Honor killings in Dallas? Muslim father sought in murders of young daughters
In the wake of the honor killing of Aqsa Parvez, the murders in Dallas of teenagers Amina and Sarah Said have the blogosphere buzzing. Their Egyptian Muslim fugitive father is wanted for capital murder. Bryan’s been tracking here and here. Atlas Shrugs has extensive coverage. Caleb Easterwood points out a chilling detail:
The girls were well-liked and made good grades at Lewisville High School. Their father was strict and rarely let them spend time with friends. When Sarah, 17, recently met a boy at her job, she told a friend that her father would kill her if he found out.
Friends are now rethinking the way they understood that turn of phrase.
The national media, consumed with campaign coverage, hasn’t said much about the case (the Washington Times is an exception)–though, as Phyllis Chesler points out, “the hardcopy edition of the New York Times carried a story about a presumably non-Muslim honor killing in Chicago, in which a father, Subhash Chander, killed his pregnant daughter, son-in-law and 3 year-old grandson “because he disapproved of his daughter’s marriage” to a lower-caste man.”
Debbie Schlussel shares an exchange with a local reporter.
Local NBC5 has interviews with the murdered girls’ boyfriends.
Related video: Robert Spencer asks, “Why is the left silent about “honor killings?”
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Categories: Sharia
How could you kill your own children?! What is wrong with these people who commit these hate crimes?
Sick doesn’t even begin to describe them.
I think what some the MSM is missing is that if these fanatics can kill their own daughters then they are willing to do anything at all to further their own sham religion.
They should be named DISHONOR killings.
navywife-
Don’t waste your brain cells trying to understand this idiocy. The sad thing is that these honor killings are justified in “koran” and that is why the msm won’t touch it for fear of being labeled a racist.
What we are seeing here regarding muslim behavior is what we can expect to see on a large scale if sharia law is implemented. I have seen enough of this peaceful religion firsthand to know the truth, and know that in the end-Yeshua is more than capable of defeating a moongod.
GSP
Dhimitude or Freedom? Your Choice!
Where is NOW?
Where are the feminists?
The silence is deafening.
…crickets chirping…
It was just a teenager issue
I wondered whether or not this was an honor killing when I read the story yesterday - know I know.
Simple. They believe in cultural equality. That all cultures - no matter how backward, primitive, or violent - are just as good as other cultures. Or, they’ll take a page from the Rosie O’Donnell religious playbook and say one culture/religion (America/Christianity) is worse.
As I type this, it’s 10:35 am CST. I wonder how long it will be before someone on the left says “This is bad, but Christians would do the same thing…blah, blah, blah…”.
We need to put a stop to this. How soon will it be before some Muslim kills an unrelated woman because she offended his “honor”? And will the left turn a blind eye to that as well?
My Lord. May they rest in peace.
And the Left’s silence is deafening… Their beloved religion of peace is anything but peaceful. For the Left to speak out against Islam, Muslims, whatever, would be to trample on their utopian view of how life should be.
Live and let live. That’s how they live, so who are we to judge. They decry about how Christianity is just as bad as Islam yet I have yet to hear anyone of them say anything negative about Islam.
Honor killing is a punishment for the women who act not according to the religion, tradition and culture imposed on them. To be more precise it is a punishment for the ones who desire to run their own lifestyle and choose their own partner. The victims are women and young girls who have thirst to be free and are not willing to compromise for less than a modern and humane life style.”
And why should they? There is nothing just, right or honorable about this at all.
People should pay attention to what Robert Spencer says.
Radical Christianity is still as bad as radical Islam?
We are Christians and I can say that in all honesty, our girls survived all of the odds that were stacked against them because I would have killed any perp that harmed them. I think all of their boyfriends knew it too!
So, terrorism in still in our country. Now what do we do? Elect a POTUS that is a wuss when it comes to terror or, worse yet, one who thinks there is no GWOT (R. Paul).
The only thing R. Paul could do that would be beneficial is beam up all the terrorists and illegals before he leaves our solar system and take them with him …
Exactly what I was thinking. Of course, it is no surprise. feminists have never been for the rights of ALL women. One of the most hypocritical groups around.
Now for the good news. It was a calm Bonne année in France as only 372 cars were torched by “vandals.”
But were the vandals youths?
NOW is afraid to speak out against Islam. They are just wussies against real sexism and oppression. Yet, they have bigtime problems with pro-life Christians,Christian male leadership in Christian families and the Christian God being a He. They know that Christians won’t kill them.
As absurbly distorted the “separation of church and state” have become, I wonder, when he goes on trial, if he use that as a defense. I imagine the ACLU will come running. The reason the story isn’t on tv news, that I’ve heard, is because they’re out chasing candidates and drunk movie stars.
Sick Evil Cult. Enough!
Remember this country protects Freedom of Religion even though that has evolved in recent years to Freedom from Christianity. Having said that, certain religious practices that are beyond the general scope of our laws and decency (such as sacrifice) fortunately are not permitted in the country despite legal challenges.
This story is the perfect example of Islam being nothing more than a barbaric sickness. The PC control over the media prohibits any derogatory language being used covering this tragic story. However, the day will come when the general population finally wakes up to the culture that wants to take control of us. Just wait and see what happens when the young son of some prominent liberal mouthpiece is murdered for improper contact with a Muslim teenager. Maybe then the left will come to grips with the danger we face. Islam is vial, sick, and cannot be allowed to expand in this or any civilized country!
My first thought on seeing this news yesterday was it was another honor killing and unfortunately I was right. We have been talking about this in my workplace today and the one conclusion many of us have come to is Islam can not coexist within a Democracy and especially in our Republic. I can’t imagine the twisted point of view from the followers of this death cult that would make them believe the killing of your daughters was justified. Why the hell are the feminist and their rabid male hating organizations silent on the oppression and violent crimes against women perpetrated by these medieval savages?
Maybe they can name him Texan of the Year for 2008.
Blowing yourself up or killing your children? When seething religious-born edicts compels one to such extremes, why do we allow it to infect our soil?
This is why I tend not to preview. Just sat here and typed a brilliant LOL piece,
and lost it while trying to make a correction.
When I first heard this on the local Fox News yesterday evening, it was termed an
honor killing. Then, in the next half hour, political correctness or whatever had set
in and it was no longer being called an honor killing. I don’t know what it will be
called today. Then, there was a strange interview with the leader of a local Mosque,
who was standing, with his back almost completely turned to the camera, looking at
the Mosque and saying that it is not permissible to take the law into one’s own hands. (Naughty, naughty hands, slap, slap on the wrist).
I just finished reading Phyllis Chesler’s piece on her blog and pajamasmedia. In it
she was talking about how few MSM outlets report on and are reporting on these
killings. She discussed the teenagers and how their friends felt about them and
that as they were coming into their own sexually, perhaps the father had begun
to desire them ( remember, in his society, they are property but not in the West)
and if he could not have them, no man could have them. Apparently they were
dating boys who were not Muslim and he felt he had lost control of them and that
this shamed the family. Sounds like a personal problem to me and not one to be
visited on the daughters. At least, their Mother did not aid and abet their father,
but pointed the police at him. (Chesler also noted that in the middle east, taxi
drivers, often aid in honor killings and this is his occupation { the girls were
found in his taxi..one had called 911}).
Also, in Chicago, an East Indian killed his daughter, son in law and grandchild
because he was angry at her for marrying a man of a lower caste. I do not know
if that would be an honor killing. ( It turns my stomach to write honor and killing
together).
It will be interesting to see how the MSM outlets handle this in the coming days, or if they will report on it at all.
The Muslim females must wear the head covering by age 17, or bring dishonor to the family, and the Mosque they attend.
The Muslims do not want to be American, nor do the illegal aliens. That is why the State Department, and Homeland Insecurity allows them into this once great nation. To destroy the culture, and bring about a New World Order. Just ask POTUS. Just like Europe.
Another example of moon god worship.
Where are the feminists on female genital mutilation?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=505796&in_page_id=1879
ACLU will probably argue for him to be tried under Shari’a law.
Truth is, we don’t know that this actually WAS an “honor killing” (or, as someone pointed out, more appropriately termed a “dishonor killing”.)
This story is sad, no matter what the motive was. We hear it seems every day about a parent killing their children. I don’t think this story is any more horrific because it is tied to someone’s twisted mo-fo religion. Andrea Yates alleged that God told her to kill her children, too. We didn’t get all up in arms. Sick, twisted, psychopaths are sick, twisted psychopaths, no matter which god they worship.
You won’t find a single feminist who won’t condemn “honor killings” or forced female genital mutilation. Just because NOW and other groups focus on other issues doesn’t mean that they don’t care.
Vicki, the difference between Andrea Yates and “honor killings” is that Yates was extremely mentally ill. Unfortunately, you don’t have to be mentally ill to harm your children. Extremist Muslims that practice this sort of thing aren’t crazy in the traditional sense. Their religion teaches them that this can be the right thing to do. And that is a huge problem.
Of course, that’s assuming that this was an “honor killing” fueled by religious fervor and not just some crazy dude who didn’t want his daughter to date and happened to be Muslim. All the facts aren’t in and yada, yada, yads.
Vickisoup, we did get up in arms about Andrea Yates in this house. I
believe and will always believe that if you call the police and tell them
you have done wrong, or, as in other cases, you try to hide the crime,
thus showing that you know it was wrong, that you cannot come in later
and claim that God told you it was okay or that you are insane and don’t
know right from wrong.
The thing with these killings among Muslims is that they claim to do this
in the name of Allah thus making it right. We cannot have this in our
country because, besides being an obscenity, it also opens the door to
a brand new defense by defense attorneys for dozens of different types killings.
Besides which, if he is so certain that he is in the right, why is he running? If Allah approves then Allah will certainly see that he is
vindicated by our court system. Obviously he doesn’t believe that what he did was right in either Allah’s eyes or the eyes of the law of
the U.S.
vickisoup:
I agree with you. A Christian mother who kills her children because “God told her to” is not a Christian and not acting on Christian principles.
It is the fact that - by and large - this same thing takes place throughout the world on a daily basis in alarming numbers. Primarily in Muslim countries and directed toward girls and young women who don’t toe the line of shari’a law (which, a brief study will show, is inconsistent at best), but it is creeping into western societies as well. It is considered the “norm” and the men who engage in such behavior are often not punished, or if they are, they receive honor from their relatives and communities and a martyr status for being jailed. It is pervasive throughout Islam.
It is *not* a pervasive mentality in Christianity. To compare the two - as lefties do - is like comparing apples and brillo pads.
There is also a vast difference in the reactions to such murder. Christians react with disgust and horror, and support appropriate consequences. In Islam, honor killings are - as I said above - a badge that men proudly wear for keeping women (even their daughters) in their place.
I agree 100% Boomer.
We are on a course for another World War and this one will be ugly. It will not be country against country but humans against Islam. There will be enormous casualities (most likely nukes will be involved) but the only outcome acceptable is complete and total eradication of this religion/cult.
Point well taken, Rusty. And thanks for acknowledging mine, too, that being that we don’t yet know what fueled this rat b***ard to kill his daughters. Since I’m opposed to “hate crimes” legislation, and while I share outrage at the extremist undertakings that fuel dishonor killings, I meant to share my thought that the loss is not greater to those left behind, and the punishment should not be enhanced, just because of a twisted motive.
“Just because NOW and other groups focus on other issues doesn’t mean that they don’t care.”
Of course!
What were we thinking?
As Ben Stein might say….”Riiigghhht.”
Rusty, you’re such an apologist.
When that crazy woman who killed her kids in TX, Andrea Yates, was arrested, you’ll find that NOW put up press releases IMMEDIATELY. They claimed how much of a champion of PPD they were…although you couldn’t find a reference on it prior to Yates from NOW.
And I like your word play. Honor killing in quotes…typical.
Vickisoup, I agree that sick and twisted people are everywhere and no one religion is immune; however, Islam dictates and calls for these actions. Any form is dishonoring Islam is unacceptable and punishable by death. Please point me in the direction of any other religion that requests this of their worshippers.
It is true that death, murder and mayhem come in many forms but I beg to differ with your statement about no one getting “up in arms about Andrea Yates and the murder of her children by her own hands.” I don’t think the punishment for her was harsh enough.
I’ll let what Robert Spencer had to say on the matter sum up the rest of my feelings…plus more of the hunt for the father.
To englishqueen01, who writes,
I am not comparing them, except to point out that non-Muslim parents kill their children, too. The outrage and grief that attends these killings should be equal. It’s always wrong; it’s always tragic; it’s always worthy of condemnation by others.
We do not know the facts here, beyond that a father killed his children. That alone is horrific. And we don’t know that he was driven by adherence to Shari’a law. He could be as loony as Andrea Yates, for all we know.
Because they are committed by neither Christians nor Conservatives.
Islam is a cult that glories in death, deceit and conquest - women are only necessary to create more males. When will the world understand that these barbarians are dangerous not misunderstood - our choice is to be civilized or return to the barbarism of the 7th century Arab.
Well, I don’t mind that Yates was acquitted. She’ll spend the rest of her life in custody. And she obviously needs help. She is extremely mentally ill. It went beyond PPD. It was total psychosis.
And, “honor killing” in quotes bothers you? Why? There is no honor involved, so the scare quotes seem more than appropriate.
Who in the name of the Gods is (or isn’t) vetting these immigrants? How are these people even desirable as Americans? What values do we have in common? Diversity? Sheesh!
I have always believed that Andrea Yates husband and mother in law were complicit in her children’s deaths because they knew full well that
she was not to be left alone with those children and let her be alone with
them on the day they died. However, there is another type of child
murder going on in this country that seems to be getting no attention and that is for the most part going unpunished. That is, leaving children
in locked cars in the summertime. Got a child you want to get rid of?
Just put that child in a car seat, lock the car and leave it for a few hours
on a 90 or above day and then say, “I forgot.” We won’t punish you for
being absent minded.
This is so disgusting because, at least here in TX, one death like this,
unpunished, seems to immediately trigger a handful of others, and
those deaths, unpunished, trigger….well you get my drift.
…and what some people wouldn’t do to have children. Yet, these people just throw them away for good standing in the community, eyes of Allah or just because the kid was more of a burden than expected. Whatever, the reason for it - they must be punished. However, in the case of honor killings more has to be done to prevent more deaths of this nature from happening. Certainly, I don’t have the answer about how to get it done but I believe it starts here and now with a collectively effort of, putting faces on these people who commit these crimes and a well timed and choregraphed interview with someone from CAIR indicating that this is a teenager issue, simply will.not.do.
We know the truth about Islam and it makes no sense pretending otherwise.
Um, those parents would definitely be charged with manslaughter and child abandonment.
Not necessarily… There is a such thing as reckless conduct and while I think not being able to account for your children and they are later found to have been left in a sweltering vehicle for hours is reckless - the crime has to meet the definition of reckless conduct.
To 30pcs: I share your concern about the creep of Shari’a law into our culture, to be sure, particularly because of what we seem to be learning about the tenets of Islam.
Having said that, I am in favor of religious freedom for all, as a born-again Christian, and do not wish for any religious test to be an influence on criminal charges or criminal punishment (or civil punishment, for that matter), so this is why I tread carefully when applying religion to my outrage at this killing. It’s outrageous and tragic, no matter the motive.
On this we agree. However, I am not suggesting that an extra 30 years be given to someone who commits an honor killing on top of the 25 yrs to life sentence. What I am suggesting is that Islam or the offshoots from it that are responsible for jihad, honor killings, etc…be stamped out.
When these males that commit honor killings do so, why is it that the women
are all teenage or older? If they were to go on trial in this country, Islam would
not be a defense. Therefore they would more than likely try the insanity defense, and we would all have to ask, why they only go insane when their
daughters reach teenage or older. Why don’t they go insane when their sons
get to be that age? Why don’t their sons ever dishonor the family? Oh, silly me!
Sons carry on the family name and their poor wives take care of this old @#$%
when he is in his second infancy.
You watch. Just as shari’a is creeping in in New York in publishing law, it will
start getting into other courts in this country if the ACLU and leftist judges have any say and shari’a law is NASTY!
Me too.
Funny, you will NEVER hear anybody here say that about Rusty!
NOW is not involved because these girls were not of voting age and they belonged to a religion that does not support abortion.
#29 On January 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm, Ditkaca said:
“We have been talking about this in my workplace today and the one conclusion many of us have come to is Islam can not coexist within a Democracy and especially in our Republic
I agree 100% Boomer.
We are on a course for another World War and this one will be ugly. It will not be country against country but humans against Islam. There will be enormous casualities (most likely nukes will be involved) but the only outcome acceptable is complete and total eradication of this religion/cult.”
Right you are.
But Rusty - what you choose to talk about, IS what you think is important. Them choosing to focus on other things, indicates they think the other things are more important. Their not talking about these particular females as second class (or worse) shows that groups like NOW don’t care.
Of course as Ann Coulter (and others) have pointed out, there is only one issue which NOW cares about - killing babies. Maybe NOW thinks these girls were just a little older version of abortion and so it’s quite ok - not only ok - but desirable.
Of course that is how I understand this action - the man no longer wanted the kids so he killed them - but NOW should be against this as men aren’t supposed to ever have any say.
Strangest post I can remember reading. So what are they focusing on, the Masters tournament?
I haven’t heard any condemnation from Concerned Women for America. I wonder why.
Assuming it was an honor killing,what honor is there in running away and hiding from your actions,instead of owning up to them?Islam is a lie.
We all know that if NOW isn’t talking about these killings that they aren’t thinking
about them because what NOW talks about is what is important to them! That is so
naive to think that honor killings are on their agenda, but we just don’t hear about
them from this organization. The problem is, and NOW has admitted it, is, they
consider this to be a religious issue, not a feminist issue. As for female genital
mutilation, they consider that to be a culture issue, and they, apparently, do not get
involved in cultural issues.
Mookie, thank you. Great retort.
Incidentally, from their site, here are NOW’s “Top Six Priority Issues”
Please take special note of number 3. It applies here. NOW works to increase punishment for sexual and domestic abuse. You know, like this case here.
I understand why most of the people on this site don’t like NOW. Why would you? They’re fiercely pro-choice, pro-hate crime legislation and pro-ERA. But to argue that they don’t care about violence against women is preposterous.
“Activists” and libs are afraid to touch anything concerning Muslims.
I don’t agree with your #3. Apparently their definition of violence against women
doesn’t include Muslim honor killings and genital mutilation by different cultures
from the continent of Africa. It’s easy to put Stopping Violence Against Women out
there and then picking and choosing what the violence is that you want to stop.
I guess if the girls had tried to get abortions and been prevented from doing so by
Daddy before he killed them, then they would qualify for NOW’s indignation..same
for a girl that has an unskilled person butcher her to keep her from ever enjoying
sex. Your statement that they don’t care about violence to women is just way too
broad. They pick and choose.
Correction..that they DO care about violence to women
is just way too broad.
NOW press release condemning honor killings, genital mutation
Unfortunately, I think you’re right.
And, Mookie, thanks for doing all the dirty work for me.
mutation=mutilation
Seems like everybody agrees that this is something that can’t be allowed to continue.
When we get to the point where we are afraid for our lives and our family’s lives if we speak out against these atrocities…then we’ve lost the battle
I read the press release, Mookie. Since they are supporting this legislation, I guess I can expect to hear from them once all the facts are in. After all, the case above can bolster their position.
Thanks for providing the link.
The reason that N.O.W. or any of the wackadoodle liberal feminist groups say nothing about this, is because they believe that Muslim honor killings are just very late-term abortions.
Skipped right over that press release, huh?
Thank you for the link, mookie, but until I see a press release or hear or
see a press conference I will not believe this is anything more than lip
service. If these honor killings are allowed to go on, it will be only a matter
of time before they decide to start in on American women because they think
that they are being dishonorable. Islamists seem to think they can include
others under their umbrella of what is permitted by the Koran. Go to one
of the more “civilized” countries in the middle east, dress in what they
consider inappropriate clothes and see what happens.
Now, if NOW had spoken out when Aqsa was killed, I just might have more
respect for their organization.
It’s a resolution, not a bill. It may contain these various denunciations, but it doesn’t actually DO anything at all. I’d also be a little more convinced if they started addressing specific cases, like this and Aqsa Parvez. Let them start staging demonstrations waving “STOP FGM” or “STOP HONOR KILLINGS” signs and then I might actually think they’re on the correct side of an issue for a change.
Um, you just saw a press release?
When Bill Clinton was accused of sexual harrassment, N.O.W. released a statement saying if the accusations were true, it would be disturbing.
When Anita Hill had accused Clarence Thomas of the same, N.O.W. released a statment frothing at the mouth that Justice Thomas should not get the seat on the Supreme Court.
So I’m supposed to believe that N.O.W. really cares about anything? I applaud them for taking a stand, but if N.O.W. could find a way to blame republicans for honor killings and female genital mutilation, they’d do it in a heartbeat.
True. But what would you suggest? Honor killings in America are already prosecuted as murders (unlike some Islamic countries that turn a blind eye). And a bill to prevent Muslims from legally immigrating will never happen for a slew of reasons.
Resolutions are weaksauce, but where would you change the law as it stands?
Rusty, I believe the “press release” TXrose is speaking of is one regarding the case of the Said girls or Aqsa Parvez specifically, not the linked press release from October. I too would like to hear them address specific incidences.
Thank you Navywife. We have heard nothing from them on these killings.
All we have heard of is a general disclaimer in Oct. That is not support.
All that is is feathering a political nest.
Everyone is awfully quiet about Concerned Women for America…
There is No Honor in Murder.
Period.
Come to Our Country, Observe Our Rules or Be Prosectuted under Our Laws!
Period!
That’s nutty. That’s like condemning Concerned Women for America for not condemning each individual abortion or Focus on the Family not taking the time to condemn each and every gay marriage or civil union.
Rusty, we are talking specifically, about two honor killings of three
young women. That cannot be compared with the thousands and
thousands of abortions that have been and obviously will be done
in this country. We have not heard one peep from NOW and I am
certain, we will not hear from them because it will not further their
agenda.
And we haven’t heard a peep from Concerned Women for America because it will not further their agenda of convincing the country that gays are evil.
I looked CWfA up on their website and I didn’t see anything about these particular slayings, but there were links to stories involving these types of murders. However, since they believe in the sanctity of all life, I think I can make an educated guess about how they feel about honor killings.
I read through some of the NOW’s press releases and it was a little scary. Maybe back in 1966 when they formed, their organization was more pure. Now all I see is political motivation way left of center. They do not represent the views of the majority of women anymore.
The links to the December story about Muslim Honor Killings all come up blank. It’s as if the article never existed.
I have to plead ignorance here, but I missed the “gays are evil” banner on their website, Mookie. Obviously they believe in the marriage between a man and a woman, but I’m not here to defend them.
Well, I think if you go to Human Events, you’ll probably find the articles they linked to originally. I have no idea how long they keep articles archived.
Take a good look around that website. At least 70% of their agenda is focused on homosexuals.
so, does that mean they think gays are evil? I think that’s a bit of a stretch, don’t you?
Have you ever listened to Sandy Rios speak?
Amina’s Myspace page
Absolutely heartbreaking.
I keep thinking about their poor mother. I can’t begin to imagine the agony she’s in.
All:
Advocates (one could say acolytes) of the secular humanist, nontraditional worldview seem to have succeeded at doing to this thread what they succeed at so very, very often; and at what they attempt to do in virtually every instance: actively changing the subject, or pouncing upon an opportunity to do so.
Not to be forgotten is their other favorite tactic of essentially yelling, “So’s your old man!”…in other words, accusing their debate opponent of bad behavior, in an attempt to excuse, or deflect criticsm from, their, or their associates’, bad behavior.
I thought the spirit of this thread was whether our nation, society, and culture was going to permit sharia creep; or rise and once and for all eliminate - not contain, but eliminate - the threat posed by Muslim jihadists.
Yes, I have seen her on occassion on TV. You’re good at providing links, so where did she state gays are evil?
I don’t want this to stray from the subject at hand so google Sandy Rios comments on homosexuality/gays.
BTW, I tried to look at her Myspace page, but it must be locked up now. I wonder too how their mother is doing. As the mother of 2 daughters, I couldn’t imagine being married to someone capable of killing his own children.
I didn’t lead this thread in this direction Mookie. I was simply answering your question regarding CWfA. I will google her myself because I’d honestly like to know if she has said those things or if you’re just attributing those words to her. I agree the focus needs to be on those girls and not NOW or CWfA.
Pro choice for Who, certainly not the victim. Hate crime, domestic violence are you kidding me. This was neither, and shows that you are stuck in some reality warp. This was muslim terrorism at the household level. Too bad you are stuck in your own polital correctness trap.
No, no, I wasn’t saying that you were. I saw Granite’s comment and he’s right about the subject being changed.
When I was in high school, one of my friends was killed by her mother. I couldn’t even begin to make sense of it then and almost twenty years later, I still can’t begin to make sense of it. I don’t know how you could look at the faces of your flesh and blood and pull the trigger. These poor girls died for absolutely nothing. Nothing.
I just did, and this statement cannot be supported by viewing their website. For instance, the headlines number around 35, and 4 references are about homosexuality.
Mookie, I’m sorry that you seem to have bought into the lie that CWFA’s work revolves around gays. While for some individuals, that may be true, but I respectfully recommend you take another look.
I am sorry to hear that Mookie. Those are memories you never forget, especially when you’re young. I’m sure it didn’t make sense then nor does it now.
Thanks. Her mother was originally found guilty of first degree murder, then it was reduced to second degree by insanity. The idea that she will someday get to walk the streets again sickens me. Thankfully, I don’t see that happening with this bastard in Texas.
Has CAIR had anything to say about this?
Haven’t seen anything on their website or anywhere for that matter. I would hope they condemn the murders, but I’m sure they’ll qualify their answers somehow. When all the facts are known we’ll see where they stand.
Thank you Mookie. I looked at Amina’s site. What really hurt was the I don’t
want to become a memory. And now they are. At least this mother didn’t
help hold them down while he or another male relative killed them. There has
to be a special ring in hell for people that kill their children regardless of the
reason. I know that I sound judgemental but at this point I am furious. All
they did wrong was want to be like their peers and that made the mistake of
dating outside of their religion.
Wow. This happened close to home.
Interesting about where they found the girls in the father’s cab - about 20 miles from their home in Lewisville.
It really takes a special kind of evil for a man to take the lives of his children. And it is an evil that is condoned by Islam. Makes you wonder how anyone can consider Islam to be a religion.
And what the hell did this bastard expect? That these girls would live lives of solitude, never interacting with their peers? That’s such an unreasonable expectation of young people. If he wanted that much control over his daughters, he should have stayed in Egypt.
I wonder what’s going through the minds of their Muslim friends right now and if they’re wondering if they could be next.
I have yet to talk to any of my Muslim friends about this because if I get a wimpy
answer I may not give a wimpy response. I agree that if they want their daughters
to be proper Muslim females, they should stay where the temptations are a lot
less. I was at a middle eastern wedding and the men were all having a high old
time while the women sat there like bumps on a log. When I asked (this was
before I knew the ropes) why they weren’t dancing, I practically got pulled under
the table and hidden from the men because they were afraid they would get in
trouble for asking me to the wedding in the first place. Seems not knowing the
rules is also a very, very, very large no-no.
I do know one thing. It is never the man’s fault in Muslim society. If he feels lust for a woman…she caused it. If he is shamed before society….a female
caused it. Always the woman’s fault. Stupid men can’t even see a woman’s shoulder in a sleeveless blouse without those nasty little impure thoughts.
Naughty women!!
Just watched my local news and they mentioned the murdering of the Said girls. I almost laughed when he said “there was no known motive.”
Ha!
What channel were you watching navywife? Here, they’ve quit saying honor killing but
keep talking about the fact that they want to be like their peers and date outside of
their religion.
I’m in North FL and it’s not an affiliate, just local news. They didn’t even call it an honor killing. They simply said a father was being sought for the murder of his daughters in Texas. That pretty much summed it up. I can’t even find any links on their website.
Hi Rusty, Where in the bible did Jesus instruct His followers to kill their own children because of some sin? I think someday and not too soon that some advocates will promote post birth abortion. These muslim killings seems to be the beginning of legal post birth abortions. NOW and Amnesty seem to go along with such matters.
What a bunch sick ba$tard$…chicken $hit$ hide behind their masks and don’t even know where a table clothe belongs…welcome to the 6th century.
Check the local Mosque.
where is CAIR?
The girls had tried to tell several authority figures that they were afraid of their
father and they and the mother had left their father, but returned last week. He
probably promised to change. If you remember, Aqsa came back because her
parents said they could not sleep with her away from home and killed her when
she returned.
This seems to be the pattern. When they try to get away, they are lured back into
danger by their killers.
Where are shelters for these females?
TXRose,
Shelter is inside the Mosque.
Our Fox affliate and the son (not being called girls brother) keep saying it was
not religious, but that he killed them because they were dating outside their
religion. You can’t have it both ways. Outside their religion = religious. The
Mother is an American and therefore did not help him kill the girls as so many
middle eastern Mothers do.
Well.. I think that this is a sick and sad story. As a father with 2 daughters, I cannot imagine the mentality that anyone has to do such an act.
Now as to the piling on here and for those who state that “Islam is evil” “Islam cannot exist in a democracy” When Christians do a similar thing it is different” I say shame on you.
As a Catholic I have my beliefs and share these beliefs with my friends and family I also am open to the beliefs of my friends of Jewish, Hindu, Muslim and other faiths. While I may not share in their beliefs, I would fight for their right to practice in our country.
Extremism is present in all faiths and for some to say that our faith is better because we react to our extremism differently is hiding behind a crutch.
I say that we need to act righteous and speak out and fight against extremism of all faiths.
supersean,
As a person ignorant of the tenets and history of islam, it’s funny that you would cast shame on those who have taken the time to study this cult of death and warn others of the danger in appeasing it.
If you dig deeper, the killing in Chicago by the Hindu man wasn’t an honor killing. He made up that story at booking. The family is saying that everyone, including the father, was happy about the wedding. The father was an abusive drunk and exhorted money from the son-in-law and apparently set the apartment on fire in retaliation over some dispute. So get your facts straight before making claims as we demand the MSM do.
warden,
Labeling me as ignorant without knowing my background is what would meet the definition of ignorant.
If you are a scholar of history, you can reflect on those who have used the Christian and Catholic faiths to justify horrendous acts.
It is a fact that Islamic extremism is a growing threat and a threat that must be neutralized with force (not by Dr. Phil). But this extremism is a reflection of a minority of those who practice the faith of Islam.
supersean,
I’ve gone ahead and done some research for you. It wasn’t hard.
ig·no·rant –adjective
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
uninformed; unaware.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
I wasn’t labeling you. I was merely stating that your moral relativism shows your lack of understanding of the greatest threat of our time: Appeasement
I really hate to hear otherwise intelligent people say these like “most muslims are peaceful” and “it is a small minority of muslims that do these things.” That’s like saying “most Christians don’t really believe in Jesus”, or “it’s a small minority of Americans that would actually defend, unto death, their way of life.” None of those statements are true. When Muslims kill infidels, little old Muslim ladies dance in the streets in their Burkhas. Cab drivers and convenience store clerks smile and laugh and high-five when a terrorist blows up an infidel’s World Trade Center or passenger Airliner(s). Get with it. These
peopleanimals are the enemy. All of them. THey made themselves our enemy from the very inception of Islam, and their Koran clearly states that they must not stop fighting until the entire world has been subjugated. Period. Of course they lie and claim to be peaceful. They ARE peaceful (NOT), once you submit. Their beliefs are not compatible with freedom and capitalism. Period. And believe me, no matter how “peaceful” they are, when it comes time to choose sides, you know where they stand. Where do YOU stand?