Incident in the Strait of Hormuz; Update: “I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes.”
It’s all Bush’s fault, of course–via Reuters:
Five Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed and provoked three U.S. Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday, CNN reported.
The CNN report on Monday, citing unidentified U.S. officials, said the Iranian vessels came within 200 yards (meters) of the U.S. ships and that after a threatening radio communication, U.S. sailors manned their ships’ guns and were very close to opening fire.
More info:
U.S. military officials told CNN the boats were “attack craft” that they believed were operated by Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guard. The Iranian boats made threatening maneuvers against the U.S. warships and threatening radio transmissions, the officials told CNN. The captain of one U.S. vessel was in the process of giving the order to shoot when the Iranian ships began turning away, CNN said. A radio transmission from one of the Iranian ships said, “I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes,” CNN reported, citing a U.S. official.
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Allah asks: “Which nutroots blog will be the first to scream ‘Gulf of Tonkin!’?”
Answer: Democratic Underground, always reliable…
Rosie O’Donnell would have screamed it first, but I guess she’s not awake yet.
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Flashback, March 2007, British soldier incident:
The hostage stand-off
Report: Female Brit sailor to be released
Iran plays games, Britain wants condemnation
National humiliation
Warm and cuddly Mahmoud
The American soldier’s code of conduct
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200 yards is too close they should have blown them out of the water. the end.
Better luck next time…
Note to self: Polish boots.
Doesn’t say what kind of ships, or what kind of Iranian patrol boats. If the Iranians are trying to provoke an incident, I would hope the Navy records everything so that there can be absolutely no question later on as to exactly what happened(at least no question to any sane individual).
That would’ve been a very interesting knife-fight.
Were they confusing the US flag with the British flag – are these people really that stupid, yes.
Sounds like the bully in the neighborhood is itching for a fight.
Added to that note Leatherneck – pack seabag…
I hope next time, 199 yards is weapons free…
Iranian Gnat Boats. I would tell y’all what we call them here in Texas but I would be chastised severely.
Too Bad. It was as good as any way to get it started.
I would imagine that this type of thing happens more often than reported. WAY too close.
. . . loads parachute bag with khakis, stenciled skivvies and socks.
We had Iranian planes buzzing my ship as we went through the straights both times last year.The passage is not very wide so you can’t help but end up in Iranian waters.
It seems that they are looking to try to control shipping in the Persian Gulf.
Now somebody explain to Ron Paul that Iran does have a military.
Naturally Bush put them up to this because he is just itching to go to war with Iran.
Seriously though, you have to wonder what they were thinking. Unlike the British, our guys won’t put their tail between their legs.
What’s with the pussified Navy? Shoot to kill, give warnings afterwards.
Especially if they have radio transmitions that threaten their safety, they should have absolutely sunk those ships.
They were thinking another Gulf of Tonkin incident, so they can drum up sympathy for their cause(whatever it might be this week, besides world domination). If they can draw us into a shooting war with them, they will pull Russia and China in on their side(sound familiar?) and make us out to be the bad guy – not that they need a lot of incidents to make us look bad – just ask all the nutroots and conspiracy theorists out there.
We’ve been there and done that – think Vietnam. Difference is, if we do go in, let us win this time!
I think ol’ Mahmoud needs to be reminded what happened last time Iran got pissy with the US Navy…
Oops, forgot the link.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4442/is_200711/ai_n21099485
If we did open fire, how long before we would hear from the left “Gulf of Tonkin?”
There should have at least been some warning shots fired across their bow … just to get their attention and let them know the U.S. Navy is not the British Navy and will not allow themselves to be bullied …
I wonder if the Iranians have established to their satisfaction the the US Navy doesn’t react like the British Navy?
This is just an Iranian reminder that during the Iran/Iraq war the Iranians were able to create havoc in the Persian Gulf. This is a reminder that should be taken to heart. Not to deter us from acting in our national interest, but to help refine out target list priorities.
I would hope that the naval planners in Washington will concentrate sufficient assets to keep track of the Revolutionary Guard coastal forces and plan to take them out early in any conflict.
Five Iranian gunboats provoking three U.S. Navy ships would result in a really beneficial live-fire exercise for the crews, 10 minutes of excitement, and a Chief Boatswain’s call of “Sweepers, Sweepers, man your brooms”.
I suspect at least one of those Navy ships was an Arleigh Burke DDG. Small is no longer equal to weak, gang.
These people are going to keep pushing and pushing until we HAVE to respond! We cannot afford to act like the UK and tuck tail/run. That is unless the US NAVY wants another USS Cole incident.
Power is all these people understand so let’s show them some!
Second note to self: Check ammo supply. Third note to self: Get with Congress to obtain age waiver.
Andy “Bags” Hefty, former Sergeant of Marines
Bigurn, Small does not equal weak. That was a point the Iranians were trying to make. In the Iran/Iraq war small boats armed with machine guns and RPGs were quite effective against large, ocean going vessels.
In the narrow, confined waters of the Persian Gulf, large ships are at a disadvantage. They can’t manuever freely. Significantly, the primary weapons of cruisers and destroyers are medium to long range, ie. 5 inch gun and Standard missiles.
This is a threat we can’t ignore or Pooh Pooh. The USN has a program underway to develop what is called littoral combatants, vessels designed to fight in just such confined waters as the gulf.
Sounds like an exercise. Why would they announce their intentions over the radio? During the Tanker War their ‘boats’ were open launches loaded with explosives for ramming. Low in the water the gun radars couldn’t see them, 50 cals couldn’t be relied on to stop them so the Navy issued Stingers to take care of it.
We can sieze the Straits. We’ve done it before. Closing the Hormuz to Iran would turn off their power in weeks. Two carrier groups and an amphib squad to grab Iran’s littoral oil fields would leave them in the dark and helpless.
My suggestion for the Navy….BLOW THEM UP!
Except for Israelis.
I agree. It sounds like the Iranians were testing our Rules of Engagement. However, I doubt Stingers would have done much damage to a small boat, as Stingers are small surface-to-air missiles.
The next time this happens, the future Iranian navy should be built with glass bottoms, so they can see the old navy.
I know it’s an old joke, but an appropriate one.
As I was taught many years ago…….
BANG!
HALT, HALT, HALT
As soon as the approaching vessels announced, “I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes“, the U.S. ship captains should have turned them into artificial coral reefs at the bottom of the Strait of Hormuz.
The nutroots, like the DU cited above, are going to scream Gulf of Tonkin either way.
Seriously who really give’s a flying fig what Rosie thinks other than the media? Why not go to the nearest LA rehad and get Britney’s take on this also….. sheesh.
“elite”…by whose standards?
In the early 1980’s, I was on the commissioning crew of the USS Chandler(DDG-996), one of the four so-called “Ayatollah”-class DDGs that were taken over by the US Navy after the overthrow of the Shah.
While now almost thirty years old, had they been delivered to the Iranian navy as scheduled, they would still represent a considerable and very formidable threat to any ship. They were armed with fore-and-aft missile launchers, 5-inch rapid-fire automatic guns, harpoon launchers, etc., as well as modern radar and CIC suites.
It’s easy for us to sit here and poke fun at patrol boats, but they do represent a very real threat. Five on three are not very good odds in a knife fight.
Such “littoral combatants” would even the odds, but for many of the posters here, it’s difficult for you to really understand Naval warfare. We’d like to think that we would knock out patrol boats with ease, but think about this: two hundred yards is only six hundred feet – for many ships, that’s less than one ship’s length away – literally within knifing distance. Odds are that if they attacked, at least one of them would get through to it’s intended target, and cause tremendous damage and loss of life.
What do you think that would do to the political scene here in the US? Can you say “President Obama” or “HRH Hillary the first?” How much political hay could be garnered from such an incident?
One other thing I should point out – the Iranian navy has at least one submarine. I don’t know what shape it might be in, after many years of neglect, but it could very possibly be in good enough shape to put to sea on a one-way trip. The Gulf is shallow enough to confuse modern sonar with false returns, and such a submarine trip might not be noticed, especially if it is provided cover by a flotilla of patrol boats on the surface.
Let me just say this – be careful for what you wish for – you just might get it!
In Iran’s case, shoot first and ask questions later…or are they trying to provoke a US Attack (an Iranian martyrdom operation) and use this to influence things?
MTNEER, indeeed. Littoral warfare is trickier than the classic sea battle. ibsquidly has it right. Small arms could and would easily dispatch gun boats. Adding to squidly’s armament would be the 2 Phalanx CWIS weapons which should work just below the horizon. Also, I wonder if the vertical launch weapons are fitted with SSM…..
Bravo Zulu, Chief. Nice post.
Is this another example of Bush’s doctrine of your either with us or your against us. Apparently these Iranian provocations are a signal that they are with us.
People said they should have fired…I say a big hooah!! to the sailors on those vessels. Thier discipline was professional and restrained. All we need is an incident that can be used against us.
Mornin’ everybody. Thanks Thomas R for the link to the articles on the Tanker War. I was deployed with the USS Midway battle group in late 1987 in support of the re-flagged tankers. We were relieved by the Enterprise battle group, who then took out most of the Iranian major combatants. I lost former shipmates in USS Stark when she was attacked by an Iraqi aircraft by mistake, and knew guys on Samuel Roberts. People need to remember that all of these incidents happened during “peacetime”. That’s your US Navy at work, every day.
cpodug, I also served in Chandler a little later, 1989-90. You’re right about them being formidable platforms.
All I can say about this latest incident is that the COs of those ships exercised remarkable restraint in not opening fire. No CO likes to have any unidentified contact within 2000 yards of his ship, let alone some bonehead who has announced his plan to blow you up within 200 yards. I look forward to seeing more details about the USN ships involved.
The Iranians tried a blockade in 91 of the Alligator fleet that was transpoting the 5th MEB at the time. It was m,ore of a bluff as well. They ran a row of these little speed boats across the straights at the narrowest part and warned us to stop. Of coarse we didnt and kept going. We were within 100 hundred yards and manned all the .50cals and ship guns as well as others we MArines had on board.
The act was a clear cut proocation to fire upon them. We should have but never recieved the command as the gunships all moved when they saw the ships were not going to stop.
As someone said the local bully is looking for a fight.
With all due respect to naval warfare experts, even if these gunboats made a successful attack, it would not be the end of the U.S. Navy. I would be the end of the Iranian navy, or at least it should be.
These people will keep testing us and eventually will take a step too far. The important thing here is that the U.S. ships were preparing to fire, not looking for a path to retreat. I have great respect for the Brits, but their response to an earlier incident was an awful mistake. In all likelihood, it led to this incident. If it happens again, Gulf of Tonkin be damned, we should go after them hammer and tong. (Showing my age with that one!)
Right on CEPPERSON, You beat me to it. I would not have shown the restraint that these professionals showed and I’m sure the quick reactions by the one captain were the correct action. 1/2 more second and all the ships would have opened up.
Thank you to all U.S. military personel who put your a44 on the line and I will not sit here in Oregon and armchair quarterback you. HOO AH indeed!
Well, now the Iranians know they can get to within 200 meters of a US Naval Warship without being fired upon. They have just discovered the limits of a ship’s protective zone. Not good.
Why are those “boats” sitting on the bottom? Just the threat alone should have done it. These id10t’s want to play bully?
One (hyphenated) word:
Buh-bye!
One question over the radio in response:
Can your people swim?
I would suspect there are some PERSONAL FOR CO messages flying back and forth between the ships involved and CINCPACFLT/COMFIFTHFLT discussing the rules of engagement as we speak. We may even see a different result if this provocation happens again.
It’s just like the Iranians to let their alligator mouths write a check that their chipmunk asses can’t cash.
I think we will see more and more of these incidents leading up to the election. Nothing would benefit iran and our other enemies more than a President (shudder) obama/osama or President (shudder) klintoon. They are both more than willing to blah, blah, blah, sacrificing our troops in endless stream of BS diplomacy with enemies who have proven themselves to bald face lie until they get the upper hand. Then the mask slips. I truly don’t get how anyone in the state dept or congress still believes we can use diplomacy with the islamic scum who are determined to destroy us. Just like the firing of Mr. Coughlin, the islamic extremist expert being told by a Hesham Islam, advisor to Acting Secretary Gordon England on “islamic” matters, that his views are too extreme and that he is a Christian zealot, the slow creep of these scum into our government is all for the same purpose: the caliphate and sharia law. I can’t remember when muslims have been so “in our face” as they are now. It almost seems as if they think since we are at war with muslims, they can play the victim/race card indefinitely and we will rollover, ultimately giving ALL muslims their fondest wish, islam ruling the world and those of us non-muslims as second class citizens and economic slaves. People better remember that when they vote in November. A dhimmi President will not ACT, regardless of the provocation. They have a proven track record of failing miserably in the defense of this country.
I hope our ships are equipped with video cameras so that there would be no question as to what position we are in when all hell breaks loose. We don’t need another incident where there is a question as to what water we were in and/or who attacked or provoked the fight.
PS. For those of you who like to slam the Brits, don’t forget they were part of the handful that stepped up and backed us in this war, while so many other countries who turned their backs against us and continued to play footsie with the terrorist nations.
They may have had that bad mark against them, but how many of the “good” things do you talk about they did?
Perhaps some are being a bit “MSM like” in only bringing up the mistakes or bad incidents that have been made?
LOL!
Why isn’t the task force commander standing in front of a court martial getting his rank removed? Once the Iranians announced their intention to sink a ship there should have been no hestation to obliterate them. I suspect each ship must now be carrying a politburo lawyer in command of the guns. These ‘rules of engagement’ jerks have weakened our military to the point of vulnerability. This is the same weak kneed crap we had to put up with in Viet Nam – micromanaging combat from afar.
Let me be the first to step up and add my agreement to what RenaOConnor said. As many of us who have worked with the Royal Navy can attest, they are an extremely professional organization, one of the finest fighting organizations in the world, and, as a Navy, have a longer, and to some degree, more glorious history than the US Navy.
Having said that, there is always that pesky thing called “ROE” that we are all called upon to abide by. And, decision time comes, and the skipper has about a thousand things going on in his mind: “… does this really represent a threat? Should I respond? How measured should my response be? What will the consequences be of my actions, in case I decide to respond? In case I decide not to respond?”
The decision must be made NOW, based on what limited information is at his disposal. I’m not trying to defend the RN – just pointing out that unless you’ve ever been in a situation where you had to decide right NOW to shoot or not to shoot, it’s easy to sit back and second-guess. Ask any policeman.
I agree. And all it will take is one mistake on our part. As J S Ragman said, there are probably a whole slew of messages flying back and forth, trying to clarify the ROE for any future incidents. And, I’ll bet that the crews of those three ships have learned the meaning of “General Quarters.”
One further comment concerning the rules of engagement. The Commanding Officer, as the OSC(on-scene commander) can modify the ROE as he sees fit, particularly if there has been an aggressive movement on the part of a small boat. In this case, it’s always better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Sgt Hefty go to Together We Served and sign in.
Of course the whole thing was taped.
Elite Revolutionary Guards is a title, not a discription, but what would Big Media know…
LE Cpl of Marines
Did the ship’s captains have to confer with our traitorous State Dept. or the left wing Jagg’s. before knocking them out of the water.
Rules of engagement should be shown by those Iranian boats on the bottom the of straits NOW. No wonder the world looks at the U.S. as impotent whimps.
Politically correctness and liberalism is making the military gurly-men now.
Interesting timing, yes? Iranians provoke shooting event and who benefits politically in the US? Anti-war Dems and sympathetic media, of course. Isn’t it great that the Democratic Party has the Iranians under their international welcoming tent?
If that was the intent, expect more of same. And don’t hold your breath waiting for some Dem politician or liberal rag to condemn the Iranian behavior.
WWRD? Clear and simple…mince no words or meaning…Reagan would take out all their naval facilities (which would include all their “in place” anti-ship missle systems} in one fell swoop, and then wait for the idiots to blink.
Interesting.
Makes me glad that I vote Republican.
Can you imagine how Edwards/Obama would have handled this situation?
Get in a row boat to chat with the enemies.
WTF!!! It’s a good thing I’m not the President… Buh-bye IRG.
Funny…Allah and I asked the same question at the same time….9:48am!
Speaking of doo-hickey, from the left right on cue.
If Gulf of Tonkin accusations are going to fly around anyway we might as well have blown the Iranian float boys out of the water.
Its at least time for some tight flybys on Iranian vessels, when Bridge Commanders have a Hornet at eye level, near the speed of sound, with the Pilot giving them the bird, they’ll begin to contemplate their own mortalities before playing silly games.
Our answer should have been…”Here…evade this!” Boom…Boom…Boom…Boom…Boom!
right_on – Right on. My sentiments exactly.
In 1981, when our F-14 Tomcats crossed Khadafi’s “Line of Death” in the Gulf of Sidra, our Navy pilots got to splash a couple Libyan SU-22s. In 1989, same deal only that time the F-14s splashed a couple of Libyan Mig-23s. Today’s Navy should treat the Iranian territorial border as a “Line of Death” – whether they cross it or we cross it, either way they get sunk or splashed. The only time they should get within 200 meters of our fleet is if they are sitting on the bottom of the ocean and we sail over them.
The Iranians did this for a reason. I do not know what it is. Perhaps, oil price, or to bow up to the Americans ahead of POTUS’s visit to the Middle East. I always wonder what the signal to the 5th column will be to unleash their murder.
Anyway, my boots are polished, and my BDUs with H-harness is good to go. Weapons are BZOed, and cleaned.
Lets see:
BDU’s-Check
Dungarees-Check
Alice Pack/Sea Bag-Check
Dress Blues-Check
Stenciled skivies-Check
Unit One-Check
Unit Five First Aid Kits-Check
Ability to pass the PRT-Check
KJV Bullet Resistent Bible-Double Check!
GSP is ready for recall……
At least its nice to not have them say ‘Reichstag Building Fire’ for a change
Seems like a combination exercise/probe, and if that’s the case then Jim. M in #47 above makes a good point. They’re finding out just how close they can get.
The Iranians know that the US Navy isn’t going to waste Harpoon and Tomahawk anti-ship missiles on speedboats. And they know that unlike the old days, for close-in defense our ships are no longer bristling with 20mm Oerlikons and 40mm quad Bofors mounts. Today it’s typically a couple of 5-inchers, a couple of Phalanx anti-missile systems (effectiveness against small boats unknown), and maybe some rail-mounted .50 cal.
Can these defenses be overwhelmed by a swarming strategy? Especially if that swarm can close in to just a few hundred yards without being fired upon before making the final dash? That’s one possible interpretation of what the Iranians were thinking.
Or, another possibliity is to use just a handful of boats to ostensibly drop some objects in our ships’ path, knowing that this will cause them to take evasive maneuvers – into a more sophisticated minefield laid earlier by Iranian submarines (or perhaps into the torpedo firing arc of the submarine itself, lying in wait for just this moment).
Either way, the Iranians’ “mosquito” strategy shouldn’t be underestimated as a first strike weapon against our ships. From the Iranians point of view, trading 20 or 30 or 50 sunk speedboats for one sunk US destroyer would be a victory; even if they only punch a hole in our ship but don’t sink her, it’s still a victory (it’s a long way back to Norfolk for repairs, and with fewer than 300 ships in the fleet today the navy’s in no position to risk a lot of damaged ships).
IRG speedboats would – against warships, at least – be pretty much a one-shot disposable weapon at the outset of conflict. But if they can gain surprise, they pose a real direct and indirect threat.
Navy now says we had a Cruiser, a Frigate, and a Destroyer there. Iran says they couldn’t identify our ships. Yeah, right.
The appropriate way to address has come to pass. Perhaps next time.
Didn’t recognize that they were warships? Or didn’t recognize whose warships?
Maybe the Iranians thought it was a group of Icelandic fishing boats.
Either way, they have a lot to learn. I say we go ahead and teach em’.
From past experiance,I know that M-2 Browning,mounted on all U/S.Naval Ships,since the Cole thing,is WELL suted for duck hunting at 200 yards.
When Herman Goering was asked what the downfall of his Luftwaffen was caused by,his reply,”That G*DAMNED BROWNING FIFTY”!I think the Patrol Boat jihadists realized their puny boats are no match for that G*DDAMNED BROWNING 50.
The AP is saying this was “normal”????
The MSM is so what I believe—not.
Here is the link.
So glad to read the patriot’s comments on this blog today.
Everyone commenting is missing the problem the commander of that task group had. If he engages it is an international incident and a “Board of Investigation” or a Court Martial. If he doesn’t and there is damage or worse to one of his ships the same thing. There might have been a bit to much restraint but I can sure see why. This one came out OK but I hope that ROE’s for future operations are very clear. This is very similar to the games we played with the Russian subs in the 50’s and 60’s. Be very careful.
I agree with Bill DeFelice…
Open up with Ma Deuce would do the trick…
Been on the Cole and have come across some moments where I was proud of our response…other times when my brain was screaming for me to just jump over the side and save myself (which I wouldn’t, I go down fighting thank you very much).
Don’t like talking about myself much, but to get an idea of an armed response from Arleigh Burke destroyers you can see my YouTube video.
Littoral is important, but looking ahead to other threats for the mid future, our warships will remain where they are for now. Wouldn’t mind some more PC type craft, though.
These ships have to fend for themselves crossing through areas like Hormuz, Gibraltar and the Suez. Like what happened to us on 2000, you can be on your own for a few days before real help arrives (real help is not a guy with an AK on a fishing boat).
Stronger, more aggressive, emphasis on the preservation of US warships, please. Lack of response after my ship was attacked is already disappointing. The US Navy is perceived as almost invincible as many…we give the other side ground, they will very well take it.
It really won’t matter what the Islamics will do. They basically have a free pass to slaghter as many Americans as they want, by the millions, anywhere in the world…even within our own borders, for the next 300+ days. Even then, after Bush is out of office, there will be some straggling Liberal freaks who will say that Bush/Cheney and others in the Republican/Conservative groups had something to do with it.
Not that they have a clue what the Fulf of Tonkin was in the first place anyway.
However, Islam will be able to run roughshod across the map. Iran will be able to nuke Israel and anything else it can think of, New York can be turned into the world’s biggest ash tray, L.A. and San Francisco will be gone, and the Liberals in this country will go out into the streets, banners held high, chanting as loud as they can for Bush to be impeached, for there to be peace, that Islam is the Real Religion of Peace and that America was the ones who actually committed the attacks as an excuse to go into Iran and to get to their oil reserves and to settle a score with Achmandinejad, or whatever other conspiricy theory they can come up with.
It just does not matter. Islam just can do what they want, and we have to let them, as far as they are concerned.
If you care to see nutroots completely unhinged over this go to the Huffington Post. They have completely lost it.
I do not wish to read anything from traitors and seditious pigs. People who have sold their souls to the enemy hold no interest for me. They all deserve what they will receive.
I’m thinking Iran wanted to see if the US Navy would have caved like the British Navy.
Fat chance.
Pilopino67 I know one of your BM1’s, CS2’s and your Baby Doc from the Cole.
Insert small navy comment here.
for #20 and 34
Geraldo was the first to spit “fabricated” Gulf of Tonkin
I emailed him the following:
“Fabricated my a$$
I was there.
You weren’t”
No response…
I KNEW BUSH DID IT! Hold on! What? OK!
Well? Gotta go. Dennis just dropped by and gave me my Tin Foil Hat and Rosie is at the controls of Shirley’s UFO and we gotta go count ballots in New Hampshire because those three votes he got SHOULD BE FIVE!
Later!