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Rush Limbaugh weighs in: “Devastating, humiliating” night for Hillary

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 4, 2008 12:12 AM

Rush Limbaugh calls in to Fox News.

Huckabee won’t have the same base in New Hampshire. He’s not going to be critical of McCain. I think the Republican race is long, long to be decided.

Who’s his candidate? Haven’t picked one. I’m a rock-ribbed Republican conservative…Huckabee doesn’t have Reagan credentials. Few of the candidates do. This election is not going to be about Iraq or the war.

If Obama is the [Dem] nominee, it’ll be about issues…shaping up to be exciting. Elections ought to be about ideas. It will be clearly contrastable.

Laura Ingraham: Are we missing the boat on Huckabee? Sentiment is out there.

RL: I haven’t underestimated him at all. Angst? What is this angst? Pew poll came out that said 84 percent are satisfied with their lives…we’re not as nearly as desolate, destitute, as the Dems make us out to be. John Edwards makes us sound like destitute Louisiana in the 1920s.

Yes, Silky did sound like Huey Long, didn’t he?

Question: What if Huckabee calls to try and make up with you?

RL: It’s not going to happen…wouldn’t expect him to try and make peace.

Re. Hillary: This is a historic night in this country, folks. For the first time, a black candidate for president has won a presidential primary. A devastating and humiliating loss for Hillary…

Last word: “Democrats are hoping and praying that Huckabee is the nominee…”

***

Tom Tancredo on FNC. The biggest concern is McCain’s bump. “That’s scary.”

Shepherd Smith and Greta van Susteren are ganging up on Tancredo for characterizing McCain as scary.

None of the Fox people will let Tancredo explain himself. They cut him off.

As usual.

Tancredo: “I do not believe Huckabee has the staying power. He’s not a factor. The most worrisome factor is the McCain factor.”

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  1. #1
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 am, normsrevenge said:

    more fodder for the cannons..

    On to Wyoming! uhhh, NH!

  2. #2
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:24 am, Michael said:

    It’s rare that Rush agrees with Juan Williams, but Williams made that point about Obama’s win as well tonight on FOX.

    I’ll be interested to see if whether this result moves the needle among black Democrats toward Obama or if it has the reverse race card effect since Obama won a predominantly white state and black voters stay with Mrs. Bill Clinton.

    Michael Swartz
    http://www.monoblogue.us

  3. #3
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 am, Speakup said:

    Laura Ingraham: Are we missing the boat on Huckabee? Sentiment is out there.

    I love Laura, she is so on nearly all of the time but this opening is what gave Huckles the toe hold he needed to begin his proselytization of Iowans and determine the defeat of Conservatism in Iowa.

    Politicians and a Ministers sales talk go hand in glove.

  4. #4
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:35 am, yohannbiimu said:

    The Dems are right to hope that it’s Huckabee in November for the Republicans. He’s a disaster.

    I can’t imagine what people are thinking that MH is a viable candidate. The pardoning of murderers alone should make him a pariah. He believes in raising taxes. His record in regard to securing our borders and keeping our sovereignty is incredibly weak.

    I will not vote for this man. If he’s the Republican candidate, then it will be time for the GOP to go the way of the Whigs, because it doesn’t stand for anything anymore.

  5. #5
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:43 am, PHenry said:

    I believe Rush said ‘rock ribbed conservative’, not republican.

  6. #6
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:51 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    I saw/heard the Rush interview a bit ago and while I’m not always a big Rush fan, his analysis was dead-on.

    As for Huckabee, we have to remember that Iowa is his personal ideal wish-list state politically. I doubt he’s going to again see the kind of numbers he saw tonight. Rush doesn’t like him as a conservative, neither does Hannity, nor many other conservative commentators. I have a gut feeling that as this one becomes forgotten, the perception is that it will have been more about religion than national politics.

  7. #7
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:52 am, Jim M. said:

    Just watched the Shemp and Greta show. Not exactly the dynamic duo of political analysts. And more than a little rude to a US Congressman they presumably invited onto the show.

    Greta needs to stick to legal analysis, and Shemp, well, someone needs to hook him up with the scarecrow in the search for the ever elusive brain.

  8. #8
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:58 am, Nashoa said:

    I think Rush nailed it. Though I am starting to wonder if all the Huck people even understand or want conservatism in the Republican party. I swear some of them come of as Pro-Life Liberals.

  9. #9
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:08 am, Lincoln said:

    I consider myself an Evangelical and simply do not understand Huckabee’s appeal. He’s about as welcome a candidate to me as anchovies on my pizza.

  10. #10
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:14 am, Andy said:

    Huck is Jimmy Carter’s twin brother — different party, same libertine theology. Just a matter of time before Huck excommunicates himself from the Southern Baptists.

  11. #11
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:20 am, blacktygrrrr said:

    Andy,

    Huckleberry Hound is no conservative, but he is not an antisemite who shares an award with terrorist Yassir Arafat either.

    Huckabee is a good, decent man who is totally unqualified to be President, especially as a conservative.

    Carter is lacking as a human being.

    Besides, the Iowa people are about to be cast off quicker than a woman after midnight by an Arkansas Governor (not Huckabee).

    Respectfully,

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express

  12. #12
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:53 am, yohannbiimu said:

    I read a Mona Charin column yesterday where she has quotes from Huckabee that suggests that we need to talk with that lunatic who’s president of Iran, and that we can come to an understanding with these Muslim countries.

    What Mike (and every liberal on the face of the earth) doesn’t understand is that as an “infidel,” it doesn’t matter to them whether he talks with them or not. To them he is filth. He’s not simply one of the unwashed, he’s that which needs to be washed from something. In their eyes, he’s not worthy to breathe the same air and walk on the same ground as a Muslim.

    If Huckabee or any of the Democratic candidates win the presidency (and the Dems keep their majorities in Congress), then the Islamists will have their way with us, and our country will hop on board the same leaky raft as Europe. You can kiss “the land of the free and home of the brave” goodbye.

  13. #13
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:21 am, Alphonse said:

    There should be a provision in the Constitution for leaving the presidency open when there is such a murderer’s row of worthless candidates as we have today.

  14. #14
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:11 am, AlohaGuy said:

    leaving the presidency open when there is such a murderer’s row of worthless candidates as we have today.

    Duncan Hunter?

  15. #15
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:52 am, Radiopatriot said:

    Duncan Hunter. The dark horse?

    Andrea Shea King

  16. #16
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:15 am, DirkBelig said:

    #14 - Duncan Hunter got 1% of the vote. Game over. Deal with it.

    Laura Ingraham wonders what they’re missing about Huckleberry? Here’s what: Evangelicals proved themselves to be as intellectually vacant as the atheist Left had stereotyped them as being. Huck played the Jesus card and exploited anti-Mormon bigotry with a smile on his face and a trail of raped and murdered women behind him.

    As Ann Coulter pointed out, he supported lower tuition rates for invaders from Mexico than kids from Ohio; he pardoned murderers if he thought they’d found God; he shares Dubya’s mindless belief that Jesus wants invaders welcomed and given succor at the expense of the taxpayers. I’m sure they’re laughing their butts off over at the HuffPo. John Edwards’ bigoted bloggers called it right, as hard as it is to say.

    The American public has been so thoroughly poisoned by liberalism that they can’t bring themselves to face hard realities. Hussein and Huckleberry grabbed a third of the vote despite having fatally naive foreign policy views. Western civilization is about to be plunged into eternal darkness because the American voters are so unserious and so dispirited by the failure of Dubya and the utter abandonment of principles by the Stupid Party that they’re about to throw in with the “don’t worry, be happy” candidates.

    The Treason Media has successfully inculcated the meme that speaking about 9/11 and Islamofascism is nothing but fear-mongering and thus warning about the throat-cutters is a losing move. The only reason McCain gets a pass is because he is reliable liberal on the other issues that the Treason Media demands he be in exchange for favorable coverage.

  17. #17
    On January 4th, 2008 at 5:26 am, WORK949 said:

    None of the Fox people will let Tancredo explain himself. They cut him off.

    As usual.”

    You bet they cut off Tancredo. From the git-go he was the only one besides Duncan Hunter who had the foresight and courage to talk about 1) sealing the border and 2) the caliphate on the doorstep. Romney and Thompson jumped aboard later. I don’t trust either of them.

    So, the media never gave Tancredo or Hunter the time of day and they won’t ever give these men the time of day.

    Q: Who really shapes the outcome of our elections?

    A: Not the candidates or their positions, boys and girls. It’s the M-E-D-I-A.

    We get fed the information the media want us to have.

    I’m disappointed with Laura Ingraham. Her template has become very rigid. Shepherd Smith is another Geraldo Rivera type. I remember his hysteria during the Hurricane Katrina aftermath.

    And these are supposed to be our “conservative” journalists, giving us hard facts and elucidating interviews. What a sham this campaign coverage will become.

  18. #18
    On January 4th, 2008 at 5:28 am, Always Right said:

    Evangelicals proved themselves to be as intellectually vacant as the atheist Left had stereotyped them as being. Huck played the Jesus card and exploited anti-Mormon bigotry with a smile on his face and a trail of raped and murdered women behind him.

    Dirk, you may be a next gen Rush Limbaugh. I dont think I’ve read any analysis anywhere that “gets it” with more insight and in as few words. Bit of acid there too.

    Actually the ENTIRETY of paragraph three is a classic as well. “Poisoned by liberalism” “fatally naive” “unserious and dispirited” the “dont-worry-be-happy candidates”…

    maybe the best compliment I could give you is that Mark Steyn would be proud.

  19. #19
    On January 4th, 2008 at 5:31 am, Always Right said:

    I meant to put the first section above in QUOTES,not a strikethru. Sorry.

    Its twenty degrees out at 5:30 am and I just started my coffee, so forgive. But Dirk’s post was pure gold.

    As for Shepherd and Greta, I am not sure why either one has a gig on ANY cable network, much less Fox. They are true embarassments. Greta belongs back on Court TV and Shep belongs on PMS-NBC as Olberdork’s cabana boy.

  20. #20
    On January 4th, 2008 at 6:51 am, zorro said:

    Rush is right, this was a humiliating defeat for Hillary and not much has been decided with the Republicans.

    As for Shep and Greta… alwaysright summed it up pretty well.

  21. #21
    On January 4th, 2008 at 7:11 am, jcflindsay said:

    Regardless of who the Republican candidate is, disaster will come in the form of the Ross Perot candidate of 2008: Ron Paul. He will spoil enough votes to get the democrats in office. That said, I believe the Republicans will take back Congress.

  22. #22
    On January 4th, 2008 at 7:16 am, Radiojoe1470 said:

    No, you got it right the first time, Right.

    Mr. Huckabee’s religion is a door opener with Evangelicals, of course. But that’s all it is.

  23. #23
    On January 4th, 2008 at 7:33 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    The lame streamer’s love the word ‘Scary!’ It’s like their own version of the government’s 9/11 which they wield like a club to captivate viewers and readers.

  24. #24
    On January 4th, 2008 at 7:51 am, CharliePATpk said:

    Don’t sell off Sen. Thompson… as Mr. Limbaugh said, it’s going to be a long road….

  25. #25
    On January 4th, 2008 at 8:03 am, mattymatt10 said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 7:51 am, CharliePATpk said:
    Don’t sell off Sen. Thompson… as Mr. Limbaugh said, it’s going to be a long road….

    I hope you’re right, Charlie. I’m a FredHead Mormon. I’m probably supposed to support Romnizzle, but I don’t trust him.

  26. #26
    On January 4th, 2008 at 8:22 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    I’m getting tired of those emplying Christians are somehow not intelligent. Talk about haters. That’s nothing more than hate speech. I’d suggest it’s the so called intellectuals that have pushed that biased view and brought this country to a place where people believe in nothing. They are the same ones promoting disposing of our children, born and unborn, at their whims and have established a sexual barnyard mentality. No wonder murder and rape are rampant. Nobody cares or respects life anymore and why should they. They believe in nothing. I’m a Christian. If someone thinks that make me vacant of intelligence it says more about their attitude than it does about me.

  27. #27
    On January 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am, coffee said:

    #26 It’s not hate speech, please! It may be more appropriate however to say that Christians are voting with their hearts and and not their brains. Sorry, but I don’t think it was an attack on you personally. BTW, I’m a Christian.

  28. #28
    On January 4th, 2008 at 8:53 am, mlnicosia said:

    Iowans voted for a preacher - the rest of us will vote for a president.

  29. #29
    On January 4th, 2008 at 9:06 am, donnab13 said:

    Kudos to Dirk..well said.
    And to Sam…it amazes me that people cannot see the wolf in sheeps clothing that Huck is and are supporting him on the basis that he promotes himself as the Christian’s Christian. I am a Christian his usage of this offends me.
    The fact that so many supported Huck without looking at his issues or the passive aggressive way he is handling himself…makes some of us think that there is not much intellect being used by those blindly supporting him.

  30. #30
    On January 4th, 2008 at 9:42 am, williamnr said:

    I will start by saying that I support Huckabee. So, anyone who wants to ignore everything I say can stop reading and not waste their time.

    Look at the candidates we are presented with. I would have loved to see Tancredo or Hunter have gone further. Neither was a viable candidate. Without them, lets look at the choices we have.

    I won’t waste my breath on Ron Paul. He is obviously in so many ways not someone we want representing us.

    Mitt Romney. I don’t trust the man as far as I can throw him. He had one too many “conversions on the road to Des Moines” for my liking. He has NEVER been a conservative, bashed Reagan, and lies about his record. He claims to have cut taxes, but increased “fees” to harsh levels. At his core he is a politician with either no core beliefs of beliefs that are at odds with conservatism. I haven’t figured out which, but either way, I can’t support him.

    Giuliani is not really much better. At lease he admits to not being conservative. 2008 seems to be the year that the “neo-cons”, “fiscal-cons” and “defense-cons” want to drop the charade and tell the “social-cons” to shut up, ignore their core values and just vote Republican in memory of Reagan. Guiliani’s pledge to appoint judges who will respect life is troubling. Basically he is willing to go against his beliefs and throw a bone to social conservatives in order to keep them in line. I would have much more respect for him if he stood by his beliefs instead of publicly saying he will do something against his beliefs if it will get him elected.

    Fred Thompson- I really don’t know what to say about him. I don’t believe he is a viable candidate. I don’t believe the man actually wants to be president. At this point I see him more as a spoiler to split the conservative vote than as someone who really wants to be leader of the free world. I can’t see why a man would put himself through the rigors of a campaign so half heartedly, but that is what it looks like.

    Huckabee has his faults. If there was a true pro-life, pro-marriage, strong on defense, tax cutting, spending hawk out there, I would throw my support behind him in a heat beat. I don’t see anyone out there that fits the description.

    With all of the talk about the “Reagan Coalition” breaking up, I must say it is not because of the evangelicals and “social cons”. Everyone expected them (us) to be sheep, to shut up and vote for another Republican nominee who paid lip service only to issues that are important to us. We have done that for too long.

    I for one am sick of hearing about “neo-cons”, “fiscal-cons”, “defense-cons” and “social-cons”. For many of us, there is one label: Conservative. With apologies to Teddy Roosevelt, there should be no hyphenated conservatives.

    If the coalition falls apart because of a Huckabee nomination, it will be because the people who pushed party unity to keep the “social-cons” on board were presenting a hollow argument and care nothing about the Republican party and were merely using conservatives to get their own agenda passed.

    There is an awesome article by Joe Carter yesterday and he sets out the case better than I ever could. Here is the link, I urge anyone interested in the future of the conservative movement to read it.
    http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/004159.html

  31. #31
    On January 4th, 2008 at 10:08 am, donnab13 said:

    #30
    When Huck becomes a conservative I will support him. Alas he is a pro-life liberal.

  32. #32
    On January 4th, 2008 at 10:20 am, williamnr said:

    #31

    It’s easy to attack another candidate. Please show me where Rudy, Mitt or McCain are conservatives?

  33. #33
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am, donnab13 said:

    Never said they were.
    That does not take away from my opinion that Huck is simply a pro-life liberal. Show me where he is not.

  34. #34
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:15 am, katieanne said:

    I believe that as the primaries move along and the scrutiny of the candidates becomes more intense, Huck isn’t going to hold up. As a Christian, I find his Christian “routine” offensive. It takes much more than faith to run this country and on so many levels, Huckabee comes up seriously lacking, IMO. Plus, from what I have seen of his rhetoric and schemes so far in Iowa, I hardly would call some of them appropriate Christian behavior. He’s a slimy snake oil salesman.

    Huck is the Republican Jimmy Carter. He would be a diaster as Presdient. I will not vote for him. Period. I pray he will not get the nomination.

  35. #35
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:16 am, katieanne said:

    disaster. Sorry, can’t spell this morning. :)

  36. #36
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am, Boomer said:

    I think the so called conservatives of Iowa would have been better off letting the states livestock vote last night. I can’t get over how many of them fell hook, line, and sinker for the Huckster.

  37. #37
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am, governmentdrone said:

    katieanne, the only thing I would disagree with you about is that Huck is NOT the Republican Jimmy Carter. He is the Republican Bill Clinton. He has Clinton’s dishonesty and overall slimieness and none of the “personal charm” which endeared him to so many. He may be an even bigger sociopath than Clinton.

    This man is not even close to being a conservative. His 11th hour conversion to supporting the “Fair Tax” is simply a calculated move to draw voters to him, based on the fact that the “Fair Tax” doesn’t have a chance in he** to become fact. His record as a tax increaser in the finest liberal mold speaks for itself. On the other issues, he does the same thing - whichever way the wind blows is how he is going to position himself. Yet another way in which he resembles Bill Clinton.

    Like I said on another thread yesterday, if you like Huckabee, you must have loved Clinton.

    I’m disappointed in how far the Republican party has strayed from being the party of true conservatism. I fear that conservatism is being re-defined and it will be at least another generation before it can be re-established. I fear for our country if this is the case.

    Too bad the only viable conservative candidate never made it to the “primary party”.

  38. #38
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:46 am, traveler49 said:

    Thanks for the FNC update Michelle as I don’t watch that channel anymore or for that matter any news on cable or TV. Actually I do sometimes watch Brit Hume. Tancredo has been dissed from the begining, as for our candidates as WORK949 stated above

    Q: Who really shapes the outcome of our elections?

    A: Not the candidates or their positions, boys and girls. It’s the M-E-D-I-A.

    We get fed the information the media want us to have.

    Shepherd makes me ill.

  39. #39
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am, _lr_ said:

    Fred Thompson- I really don’t know what to say about him. I don’t believe he is a viable candidate. I don’t believe the man actually wants to be president.

    My take on it is that he doesn’t want the presidency in the same sense that a young man might not want to go to fight in Iraq, but goes anyway because the job needs to be done.

    Whether that’s enough to get nominated or elected president in the early 21st-century United Stats is something I’m not too sure about. I’d love to see him in the office, though.

  40. #40
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am, donnab13 said:

    #39
    My take is that Fred wants to be President…he doesn’t NEED to be to fulfill his own ego.

  41. #41
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am, katieanne said:

    governmentdrone, good points on the comparison to Clinton. You’re so right. As to resembling Carter, I do believe that in foreign affairs, the economy and overall perception on what our country needs, Huck is like Carter…clueless. Wow, what a scary thought…a Clinton/Carter combo clone.

    I am at a loss to understand how an educated person could vote for Huck and not see him for what he is. Let’s hope the other primaries deal Huck many defeats.

  42. #42
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    Gotta remember - Iowa is populist and evangelical. Huckabee and Edwards sounded practically alike in thier anti-coropration speeches, and Gomer Huckabee pounded the “Goooooollllyy, I am a Baptist Minister Jesus Candidate” schtick pretty hard.

    The people there are apparently suckers for that kind of hucksterism.

    Remember this is the same state that gave large swaths of caucus votes to Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson in the past, so them voting for Gomer Pyle in large numbers is no surprise.

    Time for Iowa to go away as the starting point - its not representative, nor is it qualified to be the leaderin in how we select presidential candidates. This year proves it.

  43. #43
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, Bonsai Billy said:

    I love it: nominate Huck and we can elect either Hillary or Barrack. Conspire to annoint Mitt and you’ll lose your base. That’s what you get for playing evangelicals for patsies all these years — demanding their support while laughing at them behind their backs. Goodness, the GOP controlled the government for 6 years and delivered…what to them? No wonder that Dilulio guy and Kuo quit.

    Now if you nominated McCain, I’d be concerned. But you won’t!

  44. #44
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, uhangtight said:

    huck the schmuck may be a Christian, but his fruit is rotten. he ‘plagarized’ national review’s handling of the illegal alien issue, he has lied about his record. he has no clue on foreign affairs and lives in the la la land of dealing with our enemies. yes, he is the evil twin of both Clinton and Carter.

    i imagine that the iowans are smoking corn husks… can’t believe this guy has gone this far. and for the past month fox has been shoving this man in our faces. i haven’t seen mccain, romney or guiliani on as much as i have seen huck in the past month. 24 hours a day of this huckster and no one calling him on his record or his liberalness.

    huck the schmuck.. well hopefully after NH voters he will fall to the wayside. one can only hope.

  45. #45
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:29 pm, katieanne said:

    Apparently some Republicans are rather upset at the Huckabee win…found this on HotAir

    http://vodkapundit.com/archives/009372.php

  46. #46
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:29 pm, uhangtight said:

    Mitt and Guiliani can win both Hitlery and Hussein. McCain can’t as he is strong on the war and too liberal for conservatives but not liberal enough for progressives. the media knows huck can’t win a presidency. president huckabee is not going to happen. that name alone disqualifies and even barrack hussein obama will qualify before that. maybe if he changed his name, like he has changed his stance in the last 3 months on immigration, taxes and other conservative ideas. Maybe to just Huck..??? huck the schmuck pulled it off because of the media. hopefully, the rest of the country will get serious and look at the issues.

  47. #47
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, uhangtight said:

    katieanne, vodkapundit.com took the words right out of my mouth!

    everytime i see the huckster coming on fox, i turn him off. AND.. I am a Born Again Evangelical Christian, but sorry his fruit is rotten. i can’t judge his heart as to salvation, but i can judge his fruit. ROTTTEN

  48. #48
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    Fred is my guy based on policy and truly being conservative, but he just isnt getting out there with his contrast to the others. I wish he had Mitt’s Money and McCain’s press tail-wind.

    But nope. Not happening.

    Yes, I’ll stick with him and send some more money, hoping against hope that he manages to get it out of second gear. But if he doesnt break through in First Place in SC (and before that have a decent showing in Michigan - make the mistake of grabbing Spencer Abraham at least pay off there somehow), then he is pretty much done.

    We are headed away from conservatism, pushed by the DC “go-along get-along” crowd. And more’s the pity. We could be going “Goldwater”, but at least in Iowa, are looking “Rockafeller” or even Jimmy Carter instead.

    Sad that I have to echo Reagan’s famous quote about the Democrat party - but its evident that the Republican party is leaving me and other conservatives.

    Having to choose between faux-con Romney, non-con McCain and nanny-stater Huckbaee and liberal Guiliani? No choice at all for a true conservative.

    I think the Republican Party will lose almsot all elections without us on board enthusiastically.

    The Party of Reagan, with “Sam’s Club Republicans” has become the Party of pork, open borders, and big government, the “Country Club Republicans”.

    Unless things change course, it may soon be time for conservatives to say goodbye to the Whig Republican party.

  49. #49
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, donnab13 said:

    Good one Katieanne..thanks

  50. #50
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    More proof that Iowa Evangelicals are shallow IDIOTS!

    Huckabee’s favorite judge is (LIBERAL) Lavenski Smith, who he wants to appoint to the Supreme Court, but who was described even by a (liberal) Minnesota bar publication as a moderate-liberal.

    Smith was also described as liberal by legal commentator Matthew Friendly, who pointed to his liberal rulings on social issues and against employers in race cases even where the evidence against them was quite weak.

    In the Frye case, Smith ruled that non-intrusive anti-abortion speech can be restricted.

    Do anti-abortion social conservatives really want to give away their free speech rights by voting for Huckabee?

    – Hans Bader at Vodkapundit.

    FOOLS!

    Time to take Iowa from the front of the line.

  51. #51
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, Outlander said:

    Hey Michelle, when are we going to see you doing color commentary on Fox of these primaries or other election stuff? I think you’d be great in that role!

  52. #52
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, mnmike said:

    I like Laura, listen to her program often, but I wouldn’t consider her judgment beyond social conservative issues for much.

    As for all matters political, Laura is too easily swayed by single events and attempts to make them a movement. Her question of Rush about Huck was intended to garner support her theory that the Huckster has tapped on to something that all the others don’t have which will propel him to the nomination. His Jimmy Carter like appeal to the poor and down trodden.

    It’s nothing more than class warfare which is not likely to fly nationwide.

  53. #53
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, blacktygrrrr said:

    There are people that think that Rudy, McCain and Romney are not conservatives. NONSENSE!

    They are conservatives on taxes and terrorism. They are just not social conservatives.

    Social conservatives do not like being called bible thumpers or knuckle draggers. Libertarian conservatives do not like being called RINOS.

    Whether Log Cabin or Christian Coalition, if you are for lower taxes and dead terrorists, you are conservative enough for me.

    Huckabee is neither.

    Respectfully,

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express

  54. #54
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Frumious Bandersnatch said:

    I know it is hard, but if we all took a logical look at the candidates, judging them in the same way, using the same methods, we might possibly be surprised at the results.

    For example, we might ask who, on the campaign trail has flip flopped. I’m not talking about what one could reasonably assume was a conversion before the campaign began (remember Reagan himself was converted). I’m talking about a Hillary type flip-flop while on the campaign trail.

    Who has presented himself either overtly or implicitly as a conservative, yet has never apologized or acknowledged that he has held different views in the recent past?

    Who has supported more tax increases than he has opposed, yet only touts his tax decreases and totally ignores his tax-supporting record?

    Who has never apologized for supporting illegal immigration. In fact, insists he hasn’t ever done so, his record to the contrariwise?

    Who is pretty much clueless on foreign policy?

    Who has been less than honest in his campaign. I don’t mean mistakes, but has tried to cover up his past record rather than explain it? Even going so far as to attack his questioners rather than explain it?

    Who has not been solidly pro-life since at least the campaign began?

    Who has not been consistent in explaining his views during the campaign?

    These questions are of overriding importance, but they stem from the head, not the heart. Each question has more than one answer, of course. Some will get different answers than others of course. But if you honestly and logically apply these questions to all the campaigners, the answers may surprise you.

    Of course, that assumes that you are honest and can come up with reasonable evidence for every one of your assertions. From what I’ve seen, that doesn’t seem to always be the case.

    I’m not going to make statements on this thread about any of the candidates one way or another, but it should be kinda painfully obvious who is being less forthcoming than others.

    Oh, and if your argument against a candidate is an ad-hominum one, you lose credibility, because it shows you can’t think clearly from a logical perspective.

  55. #55
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Bob1234 said:

    Well said, #16!

  56. #56
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    Huck sucks!

  57. #57
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, governmentdrone said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, blacktygrrrr said:
    There are people that think that Rudy, McCain and Romney are not conservatives. NONSENSE!

    They are conservatives on taxes and terrorism. They are just not social conservatives.

    Sorry tygrrrr, but that’s re-defining what conservatism is, and that’s what is killing the Republican party.

  58. #58
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, roadrage said:

    I think #48 has it right. There’s no longer a political party for true conservatives.

    When you look at the Republican candidates, they’re not really any different from the Democratic ones. Huck is a true liberal, and so are McCain and Rudy. Mitt is only slightly to the right of them, and only so that he can set himself somewhat apart. Fred’s more conservative, but unfortunately he’s asleep at the wheel. And the media won’t give Hunter the time of day.

    The media are amazingly able to convince the masses on who to vote for. They’ve been pushing Huck and Hussein on us for months now. It should be no surprise that they won in Iowa. I’ve been a Fox News watcher since they started, but now I see them beginning to fall in stride with CNN and the rest of the liberal media - selling a Republican candidate who is just as liberal as any Democrat.

    Whether we realize it or not, the conservatives have lost this election - even if a Republican wins it. We don’t have a candidate in the race. The Republican Party will end up with a liberal-in-disguise candidate, because the media wants it that way, and the American people do as the media says.

    I would surely like to see a true conservative party form - and put up a candidate who I can vote for without feeling sick to my stomach.

  59. #59
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, huggybear said:

    When Huckabee took on Rush just a few weeks ago, you could almost hear the collective “oooOOOooo” ripple through the blogosphere. Everyone seemed certain this was Huckabee’s downfall.

    Last night was just as much a defeat for Rush as it was for Hillary. Seems like his influence might not be as strong as it once was.

    And perhaps this will be a lesson for the GOP not to manipulate the evangelical base in order to get out the vote. This is what the last 7 years have wrought. Huckabee’s win should not come as a surprise to anyone.

  60. #60
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, governmentdrone said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, huggybear said:

    And perhaps this will be a lesson for the GOP not to manipulate the evangelical base in order to get out the vote.

    And just what in the heck is it that Huckabee just did? If it isn’t manipulating the evangelical base, I don’t know what is.

    Huckabee is nothing more than Bill Clinton with the ability to wrap himself in the cloak of a Baptist minister.

    And quite frankly, “evangelicals” who support this guy strictly on the basis of him being a Baptist minister really need to take some time out for some serious self reflection. Huckabee’s actions in this election cast serious doubt on his “Christian” bona-fides.

  61. #61
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, governmentdrone said:

    One other thing Huggy:

    Last night was just as much a defeat for Rush as it was for Hillary. Seems like his influence might not be as strong as it once was.

    Obviously you don’t really keep up. That whole thing was never Rush vs. Huckabee. It was a Huckabee “staffer” throwing an insult at Rush. He never really responded to the Huckabee campaign by telling his listeners to “not vote for Huckabee”. Rush’s response was really little more than saying that Huckabee was wrong when he said he couldn’t contact Rush. Yes, Rush has talked about Huckabee’s record, but he’s talked about everybody’s record.

    It was the media and a lot of the blogosphere that expected Rush to try to “bury” Huckabee, rather than Rush actually doing anything.

  62. #62
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, williamnr said:

    Which Republican candidate has the worst record for raising taxes while in office?

    According to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation Romney raised fees and taxes roughly $740 million to $750 million per year – an increase of roughly 2.8 billion during his tenure.

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which candidate opposed the Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and 2003?

    John McCain

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which three candidates support embryo-destructive research?

    Romney, Giuliani, McCain

    Still think they are conservatives?

    Which candidate has said he would meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which candidate has said that he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes?

    Romney

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which candidate criticized excessive CEO compensation by saying, “In some cases I think they pay compensation packages that are excessive and unnecessary. That’s shame on the board and the owners.”?

    Romney

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which candidate once said he “will not support a specific proposal unless it taxes investment income” and ran newspaper ads denouncing the flat tax as a “tax cut for fat cats”?

    Romney

    Still think he is a conservative?

    Which two candidates support the ban on “assault weapons”?

    Giuliani and Romney

    Still think they are conservatives?

    Basically what we have here is a bunch of flawed candidates. Giuliani admits to having no love for conservatives and Romney is lying about his record and his beliefs left and right.

    Just because the “East Coast Elites” anoint a candidate does not make him a conservative.

    The evangelicals have stopped being sheep. It is time for everyone else to wake up.

  63. #63
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, donnab13 said:

    The evangelicals have stopped being sheep. It is time for everyone else to wake up.

    Have they? Or have they just followed another shepherd?
    Still waiting for you to show me where Huck is more than a pro-life liberal.

  64. #64
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, governmentdrone said:

    williamnr:

    And you’re saying Huckabee IS a conservative?

    Time for you to wake up.

    Roadrage had it right:

    Whether we realize it or not, the conservatives have lost this election - even if a Republican wins it. We don’t have a candidate in the race.

    Please quit trying to pretend that ANY of this bunch are really conservatives.

  65. #65
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, huggybear said:

    And just what in the heck is it that Huckabee just did? If it isn’t manipulating the evangelical base, I don’t know what is.

    Precisely. And exactly how ready do you think America is to elect a person who honestly believes the world was created 6,000 years ago over the course of 7 days? Best of luck with that.

  66. #66
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, williamnr said:

    #65

    A bit of anti-Christian bigotry?

    Thought that was the domain of the koskids and the rest of the loony left.

    Are you so upset that whichever RINO you preferred didn’t win in Iowa that you want to insult Christians everywhere and drive the evangelicals out of the party?

    Alienating Christians as the Democrats have would lead the Republican party to a long stint in the wilderness and possibly its complete collapse.

    I really suggest that you think twice about what you might think is a harmless smart alec comment.

    A lot of the conservative blogs I have visited regularly over the years are seeing an uptick in anti-Christian comments and I hope that people sit back and realize what they are saying and the effect their words could have.

  67. #67
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, governmentdrone said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, huggybear said:

    exactly how ready do you think America is to elect a person who honestly believes the world was created 6,000 years ago over the course of 7 days? Best of luck with that.

    Umm, I’m not familiar with any avowed athiest that has been President. At least in the last century.

    Just in case you hadn’t looked, over 70% of the US population considers their religious conviction to be “very important” to them.

    Frankly, I don’t really care what flavor a candidate’s religious beliefs are. What matters to me is their stance on issues. Period.

    If your comments reflect your honest opinion, do the country a favor and stay at home on election day.

  68. #68
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, Bad Candy said:

    You notice how williamnr takes to his bunker and cries “anti-Christian bigotry” when his boy’s being attacked? Note he ignores Fred? Can’t bring himself to mention him because he knows Fred’s record stomps ol’ Hucks record?

    Face it, you’re indulging in vile identity politicking, and you’re being played like a fiddle by a Democrat with a Bible and rifle.

  69. #69
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, Bad Candy said:

    As for driving evangelicals out of the party, they’re doing a good enough job on their own without any help from the anti-Christian types.

    Have you noticed how Andrew Sullivan cheers Huck, yet is a guy who rails against religious all the time, and slimes them as Theocrats and Christianists?

    Have you noticed all the nice things the Democrat talking heads have to say about Huck? If those aren’t big enough red flags for you, you’re beyond hope.

  70. #70
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:48 pm, blacktygrrrr said:

    Govt drone (and all), It is the social conservatives that have tried to redefine conservatism.

    Edmund Burke didn’t care about abortion. John Locke felt “liberty is property,” which has nothing to do with gay rights. Barry Goldwater was pro-choice and pro gays in the military.

    Ronald Reagan is known for winning the Cold War and Reaganomics. The fact that he was pro-life was incidental.

    The social conservatives had no political influence until the 1988 race…Reagan did not need them since the entire nation was supporting him.

    Cut taxes, kill terrorists…period.

    For all I care, the sexiest women in the Pro-Life and Pro-Choice movements can jello wrestle for the right to win on that issue.

    What the hell is being Pro-life gonna do if Al Queda blows us up?

    Sheesh, try and save people who are alive TODAY, then we can worry about whether or not they reproduce.

    Rudy, McCain, Romney and Thompson are all fine men, and there will never be another Ronald Reagan.

    We need to stop pining for Reagan or we will be as pathetic as the democrats still stuck on FDR and JFK.

    The government that governs best, governs least. THAT is conservatism.Social conservatives should think about this.

    Reagan was agiant. Any of the four men above will be good enough.

    Respectfully,

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express

  71. #71
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, williamnr said:

    #68

    If you read my prior posts. I do in fact mention Fred.

    I can’t figure out what he is doing. I don’t see him as a man that wants to win. I am completely confused by him.

    I have stated I would love to see a truly conservative candidate in the race. NONE of our current choices qualify.

    As for “heading for the bunker and crying anti-Christian bigotry” I thought that post was very level headed and a warning that we shouldn’t head down that path.

    Attack Huck on the issues, don’t demagogue and don’t attack Christianity and we can have a dialog.

    I don’t think that is too much to ask.

  72. #72
    On January 4th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, williamnr said:

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express,

    According to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation Romney raised fees and taxes roughly $740 million to $750 million per year – an increase of roughly 2.8 billion during his tenure

    And you are still carrying water for him?

    McCain voted against Bush’s tax cuts in 2001 and 2003

    Romney supports raising the gasoline tax.

    Come on, tell us what is really driving you.

    If you qualify conservatives by tax cutting only, then McCain and Romney are out.

    Romney’s record on taxes is WORSE than Hucks.

  73. #73
    On January 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, emjem24 said:

    I’m leery of Huckabee. I think he’s a fake and a fraud. He’s right about one thing in the interview that he gave to Fox: Reagan was unique.

    As to Obama’s victory, that also left me feeling cold and dubious. I hate Hillary but I can’t stand him either. What does he stand for? How real is he and his marriage? He seems socially permissive, vacant, and pliable to any wedge issue group.

    As for evangelicals: I don’t think they’re stupid. However, just because Huckabee is a preacher doesn’t mean he embodies things the same way evangelicals do. That’s what I didn’t like the most about the Iowa Caucuses…
    it’s not only retail politicking it’s whoring for votes.

    The more I become acquainted with Huckabee, the more I think he’s just another RINO. Someone who’s conveniently
    folksy and down-home when he needs to be, but when you scratch the surface he’s still another lying politician.

    Will the REAL candidates please stand
    up?

  74. #74
    On January 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pm, katieanne said:

    As to Obama’s victory, that also left me feeling cold and dubious. I hate Hillary but I can’t stand him either. What does he stand for? How real is he and his marriage? He seems socially permissive, vacant, and pliable to any wedge issue group.

    IMO, Obama is very scary since most of his views are far left. I am surprised there hasn’t been more scrutiny of him on lots of issues and since we are talking about Christianity, especially Obama’s church.

    Check this out…

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200703010012

  75. #75
    On January 5th, 2008 at 12:27 am, scooter56 said:

    Rush is right, this was a humiliating defeat for Hillary and not much has been decided with the Republicans.

    Lets seee….Obama 16 delegates, Hillary 15, Edwards 14…..How humiliating.
    Huckabee 30 delegates, Romney 7, everyone else zero. Not much decided.
    Rush is such a hack (water carrier).

  76. #76
    On January 5th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, 1ManMilitia said:

    McCain is scary. Rudy is scarier.
    I like Hunter, Ron Paul, and Romney in that order.
    I think Fred Thompson got in as a spoiler to help McCain. Time will tell.
    Better to have Huckabee than McCain or Rudy. At least he is good on guns, and the Law Of the Sea Treaty.

  77. #77
    On January 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, petergwynne75 said:

    I know Rush hasn’t endorsed a candidate, but judging from some of his remarks on Huckabee, I think Rush likes Rudy.

    I say this b/c Rush kep on saying, ‘well, what can a President really do about abortion…except appoint judges to the Supreme Court?’.

    This is exactly what Rudy has been saying…that he’d nominate the same types of (pro-life)-type Justices that President Bush has.

    What do you think? Does Rush heart Rudy?

  78. #78
    On January 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, DanME said:

    Huckabee is a fraud. I just don’t understand his appeal except his personality. If he ever won the Republican nomination, I’ll sit out this election. Under no circumstances will I vote for Huckabee. I might vote for McCain, but I’ll be holding my nose.

    After Iowa, I can only think that Americans get fatter, lazier, and dumber every year.

  79. #79
    On January 6th, 2008 at 12:26 am, Prime Director said:

    According to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation

    No one gives a damn what the MTF has to say.

    The Club For Growth is a better source to consult on these matters. What, pray tell, does the CFG say about Huckabee?:

    While Governor Huckabee’s record displays some flashes of economic conservatism, especially during his early years, the overwhelming evidence of his record and rhetoric over the past ten years leaves the Club for Growth and economic conservatives around the country to wonder if a President Huckabee would espouse the relatively pro-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 1997 or the anti-growth policies of Governor Huckabee circa 2004. While the Governor has made a concerted effort to defend his record, calling oneself an economic conservative does not make one so. His recent refusals to rule out raising taxes if elected President-the cornerstone of a pro-growth platform-perhaps indicate which path he would choose.

  80. #80
    On January 6th, 2008 at 3:44 am, Ombre Rose said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, governmentdrone said:
    One other thing Huggy

    Apparently you missed seeing Huckabee attack Carl Cameron on the road this Saturday morning, (yesterday morning, now) saying it was fine for him to deny Carl an interview (Carl is always soooo soft-ball, Gee, Huckabee, what on EARTH could you have been afraid of!) because Carl wouldn’t vote for him anyway, so he was going to talk to 2 little girls whom he KNEW would vote for him - and they said they would, of course!

    Huckabee spoke insultingly to Carl for several minutes. I found it snide, in spite of the “big smile” on his face.
    We all know Carl didn’t ask to be treated like that and didn’t deserve it, either.

    It left Carl feeling, like Gee, what did I do to ask for THAT? Rather stunned, I thought.

    Huckabee has no class. And HE called Bush an arrogant [person] with a bunker mentality???

    Besides, I’ve heard him tell Christian children his political goals for illegal aliens and giving them voting rights he would NEVER DARE say to their parents. HE was talking to teens with an outreach that is encouraging missions work, who simply would be too naive to comprehend the full schope of what he is saying.

    But Jesus didn’t tell the Good Samaritan to go to the robber’s roost and give the robbers a life of luxury, to prove the GS was a good guy!
    Nor did Jesus tell the people they were wrong about the tax collectors and needed to give them even more of their income so that the govt could make the LAWLESS ones most comfortable at their expense.

    Yeah, McCain and Huckabee and Fred are three great butt buddies, all right.

    Someone reminded us the other night that Huckabee’s campaign manager (that is also jumping in with army boots on down others’ throats, these days,) was H. Ross Perot’s Presidential campaign manager, too!

    Explains a lot!

  81. #81
    On January 6th, 2008 at 3:49 am, Ombre Rose said:

    On January 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, DanME said:
    Huckabee is a fraud.

    It has to be the kind of evangelicals who never ever ever turn on ANY political news or use their computers to find out any FACTS of the RECORDS of these clowns.

    Huckabee HAS been chasing down the most prominent of the youth-oriented evangelical ministries, such as The Call, and going to their leaders and asking them all what God is saying to them, these last few years - flattering them all up the KAZOO!

    If they never do any investigating beyond just their personal visits with him, they’d be the most likely to call the media LIARS for every negative th ing they say about him, just tune it out and show up to vote!

    Very scary. He talks up to them that the ILLEGAL ALIENS could help get Roe v Wade overturned WITH THEIR “FAMILY VALUES” VOTING!

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