Saturday night jive: The New Hampshire debates; Round Two – Dem candidates; Update: Hillary turns Shrill-ary; Edwards: “Forces of status quo”= Hillary; Unlikeable? Hillary’s feelings are hurt
I’M RUNNING ON 35 YEARS OF CHANGE!!!! AIEEEEEEEE!!!
Update: 11:20pm Eastern. Via Hot Air, here’s more fun debate vid of Chill-ary/Shrill-ary/Force Of Status Quo vs. the True Agents of Change.
Update 10:35pm Eastern. Here’s vid of Hillary’s boo-freaking-hoo moment. Final question: Gibson asks the candidates what moments they’d take back. Hill’s now musing that there are “one or two moments” in past debates that she’d take back. She finally says something I agree with: “Republicans have a totally different approach to how they would solve things.” Yeah. Richardson would take back his Whizzer White endorsement. Edwards would take back his fashion critique of Hillary. Obama recycles Hillary’s line about the GOP/Dem contrast. It’s over. Obama gives Hill a quick, awkward handshake and backslap:
Update 10:23pm Eastern. Richardson is giving another “can’t we all get along/I’ve been a governor/I’ve been Energy Secretary” speech. What a whingeing windbag.
Commenter DougT made me snort up some Red Bull: “I have to disagree with the notion that the Hill is skrieking. After B.O., she has the next deepest voice of the panel. I’m going with bellowing. Did you all know that Richardson has experience as a governor?”
Update 10:15pm Eastern. Hillary launches another grenade at Obama over lobbyists. Says one of his campaign co-chairs is a pharma lobbyist. Gibson challenges change rhetoric. Everyone starts yammering. Hillary shrieks about change during her husband’s tenure. Shriekshriekshriek!
Update 10:00pm Eastern. Back to Hillary…WMUR guy asks her about likeability. Message: You’re not likeable. HRC: “Well, that hurts my feelings.” (Laughter) So staged. So fake. Awwwww. All together now: Boo-freaking-hoo.
Obama cracks: “You’re likeable enough, Hillary.”
WMUR guy asks Obama to respond to GOP attacks on Obama in earlier debate. “I have to admit – I was going back and forth between the debate and football.” (Laughter.) Hah. Just like Bryan.
FWIW, here’s a wire report on Hill’s attack on Obama changing positions.
And here’s vid of a Bill “Mr. Foreign Policy Experience” Richardson gaffe.
Update 9:54pm Eastern. First commercial break. Bill Richardson jumped right out of his seat to get away from Shrill-ary.
Update 9:43pm Eastern. Shrill-ary’s calmed down for the moment. Gibson asks her about the surge. HRC: “It’s time to bring the troops home…as quickly and reasonably as possible. George Bush doesn’t intend to bring them home…I will.” Richardson: “The policy is a massive failure.” Gibson: All of you wanted troops home last year. Obama: “It was a mistake to go in from the start…we have not made ourselves safer…”
Update 9:38pm Eastern. Hillary’s screech-o-meter is through the roof. She is pissed–I know, I’ve used that word again, but that’s the only proper description–at John Edwards. Look. Meee-OW:
Update 9:27pm Eastern. Gibson invites dialogue between Hillary and Obama on change and experience. Here we go…
Hill: We’re all advocating for change. Goals, principles. Part of what this primary process is all about is to look at our records. Obama could have a pretty good debate with himself, as the AP put it. (She is saying “you know” a lot. Nervous and elliptical.) I have no problem with whatever scrutiny comes my way.
Obama: I have been entirely consistent on my position on health care. He takes her attack straight on.
Hill: You have a mandate that parents cover children. You stop short on universal health care mandate. You’ve changed positions over three years. Patriot Act, funding for Iraq war. Looks like she has gotten an energy boost.
Obama wants to respond. I have no problem with you pointing out differences. On parental health care mandate, children don’t have a choice. I believe adults will choose coverage if it is affordable.
These are all good public servants (referring to candidates). But it’s important not to distort. People are looking at folks who are straight about the issues.
John Edwards: Both Obama and I are powerful voices for change. We finished one and two in Iowa. The forces of status quo attack (chiding Clinton for attacking Obama). Every time we speak for change, the forces of status quo strike.
“Forces of status quo” = Hillary Clinton. I didn’t hear these attacks from Sen. Clinton when she was ahead.
Hillary’s got her back up. Change is about working hard! I’ve made change! ChangeChangeChangeChangeChangeChangeChangeChange!!!!!
Update 9:23pm Eastern. Hillary looks tired. She needs a Red Bull.
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Round One is here. Now, it’s the Dems’ turn.
First question is on nuke terrorism. Gibson asks Obama if he stands by statement that he’d invade Pakistan if necessary.
Gibson: What you’ve just outlined is the Bush doctrine.
Obama: No. bin Laden is in Pakistan. This is not speculation. Make sure we strike anyone who would do America harm as long as we have actionable intelligence.
John Edwards tries on his superhero costume. He’ll go after bin Laden.
Waiting for the Smartest Woman in the World to answer…
Richardson says he’d try “diplomacy.” Wow. Hillary looks really pissed–sorry, it’s the only word that fits–at Richardson. I think she’s still mad about Iowa.
Gibson: Should we go into western Pakistan and try and take bin Laden out?
Richardson: If we have actionable intelligence…
Hillary’s turn. Looks like she memorized her talking points.
I need another Red Bull.
Gibson follows up with a question on possibility of nuke attack on American soil.
Scary thought: John Edwards as president the day after a nuke attack on American soil.
Obama: Rebuild the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
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I have a whole new respect for you Michelle ’cause a lot of us are going to pass on this and count on you for the 2 highlights!
Michelle, can I have a Red Bull?
The Smartest women in the world, “before we hit Pakistan with missiles, we should called them to let them know they’re on the way”.
oops, call them. I’m the smartest commentor in the world.heh.
This debate would be livelier if Kookcinich and Biden were still in it.
Yeah, this debate is too much Blue Bull!
Sooo…Charlie Gibson’s role is to make the Dhimmicraps look strong on defense with his leading questions?
Yeah, right…
I can live w/o Dennis but I love having Biden around. Say what you want about him but the man never follows a script.
Tired? geez to me she looks medicated… prolly for her mental condition. ew.
Did Richardson just reference the “Soviet Union”?
think I see botox…
yes, she does look medicated. Proof; no cackle.
There is the best hinglight EVAH!!!
Hillary is preaching to Obama about being inconsistent??????
Yo Osama, “children don’t have a choice”… are we talking abortion here?
Hillary negates all the efforts/heroism of our armed forces currently fighting al Quaeda and states that “they” meaning her and Bill attempted to get rid of bin laden 10 years ago….YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now it’s a Obama/Silky pile-on! Obama stopped debating with Clinton and spoke directly with Charlie Gibson, thereby disallowing any conversation with her. Genius debating technique. Now Hillary going shrrriiiiiiilllllll.
Whoa, Hillary is going off the rails.
not enough valum!! the shrill comes out!! change, change, change, change….
If this was a drinking game and we all had to do a shot when someone said the word “change” we’d all be dead.
Silky is talking about entrenched interests. Only mentions corporations. Not unions, law firms….. ugh.
Hillary just lit off with ‘my 35 years of change’ – wow, never would have guessed.
oooh the surge….
Will anyone ask what will happen if we leave Iraq now? Doubt it.
All losses are terrible but the amount of pandering they are doing about it is non proportional.
Would hate to take these fools on a time machine to the Civil War.
lol at the dems… I cant listen anymore…..borrrrrrrrrrrringggggggggg.
So far, my impression of the Democrats is this by David Bowie:
Cha-Cha-Changes—turn to face the strange changes (all of the debaters).
Changes:favorite word, no—how many times was this word used in the last segment? Are they debating or just slinging mud around while ganging up on poor Shril-Hil?
At least the GOP nominees had discussions.
It was true fate that Hill and Richardson ended up sitting next to one another. Look at her body language and her glacial facial expressions towards him.
He looks afraid of her.
Obama is linking the success of the surge to the Democratic Congress!?!?! Ha! Several Muslim media outlets rejoiced when the Democrats took power! It was a dream come true. What BS.
Oooh the strain on the taxpayer!
Obama things Dem elections not AQ blowing up everyone in sight caused the Anbar Awakening.
Someone slap that fool
Somalia has a political solution, but certainly not a military solution. How’s that working out for the people living in Mogadishu?
Who needs the troops when you can have the dems fight our wars for us?
richardson is sending morse code to ron paul and the mothership. tap tap tap… dot dash dash dot…
They think peace and security wont allow political progress but pull out followed by Chaos is better for political progress
Did anyone see which way that turnip truck turned that Obama, Clinton and S.P. saw us fall off of? I think I left my wallet on it.
Hillary just still says they are all for cut and run.
I think Gibson has been the best moderator of all the 9,000,000 debates so far.
All
I am listening to their take on Iraq and the surge, they have absolutely no idea about what they are talking about it is all POLITICS. These are the best the Dems have to offer?
Hillary stands by her statement she made about the surge ” a willful suspension of disbelief” This is only about POLITICS. What leadership is being offered up? Nobody knows what the consequences will be if we pull our troops out!! really that is what Hillary just stated. I guess Hillary wasn’t paying attention to the genocide that took place when we pulled out of Vietnam? Those who don’t learn from History are Doomed to repeat it.
Hill probably forgot to tout her best not to secret weapon, sending Bill to Pakistan, since he would be the first lady (come to think of it he was before too); he’s apparently disposable (like she was) so she could load him in a missile and drop him into the tribal areas.
She’s probably already thought of this.
For Richardson the issue with the war is big government doesn’t have the bucks to waste on big government nanny programs instead.
Sorry, had a house full of giggling ten year old slumber partying birthday party girls last night up till 5. Best my Internet thuggery could do tonight.
Hillary said “as soon as I am elected”, trying to sound confident. She sounded arrogant instead. Kind of a how-dare-they attitude. Absolutely a poor candidate.
don’t worry about your wallet… they are going to take it anyway.
How many Red Bulls so far? Halfway through a 6-pack of Mountain Dew here.
None of these Dem’s would concede that we are winning in Iraq. Falling back on the same old arguement of the Iraq government. Well, here in the good ole USA, the Government is We The People and what I’ve been seeing lately is that the “We The People” of Iraq have been taking on AQ and fighting for their Freedom. Apparently this is something that the Dem’s have no concept of, “We The People”.
Oh she didn’t…
Awwww her feelings. She has none. She’s lying again!
Awwwwwwwww
Hillary got her feeling hurt
HURL
Hillary is stumbling badly on the likability question. She looks visibly emotionally hurt. It took far too long to get traction on an answer.
Question for the candidates: Where would you rather live right now, Baghdad or Mogadishu. A follow up question: Between Iraq and Somalia, which country has has made the political progress that the international community has wanted and which one has made the military progress?
Kept a bucket of Nerf Balls to throw at the screen for this debate
First woman president….. ugh. How about competent president?
Clearly Richardson is the least polished and the constant references to his governorship is tiresome. Also, he tried to potray his views on abandoning Iraq as somehow different from his colleagues. Everyone looked embarrassed for him. Gibson needs to have Richardson escorted from the set.
Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards look prepared at least and comfortable. Well, Edwards looks ready to join Obama in civil union if he thinks it’ll get him selected as Barry’s running mate.
…and a final follow up question, where is Al Qaeda stronger, Mogadishu or Baghdad?
This guy’s a plant. What’s his name?
Only one who got tossed out in the other was Paul.
Hill is top target so bar but Edwards has some wanting to dig out their paintball guns
Now Obama is running against Bush
Ha! dang right the redskins lost 35-14…yeah baby! obama got something right!
The fact that she says noobody knows what will happen if we pull out should be a huge red flag for people.
It does not take a genius to see or figure out what would happen to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and most especially, Israel if we were to pull chocks, do a hover check and take off with our bat, ball and first base.
Just based on past prctice from that religion and it’s minions, it ould be Hell in that area and one of our largest Allies would be suddenly all on it’s own. Our standing as a global player and Super Power would mean nothing. every punk, upstart little dictator around would do whatever they wanted, knowing that all they would have to do would be to win the war of Public Opinion and they would win the war, saving bullets. We could never again be a threat to any “bad guys” anywhere. Worse of all, feeling the loss and abandonement, Israel would have no recourse left, and we could no longer be able to ask it to restrain itself when dealing with Iran and any other Islamic country that is threatening to “Wipe it off the map” and thus, nuclear war would be emminent within months, not years within the region.
If Mrs. Clinton cannot see any of this as even a POSSIBILITY, or AN of these people, then NONE of them have any business running for Presidnet, let alone actually getting elected.
I wish the dems knew why we give out no-bid contracts. Here’s a question, prior to the invasion of Iraq, in which we gave them the conditions to meet to avoid war, would you put out an RFP as to what companies can support the troops, what companies would be involved and said RFP, and how long would would the proposal process take?
We need renewable energy, but damned if it’s going to come from the Kennedy’s back yard.
Richardson just guaranteed a contract on his life from the Clinton family – just said that the rest of them had no executive experience, no foreign experience – he is a dead man walking – Hillary looks like she would like to rip his ***** off.
My wife just said Richardson was “a pig”. His overweightedness, his tie not cinched fully. She doesn’t think he looks presidential.
All the Dems are saying they will do all the same things after being elected that got us into the world hole we are in now and fighting to dig ourselves out of where they put us.
Richardson is banging on the table way too much.
…and why on earth would he mention Al Gore not being in the race?
Does Edwards channel Bubba’s hand gestures better than anyone since Phil Hartman?
BR faced down North Korea? I missed that one. Off to google.
omg, blah flippin blah, blah, blah…
SOS different day. night all.
North Korea won. If I were him, I wouldn’t be referencing that.
Edwards just sues the heck out of Doctors that causes our health cost to rise to unaffordable levels.
Want a scary thought
What type of judges at the Federal and SCOTUS level would he appoint
Edwards was the object of the judge comment
OMG. Who’s got the worst pandering family story? Ugh.
ajmontana~
I was just about to ask – what the he|| is up with Richardson – all that tapping on the desk top is REALLY annoying…
Oh good a reality break. So I assume we’re talking about a commercial?
Hillary is banging away on Silky and Obama. Now let’s see what she shows as an accomplishment. Still waiting…
Still waiting
Has Hillary logged an accomplishment yet?
This sitcom has had its moments, but it’s a tad flat here in the 2nd act.
I think referencing a 35 year old tidbit on the resume is a strong move.
So are unions a special interest? The way these four are talking, you’d think that MoveOn.org, mediamatters, the trial lawyers association, the NEA, etc, etc, etc, aren’t special interests.
Does referencing Bill *cough* Newt *cough* balancing the budget count?
I hope the first commercial at the next break is for Cialis or Aflac.
Now Hillary is referencing Bill? And his accomplishment? Balancing the budget was George Bush’s idea. Taxing the heck out of corporations is a coward’s way of leading.
Teddy Roosevelt would slap John Edwards on principle.
raise taxes! raise taxes! raise taxes!
uhhh, cut spending?
Hilda is using her Husband as the credicial for change. Bubba is not running for President Hilda, you are. What is your credicials for change. You’ve done nothing. You’ve had a token position of First Lady. That’s it. A Doctors wife can not take a scalpal and remove a tumor from the brain of a patiant just because she watched her husband do it from the balcony above.
Stop banging on the table Rrichardon!!!
I have to disagree with the notion that the Hill is skrieking. After B.O., she has the next deepest voice of the panel. I’m going with bellowing.
Did you all know that Richardson has experience as a governor?
Hmmm nationial service, isn’t that called AmeriCorps? Doesn’t that already exist? Yes!
new game
Drink every time
1) Hillary mentions that she is an agent of change
2) Hillary mentions that she has 35 years of experience (side note—doing what exactly??? the only position she ever held far as I can tell was AK Education secretary and their state ranking went nowhere)
3) Edwards mentions drug companies, oil companies, or lobbyists
4) Richardson talks about the 5 different jobs he has had over the past 15 years
5) Obama talks about “uniting” and “hope”
For Edwards, it occasionally takes strength, and sometimes, the channeling of a dead child.
Silky wants to take everyone on. Just don’t mess his hair.
Global Warming. Should be good for laughs.
Global warming! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Hillary, lets see the records? oops, can’t do that.
Richardson is campaigning for Chief Executive Nanny?
Bill, a tax would be passed on to consumers, but a mandate wouldn’t? You’ve never studied economics before have you? Wait, I know the answer to that, you’re a democrat, so no.
I think the Gork is inside a Richardson suit – arguing for cap and trade, urging us back to the stone ages.
A tax is passed on to the consumer, but a mandate doesn’t result in costs being passed to us?