risk offending a large portion of their regular donors for the political views of MoveOn.  Yes, the soldiers benefit, and $350,000 will buy a lot of phone calls, which is good.  </p>
<p>As David Segal (#14) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>This will hurt the USO. Those not affiliated with MoveOn, aka those most inclined to contribute on a regular basis to the USO, will think twice before sending any cash their way in the future.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the donors are probably not the ideologues with whom we disagree, but are basically unthinking or distracted people who want to do good things.</p>
<p>For my part, I shall think hard before contributing to the national USO (although the local folks&#8211;like those at the airports&#8211;will continue to get support from me, especially as I have sought refuge in their areas in a number of airports over the years).</p>
<p>When all this is sorted out, the scorecard will probably show good for the servicemen; mixed for MoveOn.org (I&#8217;ll bet some of their supports and leaders had kittens over this idea), and somewhat negative for the USO unless the president leaves office.  There is a difference between being non-political and getting support from a groups whose leaders essentially mean everything you stand for ill.</p>
<p>BTW, in a previous post around Christmas, Shooter suggested that we Malkin commenters should donate as a group to some useful cause.  I suggested the USO.  I withdraw that suggestion, with a heavy heart as I have long liked the USO.</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208428</link>
		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They are the ones who value political gain over what’s best for our troops and our country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know, navywife91. I clearly stated so in my post. I just want to be sure that &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; ones that do.


&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that some of the statements made by their supporters are more likely to decrease morale.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, yes, yes...they have done many bad things and have emboldened our enemies. I said so in my post. Are they forever our enemy now? If they reject the olive branch, then fine - so be it. However, I still think it can be offered, and we won&#039;t look bad for offering it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They are the ones who value political gain over what’s best for our troops and our country.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know, navywife91. I clearly stated so in my post. I just want to be sure that <em>they</em> are the <em>only</em> ones that do.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that some of the statements made by their supporters are more likely to decrease morale.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, yes, yes&#8230;they have done many bad things and have emboldened our enemies. I said so in my post. Are they forever our enemy now? If they reject the olive branch, then fine &#8211; so be it. However, I still think it can be offered, and we won&#8217;t look bad for offering it.</p>
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		<title>By: navywife91</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208395</link>
		<dc:creator>navywife91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corkie,
I have no intention of offering any olive branch to the likes of MO.  Besides the General &quot;Betray us&quot; ad they are pressuring their dems to cut funding to the troops if they can&#039;t get their way (see #63)and have been for quite a while.  I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve ever had the chance to listen to some of their members/celebrities speak at one of their events.  It&#039;s very enlightening as to the type of people they are.  &lt;em&gt;They&lt;/em&gt; are the ones who value political gain over what&#039;s best for our troops and our country. Otherwise, I think MO would have encouraged these members to make private donations instead of tooting their own horns. I think that some of the statements made by their supporters are more likely to decrease morale. If the troops, like &lt;em&gt;armoredcav&lt;/em&gt;, don&#039;t mind the cards, than neither should we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corkie,<br />
I have no intention of offering any olive branch to the likes of MO.  Besides the General &#8220;Betray us&#8221; ad they are pressuring their dems to cut funding to the troops if they can&#8217;t get their way (see #63)and have been for quite a while.  I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever had the chance to listen to some of their members/celebrities speak at one of their events.  It&#8217;s very enlightening as to the type of people they are.  <em>They</em> are the ones who value political gain over what&#8217;s best for our troops and our country. Otherwise, I think MO would have encouraged these members to make private donations instead of tooting their own horns. I think that some of the statements made by their supporters are more likely to decrease morale. If the troops, like <em>armoredcav</em>, don&#8217;t mind the cards, than neither should we.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Plain Bill</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208328</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Plain Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ArmoredCav #58.

Right on, Brother.  It really doesn&#039;t matter who gives the $ for the cards, it matters that the troops get to talk to their loved ones.

JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ArmoredCav #58.</p>
<p>Right on, Brother.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter who gives the $ for the cards, it matters that the troops get to talk to their loved ones.</p>
<p>JP</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208316</link>
		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, just a few weeks later, these same dirt-bags, these samr defeatist, traitorous, seditious jerks who wanted the Dems to cut the soldiers off, want everyone to believe they support them, love them and only want what is best for them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what they want everyone to believe.

But I&#039;ll tell you this, if it helps build up troop morale and helps us show a united front, then I don&#039;t see any harm OTHER than political. Political harm is secondary to me. National objectives are primary, and I don&#039;t see any downside for our nation from these calling cards.

Maybe conservatives can praise moveon and begin claiming that they have now “switched sides” and supports our troops. This would force moveon to allow that perception to stick by accepting the credit from conservatives (which would be devastating to our enemies) or they would have to clearly correct the mischaracterization of switching sides. 

Such a correction would give you what you’re looking for, Retfireman, since the public would perceive a correction as a confirmation that they really don’t support the troops. The best thing they could do in such a situation would be to claim that they’ve always supported the troops. But even that message would be great to hear from them.

Am I the only person that sees potential gain to our country and to Republicans by offering the olive branch to liberals now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now, just a few weeks later, these same dirt-bags, these samr defeatist, traitorous, seditious jerks who wanted the Dems to cut the soldiers off, want everyone to believe they support them, love them and only want what is best for them?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what they want everyone to believe.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll tell you this, if it helps build up troop morale and helps us show a united front, then I don&#8217;t see any harm OTHER than political. Political harm is secondary to me. National objectives are primary, and I don&#8217;t see any downside for our nation from these calling cards.</p>
<p>Maybe conservatives can praise moveon and begin claiming that they have now “switched sides” and supports our troops. This would force moveon to allow that perception to stick by accepting the credit from conservatives (which would be devastating to our enemies) or they would have to clearly correct the mischaracterization of switching sides. </p>
<p>Such a correction would give you what you’re looking for, Retfireman, since the public would perceive a correction as a confirmation that they really don’t support the troops. The best thing they could do in such a situation would be to claim that they’ve always supported the troops. But even that message would be great to hear from them.</p>
<p>Am I the only person that sees potential gain to our country and to Republicans by offering the olive branch to liberals now?</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208270</link>
		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry AC, didn&#039;t see your post and didn&#039;t mean to put words in your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry AC, didn&#8217;t see your post and didn&#8217;t mean to put words in your mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208249</link>
		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just over three weeks ago, Moveon was calling for thr Democrats in Congress to cut funding of the troops in Iraq, to leave them high and dry...no ammo, no body armor, no reinforcements, no food, no noyhing, until everything ran out and we were forced to declare defeat to the enemy and retreat, pulling out of Iraq completely.  They even went so fr as to call for a fillibuster.  

Ir was reported right here a short 24 days ago, but the trolls from Trollville woulg have everyone forget that, and thik only of rainbows and lollipops:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/10/moveon-pressures-dems-to-block-military-funding/

Now, just a few weeks later, these same dirt-bags, these samr defeatist, traitorous, seditious jerks who wanted the Dems to cut the soldiers off, want everyone to believe they support them, love them and only want what is best for them?

Are you freaking KIDDING ME?

What were they going to tell their families when they called?  To make sure to vote every one of those Democrat Liberal bastards out as soon as possible before the people who gave them these cards get them all killed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just over three weeks ago, Moveon was calling for thr Democrats in Congress to cut funding of the troops in Iraq, to leave them high and dry&#8230;no ammo, no body armor, no reinforcements, no food, no noyhing, until everything ran out and we were forced to declare defeat to the enemy and retreat, pulling out of Iraq completely.  They even went so fr as to call for a fillibuster.  </p>
<p>Ir was reported right here a short 24 days ago, but the trolls from Trollville woulg have everyone forget that, and thik only of rainbows and lollipops:<br />
<a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/10/moveon-pressures-dems-to-block-military-funding/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/10/moveon-pressures-dems-to-block-military-funding/</a></p>
<p>Now, just a few weeks later, these same dirt-bags, these samr defeatist, traitorous, seditious jerks who wanted the Dems to cut the soldiers off, want everyone to believe they support them, love them and only want what is best for them?</p>
<p>Are you freaking KIDDING ME?</p>
<p>What were they going to tell their families when they called?  To make sure to vote every one of those Democrat Liberal bastards out as soon as possible before the people who gave them these cards get them all killed?</p>
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		<title>By: TXRose</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208236</link>
		<dc:creator>TXRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>armoredCAV...I hope that my donation bought your phone card.  You just made
me rethink donating to the USO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>armoredCAV&#8230;I hope that my donation bought your phone card.  You just made<br />
me rethink donating to the USO.</p>
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		<title>By: mojo</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/uso-directors-object-to-moveons-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-208212</link>
		<dc:creator>mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeeze louise - take the money. It&#039;s just as green as anybody else&#039;s. And at least MoveOn won&#039;t have it to play with anymore.

Plus-plus, in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeeze louise &#8211; take the money. It&#8217;s just as green as anybody else&#8217;s. And at least MoveOn won&#8217;t have it to play with anymore.</p>
<p>Plus-plus, in my book.</p>
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