Diebold Derangement Syndrome
It has surfaced again: Nutroots hysteria over alleged voter fraud caused by Evil Diebold:
How Evil Diebold–controlled by the GOP/Bush mafia, you know–got Hillary Clinton voters to conspire with them is not exactly clear. Tinfoil-hat theories never are.
Jason Smith is amused: “The news really isn’t that the nutroots are again blaming electoral defeat on conspiracy theories… but that they’re highlighting the fact that Democrats are out there trying to commit election fraud today. Quite the admission.”
Ha.
Via Instapundit, here’s a closer look at the Diebold conspiracy claims, which concludes:
There are so many variables in an election result that to put Hillary’s win down to jiggery-pokery without any real evidence is over the top. Demographics of the turnout and McCain siphoning Independents away from Obama at the last minute are infinitely more likely to have affected the than Diebold skullduggery.
Rick Moran: “Is it ever going to be possible to have an election in this country where some idiot lefty doesn’t believe that voting machines were hacked and the results tampered with?”
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Well, at least it’s not the Ron Paul folks. They save their protests for online games
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their saying a conservative conspiracy gave hitlery the win? bwhahahahahahh..
snort..
Thanks for that spit all over my monitor!
Don’t they ever get tired of beating the same old songs on the same old drums?At least they can change their voices. Change,change,change,change,change.BTW, I’d like to know what they want to change into what.
I don’t know. The results are SO out of whack with so many polls, including the campaigns’ internal polls and the exit polls. I saw a professor on C-SPAN a while back and according to him, the machines are riggable. I expect the Democratic establishment in New Hampshire had the motive to want to rig them for Hillary Clinton. I’d put nothing past them. I want to find out now because New Hampshire is a swing state.
rather than hand count the scanner method as used in some states, including oklahoma, would be the more accurate method of vote count. you mark next to the box place it through the scanner it is counted.
california has the computer, but your vote is printed on the side by a roll of paper tape and you can watch it print your vote then either correct or submit. and these tape rolls can be used to verify the vote as well as the computer calculation if necessary. we are never going to have a perfect count.
oh but to blame the machines, really?? a conspiracy?? ROFLOL
I personally suspected foul play voter fraud yesterday. NH being a small state, it wouldn’t been all that difficult for the Clintonista machine to rig this vote in her favor.
Were all those poll number wrong? How could they all be off by double digit margins that weren’t in the margin of error?
I’m not blaming the machines on this, but I wouldn’t put it past Terry (moneybags) McCauliffe and others to do this.
No. If they don’t win, there’s something wrong. How could anyone not agree with them? It has to be a mistake.
katieanne (#8) is on to something here. The leftists actually believe they have the right to be in power. They think their postitions are so good for humanity, that the only possible reason they could lose is cheating from the other side.
It just so happens that the other side at this point is themselves. It seems only likely to try to blame Booooosh in some way.
Blues, the answer would be every dollar you earn from paper to a fraction of it in coinage.
Presto! Chango!
How else are they going to pay for socialized healthcare, etc.?
#7 On January 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am, BlameAmericaLast said:
“I personally suspected foul play voter fraud yesterday. NH being a small state, it wouldn’t been all that difficult for the Clintonista machine to rig this vote in her favor.
Were all those poll number wrong? How could they all be off by double digit margins that weren’t in the margin of error?
I’m not blaming the machines on this, but I wouldn’t put it past Terry (moneybags) McCauliffe and others to do this.”
I agree with you, Blame.
I would not put a thing past the Clintonistas and McCauliffe.
As has been said before, the Clintons, and I believe especially Hillary, are power-hungry; and will do anything – anything – for power.
Why else would Hillary have put up with her randy goat spouse for these decades?
The answer, of course, is POWER.
My wife, and I’m sure she is not alone, would have sent a p**ck (pun intended) like Bill packing at the first hint of infidelity (Remember, fidelity is derived from the Latin for trust, or loyalty.)
But, she didn’t do that, even after the humiliation of the Lewinsky mess (literal as well as figurative).
So, what is one to conclude?
Either:
Hillary was too weak and meek to jettison Bill –
if so, do we really want, and can we really trust, someone like that as President?;
or,
Hillary saw nothing morally wrong with Bill’s excellent adventures –
if so, do we really want, and can we really trust, someone like that as President?;
or,
Hillary put up with being s**t upon by Bill all this time because she has an overwhelming hunger for power, that overrode the revulsion, anger, and outrage that she should have felt at being trated thus by her spouse –
if so, do we really want, and can we really trust, someone like that as President?
Think about it.
Exit polls can be highly unreliable. Remember that Kerry won the exit polls in 2004 by a huge margin? Bush won the actual votes…
“…treated thus…
Apologies.
I think I may go long on Alcoa. It’s only a couple of dollars off its 52-week low, and I sense a huge demand for tinfoil coming.
When delusion becomes the norm…..
The only way that I can see to rig the vote in Tarrant County, TX, due to the
machines we use, is to have unqualified voters, voting. You can look at the
tape before you submit your ballot and you can look at it again after you
submit your ballot and see that your vote was counted. As for the Dems
thinking all elections they do not win are rigged…well, I was raised that the
person that thinks someone is always trying to steal from him is, at heart, a
thief. Same goes for Dems who are always screaming rigged elections……..
they are, at heart, wanting to rig elections. I agree with JS Ragman. My
husband has been stocking up on foil for years. He says if the Dems wind
up in power, we just might need it ourselves.
at least they’re not blaming us for it. I can just kick back with a Mai-Tai and watch the schandenfreuden (spelling?)
Any computerized voting machine is riggable, but it’s funny to see the Dems going crazy over Diebold. Somehow Hillary must have forced Cheney to have gotten Blackwater to threaten Diebold into rigging the machines for Hillary. I wonder how that happened – oh yeah, anyone seen the Cheny’s cat recently? I thought not.
Any computer based voting machine is unverifiable, they should just be avoided.
The people most conversant with computer security have been trying to raise the alarm over that kind of machine since election officials started talking about buying them.
The fact that Diebold management are Republicans fuels the Lefts projection and paranoia, but in this case it’s useful.
Milton Bradley should cash in on all of these moon bats by retooling their game of CLUE (Clinton Lunatics Unhinged Eternally). Possible scenarios could include:
It was Bill in the Oval Office with a Cigar
It was Joe in Niger with an aluminum pipe
It was Vince in Fort Marcy Park with a gun
It was Karl in Ohio with a Diebold
It was George in Baghdad with WMD
It was Rudy in WTC with a bomb
It was Webster in the book room with billing records
It was Marc in Switzerland with bribe money
It was Scooter in the press room with a telephone
It was Dick in the OEB with a shotgun
It was Ken in the travel office with a computer
It was Hillary in NH with a cackle
I’m sure that it was something more low tech… All of the black folks in NH received notices that they were to vote today and to be sure that all of their parking tickets needed to be paid.
There was a thread on DU the day of the Iowa caucuses claiming that an Israeli company was responsible for tabulating the caucus votes.
The funny (sad?) thing is, when Hillary won NH last name, I actually thought, “Hmmm, now *there* might be a real case of fraud.” I mean, what machine if not the Clinton machine would/could do this in crunch times, such as when you’ve just had your butt soundly defeated by your enemy? If anyone, HRC’s machine would/could.
Maybe it’s better this way though. I mean, in the general elections, the GOP can surely get more independent votes against polarizing Hillary than against new fresh-faced ‘candidates of change’, right? Right?? *sigh*
I thnk there is a significant difference between what we do in the privacy of the poll booth and what we say to a poll taker.
I am confused by one thing, if they were using electronic voting why were they yelling about running out of ballots?
Where’s Jimmah? He’ll get to the bottom of this!
Oops – ‘last name’ = “last time”. *grabs coffee*
Standard liberal attire AFDB
ROFLOL Azygos!
Oh! I like that! ROFLMAO
The punditry and pollsters were WRONG as they frequently have been over the past few years. A breakdown of who turned out for Shrillary was a laundry list of traditional Democratic constitutents among whites, particularly single women and old people. Who wants to bet most of those single women are also single moms (the most dangerous voters in America, if you ask me)?
Look for the media mob to now glom onto single women as this election cycle’s Soccer Mom until the SC primary.
But I just bought one off eBay! Now what do I do?
/sarc
Several observations
She won by 3 points. If I were her (eww), and had been wearing the tiara of “Little Miss Inevitable”, I’d still be leaking in a different way than PIAPS was in the diner. 3 points is not a mandate.
Even had she lost she wouldn’t have given up.
The polls were off.
yOmama didnt look discouraged at all last nite after it was called.
He should have cried.
Something is fishy, but I don’t believe it is the machines.
What does Oprah think?
Do they grow any corn in NH?
Can Chelsea go home now?
Another low moment in New Englad politics.
Could someone please give Mitt Romney a muscle relaxer. He looks so tense and stiff out there. Gotta relax.
I’m surprised she “won”. Stunned. But she reminds me of them foolish Union generals in 1861 that thought the war was gonna be a turkey shoot and then they’d all go home. Methinks she is in a dogfight.
Presidential primaries are a slaughterhouse. And after the Big One, the winner gets crucified. Do either
Barry or PIAPS have it in them?
Granite:
The method is, of course, by any means necessary.
Gandolphxx…Our voting machines use ballots. You mark your ballot, run it through the machine to be read, and it is then deposited inside the machine until a
worker takes the ballots out and places them in a box that she/he places a seal on.
This is the point where you could possibly rig ballots but you would have to run
counterfeit ballots, mark them and make certain that their numbers match the
numbers on the unused ballots and I shuffle our ballots before they are placed on the table for the voter to pick up and take to the voting booth. Therefore, someone
would have to shuffle their fake ballots in exactly the same order as I did, or have so much time in which to switch ballots that they could pull the same numbers from
their stacks of ballots as I did.
Sure exit polls can be wrong, but even the pundits were claiming last night (including Dick Morris himself), that never in his life has he ever seen anything like this.
And he’s seen plenty, I’m sure…
#32 On January 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:
“Granite:
The answer, of course, is POWER.
The method is, of course, by any means necessary.”
You got that right, my friend!
Did I hear that potential voters in NH could register to vote that say at the voting place? If so I wonder how many out of state persons became instant NH residents and voted?
Pardon say=day. Keys too close for fat fingers!
The ville is located here in blue NH. My wife works in the same building that both dem candidates have headquarters. Obama people are nice, Clinton people are rude. On election day a bus pulled up and Clinton people poured out. I heard that they were from Springfield Mass. and were being paid $75 each. Perhaps they were voters, perhaps not.
Never underestimate the publics capacity to be dumber than granite.
#38 On January 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, calamityville said:
“The ville is located here in blue NH. My wife works in the same building that both dem candidates have headquarters.”
Calamity: Whereabouts in NH?
I’m a NH boy stuck here in Mass (what came over me, I do not know).
#39 On January 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
“Never underestimate the publics capacity to be dumber than granite.”
Ummm…I’m assuming you meant the stone, not me? Yes?
Granite we are in very blue SWNH next to a college town. The dems here drive me crazy.
Questioning the validity of election results allows the Left to ignore the will of the people and still claim to love democracy.
If they are fighting a corrupt system instead of the will of the people then any tactics are justified.
I believe Meatpie is referring to the Granite State. Not you…
Calamityville:
I went to UNH, and we lived in another college town for 20+ years.
Yes, I know exactly where you mean.
#44 BlameAmericaLast:
I’m sure – just kiddin’ ’round.
It just breaks my heart to think that NH might be morphing into Mass. North, though.
Granite,
I remember going to NH as a kid (in the 70s) and having tons of fun in the mountains, etc. It’s just become too liberal. They have managed to ruin everything.
Concord was a nice town. All that’s changed, which is really too bad.
I have a lot of relatives in MA, who are now migrating to NV. They’re taxed out of their minds.
Actually, this is incorrect. Hillary was shown as having lost badly in all the “EXIT” polls, including polling done by her own campaign. Exit polls should not be effected by “last minute changes in mind.” The votes are already cast.
I do believe it’s funny that they’re blaming Bush, but I think ignoring the possibility of the results being tampered with is a bit naive. New Hampshire has had it’s problems in the past. The Clintons have cheated in elections before, registering dead people, animals, and illegal aliens to help win close battles.
SEE IT IN ACTION HERE.
If it was anyone other than the Clintons
I would say no way. But there is NOTHING
including murder that I would put past them. No law, no person, no act that will stand in the way of the Clinton crime family.
Maybe my hatred of them is clouding my judgment. Perhaps it’s just coincidence that N.H. was running out of ballots, that the Clintons were filling up there rallies with out of state supporters, that N.H. was Bill’s come-back state.
I don’t know. I do know that they are as crooked as the day is long.
That said, no matter who gets the Dems nomination, We are going to need an even stronger Republican to win the election. There is to much at stake to run another Bob Dole type.
#48 On January 9th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, madchef:
Yep.
Agreed.
There is a tremendous amount at stake this election.
More than I can remmeber; and I started voting in 1972 (because the voting age had been lowered from 21 to 18).
Uh, remember…apologies.
While a lot of this is hysterical nonsense, electronic voting machines are a horrible idea. They can and have been hacked. And a good hacker can change votes without leaving a trace. You need a physical trail. Optical scan ballots are the best. Initial paper trail, but you can scan them electronically to make tallies fast.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530
This is interesting. There are just too many anomalies. The only way to get a recount is for a candidate to ask for one and Obama wouldn’t want to look like an uppity sore loser, would he? ABC News says this was the first time ever that NH didn’t rotate candidates names on the ballot. Clinton was always at the top (below just Biden) and Obama was always almost bottom – a clear advantage for Clinton, big advantage, and PROOF that the establishment was trying to rig the vote. Why stop there?
http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4107883
Rick asks:
Haven’t you seen Robin Williams in “Man of the People?” Libs have too much at stake to just abandon their kook theories on “evil conservative” intentions to manipulate the American vote.
Have to remember that most Democrats do not beleive in Democracy. Vote fraud is prevailent and evil. Requiring government I.D’s to prevent vote fraud is evil. Using better equipment that allows the huge numbers of Americans that want to vote to vote is evil. The point of all the complaints they have about voting is that they want to make it impossible to vote so that they can get rid of the vote and allow big brother to make all the decisions for us. Because democracy of the people, by the people and most importantly for the people is evil. They want to replace the USA with the USSA.
It is similar to the eco-terrorists. Nuclear Energy is evil. Oil is evil. Wind power is evil. Solar cells are evil. In the end the whole purpose is to do their best to allow as many humans to doe off as possible so that mother nature can be free from humans.
TXRose – you are talking about voting in New Hampshire? I ask only due to your screen name – i live in Texas and our machines don’t require paper, no hanging chads, etc.
As for electronic voting. I love the idea of electronic voting and the eventual disolving of the the United Stated House of Representatives and the actual voting on bills by individuals. I really hope to see this. That would get ride of 4/5ths of the corruption in our federal government.
Can a third party person (not a candidate) request a recount?
But then again, that won’t matter either, because those ballots were probably stuffed with fabricated votes for Hillary anyway. They must’ve thrown out the real ones.
Maybe some trash worker will find them in a dumpster somewhere. But then again, they’ve probably been shredded and taken to the ocean by now.
As was asked around the ‘sphere yesterday, “what will it take to get us rid of the Clintons?!” Seems like we were delivered, then NH happened. Then McCain bursts forth like a crocus through the snow. Sheesh. Like many, I just pray for level & cool heads to prevail as the “distillation” process of the candidates continues. As I asked somewhere yesterday, regarding the HRC vote turnout, “how stupid can people get?”. And I answered myself, “apparently, quite…” Barf.
These Dieboldt comments are scary. Michelle’s post is making fun of sore losers who claim a Dieboldt conspiracy. many commenters here claim that the conspiracy is true. It sounds a lot like what Dems said about the 2000 election. It also sounds a little like the start of “Hillary Derangement Syndrome”.
So if Obama had won, would it be agreed that NH has a fair and accurate primary process????
Gandolphxx…I was talking about voting in TX. I have
never been to NH……but have been to MD, DC, NC and
VA on that side of the country. Always come back to
TX.
Oh yes. In Tarrant County, home of Ft Worth and Arlington among other cities
and towns, unless you vote early, there is a paper trail. We use cardboard ballots that are read on their way through the machine.
It would’ve been a little more believable. To see Hillary sink like a lead balloon after placing 3rd in Iowa and losing her double digit gains, and all the dozens of polls with double digit gains for Obama over Hillary, just doesn’t add up.
It’s not Hillary Derangement Syndrome. It’s just that most of us don’t trust the Clintons, as it should be.
They’ve lied, deceived, cheated their way into just about everything they’ve done in life in the pursuit of “power”.
It is amazing that the people who impede all steps to eliminate voter fraud throw up this crap. Oh no! cannot have photo ID’s…or more motor voter laws, or Cook county IL morgue ID’s. These people need to be deported!
For Rick Moran:
um, no. And please add “beauty pageant,” “major sporting event” [that their side doesn't win], “American Idol” finals, etc. etc.
as for,
Did anybody?
I can’t even remember the last movie RW made that might have been worth putting down $9 for, can you?
Michelle, I’ve gotta disagree with you here.
These voting companies have refused to allow independent investigations of these voting machines. It’s not a fear-mongering liberal movement that is saying this – it’s simple fact. The companies have refused to allow anyone to verify or test these machines, and the “security” on them is a joke at best.
I’m in IT, so I can tell you that there is no bug-free system and there is no way in hell there’s a better system than paper ballots or a paper trail for the electronic voting booths.
Nutroots rant and rave about everything on God’s green earth but in this case it isn’t just them – it’s everyone. These systems are inherently flawed and miscalculate votes on a regular basis. For even one vote to be cast aside thanks to a faulty machine is a crime against our democracy. And the companies behind them have actively sought to prevent any investigations into their flaws. It happened in California and it’s happening in New Jersey. Search TechDirt for “voting” or just take a quick look at Princeton professor Ed Felten’s blog, Freedom to Tinker.