Relative of murdered Dallas girls: “This was an honor killing;” father abused daughters
Funeral services–both Christian and Muslim–were held Saturday in Dallas for murdered teen sisters Sarah and Amina Yaser Said. Their father, wanted for capital murder in the case, remains on the loose. Dallas Morning News reports on family reaction–including remarks from the girls’ mother, brother, and great-aunt, who is convinced that the double slayings are honor killings and detailed the daughters’ abuse at the hands of the father:
Before the service, the girls’ mother and brother issued a public appeal for Mr. Said to surrender. Patricia Said said her husband needed to be brought to justice so that her “girls can rest in peace.” She said that she and her son would remain in hiding until her husband is captured.
“I just want him to pay for what he did to my girls,” Mrs. Said said.
Islam Said has previously disputed widespread rumors and media reports that his Muslim father’s religion may have been the reason for the killings. Some have speculated that the deaths may have been “honor killings,” a practice in which a man kills a female relative who he believes has somehow shamed the family.
Patricia Said mourned the loss of her daughters at a Baptist service Saturday at Rahma Funeral Home.
Irving police have said that they are exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Police have acknowledged that the family had some previous domestic problems.
Gail Gartrell, the sisters’ great-aunt, said Saturday that Mr. Said had physically abused the two girls for years. Around Christmas, the girls’ mother – Ms. Gartrell’s niece – had fled because of Mr. Said’s threats to kill the girls after he learned they had boyfriends, she said.
“She ran with them because she knew he would carry out the threat,” Ms. Gartrell said. “This was an honor killing.”
She said her niece returned after Mr. Said told her that he would move out so they could reconcile. Within a few days, she said, the girls were dead.
The Ft. Worth Star Telegram also reveals details about the missing father’s marriage to the girls’ mother. They married when she was 15 and he was 30:
Details emerged Thursday about the days leading up to the fatal shootings of the Lewisville teens, who were found Tuesday evening in a taxi that police believe was driven by their father.
Patricia Said and her daughters quit their jobs at a Kroger grocery store in Lewisville just before Christmas, a company spokesman said.
Patricia and Yaser Said were wed in February 1987 when she was 15 and he was 30, Tarrant County marriage records show. The two have had addresses in Euless, Bedford, Grand Prairie and Arlington, public records indicate.
Yaser Abdel Said filed a missing-person report Dec. 26. He hoped police would help track down his wife, according to a report by KDFW/Channel 4.
The incident marked one of the domestic problems that investigators believe may have led to the killings of Sarah and Amina Said.
Friends of the girls have said their father didn’t approve of them dating.
America’s Most Wanted spotlighted fugutive Said’s case. There’s also a $10,000 reward for info.
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and they hate us for it… sorry my bad.
brooklyn red #100 “And speaking of angry women, have you ever tried dating in NYC?”
LOL nice. ^5
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Okay, fourstringfuror. We’re playing with words. I think you got my meaning. However, since the Pope, cardinals, and bishops represented Christianity, and were corrupt, then the religion became corrupt. Remember, if you want to get specific, at the Bible’s writing, and at Jesus’s time, there wasn’t any Christianity, just Judaism.
Well it was Jesus who said “it is the Jews who know salvation”… he also said “that you being, evil know how to bear good gifts…”
Can we agree it is not cool to shoot our children?
jus sayin
DougT
Rational thought is the hallmark of a civilized society. In the present stte of the world, rational thought must incorporate that most irrational notion of how to deal with the abesnce of rational thought.
This is literally a matter of the survival of civilization as we know it. We are dealing with the antithesis of civilization and the Christian ideals that shape most of our laws.
The radical element employs a scheme where logic can change on the whim. It is whatever the Imam decrees. An element that actively teaches not living in harmony, not justice, not peace, but pure hatred, death and destruction.
To us, it is not rational to hate someone you have never met. To radical Islam, it is not only rational, it is a duty. And that duty includes the destruction or enslavement of all those of other faiths and creeds, with the end result being an entire world under Islamic law.
To apply rational thought to these circumstances, there are few options where living with the constant threat is an acceptable alternative. Purely rational thought would call for the elimination the threat in toto.
To some, emotions overpower logic; those who believe they are too civilized to even consider that as an option. These are the same people who imbue human characteristics on wild animals, believing them to have rights. The same people who believe that a bad childhood serves to excuse or mitigate a heinous act. The same people who believe all men are not only created equal, they should be equal in their standing in society regardless of effort or contribution. And, the very same people who would quickly sacrifice their liberty and independence as a gesture of appeasement to preserve their lives rather than fight those who would deprive them and their progeny of freedom.
That is not the product of rational thought. It is, quite frankly, the product of hidden cowardice, naivete, or allowing one’s emotions to supplant logic.
hallowed are the Ori…
Sorry, I guess I am missing the point here.
Thank you Jim M. I thought it was just me.
Atrue born again Christian who is spirit filled would not destroy an abortion clinic. A person who agrees with alot of Christianity maybe tempted to blow up an abortion clinic. Many have said lots of wars were blamed on Christianity, but I doubt very much that born again believers were responsible for any atrocities. Jesus said you would know His followers by their fruit. Anyway how many abortion clinics have been lost in the last 6 months? the last year?
For an eyeful, wiki Kosovo and check out the Christians/Muslims of yore. And not so yore. Browse through the links to see stuff like the First Balkin War or the Second Balkin War, or the Young Turks, or etc, etc
Lots of blame to go around. Or ignore the past dead, and stick to the here and now.
You’ve never heard the term “hallowed are the Ori”?
You gotta get out more!
Nevermind the Ori reference.. just a passing thought / analogy.
Oh look, Adan Gadahn had ripped up his passport and renounced US citizenship (link) ..gee, what a loss for the US.. not.
Don’t they love the sound of their own voices!!!!
#106 Jim M.:
Very well put.
Thanks.
I agree with granite. Well, said, Jim M.
#95 Doug T said:
No, I believe that appeasement is unreasonable. I believe that peace through superior firepower is reasonable.
As mentioned earlier, the US defeated Germany and Japan by smacking the crap out of them and ending it; not by “rationalizing” or worrying about a violent cycle of “might makes right” type of thinking, but by actually crushing them.
In light of the latest surge success in Iraq, I am ready to rationally rethink all of the limitations that liberals have placed on out troops since day one of this war against Islamic terror.
What say you?
I wonder what the Russians would do if they caught this ROP moon god worshiper? Hmmmmmm.
I don’t get it. Was the wife a Baptist? Why the Baptist service? And if she’s an American, why was she married off to him at 15.
Many questions-of course the media will not probe further and answer them out of “sensitivity” to the killer…er, dad.
Pat, did you see her or her sister? We’re not talking brain surgeons here. I don’t
know if she converted to Islam, but I’ll bet she did because he wouldn’t want to be
married to an infidel. Probably her family wanted the Baptist service and it may
have been a way for her to defy him…too late, but maybe a small rebellion is all
she has left at the moment.
This is for DougT way up at the top.
A crime of passion has the characteristic of not being premeditated, similiar to but not the same as manslaughter.
If I came home to find my wife with another man and killed them the next day then it is not a crime of passion.
This killing was obviously premeditated and carried out with the goal of murdering two young girls.
I just don’t see how you people can be so Islamophobic and so anti-Multi-Cultural. This man was obviously following a centuries old Muslim tradition passed down through generations of fellow Muslims. When one of his fellow female Muslims in his family does something that shames him or his family…regardless of how silly or ridiculous YOU may perseive it to be, he just KILLS them. After all, murdering your own flesh and blood, your own daughters, the children born to you by a wife probably given to you in trade for some goods by their family to yours, were just chattel anyway.
All this man was doing was following that sacred text, the book that was written to memorialize those sacred words of the Islamic prophet Mohammed. In that book, the book which supposedly cannot be touched by any of us infidels, or “non-believer” else we enrage the truly faithful into such a lather that they burn cars, hrow rocks, kill people by the dozens, cut off heads, riot in the streets, I mean…they are pretty serious about this book and what is written inside, according to it, this man was well within his rights to shoot these two girls and kill them for whatever this misdeed was that he found to be so embarassing to his family.
In fact, not only was he bound to this act, but according to these words, in this and other teachings by this prohet, the founder of what has come to be called “The Religion of Peace”, all the males in his family were actually bound by said honor to slay these horrible, horrible, shameful, vile little children.
How dare all of you speak so poorly about this man while he merely carried out the traditions of such a peaceful, loving, caring religion.
After all, didn’t you know? It is a religion that treats women with respect, honor, etc.? In fact, it is the only religion that has actually freed women from the oppression of men and society. So hhow can you question his actions. Why is he in jail?
In the name of Political Correctness, Multi-Culturalism and Islamic Women’s Rights, I say he should be freed.
After all, if not, you are just showing that you are all just Islamophobic for not honoring his religious beliefs.
Wow…I actually got through that whole Liberal diatribe. I didn’t think I could do it, but I did. Get ready kids, because that is not too far off. In fact, I would be willing to bet money that there are actually people out there right now that actually feel this way about this. Anyone want to doubt that? Yes, I do mean in this country. We know that in Islamic countries there are people that do not understand why he was arrested. This is the face of the Religion of Peace. Let me ask you Libs…is this guy one of you “minority Fanatics”? I don’t think so. I think he is just a regular follower of the Quran and the Haddith. Not a fanatic at all.
And yes, I know he isn’t captured, I just used it as an example.
I have…yikes!
Brian (#117)
I won’t get into a discussion here and now about the logic of peace through superior firepower, but, to be sure, I’m glad I’m a citizen of a country that has it. I think “security through superior firepower” makes more sense.
As for your other question: once you start a war, especially if you have superior firepower, it should be total, relentless, and overwhelming. Stealing your way into Iraq to fight the US forces should be viewed as a quick and sure way to die.
I’ll leave it to the military experts to make that happen. Tying their hands is foolish. So it appears that we agree on that point.
And I’ll stop being off topic now. Promise.
The closest analogy to “Honor Killing” in the West that I can think of, is disowning.
The Christian attitude towards a family member that has gone off of the tracks is shaped considerably by the Parable of the Prodigal Son. But part of the Sermon on the Mount also applies by analogy
#126 larry d said:
I betcha Mrs. Said views Mr. Said as that ‘right eye’ and that ‘right hand’ right about now.
Whether it is considered honor killing or the act of a madman,ther is no difference because belief in Islam is crazy.So whatever his professed reason for this heinuos act,Islam is at the root of it.To several commenters,yes there have been heinous acts committed by Christians (and probably still are),but those acts are not condoned by any Christian sect,whereas the Islam advocates them.
Please do keep in mind the mentality of those brought up in Islamoid cultures is shaped by both Islam and their tribal/cultural traditions which go back thousands of years before Islam.
There is IMO a truly EVIL synergy between the two.
Once again I believe we need an “Islamic Exclusion Act” even if we have amend our Constitution to do it.
We also need exclude from the USA any citizens of any country who give sanctuary to their nationals who commit serious, heinous crimes in the USA then scamper back home.
I betchya this Said fellow deeply planned this killing; he got as much money together as he could, wired most if (structured transactions to evade Currency Transaction Reporting requieme to Egypt, arranged for a flight to Egypt ,killed his daughters then got a cab to the airport and as I type this he’s probably back home in Egypt with enough money not to have to worry about food and shelter for quite a few years.
Should Said be found in Egypt the only way they’ll give him up is if Congress gets involved and puts a hold on a big “aid” package for Egypt - something I believe the GW Bush Administration would fight tooth and claw.
Also keep in mind the corrupting influence of Islamic oil-money!
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to how many TRILLIONS of dollars have been poured into the Islamic oil-patch?
We do know what the Iraquis did with *their* slice of that pie - arms, arms and more arms (largely courtesy of the Russians).
My take on Islam is it is the synthesis of the very worst barbarism that you can find of Jewish and Christian Tradition.
However do take a peek at Matthew Chapter 10:
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Like it or not the core logic of the Shariah comes straight from Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
The cruel twist of the Shariah though is it is static; it it believed not be be subject to change by humans.
Right there that is compelling evidence that Islam *as an ideology* is totally incompatible with ours.
We make our laws largly by consensus; the Islamics made their by consulting the Koran and the Ahadiths.
The Buhkari Hadith collection which is considered to be highly authoratative is 9 volumes in English and 18 in Arabic.
To understand Islam you must be aware of and understand the Hadiths and the Sunna (tradition) of Mohammed.
Yeah this is rambling …
Great stuff DougT…probably the most intelligent posts on this very complicated topic I’ve seen on this site. I do think that you’re over the heads of some of those you’re dialoguing with however. Many here are not accustomed to big boy discussions where issues aren’t assumed to be black and white and simplistic, but rather various shades of gray and complicated. I do give some measure of credit nonetheless to those posters who had the onions to actually come out and say point blank what they would do if in charge. It’s more than I can say for some of the professional bloggers who clearly have an agenda relative to this issue, but have largely been intellectually dishonest about their ultimate positions on the same.
#130 On January 7th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, dakine said:
“Great stuff DougT…probably the most intelligent posts on this very complicated topic I’ve seen on this site. I do think that you’re over the heads of some of those you’re dialoguing with however. Many here are not accustomed to big boy discussions where issues aren’t assumed to be black and white and simplistic, but rather various shades of gray and complicated.”
Hey, everybody, it looks like Mr.(Ms.?) Smart is scolding us knuckle-draggers!
At least most of us seem to understand that, if we try to be as smart as him(her?), instead of defending ourselves, we’ll all be dead.
But, why should that worry an uebersmart(sorry, can’t do umlauts) person?
Just be sure you don’t get dizzy when you look down at us from way up there, Mr.(Ms.?) Smart.
Read the whole article, or at least skim it:
Domestic violence in the Quran
granite, your last post goes a long ways toward proving my point. I’m pretty certain that you don’t have the slightest idea regarding what DougT is actually saying. Go back and read his pots very, very slowly (with a dictionary next to your keyboard) and you might begin to understand where he’s coming from.
#133 On January 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, dakine said:
“granite, your last post goes a long ways toward proving my point. I’m pretty certain that you don’t have the slightest idea regarding what DougT is actually saying. Go back and read his pots very, very slowly (with a dictionary next to your keyboard) and you might begin to understand where he’s coming from.”
Just unbelievable.
If one were to comment about particular posts, one would have to describe post #133 as mind-bogglingly (if that can be an adverb) arrogant…and unjustifiably so.
And granite continues to make my point.
Alas, I failed to follow the sage advice,
JUST
IGNORE
HIM,
and ended up feeding a troll.
(*sigh*) Mea culpa.
Further discussion would be worse than pointless, because:
135 will never - never - get it right…180-degree erroneous worldview, after all;
135 will only think of another insult to hurl at his/her interlocutor;
135 will be happy discussing endless theoretical fine points, and infinitely splitting hairs, and feeling smugly superior and vastly more intellignet than the hoi poilloi troglodytes; even as his/her house is being blown up, and/or his/her throat is being slit by Muslim jihadists.
To be blunt, 135 just does not get it; and, sadly, most likely never will, until it is way too late.
135: you can have the last word (my kids used to play that game when they were ~ 8 or 10; they’ve since grown up).
I’m outta here, as George Costanza said.
Buh-bye.
granite, the whole “feeding the troll” thing is lame, and what’s hilarious about the back and forth in this thread is how far off base you are regarding DougT’s fundamental points/questions. You’re so stuck on your simplistic/black-white world view and have made so many false assumptions about where DougT is coming from that you’re unable to connect the dots.
Buh-bye to you as well.