The search for Yaser Abdel Said

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 4, 2008 11:52 AM

The manhunt continues for the father suspected of murdering his two teenage daughters in Texas. His son called on the man to surrender–and he denies that the suspected honor killings have anything to do with religion:

The brother of two teenage girls who police believe were killed by their father this week pleaded Thursday night for his dad to surrender to authorities.

“I never thought this would happen,” said Islam Said, 19. “Tell him to turn himself in.”

Yaser Abdel Said, a 50-year-old cabdriver, is being sought in the deaths of Amina Yaser Said, 18, and Sarah Yaser Said, 17. The Lewisville High School students were found shot to death in a taxi at an Irving hotel Tuesday night.

Islam Said and his mother appeared at a candlelight vigil in honor of the girls outside the high school Thursday night. Dozens of students and teachers gathered around pink posters decorated with pictures of the smiling sisters and signed with messages for the girls, described as well-liked students who played tennis and soccer and excelled in Advanced Placement courses.

Mr. Said also disputed widespread rumors and media reports that his Muslim father’s religion may have been part of the motive.

“It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

Federal officials are part of the manhunt, but there are no leads and no progress. Said may have left the country.

I’ll leave you with this:

Zohair Zaidi, a close friend of Sarah’s, said she told him her father had recently threatened to harm Amina when he discovered she had a boyfriend.

“Her dad has always been oppressive with her and her sister,” said Mr. Zaidi, 18.

“She said that one day when she came home – the day he found out about Amina’s boyfriend – he told Sarah, ‘I’m going to put a bullet through Amina’s head, and you better get used to her because she’s not going to be around much longer.’ ”

One of the sisters called 911 from a cellphone around 7:30 p.m. Tuesday. She said she was dying, according to an Irving police report. Police traced the call to O’Connor Road and Riverside Drive, where police initially did not find the caller.

An hour later, police received another call about two unconscious females in a taxi at a service entrance of the Omni Mandalay Hotel. Police located the vehicle and found the sisters, who died of multiple gunshot wounds.

“The victims’ mother provided information that pointed to the victims’ father as the suspect,” the Irving police report said.

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  1. #208953
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    By all means, enlighten us and let us know what this is all about.

  2. #208955
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am, ACHefty said:

    Religion has nothing to do with it.

    Horseradish!

    I’ve not seen “honor” killings from any other religion. If you really believe that, prove it.

  3. #208957
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am, TexasTiger said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    Riiiiiiiight.

  4. #208959
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am, cpodug said:

    Mr. Said also disputed widespread rumors and media reports that his Muslim father’s religion may have been part of the motive.

    Of course religion doesn’t have anything to do with it – remember, we’re talking about the “Religion of Peace” here.

    /sarc

  5. #208960
    On January 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am, katieanne said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    I believe I will take the impressions of the girls’ friends over the son.

  6. #208963
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    There are reports floating around that the father is not a devout Muslim. Which makes this case all the more bizarre. Why would he do such a thing? Something drove him to and by all accounts it was their dating preferences or the simple fact that they were dating at all.

  7. #208964
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, Boomer said:

    My watch just quit working it can on handle so much BS. Nothing to see here move along religion of peace and all that.

  8. #208966
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ajmontana said:

    Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.

  9. #208968
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, TexasTiger said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    Sure it doesn’t. A lot of non-Muslim fathers kill their daughters because they have boyfriends. You should see the lines at funeral homes during prom season.

  10. #208970
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, MrC_5150 said:

    Yaser Abdel Said, a 50-year-old cabdriver, is being sought in the deaths of Amina Yaser Said, 18, and Sarah Yaser Said, 17.

    Jeez, another case of “Sudden Deranged Cab Driver Syndrome”?

  11. #208971
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, MrC_5150 said:

    Jeez, another case of “Sudden Deranged Cab Driver Syndrome”?

    That should have read “Sudden Deranged Muslim Cab Driver Syndrome”

  12. #208972
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, granite said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    ‘Course not…what could we be thinking?

  13. #208975
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, nyc123me said:

    Sure it’s not religion, it’s culture – the culture of religion, and not just any religion..

  14. #208976
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, granite said:

    (Sorry to pile on, but sometimes it is the thing to do.)

    How gullible do we appear?

    What next?

    Are we going to be told, “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”?

  15. #208977
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, RaisedRight said:

    I have to say, I’m a bit disappointed with the comments so far.
    It definitely does sound like an honor killing, I thought that from the beginning, when I first heard about this case. However, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that there was something else behind this. The fact that Said is Muslim and honor killings are a very real thing in the Muslim world does not mean that there can be no other story behind these terrible murders. It sounds like the son might have some specific motive in mind. I’m willing to wait and see what other details come up.

  16. #208978
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, TXRose said:

    First, the Mother is an American. Second, if the Father didn’t kill the because, as the Mother and son both said earlier, the girls were dating outside of their religion, then what was the reason? Did he have incestuous
    feelings for the girls? Is he just crazy and wants to kill all of the females
    related to him and that is why the Mother is in hiding?
    To me, dating outside of the religion as a reason for murder=religion.

  17. #208979
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, RaisedRight said:

    That said, I really do believe it was an honor killing. Just playing devil’s advocate I guess.

  18. #208980
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.

  19. #208981
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, coldfront said:

    “It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    IT IS RELIGION!!!
    &
    SOMEONE NEEDS TO BEAT THE SHT OUTTA’HIM!!!
    & then leave him to GOD!

    There are reports floating around that the father is not a devout Muslim.

    ahhhhhhh…………that is the beauty of islam….’devout’ has nothing to do w/ familial jihad!….fixed that.

  20. #208983
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, cpodug said:

    Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.

    And perhaps pigs will fly, too.

  21. #208984
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm, granite said:

    #15 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, RaisedRight said:

    ]
    “However, it is possible (not necessarily likely, but possible) that there was something else behind this.”

    “I’m willing to wait and see what other details come up.”

    Yes and yes.

    But:
    “…I’m a bit disappointed with the comments so far.”

    I’m not.

    This is not a court of law.
    We bloggers are expressing hunches and opinions…not presenting testimony and evidence.

    “It definitely does sound like an honor killing, I thought that from the beginning, when I first heard about this case.”

    Exactly.

    As we say in medicine, “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.”

    And, I occasionally add…,”…nor unicorns.”

  22. #208985
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm, RaisedRight said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
    Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.

    Didn’t you hear? The honorable thing to do after a Islam-motivated murder is to run off and hide in the hills.

  23. #208988
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    His son called on the man %#&$%#^%#$#@ to surrender

    Not feeling like getting banned this early in the year but I just had to do something with that.

  24. #208989
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, Rusty said:

    Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.

    Hey, AJ, back off. This kid just lost his sisters and, for all intents and purposes, his father. So calling him “scum” is a bit much, don’t you think?

    You are being a jerk.

    Are “honor killings” a huge problem in the Muslim world? Of course. But unless one of you oh so bright commenters has some inside information you’d be willing to share, back the Hell off.

    For all we know, this guy was a raving loon. Or an abuser. Or had incestuous feelings. Or it was a religion thing. But Islam Said has a much better idea than anyone commenting on this site, including me.

    So give him a break and offer him your best wishes for the horrible tragedy he just endures instead of calling him “scum” or accusing him of lying.

  25. #208990
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, ajmontana said:

    YOU MEAN CAVES…

  26. #208991
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    From the Star Telegram:

    Patricia Said and her daughters quit their jobs at a Kroger grocery store in Lewisville just before Christmas, a company spokesman said.
    Yaser Abdel Said filed a missing-person report Dec. 26. He hoped police would help track down his wife, according to a report by KDFW/Channel 4.

    Domestic problems.

    Sounds like the mother disappeared, doesn’t say when she reappeared. But did she take off and leave the daughters with the father?

    More details, too many more questions unanswered.

  27. #208996
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    Maybe I was talking about the father rusty, but as far as I’m concerned he’s scum for denying it… it’s bull.. not backing off of anything.

  28. #208998
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, Oh-nO said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
    Perhaps he’ll do the honorable thing and turn himself in.
    The honorable(cowardly)thing to do in the islamic belief is to blow himself up and receive 72 virgins. I hope 2 of them are his daughters.

  29. #208999
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, Rusty said:

    You are being a jerk.

    That’s royal!

  30. #209004
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, Rusty said:

    I mean, I am trying to refrain from bad language, but…

    Calling some anonymous moron a “jerk” is better than calling someone who just lost 60% of his family “scum.”

    To be honest, I kind of hope I get some back up on this. Because ajmontana is so far beyond the pale that it’s distressing. He’s either a monster or a dolt.

  31. #209006
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, sfcmac said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, Rusty said:
    Hey, AJ, back off. This kid just lost his sisters and, for all intents and purposes, his father. So calling him “scum” is a bit much, don’t you think?

    Are “honor killings” a huge problem in the Muslim world? Of course. But unless one of you oh so bright commenters has some inside information you’d be willing to share, back the Hell off.

    For all we know, this guy was a raving loon. Or an abuser. Or had incestuous feelings. Or it was a religion thing. But Islam Said has a much better idea than anyone commenting on this site, including me.

    So give him a break and offer him your best wishes for the horrible tragedy he just endures instead of calling him “scum” or accusing him of lying.

    Oh yeah, let’s chalk up Said’s slaughter of his own kids up to a bad day at the office. He’s crazy, alright, an a muslim kinda way. His control-freak behavior has a religion-based pattern to it. GO BACK AND READ the statements from family and friends about his hatred of “Western ways” and his aneurism over his daughter’s adaptations. Don’t expect me to “back off”, puddin’.

  32. #209007
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, RaisedRight said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm, granite said:
    But:
    “…I’m a bit disappointed with the comments so far.”

    I’m not.

    This is not a court of law.
    We bloggers are expressing hunches and opinions…not presenting testimony and evidence.

    I understand that. I’m not disappointed at the opinions of the people on this site, I agree for the most part. I just didn’t love the way some people were expressing things. I am certainly no Muslim apologist, I just think this sad, disturbing case requires a bit more info.

  33. #209009
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Rusty said:

    AJ, I hope if tragedy strikes you or your family, that some anonymous person doesn’t call you or your family bad names. One would think that would be a common courtesy.

  34. #209010
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, Dandapani said:

    How many Muslim immigrant taxi cab drivers do we really need in the USA?

  35. #209012
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, ajmontana said:

    Rusty think what you want I dont care. If you chose to call me names go for it. your opinion of me means zippo.

  36. #209014
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, ajmontana said:

    now you back off, I’ve heard enough from you rusty.

  37. #209016
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, ajmontana said:

    it wasn’t a tragedy, it was a MURDER! by a father and his stupid son is trying to protect him and keep it on the hush.

  38. #209018
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, ajmontana said:

    out…

  39. #209021
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Rusty said:
    AJ, I hope if tragedy strikes you or your family, that some anonymous person doesn’t call you or your family bad names. One would think that would be a common courtesy.

    You mean common courtesy like:

    Jerk
    Monster
    Dolt

    You back off pal.

  40. #209022
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, granite said:

    #27: On January 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    “Maybe I was talking about the father rusty, but as far as I’m concerned he’s scum for denying it… it’s bull.. not backing off of anything.”

    aj, I thought you WERE talking about the father.

    When did you ever call the brother scum?!?!?!?!

    However, now that the brother has been brought up, let’s see what the full results of the investigation show.
    If I am not mistaken, from reports of other Muslim “honor” killings, brothers are not unknown to have helped lure their sisters back to the father to their (sisters’) demise…or, indeed, even to have helped the father carry out the act.

    And no, I do not have citations at the ready…day job, you know.

    My point is that police should check into whether the brother had anything to do with this.
    If he did not, then fine.
    But it would be an error not to investigate the possibility.

    Finally, lest I forget, you stick to your guns, aj.

  41. #209023
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, granite said:

    #32 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, RaisedRight said:

    “…I just think this sad, disturbing case requires a bit more info.”

    Agreed!!

  42. #209025
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, SHoward said:

    I’d like to rise in unanimus support and consent of AJ…..

  43. #209026
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    I second that emotion

  44. #209028
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, ctisa said:

    Boy these “religion of peace” people have a lot of anger issues!

  45. #209029
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Third, followed by a condemnation of Rusty’s assaults.

  46. #209030
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, granite said:

    #30: On January 4th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, Rusty said:

    “Because ajmontana is so far beyond the pale that it’s distressing. He’s either a monster or a dolt.”

    #33 On January 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, Rusty said:

    “AJ, I hope if tragedy strikes you or your family, that some anonymous person doesn’t call you or your family bad names. One would think that would be a common courtesy.”

    Whooooaaaaa!!!

    As we used to say back in the 70s, hang in there, Rusty!
    Sheesh!

  47. #209032
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, granite said:

    #’s 43 & 45:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, atxcowgirl said:
    I second that emotion

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    Third, followed by a condemnation of Rusty’s assaults.

    You folks beat me to it.
    Agreed!

  48. #209033
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Aj, has nothing to worry about from Rusty. Can’t we all just get along?

    :-)

    For the record, I support aj as well.

  49. #209035
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Rusty said:

    Why should I give someone the courtesy to treat them with respect when he/she is calling a victim whose life was torn apart “scum”?

    Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.

    If AJ is talking about the father, fine, the father is clearly scum. But that doesn’t appear to be what he is saying. It’s the teenager here who is saying that it wasn’t a religious thing. He is the one defending his religion (while, notably, not defending his father).

    Out of bounds.

    And I love that AJ got so upset that I brought up how he would like people to speak of him and his family if something terrible were to happen. It’s ok for you to do, but not for others. Right. If you have such a problem with the way others talk about you, maybe you should think about how you talk about others.

  50. #209036
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, RaisedRight said:

    Rusty – I don’t know…

    (First, I thought aj’s first comment was in reference to the father. But, let’s say it was about the son.)

    It is not proven that these were honor killings, but so far all signs point in that direction. If (and I did say if) the son is covering for his father’s heinous crime, than I would have to agree that he is scum.

    If the son really knows the motive to be something else, I hope he is talking to the cops and doing everything possible to illuminate the situation.

    Not knowing all the facts, perhaps aj’s comment was too strong, but I must admit that my initial reaction to it was to nod and move on. I have no tolerance for “honor” killers.

    I think your point would have been much better made if you had not jumped to calling aj names like jerk, monster, and dolt. I certainly cannot back you up on this.

    Just one girl’s humble opinion.

  51. #209043
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:56 pm, cpodug said:

    30 pcs of silver: Can’t we all just get along?

    AJ is just like a good umpire – he calls ‘em the way he sees ‘em. Rusty just likes to argue with the ump, that’s all. Of course, I’ll take the ump’s call every time over the fan who’s sitting up in Bob Ueker’s “Front row(euphemistically called the top shelf)”

    Just keep calling them balls and strikes, AJ.

  52. #209044
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:56 pm, nyc123me said:

    Rusty, I’m pretty sure I already read earlier that the wife had said that the husband took this action because the daughters were dating outside of their religion. Another article said outside of their caste as opposed to religion. If your argument is that it’s culture as opposed to religion, then there is little difference, as it is the religion that drives that culture. The son is not scum unless he was party to the crime, but I think AJ was referring to the father as scum, not the son.

  53. #209045
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, puhiawa said:

    Death by Muslim.
    Are there any Muslims who do abuse women and children?

  54. #209046
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, vitoon said:

    If not religion, then what? Cultural? We don’t need people like that here. What a waste. The girls sound like they were really well adjusted. I pray my daughter does as well. Soccer, Tennis, AP courses… What a shame!

  55. #209047
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Just one girl’s humble opinion.

    No, I think everyone’s opinion. What makes this whole threadjack funny is Rusty calling for back-up and getting none and the idea he is thinking for AJ.

    But that doesn’t appear to be what he is saying.

    Priceless.

  56. #209048
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, granite said:

    #50:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, RaisedRight said:

    “I think your point would have been much better made if you had not jumped to calling aj names like jerk, monster, and dolt.”

    I agree with you, RaisedRight.
    Rusty’s “jumpING to name-calling” sure looks an awful lot like what aj is being accused of.

  57. #209049
    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, puhiawa said:

    nyc123me
    Ms Wong, a classmate likewise stated the girls lived in constant fear of their father because of his religion. As did the boy friend.

  58. #209051
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, puhiawa said:

    Denmark has 10 honor crimes a month. All by Muslims.

  59. #209055
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, vickisoup said:

    I’m with you, RaisedRight #15. I tried to make this argument yesterday, but there was no interest in being patient to learn the facts, or to focus on the tragedy, and the pain the rest of this family is going through.

  60. #209057
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:

    Rusty’s right, if a bit over the top, And I thank him for having the courage to stand up. Honestly, the way you people are going after him, you’d think he said something bad about Fred Thompson.

    As far as the son is concerned, he’s calling on his father to surrender. Isn’t that a good thing? He’s also probably deep in denial about a lot of things, including Islam’s role in the killings. At this point, there’s no reason to condemn him.

  61. #209058
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, nyc123me said:

    Rusty = Radiojoe1470? LOL.

  62. #209059
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, granite said:

    #60: On January 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:

    “As far as the son is concerned, he’s calling on his father to surrender….At this point, there’s no reason to condemn him.

    Will somebody PLEASE show us where and by whom the son has been condemned?
    Please?!

  63. #209061
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Radio,
    That’s just it. Nobody was going after the son. Aj was referring to the father. Rusty misunderstood and now you are too. This isn’t that difficult to figure out.

    But just as Aj said, the son should be doing all he can to ensure that his father is caught. If he is hindering the investigation in any way… that makes him scum. This is the court of public opinion and we may not get it right all of the time. However, chastising someone when you misunderstood (and do not own up to it!)is a surefire way to get the crowd to turn against you.

  64. #209062
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Rusty’s right, if a bit over the top, And I thank him for having the courage to stand up.

    Stand up for what.

    Condemn one person for name calling and then unleashing his barrage? Wrong
    Thinking for AJ? Wrong.

    Good call.

    Ummm, it seems like there were people around who knew these girls lived in fear. Maybe (just maybe) the brother knew as well or is his head up something? Maybe there are some dirty little secrets in the house?

    Rusty does not know how honorable the son is. Rusty is making an assumption (as we all may be). This stinks of an honor killing and it has everything to do with the religion. If the son is denying that, we should take a long hard look at the son too.

  65. #209063
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, cpodug said:

    and do not own up to it

    The mark of a REAL man(pardon me, 30pcs) is to admit your mistakes, accept whatever consequences are forthcoming, and move on.

    This “man” means to defend his misconceptions to the very death, it appears.

    Please, gang, let’s not feed the trolls any more. Thanks

  66. #209065
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I cannot believe how silent the MSM is on this…we cannot even lean on Fox for coverage. What in the heck is going on?

  67. #209067
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, Bob Mc said:

    If it wasn’t religious, it was cultural, and (some say) that makes it OK.

  68. #209069
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
    I cannot believe how silent the MSM is on this…we cannot even lean on Fox for coverage. What in the heck is going on?

    B. Spears is drunk.

    I hope that helped.

  69. #209070
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    IT’s Friday!

  70. #209072
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I see. I should have known. It really has turned into tabloid TV. I can’t tell you the last time I watched any shows on Fox. No offense Michelle, but when you are on, I am at work and cannot watch anyway.

  71. #209073
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, walterc said:

    Rusty said:
    Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.
    If AJ is talking about the father, fine, the father is clearly scum. But that doesn’t appear to be what he is saying. It’s the teenager here who is saying that it wasn’t a religious thing. He is the one defending his religion (while, notably, not defending his father).

    I think what AJ was referring to was the honor killing in Canada a few weeks ago where a spokseman for the Canadian version of CAIR said the murder wasn’t about religion, just teenager problems. I don’t think AJ was referring to the brother in regards to the “this is a teenager thing”.

    Just the way I was reading it.

    BTW the brother in Canada also helped the father strangle the sister for wearing “Western” clothes. So this brother coming out and saying it’s not about religion may indicate more of a role in events leading up to if not the actual murders than he’s willing to admit.

  72. #209076
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:

    Nope. I have no clue who Rusty is.

    I agree it’s not clear who AJ was refering to in the original post. However, it was very clear, even to AJ what Rusty thought AJ meant, and AJ let it stand. Had he corrected it, I’d be siding with AJ.

  73. #209077
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, SHoward said:

    Maybe Geraldo can come on O’Reilly later and tell us that despite the fact that this stinks of Muslim ‘values,’ its really just about poor quality laws inside the United States. You know, like he does with illegals killing innocent people, those are just bad DUI laws.

    If it is a Muslim thing, then the son is likely complicit, if not guilty as a participant in the crime. This wouldn’t be the first time a Muslim covered for another Muslim.

    This thing is looking, quacking and walking an awful lot like a duck. But maybe the naysayers that have appeared here today are right, and it’s a peacock instead.

  74. #209078
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, walterc said:

    Bullseye! From yesterday:

    Honor killings in Dallas? Muslim father sought in murders of young daughters
    By Michelle Malkin • January 3, 2008 11:27 AM

    On January 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am, Ditkaca said:
    It was just a teenager issue

  75. #209080
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Rusty does not know how honorable the son is. Rusty is making an assumption (as we all may be). This stinks of an honor killing and it has everything to do with the religion. If the son is denying that, we should take a long hard look at the son too.

    The father is reported to have told one of the daughters he was going to kill the other one. Did he also tell the son?

  76. #209086
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, nyc123me said:

    If he (the father) was so distraught, why didn’t he just kill himself?

    Also, I have a problem understanding yet another contradiction in the religion of peace and tolerance – it is dishonorable to kill a woman, yet it is out of homor that you kill a woman (daughters in this case).. please explain.

  77. #209094
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, SHoward said:

    There is no explanation, nyc. These people are generally barbaric, and they do whatever they feel like doing. There is no honor among them, that’s why suicide bombings killing women and children are okay with them. Often, they don’t even follow their own holy book, yet they wish to enforce it on others. They’re animals. That may be why some here are possibly presuming some level of guilt even on the son, because in their homelands, he would likely have helped the father.

  78. #209106
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, uhangtight said:

    it is not religion, yeah, because islam is not a religion, it is a murderous cult from barbaric times that has been allowed to co-exist with modern civilization. what fools we are..

  79. #209108
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, cpodug said:

    SHoward said: These people are generally barbaric

    And yet what makes it even more bizarre is that it was from them we got the concept of “zero.” In addition to mathematics, they were very advanced in astronomy and science, and led the world in these fields for many, many years.

    Oops – my bad. That was before the religion of peace took over.

  80. #209110
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, rworks said:

    #76,

    “Also, I have a problem understanding yet another contradiction in the religion of peace and tolerance – it is dishonorable to kill a woman, yet it is out of homor that you kill a woman (daughters in this case).. please explain.”

    You have to understand that Mohammad (PBUH) pretty much made things up as he went along. One day he has a seizure and says to be nice to the Jews and Christians. Next day he has another seizure and says to kill and/or enslave them. The whole religion is contradictory.

  81. #209115
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, SHoward said:

    Hey, cpo, they gave us AL-JAY-BRA. You tell me one high school student that thinks anything good of them after that!! /sarc off

    You’re right, of course. There once were many great achievements made by the Arab and Persian populations of the Middle East. And you’re right again — then along came the religion of peace (pieces?).

  82. #209118
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, TXRose said:

    From what I understand, the local Imams are allowed to give their congregation
    their own interpretation of the Koran. Hence, the suicide bombers coming out
    of some Mosques and not others. We do not know if Said attended a Mosque,
    but I would bet that if he was having “trouble” with his daughters, whether it
    was religious or if he felt they were tempting him sexually, or whatever, he more than likely talked it over with the Imam and was told that if his right eye
    offended him to pluck it out. It sounds like the Mother and both daughters left,
    he put out a missing persons report on them Christmas Eve and they returned
    home New Years Eve. The Mother is in hiding and came out for the candlelight
    service last night and would not tell where she is staying ( I can’t believe she was asked). She is the one that pointed the police at her husband as the killer.
    I did not know there was a son until last night and he wasn’t referred to on local
    Fox as brother, just as son, but that may not mean anything. When he said the
    killing had nothing to do with religion, but other things, my first thought was,
    he’s protecting Islam. There was a mini interview with a boyfriend that kept his
    back to the camera to protect his identity which may mean that there were some threats made to him.
    Until someone gives me another motive, this reads, in my book, as an honor
    killing.

  83. #209121
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, granite said:

    #72
    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:

    “I agree it’s not clear who(sic) AJ was refering to in the original post.”

    Here’s the original post in question:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ajmontana said:

    “Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.”

    It seems pretty clear to me that aj is referring to the general pass that elite media types, politicians, & diplomats give to Muslims. There is no suggestion that the son was being referred to.

    ‘Course, if one is looking for, and desires to find, ambiguity…say, to start a debate or argument, one could probably find such ambiguity virtually anywhere. Lawyers come to mind. (And we have a kid in law school-who’ll be one of the good guys…trust me.)

    “However, it was very clear, even to AJ what Rusty thought AJ meant, and AJ let it stand. Had he corrected it, I’d be siding with AJ.”

    So what?
    So what if it was very clear that Rusty misunderstood what aj meant?
    So bloody what?

    The burden is on Rusty to understand statements correctly…NOT on aj to make sure that misunderstandings do not stand.

    This “misunderstanding” (accidentally on purpose?) of a statement that appears reasonably clear and easy to understand appears little different from throwing a bomb during a discussion, and then walking away.

  84. #209123
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, sivapragasam said:

    30 pcs of silver
    I cannot believe how silent the MSM is on this…we cannot even lean on Fox for coverage.
    What in the heck is going on?

    See here for reasons
    Honestly, I am thinking about switching over to MSNBC, when Laura Ingraham too stops showing up on Fox.

  85. #209132
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, rworks said:
    The whole religion is contradictory.

    On the contrary. They get around it by taking what came last as being what to live by.

    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, TXRose said:
    or if he felt they were tempting him sexually

    Before you all give her flack, she did NOT mean it this way. The father may have been sexually tempted but it was not the daughters who did the tempting.

    Got your back TXRose.

  86. #209139
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Al in St. Lou said:

    Christian Arabs commit “honor” killings in Egypt, and probably throughout the Near East and Middle East. It’s cultural. I’ve read that it was happening before Mohammed. So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion. I don’t know whether non-Arab Muslims commit “honor” killings.

  87. #209142
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, granite said:

    “There once were many great achievements made by the Arab and Persian populations of the Middle East.”

    Let’s not get too carried away here.

    I had thought this, too; as well, I had read years ago that the populations of the lands conquered by Muslims willingly accepted their new overlords and willingly converted to Islam, because they saw the Muslims as better than their previous situation/overlords…until a number of years ago, when I began to read more on these topics.

    After reading Bat Ye’or, Andrew Bostom, and Robert Spencer: the welcoming of, and voluntary, peaceful conversion to, Islam by conquered peoples; and the glorious achievements of medieval Islamic civilzation, appear no more than myths.

    The conquered peoples – Armenians, Greeks, Persians, Byzantines, Jews, Christians, Indians…are the ones whose achievements were used, enjoyed…co-opted, if you will.
    For decades, I’ve heard the names of only two – two – Islamic thinkers brought up over and over and over again: Avicenna and Averroes.

    I have neither the time nor the resources right now to present overwhelming evidence.
    My point is that, in the same way as we are coming more and more to be skeptical when we hear about the “glorious, multireligious, peaceful Andalusian civilization”, and about the “religion of peace”, blah, blah, blah; we should be at least a bit more skeptical when we hear about the
    “glorious medieval Islamic civilization and its great cultural,scientific, etc. achievements” than we currently are.

    Remember, even though they are called “arabic” numerals in everyday parlance, our numerals actually came from India.
    In fact, when I was a lad in school, I was taught BOTH names for these numerals from the beginning – “arabic”, AND “Hindu”.

  88. #209143
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, TXRose said:

    Thank you soap ( and a big hug for the little soap bubble grandbaby). I should have said, if he FELT that they were tempting him sexually. You see,
    there’s a big difference in what is actual and what a debauched brain thinks
    is happening. It’s like that judge up north, back in the early nineties that
    felt the male relative was justified in sexually abusing the five year old
    because, ” she’s was acting sexual around him.” I kid you not. That is what
    the judge said and I have always wondered how safe his female relatives
    were with him around.

  89. #209145
    On January 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, RaisedRight said:

    It’s like that judge up north, back in the early nineties that
    felt the male relative was justified in sexually abusing the five year old
    because, ” she’s was acting sexual around him.”

    What!!!???!?!? Who… when… where? That is totally ludicrous. I was barely not yet a teen in the early 90s, what is this case? What a horrible judge person.

  90. #209146
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, granite said:

    #86: On January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Al in St. Lou said:

    “Christian Arabs commit “honor” killings in Egypt, and probably throughout the Near East and Middle East. It’s cultural. I’ve read that it was happening before Mohammed. So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion. I don’t know whether non-Arab Muslims commit “honor” killings.”

    “So, in a reasonable sense, it has nothing to do with religion.”

    Wow!
    What a stretch.

    I guess it would be reasonable not to be careful on 3rd story roofs, or not to wear a parachute when bailing out of a plane, or to smoke 4-5 packs of cigarettes a day for 70-80 years, because there have been instances of people surviving a fall from a 3rd story roof, of people surviving a fall from an airplane without a parachute, and of people being hale and hearty with a smoking history of 280-400 pack-years.

  91. #209150
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, BOB said:

    As usual I’m late…but I don’t see this as hard to interpret, clearly it was the Dad who was referred to:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ajmontana said:
    Yeah, just blow this one off also as a teenage thing….. scum.

    Not the son.

  92. #209152
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, Gabe said:

    It’s not religion,” he said, declining to speak in detail about a possible motive. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”

    Translation: “I’m a Muslim who hates America. My sisters dated infidels and deserved to die by my father’s hand. Religion (Islam) did not cause my heroic father to kill my sisters. You infidels dating my sisters and your culture I hate forced my father’s hand. Therefore, it’s your fault not ours that my sisters are dead. It had nothing to do with father or religion (Islam).”

  93. #209155
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    No Problem TXRose – hugs on the way. I just didn’t want to see YOU get pounced on as well. Seems there are some who think this blog is about finding someone who may have said something wrong and calling them out!

    You are in good compnay as Michelle gets hammered (not drunk) every day!

  94. #209156
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, Ditkaca said:

    On January 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    that was sarcasm yesterday

  95. #209158
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I know. And AJ’s was sarcasm today.

  96. #209160
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, ACHefty said:

    Egad! My head is spinning. Everyone please go get something to drink, take a walk, and breathe!

    /begin sarc

    Rusty. AJ. Everyone! Go to your rooms and wait until dinner is ready.

    /end sarc

    Let’s at least pretend to be civil adults here.

  97. #209161
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, ajmontana said:

    And I love that AJ got so upset that I brought up how he would like people to speak of him and his family if something terrible were to happen.

    Are you high? who’s upset? lol, if you think something you say to me will upset me you’re sorely mistaken and in need of a brain scan, meds or both.
    The only one’s I have any sympathy for are the murdered kids,if the girls friends knew they were in danger I’m sure the family did also and chose to do nothing. Have a nice day.

  98. #209170
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, cpodug said:

    ACHefty said: Rusty. AJ. Everyone! Go to your rooms and wait until dinner is ready.

    Are you kidding? That’s got to be worse than waterboarding for AJ!

  99. #209172
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, Ditkaca said:

    Is it possible that this killing is not related to religion/culture? Yes, but unlikely

    Is it possible that Rusty could ever agree with anything Michelle writes? Yes, but unlikely

  100. #209174
    On January 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, Al in St. Lou said:

    My point is that “honor” killings, and for that matter female genital mutilation, are practiced by members of certain cultures no matter which religion they follow. Maybe Islam has been used to spread these barbaric practices to other parts of the world, but what do we gain by improperly attributing these barbaric acts to a religion? One thing we lose is that we forget that non-Muslim members of these cultures commit these exact same barbaric acts

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