I think you are most probably right….

It is you who has to get his Christian roots in order my friend.

Maybe you think this s a fair remark. But coming from guy who thinks that “the world” will not hate us if Ron paul of all people becomes President, that makes sense.

I agree that abortion is among the worst of human sins. God gives us free choice, and so does Rudy. The point he he is againstit, and his public push as Mayor for adoption over abortion earned him the scorn of the NY media for years. And there are other necessry qualifications to be President. Rudy has them, paul does not. And you misspeak too often, my friend. Done.

Navywife,

Always happy to help. God bless your husband and may He keep him safe. Call on me anytime.

your comment about me saying “not lately” implied that I really don’t care when someone is killed.

Naturally, I didn’t mean it this way NW. And to address CC’s concerns, I apologize if I cam off as rash. I read what I wrote again and didn’t see it that way, but perhaps I could have substituted some words for others. When I write in this small box, it’s difficult to go back and read the entire post again, so I don’t do it. Normally I do it many times to make sure my point is made without being offensive.

Regarding the word neocon, I don’t view it as offensive, but rather descriptive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

You can blame father neocon Irving Kristol and those whom follow the philosophy of Strauss for exactly where our nation is today under the “New” Republicans leadership. Rothbard does a good job of explaining this, via non-neocon writing, in his book, “The Betrayal of the American Right” that I eluded to in my post to CC.

Regarding Ahmadenijad, I never said I support him or even defend him, but rather I try to do my own research on what really happened (or was said) on any issue to form my own views. Ahmadenijad, does not run the country, but rather supreme leader Ali Khamenei who said in 2005, “the Islamic Republic has never threatened and will never threaten any country.”

Peace and I hope your husband comes home soon.

Respectfully,

Fed Up

My, my how we jump to conclusions…

I see in you a man who is the most dangerous there is; the man with only a little knowledge who thinks he knows much, driven by passion. Much like the man whom you believe will bring about world peace, Ron paul).

dangerous? what did I say that makes me dangerous? that I want peace on no entaglements with other nations? that I want our government to be more loving of their neighbor?

Realistically we have learned that love will not buy away the murdeous ways of terrorists, and I know of not a single scriptural passage specifically which states that if someone wants to murder your wife that you should stand aside and let them do it.

I said nothing about being pasive if one is attacked/defenseless. You jump to conclusions here cc. I never said that a Christian can’t defend themselves.

Prov. 25:26 – A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.

“God has allowed evil to exist for a time, and we are forced to adjust to this circumstance. This evil must at times be resisted with force, or greater evil will result. There is a time for self-defense. Christians are not to wage physical warfare for the advance of the Kingdom, but rather, spiritual warfare.”

Lastly, your holier-than-thou pasturing is quite offensive. If you were as devoted as you say, then you’d have nothing to do with earthly politics, as it is the government of heaven which is preached in the Bible. But your purity is clearly selective, as are your facts.”

So if I quote the Bible or tell a Christian my opinion on what they are doing, I’m “holier than thou?” Interesting you took it that way. All I did was point out Christian Just War Theory and Love Thy Neighbor issues, which doesn’t seem to be the mantra of the “New” Republican party. It sure was of the old.

As far as Giuliani, I should have said, “pro-choice,” rather than “abortionist.” I listened to him on Sean Hanity’s show when he first declared. He said about abortion, “I’m against abortion, but I’m for a woman’s right to choose.” Typical politician. Sorry Rudy, you can’t have it both ways.

Proverbs 31:8-9. Speak for those who cannot speak for themselves, defend those who cannot defend themselves, and plead the cause of those in need.

There are over 1 million abortions a year in the U.S. I will do everything in my power to stop anyone who is pro-choice from becoming President, as I view it as the number one issue with Supreme Court justice nominations on the line.

Ron Paul is trying to take the issue away from the Federal (Supreme Court) level via Roe V. Wade, and I support that. He came up with “The Sanctity of Life Act:” http://www.covenantnews.com/abortion/archives/034987.html

Your “backing up” of your statements with evidence is laughable: vanity fair and CNN don’t qualify. I’ll chalk up your scriptural misinterpretation to ignorance.

Didn’t use Vanity Fair in my reply to you. I used it in my reply to NavyWife as my friends son died in the war and they did an article on him because he went to war because of what Christopher Hitchens wrote.

Christianity issues aside, you still said nothing about the economics of paying for the wars via the inflation on We The People.

If you have a different “Christian” view, then I’d like to hear it. And I am really not claiming any superiority over you, just questioning the support of Giuliani in two issues that don’t seem to follow the Bible; Islamofacism and Abortion.

Naturally, because of our prior conversations, I respect your opinion.

Peace,

Fed Up

NW

This will be my last word for this off topic post.

I appreciate the fact that you have been relatively respectful to me regarding my opinions. I support the war on all fronts, but consider myself neither a “neocon” (which I feel is a derogatory term) or a “warmonger”. I wish my husband was here at home, but there are many of us who believe this war is necessary and just, not illegal. My heart aches everytime I hear of a soldier, sailor, marine or airman being killed. Not so long ago we were inundated with reports of soldiers being killed almost daily. Now the tide has turned, whether you all like to admit it or not, so as a result,I very seldom see anything on the news about Iraq. I felt I must address that because your comment about me saying “not lately” implied that I really don’t care when someone is killed.

As far as the USS Cole goes, I never accused you of bringing it up! I simply stated you brought up the size of the iranian boats and that they are too small to pose a threat. I think that was pretty clear in my posts.

As far as what I meant by “taking the side”, I thought that was pretty clear too. You would believe a man like Ahmadenijad, who says such contemptable and false things, doesn’t wish harm upon us or Israel. I know you think it’s all about the Zionists(not your words, but they are invoked by others referenced in the link you posted above), but when I hear that it makes my skin crawl. I’m no expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict and don’t claim to be. I think finding links and doing a little internet research doesn’t qualify one as being an expert although it does help to spark the interest about that situation.

Yes, I am well aware we are a Republic, but having more democracies around the world instead of tyrannical leaders who murder, torture, rape and gas their people is more beneficial.

Regardless of how much I disagree with you and the person you support for President, I wish you well.

NW

I have to (re)comment on this:

It is both the Left and the Right who are taking America down.

While you, on the other hand, are engaged in an act of devine detachment, apart of the ignorant masses, placed in a spiritually-bestowed position of centerist, objective perfection, I suppose. I see.

Incidentally, do you believe in neolibertarians as much as neocons and neoliberals? if so, describe, please, their identifying attributes.

Quite frankly I’m deeply offended by the christian posturing and did a good job of cutting you down but lost it(I’ve been a theological student my whole life and fencing christian theology with me is usually not a fine idea. Re that, not that my faith is any of your business, I’ll reference a certain holiday and direct you to Jeremiah 10, 1-5. That will give you a tiny hint as to how devoted – and knowledgeable of scripture I am. I see in you a man who is the most dangerous there is; the man with only a little knowledge who thinks he knows much, driven by passion. Much like the man whom you believe will bring about world peace, Ron paul).

Realistically we have learned that love will not buy away the murdeous ways of terrorists, and I know of not a single scriptural passage specifically which states that if someone wants to murder your wife that you should stand aside and let them do it.

Giuliani is not an abortionist. he obeys the law, and appropos that, as far as acts are concerned, there is a continual seperation between belief and acts in both testiments which appear to have evaded you. Obey the laws of men, but keep the faith; belief and faith assures salvation, not acts. You seem to have in the aggregate hopelessly confused the two and bundled it all together in your mind into some kind of moral purity, which shows me that knowledgable about scripture you are not enough to be holding these kinds of discussions with any kind of intellectual honesty.

Lastly, your holier-than-thou pasturing is quite offensive. If you were as devoted as you say, then you’d have nothing to do with earthly politics, as it is the government of heaven which is preached in the Bible. But your purity is clearly selective, as are your facts.

Your “backing up” of your statements with evidence is laughable: vanity fair and CNN don’t qualify. I’ll chalk up your scriptural misinterpretation to ignorance.

On another note, you owe navywife an apology; for you to engage her in as insensitive a way as you did considering he husband is in harms way is beneath contempt.

I’m done with you on this, truly. You probably see that as a victory of some sort – people driven by a sense of personal victory as i suspect you are often see the world in that way. If you think Ron paul will bring about world peace have fun. Everyone should have a hobby. I’m done with you this, though. You’ve shown your true colors this time around, and they are as selfish, insensitive, arrogant, foolish and absurd as the man you follow. And that makes sense.

Have the last word if you want, it won’t bother me one way or the other any more than you already have.

Enjoy.

navywife,

I didn’t bring up the U.S.S. Cole, you did. I was pointing out that the Cole was docked and the U.S. ships in the gulf were not….therefore, “a big difference.”

The difference is that the U.S. ships are prepared to blow the little boats out of the water, the U.S.S. Cole wasn’t as it was docked.

Regarding the rest, who are we to franshise demorcracy around the world? Besides, we are not a democracy, we are a republic.

What do you mean I am taking the side? I pointed out what is known by anyone who does research (like me) and pointed out facts. It is you who will still belive the media lies.

Regarding the D of I, you said; “I’ll give my country benefit of the doubt.” I said I won’t give my government the benefit of the doubt. They are fighting an “undeclared war” per Article 1 Sec. 8 of the Constitution: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul57.html

Regarding polls, you don’t have to agree or disagree with them. The only thing that matters is the Republicans lost both the House and the Senate in 2006 with their warmongering party.

What will change this November if they have the same platform? This is what baffles me as far as the current thinking of the “New” Republican party. Garbage in results in garbage out.

As far as the “not lately” comment, 9 soldiers died in two days last week. Undeclared wars always end badly for the soldiers. I don’t want to see anymore die.

Respectfully and thanks for sharing your opinion (I do consider all sides as my friends son died in the war). It was covered in December’s Vanity Fair.

Fed Up

The U.S. Cole was docked in the Port of Yemen. Big difference.

The USS Cole was docked, but you weren’t talking about the location of our ships. You implied the size of the iranian boats results in no threat, so I addressed the size issue with my post. Based on that, I think my argument is solid. Does that mean that these little boats were actually going to attempt something? Who knows, but if my husband were still on the Port Royal, I’d want them to err on the side of caution.

Also, regarding Israel and Ahmadinejad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ

I support We The People’s right to hold its leaders in check with or without media attempt to propagandize reality.

It says in our Declaration of Independence: “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Wow, that link was “educational”. I enjoyed the part where the speaker talked about Israeli soldiers intentionally killing children. Could it be the same man who wrote some of those articles in Ron Paul’s various newsletters that have been circulating lately? Look, I can search the internet too and find people who interpret what he said differently. There is no concensus, but you’ll believe who you want and I’ll believe the truth. This guy denies the Holocaust and wants a world without the United States, but we have nothing to fear? Sure he wants democracy in Israel, but not in his country? You actually take the side of a man who said there are no homosexuals in Iran. Good luck with that. I’m not quite sure why you included the Declaration of Independence quote. Is that with regards to our current government and the neocons you Paulbots think are in charge or are you using it to support Iran’s call for regime change in Israel?

Oh, and I’m sure you and Cat probably covered this in your posts, but I’d like to address the “70% of Americans are against the war” quote. Well, we all know how reliable those polls are after last week, don’t we? Frankly I don’t really care what those people think because my husband is there doing his job so that everyone here gets to go on with life as normal. With all of the bad news we are constantly bombarded with(not lately because things seem to be relatively quiet), it’s a wonder 90% aren’t against the war.