The search for Yaser Abdel Said
The manhunt continues for the father suspected of murdering his two teenage daughters in Texas. His son called on the man to surrender–and he denies that the suspected honor killings have anything to do with religion:
The brother of two teenage girls who police believe were killed by their father this week pleaded Thursday night for his dad to surrender to authorities.
“I never thought this would happen,” said Islam Said, 19. “Tell him to turn himself in.”
Yaser Abdel Said, a 50-year-old cabdriver, is being sought in the deaths of Amina Yaser Said, 18, and Sarah Yaser Said, 17. The Lewisville High School students were found shot to death in a taxi at an Irving hotel Tuesday night.
Islam Said and his mother appeared at a candlelight vigil in honor of the girls outside the high school Thursday night. Dozens of students and teachers gathered around pink posters decorated with pictures of the smiling sisters and signed with messages for the girls, described as well-liked students who played tennis and soccer and excelled in Advanced Placement courses.
Mr. Said also disputed widespread rumors and media reports that his Muslim father’s religion may have been part of the motive.
“It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”
Federal officials are part of the manhunt, but there are no leads and no progress. Said may have left the country.
I’ll leave you with this:
Zohair Zaidi, a close friend of Sarah’s, said she told him her father had recently threatened to harm Amina when he discovered she had a boyfriend.
“Her dad has always been oppressive with her and her sister,” said Mr. Zaidi, 18.
“She said that one day when she came home – the day he found out about Amina’s boyfriend – he told Sarah, ‘I’m going to put a bullet through Amina’s head, and you better get used to her because she’s not going to be around much longer.’ ”
One of the sisters called 911 from a cellphone around 7:30 p.m. Tuesday. She said she was dying, according to an Irving police report. Police traced the call to O’Connor Road and Riverside Drive, where police initially did not find the caller.
An hour later, police received another call about two unconscious females in a taxi at a service entrance of the Omni Mandalay Hotel. Police located the vehicle and found the sisters, who died of multiple gunshot wounds.
“The victims’ mother provided information that pointed to the victims’ father as the suspect,” the Irving police report said.
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By all means, enlighten us and let us know what this is all about.
Horseradish!
I’ve not seen “honor” killings from any other religion. If you really believe that, prove it.
Riiiiiiiight.
Of course religion doesn’t have anything to do with it - remember, we’re talking about the “Religion of Peace” here.
/sarc
I believe I will take the impressions of the girls’ friends over the son.
There are reports floating around that the father is not a devout Muslim. Which makes this case all the more bizarre. Why would he do such a thing? Something drove him to and by all accounts it was their dating preferences or the simple fact that they were dating at all.
My watch just quit working it can on handle so much BS. Nothing to see here move along religion of peace and all that.
Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.
Sure it doesn’t. A lot of non-Muslim fathers kill their daughters because they have boyfriends. You should see the lines at funeral homes during prom season.
Jeez, another case of “Sudden Deranged Cab Driver Syndrome”?
That should have read “Sudden Deranged Muslim Cab Driver Syndrome”
“It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”
‘Course not…what could we be thinking?
Sure it’s not religion, it’s culture - the culture of religion, and not just any religion..
(Sorry to pile on, but sometimes it is the thing to do.)
How gullible do we appear?
What next?
Are we going to be told, “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”?
I have to say, I’m a bit disappointed with the comments so far.
It definitely does sound like an honor killing, I thought that from the beginning, when I first heard about this case. However, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that there was something else behind this. The fact that Said is Muslim and honor killings are a very real thing in the Muslim world does not mean that there can be no other story behind these terrible murders. It sounds like the son might have some specific motive in mind. I’m willing to wait and see what other details come up.
First, the Mother is an American. Second, if the Father didn’t kill the because, as the Mother and son both said earlier, the girls were dating outside of their religion, then what was the reason? Did he have incestuous
feelings for the girls? Is he just crazy and wants to kill all of the females
related to him and that is why the Mother is in hiding?
To me, dating outside of the religion as a reason for murder=religion.
That said, I really do believe it was an honor killing. Just playing devil’s advocate I guess.
Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.
IT IS RELIGION!!!
&
SOMEONE NEEDS TO BEAT THE SHT OUTTA’HIM!!!
& then leave him to GOD!
ahhhhhhh…………that is the beauty of islam….’devout’ has nothing to do w/ familial jihad!….fixed that.
And perhaps pigs will fly, too.
#15 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, RaisedRight said:
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“However, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that there was something else behind this.”
“I’m willing to wait and see what other details come up.”
Yes and yes.
But:
“…I’m a bit disappointed with the comments so far.”
I’m not.
This is not a court of law.
We bloggers are expressing hunches and opinions…not presenting testimony and evidence.
“It definitely does sound like an honor killing, I thought that from the beginning, when I first heard about this case.”
Exactly.
As we say in medicine, “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.”
And, I occasionally add…,”…nor unicorns.”
Didn’t you hear? The honorable thing to do after a Islam-motivated murder is to run off and hide in the hills.
Not feeling like getting banned this early in the year but I just had to do something with that.
Hey, AJ, back off. This kid just lost his sisters and, for all intents and purposes, his father. So calling him “scum” is a bit much, don’t you think?
You are being a jerk.
Are “honor killings” a huge problem in the Muslim world? Of course. But unless one of you oh so bright commenters has some inside information you’d be willing to share, back the Hell off.
For all we know, this guy was a raving loon. Or an abuser. Or had incestuous feelings. Or it was a religion thing. But Islam Said has a much better idea than anyone commenting on this site, including me.
So give him a break and offer him your best wishes for the horrible tragedy he just endures instead of calling him “scum” or accusing him of lying.
YOU MEAN CAVES…
From the Star Telegram:
Domestic problems.
Sounds like the mother disappeared, doesn’t say when she reappeared. But did she take off and leave the daughters with the father?
More details, too many more questions unanswered.
Maybe I was talking about the father rusty, but as far as I’m concerned he’s scum for denying it… it’s bull.. not backing off of anything.
On January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.
The honorable(cowardly)thing to do in the islamic belief is to blow himself up and receive 72 virgins. I hope 2 of them are his daughters.
That’s royal!
I mean, I am trying to refrain from bad language, but…
Calling some anonymous moron a “jerk” is better than calling someone who just lost 60% of his family “scum.”
To be honest, I kind of hope I get some back up on this. Because ajmontana is so far beyond the pale that it’s distressing. He’s either a monster or a dolt.
Oh yeah, let’s chalk up Said’s slaughter of his own kids up to a bad day at the office. He’s crazy, alright, an a muslim kinda way. His control-freak behavior has a religion-based pattern to it. GO BACK AND READ the statements from family and friends about his hatred of “Western ways” and his aneurism over his daughter’s adaptations. Don’t expect me to “back off”, puddin’.
I understand that. I’m not disappointed at the opinions of the people on this site, I agree for the most part. I just didn’t love the way some people were expressing things. I am certainly no Muslim apologist, I just think this sad, disturbing case requires a bit more info.
AJ, I hope if tragedy strikes you or your family, that some anonymous person doesn’t call you or your family bad names. One would think that would be a common courtesy.
How many Muslim immigrant taxi cab drivers do we really need in the USA?
Rusty think what you want I dont care. If you chose to call me names go for it. your opinion of me means zippo.
now you back off, I’ve heard enough from you rusty.
it wasn’t a tragedy, it was a MURDER! by a father and his stupid son is trying to protect him and keep it on the hush.
out…
You mean common courtesy like:
Jerk
Monster
Dolt
You back off pal.
#27: On January 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, ajmontana said:
“Maybe I was talking about the father rusty, but as far as I’m concerned he’s scum for denying it… it’s bull.. not backing off of anything.”
aj, I thought you WERE talking about the father.
When did you ever call the brother scum?!?!?!?!
However, now that the brother has been brought up, let’s see what the full results of the investigation show.
If I am not mistaken, from reports of other Muslim “honor” killings, brothers are not unknown to have helped lure their sisters back to the father to their (sisters’) demise…or, indeed, even to have helped the father carry out the act.
And no, I do not have citations at the ready…day job, you know.
My point is that police should check into whether the brother had anything to do with this.
If he did not, then fine.
But it would be an error not to investigate the possibility.
Finally, lest I forget, you stick to your guns, aj.
#32 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, RaisedRight said:
“…I just think this sad, disturbing case requires a bit more info.”
Agreed!!
I’d like to rise in unanimus support and consent of AJ…..
I second that emotion
Boy these “religion of peace” people have a lot of anger issues!
Third, followed by a condemnation of Rusty’s assaults.
#30: On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, Rusty said:
“Because ajmontana is so far beyond the pale that it’s distressing. He’s either a monster or a dolt.”
#33 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Rusty said:
“AJ, I hope if tragedy strikes you or your family, that some anonymous person doesn’t call you or your family bad names. One would think that would be a common courtesy.”
Whooooaaaaa!!!
As we used to say back in the 70s, hang in there, Rusty!
Sheesh!
#’s 43 & 45:
On January 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, atxcowgirl said:
I second that emotion
On January 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
Third, followed by a condemnation of Rusty’s assaults.
You folks beat me to it.
Agreed!
Aj, has nothing to worry about from Rusty. Can’t we all just get along?
For the record, I support aj as well.
Why should I give someone the courtesy to treat them with respect when he/she is calling a victim whose life was torn apart “scum”?
If AJ is talking about the father, fine, the father is clearly scum. But that doesn’t appear to be what he is saying. It’s the teenager here who is saying that it wasn’t a religious thing. He is the one defending his religion (while, notably, not defending his father).
Out of bounds.
And I love that AJ got so upset that I brought up how he would like people to speak of him and his family if something terrible were to happen. It’s ok for you to do, but not for others. Right. If you have such a problem with the way others talk about you, maybe you should think about how you talk about others.
Rusty - I don’t know…
(First, I thought aj’s first comment was in reference to the father. But, let’s say it was about the son.)
It is not proven that these were honor killings, but so far all signs point in that direction. If (and I did say if) the son is covering for his father’s heinous crime, than I would have to agree that he is scum.
If the son really knows the motive to be something else, I hope he is talking to the cops and doing everything possible to illuminate the situation.
Not knowing all the facts, perhaps aj’s comment was too strong, but I must admit that my initial reaction to it was to nod and move on. I have no tolerance for “honor” killers.
I think your point would have been much better made if you had not jumped to calling aj names like jerk, monster, and dolt. I certainly cannot back you up on this.
Just one girl’s humble opinion.
AJ is just like a good umpire - he calls ‘em the way he sees ‘em. Rusty just likes to argue with the ump, that’s all. Of course, I’ll take the ump’s call every time over the fan who’s sitting up in Bob Ueker’s “Front row(euphemistically called the top shelf)”
Just keep calling them balls and strikes, AJ.
Rusty, I’m pretty sure I already read earlier that the wife had said that the husband took this action because the daughters were dating outside of their religion. Another article said outside of their caste as opposed to religion. If your argument is that it’s culture as opposed to religion, then there is little difference, as it is the religion that drives that culture. The son is not scum unless he was party to the crime, but I think AJ was referring to the father as scum, not the son.
Death by Muslim.
Are there any Muslims who do abuse women and children?
If not religion, then what? Cultural? We don’t need people like that here. What a waste. The girls sound like they were really well adjusted. I pray my daughter does as well. Soccer, Tennis, AP courses… What a shame!
No, I think everyone’s opinion. What makes this whole threadjack funny is Rusty calling for back-up and getting none and the idea he is thinking for AJ.
Priceless.
#50:
On January 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, RaisedRight said:
“I think your point would have been much better made if you had not jumped to calling aj names like jerk, monster, and dolt.”
I agree with you, RaisedRight.
Rusty’s “jumpING to name-calling” sure looks an awful lot like what aj is being accused of.
nyc123me
Ms Wong, a classmate likewise stated the girls lived in constant fear of their father because of his religion. As did the boy friend.
Denmark has 10 honor crimes a month. All by Muslims.
I’m with you, RaisedRight #15. I tried to make this argument yesterday, but there was no interest in being patient to learn the facts, or to focus on the tragedy, and the pain the rest of this family is going through.
Rusty’s right, if a bit over the top, And I thank him for having the courage to stand up. Honestly, the way you people are going after him, you’d think he said something bad about Fred Thompson.
As far as the son is concerned, he’s calling on his father to surrender. Isn’t that a good thing? He’s also probably deep in denial about a lot of things, including Islam’s role in the killings. At this point, there’s no reason to condemn him.
Rusty = Radiojoe1470? LOL.
#60: On January 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:
“As far as the son is concerned, he’s calling on his father to surrender….At this point, there’s no reason to condemn him.
Will somebody PLEASE show us where and by whom the son has been condemned?
Please?!
Radio,
That’s just it. Nobody was going after the son. Aj was referring to the father. Rusty misunderstood and now you are too. This isn’t that difficult to figure out.
But just as Aj said, the son should be doing all he can to ensure that his father is caught. If he is hindering the investigation in any way… that makes him scum. This is the court of public opinion and we may not get it right all of the time. However, chastising someone when you misunderstood (and do not own up to it!)is a surefire way to get the crowd to turn against you.
Stand up for what.
Condemn one person for name calling and then unleashing his barrage? Wrong
Thinking for AJ? Wrong.
Good call.
Ummm, it seems like there were people around who knew these girls lived in fear. Maybe (just maybe) the brother knew as well or is his head up something? Maybe there are some dirty little secrets in the house?
Rusty does not know how honorable the son is. Rusty is making an assumption (as we all may be). This stinks of an honor killing and it has everything to do with the religion. If the son is denying that, we should take a long hard look at the son too.
The mark of a REAL man(pardon me, 30pcs) is to admit your mistakes, accept whatever consequences are forthcoming, and move on.
This “man” means to defend his misconceptions to the very death, it appears.
Please, gang, let’s not feed the trolls any more. Thanks
I cannot believe how silent the MSM is on this…we cannot even lean on Fox for coverage. What in the heck is going on?
If it wasn’t religious, it was cultural, and (some say) that makes it OK.
B. Spears is drunk.
I hope that helped.
IT’s Friday!
I see. I should have known. It really has turned into tabloid TV. I can’t tell you the last time I watched any shows on Fox. No offense Michelle, but when you are on, I am at work and cannot watch anyway.
I think what AJ was referring to was the honor killing in Canada a few weeks ago where a spokseman for the Canadian version of CAIR said the murder wasn’t about religion, just teenager problems. I don’t think AJ was referring to the brother in regards to the “this is a teenager thing”.
Just the way I was reading it.
BTW the brother in Canada also helped the father strangle the sister for wearing “Western” clothes. So this brother coming out and saying it’s not about religion may indicate more of a role in events leading up to if not the actual murders than he’s willing to admit.
Nope. I have no clue who Rusty is.
I agree it’s not clear who AJ was refering to in the original post. However, it was very clear, even to AJ what Rusty thought AJ meant, and AJ let it stand. Had he corrected it, I’d be siding with AJ.
Maybe Geraldo can come on O’Reilly later and tell us that despite the fact that this stinks of Muslim ‘values,’ its really just about poor quality laws inside the United States. You know, like he does with illegals killing innocent people, those are just bad DUI laws.
If it is a Muslim thing, then the son is likely complicit, if not guilty as a participant in the crime. This wouldn’t be the first time a Muslim covered for another Muslim.
This thing is looking, quacking and walking an awful lot like a duck. But maybe the naysayers that have appeared here today are right, and it’s a peacock instead.
Bullseye! From yesterday:
The father is reported to have told one of the daughters he was going to kill the other one. Did he also tell the son?
If he (the father) was so distraught, why didn’t he just kill himself?
Also, I have a problem understanding yet another contradiction in the religion of peace and tolerance - it is dishonorable to kill a woman, yet it is out of homor that you kill a woman (daughters in this case).. please explain.
There is no explanation, nyc. These people are generally barbaric, and they do whatever they feel like doing. There is no honor among them, that’s why suicide bombings killing women and children are okay with them. Often, they don’t even follow their own holy book, yet they wish to enforce it on others. They’re animals. That may be why some here are possibly presuming some level of guilt even on the son, because in their homelands, he would likely have helped the father.
it is not religion, yeah, because islam is not a religion, it is a murderous cult from barbaric times that has been allowed to co-exist with modern civilization. what fools we are..
And yet what makes it even more bizarre is that it was from them we got the concept of “zero.” In addition to mathematics, they were very advanced in astronomy and science, and led the world in these fields for many, many years.
Oops - my bad. That was before the religion of peace took over.
#76,
“Also, I have a problem understanding yet another contradiction in the religion of peace and tolerance - it is dishonorable to kill a woman, yet it is out of homor that you kill a woman (daughters in this case).. please explain.”
You have to understand that Mohammad (PBUH) pretty much made things up as he went along. One day he has a seizure and says to be nice to the Jews and Christians. Next day he has another seizure and says to kill and/or enslave them. The whole religion is contradictory.
Hey, cpo, they gave us AL-JAY-BRA. You tell me one high school student that thinks anything good of them after that!! /sarc off
You’re right, of course. There once were many great achievements made by the Arab and Persian populations of the Middle East. And you’re right again — then along came the religion of peace (pieces?).
From what I understand, the local Imams are allowed to give their congregation
their own interpretation of the Koran. Hence, the suicide bombers coming out
of some Mosques and not others. We do not know if Said attended a Mosque,
but I would bet that if he was having “trouble” with his daughters, whether it
was religious or if he felt they were tempting him sexually, or whatever, he more than likely talked it over with the Imam and was told that if his right eye
offended him to pluck it out. It sounds like the Mother and both daughters left,
he put out a missing persons report on them Christmas Eve and they returned
home New Years Eve. The Mother is in hiding and came out for the candlelight
service last night and would not tell where she is staying ( I can’t believe she was asked). She is the one that pointed the police at her husband as the killer.
I did not know there was a son until last night and he wasn’t referred to on local
Fox as brother, just as son, but that may not mean anything. When he said the
killing had nothing to do with religion, but other things, my first thought was,
he’s protecting Islam. There was a mini interview with a boyfriend that kept his
back to the camera to protect his identity which may mean that there were some threats made to him.
Until someone gives me another motive, this reads, in my book, as an honor
killing.
#72
On January 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:
“I agree it’s not clear who(sic) AJ was refering to in the original post.”
Here’s the original post in question:
On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ajmontana said:
“Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.”
It seems pretty clear to me that aj is referring to the general pass that elite media types, politicians, & diplomats give to Muslims. There is no suggestion that the son was being referred to.
‘Course, if one is looking for, and desires to find, ambiguity…say, to start a debate or argument, one could probably find such ambiguity virtually anywhere. Lawyers come to mind. (And we have a kid in law school-who’ll be one of the good guys…trust me.)
“However, it was very clear, even to AJ what Rusty thought AJ meant, and AJ let it stand. Had he corrected it, I’d be siding with AJ.”
So what?
So what if it was very clear that Rusty misunderstood what aj meant?
So bloody what?
The burden is on Rusty to understand statements correctly…NOT on aj to make sure that misunderstandings do not stand.
This “misunderstanding” (accidentally on purpose?) of a statement that appears reasonably clear and easy to understand appears little different from throwing a bomb during a discussion, and then walking away.
See here for reasons
Honestly, I am thinking about switching over to MSNBC, when Laura Ingraham too stops showing up on Fox.
On the contrary. They get around it by taking what came last as being what to live by.
Before you all give her flack, she did NOT mean it this way. The father may have been sexually tempted but it was not the daughters who did the tempting.
Got your back TXRose.
Christian Arabs commit “honor” killings in Egypt, and probably throughout the Near East and Middle East. It’s cultural. I’ve read that it was happening before Mohammed. So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion. I don’t know whether non-Arab Muslims commit “honor” killings.
“There once were many great achievements made by the Arab and Persian populations of the Middle East.”
Let’s not get too carried away here.
I had thought this, too; as well, I had read years ago that the populations of the lands conquered by Muslims willingly accepted their new overlords and willingly converted to Islam, because they saw the Muslims as better than their previous situation/overlords…until a number of years ago, when I began to read more on these topics.
After reading Bat Ye’or, Andrew Bostom, and Robert Spencer: the welcoming of, and voluntary, peaceful conversion to, Islam by conquered peoples; and the glorious achievements of medieval Islamic civilzation, appear no more than myths.
The conquered peoples - Armenians, Greeks, Persians, Byzantines, Jews, Christians, Indians…are the ones whose achievements were used, enjoyed…co-opted, if you will.
For decades, I’ve heard the names of only two - two - Islamic thinkers brought up over and over and over again: Avicenna and Averroes.
I have neither the time nor the resources right now to present overwhelming evidence.
My point is that, in the same way as we are coming more and more to be skeptical when we hear about the “glorious, multireligious, peaceful Andalusian civilization”, and about the “religion of peace”, blah, blah, blah; we should be at least a bit more skeptical when we hear about the
“glorious medieval Islamic civilization and its great cultural,scientific, etc. achievements” than we currently are.
Remember, even though they are called “arabic” numerals in everyday parlance, our numerals actually came from India.
In fact, when I was a lad in school, I was taught BOTH names for these numerals from the beginning - “arabic”, AND “Hindu”.
Thank you soap ( and a big hug for the little soap bubble grandbaby). I should have said, if he FELT that they were tempting him sexually. You see,
there’s a big difference in what is actual and what a debauched brain thinks
is happening. It’s like that judge up north, back in the early nineties that
felt the male relative was justified in sexually abusing the five year old
because, ” she’s was acting sexual around him.” I kid you not. That is what
the judge said and I have always wondered how safe his female relatives
were with him around.
What!!!???!?!? Who… when… where? That is totally ludicrous. I was barely not yet a teen in the early 90s, what is this case? What a horrible
judgeperson.#86: On January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Al in St. Lou said:
“Christian Arabs commit “honor” killings in Egypt, and probably throughout the Near East and Middle East. It’s cultural. I’ve read that it was happening before Mohammed. So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion. I don’t know whether non-Arab Muslims commit “honor” killings.”
“So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion.”
Wow!
What a stretch.
I guess it would be reasonable not to be careful on 3rd story roofs, or not to wear a parachute when bailing out of a plane, or to smoke 4-5 packs of cigarettes a day for 70-80 years, because there have been instances of people surviving a fall from a 3rd story roof, of people surviving a fall from an airplane without a parachute, and of people being hale and hearty with a smoking history of 280-400 pack-years.
As usual I’m late…but I don’t see this as hard to interpret, clearly it was the Dad who was referred to:
Not the son.
Translation: “I’m a Muslim who hates America. My sisters dated infidels and deserved to die by my father’s hand. Religion (Islam) did not cause my heroic father to kill my sisters. You infidels dating my sisters and your culture I hate forced my father’s hand. Therefore, it’s your fault not ours that my sisters are dead. It had nothing to do with father or religion (Islam).”
No Problem TXRose - hugs on the way. I just didn’t want to see YOU get pounced on as well. Seems there are some who think this blog is about finding someone who may have said something wrong and calling them out!
You are in good compnay as Michelle gets hammered (not drunk) every day!
that was sarcasm yesterday
I know. And AJ’s was sarcasm today.
Egad! My head is spinning. Everyone please go get something to drink, take a walk, and breathe!
/begin sarc
Rusty. AJ. Everyone! Go to your rooms and wait until dinner is ready.
/end sarc
Let’s at least pretend to be civil adults here.
Are you high? who’s upset? lol, if you think something you say to me will upset me you’re sorely mistaken and in need of a brain scan, meds or both.
The only one’s I have any sympathy for are the murdered kids,if the girls friends knew they were in danger I’m sure the family did also and chose to do nothing. Have a nice day.
Are you kidding? That’s got to be worse than waterboarding for AJ!
Is it possible that this killing is not related to religion/culture? Yes, but unlikely
Is it possible that Rusty could ever agree with anything Michelle writes? Yes, but unlikely
My point is that “honor” killings, and for that matter female genital mutilation, are practiced by members of certain cultures no matter which religion they follow. Maybe Islam has been used to spread these barbaric practices to other parts of the world, but what do we gain by improperly attributing these barbaric acts to a religion? One thing we lose is that we forget that non-Muslim members of these cultures commit these exact same barbaric acts
faux news alert:
Yaser Abdel Said, the father suspected of murdering his two teenage daughters in Texas was recently spotted riding the ferry in Seattle.
Seattle P-I reports he is planning to turn himself in as soon as anti-muslim sentiments diminish.
Naw, he has food stashed everywhere!
Update: $10,000 Reward offered
Per DallasNews.com
Sorry. The semi-tyrannical, benevolent-dictatorial father of 13 in me came out for a few minutes. Sometimes, we all need to just go to our corners and relax for a short spell.
My apologies, especially, to Michelle, for usurping “parental” authority on her site. Michelle, if you forgive me, please say so.
Now, anyone who is able to be nice can come out of their rooms and enjoy the weekend. (Oops. Dad’s taking over again!)
Thanks for the link atxcowgirl. Schepp’s dairy is really great about offering
rewards. I just wish there wasn’t a reason to do so.
Raisedright. I do not remember the case or the judge’s name. I just remember
that we were all outraged about the judge’s remarks and frankly, I was just
becoming aware of nambla, etc at the time and wondered if he was possibly a
member. It didn’t stay in the public eye for long and I was not on line, nor did
I work with computers as yet, so, I didn’t keep up with it as I should have and
that is my shortcoming.
Granite #87, you may be onto something here — though I’ll defend myself by saying I was taught that Muslims had contributed to many things in public school. I do know there were some decent things built by the Moors, the Alhambra for example. And Muslims are credited with the invention of Algebra. I had not considered before that maybe they co-opted much of what they take credit for.
In the future I’ll add a disclaimer — This Commenter is a product of Public Education. (In Florida)
Of course it wasnt religion.
Maybe he was preventing the daughters from exposing the father and brother for sexually molestating them, or maybe he was just mugging his own daughters, or maybe his gun accidentally weant off multiple times and just happened to hit the 2 girls.
CAIR is full of scum. The 9-11 Mooselimb death squads are scum. Those honor murdering Mooselimbs, and those who support them are scum. Get the bloddy scum out of this country.
Go with them Rusty. I am confident you will have freedom of speech under the rule of scum, I mean moon god worship, I mean Satan worship. You get the picture.
ROPMA
Check out this article. It’s written by a Yemeni columnist and justifies violence by fathers and husbands against wives, daughters and sisters. It actually ridicules the idea of women going to the police and reporting violence against the. And the justification is the Quran and to “preserve the morals and principles with which Islam has honored us.”
http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1117&p=community&a=6
Pretty appropriate given this topic. I got it from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com. Excellent site.
As has been already noted on here, if you have a problem with the Western lifestyle, why the frick do you come to live here?
I long for the days when I had no idea what Islam was.
The Omni where they found the girl’s bodies is probably less than 10 miles from DFW airport. That, and the fact that the feds are involved would lead me to believe he fled the State if not the country.
At this point, it sounds like the father planned this in advance. And that it was indeed an honor killing.
In Texas, that adds up to premeditated murder. I hope they catch the bastard and bring him back here for a trial.
Don’t hold back, Letherneck, tell us how you really feel.
As to what Rusty brought up earlier, the actions and words of groups like CAIR happen to add fuel to the thoughts of some of us on this site about the probable complicity of the son. We’ve seen them acting as apologists for terrible actions in the past, so if the son turns out to be scum, it wouldn’t be out of character.
That link is powerful Matty. I am a little confused as to why, when a man leaves
the marital bed, the wife gets a beating. Perhaps I need to go back and reread
that paragraph. I do know the author does not like our society and it does,
over and over, beg the question…what the hades are they doing leaving the
middle east if they want to continue living the same way they lived there?
Anyone with half a brain knows that young people are going to gravitate toward
their peers. I do know they dug up a female teenager in Dallas that goes through life all covered up and she came across as pious to the point of entering the church had she been Catholic. This is the unusual in teenagers,
not the usual.
I remember a reporter, I think, that tells of being in Palestine and having a
rather young teenager holding him at gunpoint. The kid then verbally
assails him with all that is wrong with the US. At the end of his harangue, the boy says, and when I get my visa I’m going to Michigan to study to be a
dentist. Pretty well sums the entire situation up. I have a friend that told me
her husband had been married three times to American women but their
marriage is the only one he considers lawful because they are both Muslims
and married through the Mosque. I asked her once if he ever beat her and
she said he had “when I needed it.” She seemed shocked that I was shocked
and told me not to worry about it because she no longer gave him reason to
beat her. I asked if he had beaten their daughter, who was 10 at the time and she said no, he was too crazy about her and besides, she told him she
would go to the police if he ever hit their daughter. In other words, he could
hit her but not the child.
#106 On January 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, SHoward said:
“…a product of Public Education.”
Hehe…no sweat, SHoward; I’m a public school alum and high school Harry myself - HS 1970; state university 1974…a few years after the goofy ideas had seeped into educationists’ mindsets, and before they’d had a chance to destroy public education.
I got a great education;
I was never impressed by preppies;
I was never impressed by Ivy League classmates in medical school.
Not saying that I was better prepared than they were; but, I am saying that they were in no way better prepared than I was.
Such a shame about public education today….
But, we’re a bit OT.
Yes, any bragging that present-day Egyptians might do about the Pyramids, or the Sphinx, or Luxor; or that present-day Turks might do about the archaeological digging at the site of ancient Troy; would be no different than Hitler’s bragging about the Eiffel Tower in 1940; nor than Lenin’s bragging about Tschaicovsky’s music in 1917.
Thanks, Rose. I’ve seen the topic of how husbands should discipline their wives discussed on several al-Jazeera shows translated by MEMRI (I think I’ve seen them at LGF). As I understand, the first steps of a husband trying to discipline his wife is to ignore her and leave the marital bed. How that’s a punishment for her, I’m not sure.
But after that, if she continues to screw up (insert your own definition of “screw up”) then he can move to “light” beatings.
I don’t care to follow a god that allows you to beat (or, you know, shoot to death )someone you supposedly love. I prefer a God who expects you to love and honor the person who helps you weather the trials of life. But what do I know?
I agree, Matty. I always thought that when you married, you became
partners and worked together. I can state that if my husband ever
decided that I deserved a good beating, whether the stick was as big
around as his thumb or not, he would not get out of the experience
unscathed. If nothing else, he would be in police custody which the
author of the article seems to find totally unnecessary or unsatisfactory.
You’ll find him in a small village in Egypt, receiving praise from the local cleric of the “religion of peace”. But, religion had nothing to do with it.
#115 On January 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm, TXRose said:
I agree, Matty. I always thought that when you married, you became
partners and worked together. I can state that if my husband ever
decided that I deserved a good beating, whether the stick was as big
around as his thumb or not, he would not get out of the experience
unscathed. If nothing else, he would be in police custody which the
author of the article seems to find totally unnecessary or unsatisfactory.
Amen to that, TXRose.
I can tell you that, if I had ever raised a hand to my wife (now at 30+ years): never mind my father in-law, who would have clobbered me; but MY father would have kicked the living hell out of me.
He got help, I’ll bet. Likely another cab driving buddy got him to DFW in time for his flight to the ME.
Now I hear the Mother and the son are both in hiding. There may have been
threats made to him as well as Mom, and both daughters. This man may be
even more seriously deranged than it originally seemed he was. I wouldn’t put it
past him to have gotten help from another taxi driver because in the middle east,
taxi drivers often aid in honor killings.
You know, it’s not as if we don’t already have too many killings in this country, now they have to bring this sick @#$% here.
Knowing what we do about this man and the ROP, he’d probably enjoy that.
There.
The Omni may have shuttles to the airport, he may have hopped on one of those. If so there would be video. I think the Dallas police would know what to do with video as opposed to say - Columbia University.
I don’t like commenting on these murders which I am sure will be happening with increasing frequency as the “footprint” of Islam grows everr larger in America. The stories are just too depressing. But here is my take: not too long ago I read one of Robert Spencer’s pieces that stated honor killings are not mentioned in the Koran — one way or another. The implication was that honor killings were just one of those cultural things that was picked up at the time, like slavery, and that no one dared question, at least if they wanted to live, as Islam rapidly and violently grew from the 7th century onward.
The problem is that Islam is more than a religion — it is a religious and cultural and political program that is sold as encompassing every aspect of the believer’s thinking and actions. He need go nowhere else. There is the Koran and there are the supplementary works and traditions and that is all you will ever need in your life.
Now truly moderate, peaceful Muslims could attack honor killings without being disrespectful to the Koran. However, they would, as I am sure they are aware, come into conflict with other aspects of Islam. The risk is real but it has to be taken. Let’s face it: Islam is brutal towards women and children, and even if there are no verses in the Koran dealing with honor killings, there are plenty of others that would easily be interpreted as implying that such would not be reasonable extension.
It’s a terrible situation and I hope there are in fact moderate, peaceful Muslims who would work with the West to put an end to this barbarism. But as the power of Islam grows, one is ill-advised to hold one’s breath in anticipation.
Don’t let anyone kid you, but most moderate Muslims are scared to death to
speak out because they know just what could happen to them if more
fanatical Muslims turn against them. They know that they and their entire
families could be wiped out. I doubt if we will ever get very many to stand
against radical Islam..even here in the US.
Well, I am very late to this discussion. Very busy day but I must say AJ is right and Rusty should catch a flight to the Kingdom and spout his vile there. I’ve had it with this Religion of Peace. There are no moderate muslsims that I have ever seen.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Stop all muslim immigration, find the ones that are overstaying their visas and send them packing. We don’t need these scumbags here at all.
Just my opinion which I believe I am entitled to express at least until the Shari’a law is imposed. Right???
In my eyes the Religion of Pieces has an awful lot of problems and I would really love to see a 10-year moratorium on any more Muslims immigrating, or getting F, H or L visas - but these “honor killings” are a sad part of culture in the parts of the world where Islam is prevalent.
Wasn’t there recently a case in California where an East Indian killed his daughter because she married below her caste?
We need to pick our battlegrounds carefully folks.
It was either CA or Chicago. He killed her, her husband and their child.
I don’t know if that is an honor killing. It could be just one p@#$%d off
father.
We do need to pick our battles and battlegrounds carefully, but wherever
they are, they will be bloody.
Those who want to defend Muslims would want to live under Shari law. Remember Rusty I imagine the Muslims would outlaw posting comments here if we had Muslim law. I am only waiting for the partakers of that religion to start bombing public places and then the liberals well defend their motives for doing that. I will not be surprized and I will not submit.
But I don’t think any real change will come until these “moderates” rise up and protest. Problem in my mind is that I wonder how many moderates actually do disagree or if indeed there are any moderates. One read comments on this all over the world from Muslims and they make excuses for all kinds of beastly behavior from other Muslims.
I have to strongly disagree with Rusty and don’t understand why he railed on AJ as he did, especially since AJ’s views are held by most here.
Yasser Arrafat was not a terrorist he was just misunderstood.
(in english)
Osama Bin Laden is not a terrorist, He just want’s to give us a little love tap.(with a car bomb)
Saddam Hussien was not a brutal dictator, He was just working for world peace.(thru it’s destruction)
Give me a break, the religion of Satin has reared it’s ugly head once again, If you can’t realize this and give a low life and his son covering his father’s track’s the benefit of the doubt then you need to join up with them. The only information I need is two smart,beautiful girl’s assimilating to America murdered by there radical Muslim father and the son that hold’s his allegance to his father and not his sister’s. I would’nt doubt it if he drove his father to the airport. You can put what ever label you want on them, Silky Soft Muslim’s, Mellow Muslim’s, their is no difference they all read from the Koran the book of vile, death and destruction. Peice loving? yes they will love us only if we are all in piece’s.
I do know moderates. Unfortunately, they know radicals and know how radicals
react. As one friend said, ” I can’t have my children at the mercy of these people.”
I also suspect her husband is more radical than I have been allowed to see because
she wants to become a citizen and he won’t let her. He is a naturalized citizen
and votes but she cannot become a citizen and he says that if she goes against
him he will take the children and go back to Egypt and give them to his parents.
We don’t know what goes on in their households. We don’t have any idea what goes on in their Mosques. In other words, we have allowed them to come here and
live secret lives right in the middle of us.
She married Yaser Said when she was 15 and had tried to leave him several
times over the years but was afraid of him. The son said he wanted his
father to turn himself in because he has “really messed up the family.” This
will be on America’s Most Wanted tomorrow night.
TXRose I have great respect for your opinion and you may think you know them but the fact is if it came between you and their religion they would throw the last stone that would kill you. I know several converted Muslim’s to Christianity and all of them where raised from child hood in Muslim countries, came to the U.S. have seen the light of Jesus and who he really was (not just a prophet but the Son of God)and converted from this vile religion, I believe them when they tell me there is no difference, Islam, no matter what you call it, is evil and not of the Christian God. Their word’s not mine.
I don’t have any illusions, Blind_Mule. I would never put mine or my family’s
safety in their hands and I have quite a few converted friends (mostly Lebanese) who would rather they were all deported. I am just saying that
there are some who are not as radical as others. It may be that this is like
being a little bit psychotic….I do think that a couple of the women I know
would like to live differently but they were raised to obey men and won’t
divorce because I have a feeling there would be more honor killings if they
did. It is a vile way of life and my husband has always said that the next
world war will be in the middle east.
Now Britney’s lost her kids, again, and she’s on lockdown for the next 72 hours in the hospital.
No need to watch cable news since that pretty much sums up what you’ll be seeing for the next 3 days.
Religion had nothing to do with it,since he was not a devout Muslem.
Perhaps he did not look into his Koran and pray to Allah 5 times a day to give him the guidance to murder his children.
It probably was insanity–insanity brought on by indoctrination into a death cult,devout or not.
BTW-Islam is not a religion,it is a political entity,so religion could not have anything to do with it.Iguess what I’m really saying is -any one who accepts the precepts of Islam is already f***ing crazy.
trinitytim, what do you propose doing, if anything, about Muslims who are US citizens?
The latest from the Dallas News:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/010608dnmetfunerals.216ceab.html
Some observations:
The article more or less confirms that they mother fled the home with the girls on Christmas Eve because the father had threatened to kill the girls over who they were dating;
The differences reported in the eulogies is astounding. The Christian service talks of life and good. The Islamic service says that all things die, and that parents need to work to keep families together. In other words, s–t happens, and it is probably the mother’s fault for breaking up the household.
The silence from the Muslim community. Ironic that a small dairy here has put up a $10,000 reward and no Muslim group has contributed a dime.