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	<title>Comments on: Ms. magazine loves strong women, except&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: dakine</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217909</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poke, it&#039;s pretty obvious what you&#039;re trying to say.  Do us all a favor and remind me when women were granted the right to vote, began attending college and post-graduate programs in meaningful numbers and have had access to the whole gamut of career options.  Sometime in the extreme later end of the 5,000 year period to which you refer maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poke, it&#8217;s pretty obvious what you&#8217;re trying to say.  Do us all a favor and remind me when women were granted the right to vote, began attending college and post-graduate programs in meaningful numbers and have had access to the whole gamut of career options.  Sometime in the extreme later end of the 5,000 year period to which you refer maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: pokenhorn</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217854</link>
		<dc:creator>pokenhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, Dakine. Easy girl. I did not, and do not, use the term &#039;superior&#039;. I am saying &#039;not equal&#039;. Can you say that with all we know about history over the last 5000 years that men and women have made positive contributions in those areas in approximately equal numbers? Don&#039;t take it personally. Look at the proposition with detachment and argue it from whatever facts we have. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, Dakine. Easy girl. I did not, and do not, use the term &#8217;superior&#8217;. I am saying &#8216;not equal&#8217;. Can you say that with all we know about history over the last 5000 years that men and women have made positive contributions in those areas in approximately equal numbers? Don&#8217;t take it personally. Look at the proposition with detachment and argue it from whatever facts we have. Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217716</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, &quot;brah&quot; not &quot;bra&quot; as pointed out by aj in another thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, &#8220;brah&#8221; not &#8220;bra&#8221; as pointed out by aj in another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217713</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m not mistaken ladies, I believe pokenhorn is basically saying that males are superior to females (specifically, that men are smarter than women) and to think otherwise indicates that one has been brainwashed by the liberal MSM.  That about cover it bra?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken ladies, I believe pokenhorn is basically saying that males are superior to females (specifically, that men are smarter than women) and to think otherwise indicates that one has been brainwashed by the liberal MSM.  That about cover it bra?</p>
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		<title>By: pokenhorn</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217445</link>
		<dc:creator>pokenhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equality? If we are equal, why do we have separate athletic events for men and women? In golf, track and field, swimming and diving, etc. Why do women receive softer justice in the courts...recall Winkler, LaFave, et. al.? Why do certain entertainment establishments have &#039;ladie&#039;s night&#039; but not gents night? Why historically have men made virtually all the advances in math, chemistry, physics, electronics, the arts, literature, and all matters cerebral? O.K. there is a Hatshepsut here and a Madame Curie there, but what freakish exceptions they are. Liberalism requires that we all live a lie. Trying to live this lie has corroded our culture grievously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equality? If we are equal, why do we have separate athletic events for men and women? In golf, track and field, swimming and diving, etc. Why do women receive softer justice in the courts&#8230;recall Winkler, LaFave, et. al.? Why do certain entertainment establishments have &#8216;ladie&#8217;s night&#8217; but not gents night? Why historically have men made virtually all the advances in math, chemistry, physics, electronics, the arts, literature, and all matters cerebral? O.K. there is a Hatshepsut here and a Madame Curie there, but what freakish exceptions they are. Liberalism requires that we all live a lie. Trying to live this lie has corroded our culture grievously.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217180</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;(Correction) Ms. magazine is so hostile to Israel...&lt;/strong&gt;

Michelle Malkin and Gateway Pundit have pointed to a double-standard being displayed by Ms. Magazine, which wouldn&#039;t run an ad featuring three left-wing - I repeat, LEFT-WING - women who have high positions in Israeli politics and government: Tzipi L....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>(Correction) Ms. magazine is so hostile to Israel&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Michelle Malkin and Gateway Pundit have pointed to a double-standard being displayed by Ms. Magazine, which wouldn&#8217;t run an ad featuring three left-wing &#8211; I repeat, LEFT-WING &#8211; women who have high positions in Israeli politics and government: Tzipi L&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-217167</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;It really doesn&#039;t make a difference, because they&#039;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Michelle Malkin and Gateway Pundit have pointed to a double-standard being displayed by Ms. Magazine, which wouldn&#039;t run an ad featuring three left-wing - I repeat, LEFT-WING - women who have high positions in Israeli politics and government: Tzipi L....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>It really doesn&#8217;t make a difference, because they&#8217;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Michelle Malkin and Gateway Pundit have pointed to a double-standard being displayed by Ms. Magazine, which wouldn&#8217;t run an ad featuring three left-wing &#8211; I repeat, LEFT-WING &#8211; women who have high positions in Israeli politics and government: Tzipi L&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-216857</link>
		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;feminists&quot; consistently live up to, and indeed exceed my worst expectations.

They clearly have &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; interest in the welfare or the rights of ordinary women.

If they were primarily interested in the rights of women, that alone would decide them in favor of Israel, where women are everywhere integrated into the communities of business and politics, and against the &quot;palistinians&quot; under who&#039;s sway women are truly reduced to chattel.

If women&#039;s rights were their litmus test for anything, this would be a simple uncontroversial matter.

When you consider their actions their priorities are clear:

-- Political power for themselves personally
-- Fashionable standing among the anti-western political crowd

An ordinary housewife or schoolgirl in the &quot;territories&quot;? Who cares!

And I&#039;ve seen a fair amount of writing on this subject from women who come from the mohammedan parts of the world, and those who have experience there, who are &lt;i&gt;truly&lt;/i&gt; concerned with women&#039;s rights, about &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;how little interest they receive from fashionable western &quot;feminists&quot; !&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 

The Ms. magazine crowd are scum. Collaborators. Worse than the Vichy servants of the Nazis.

At least the Vichy gang had the excuse that the Nazis had conquered them militarily. These people are pro-actively seeking opportunities to collaborate.

Why?

Because they imagine that under a mohammedan regime &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;they would be members of the privileged ruling class.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; -- that they would be hanging out with Queen Noor and her pals, bossing the servants around.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;They don&#039;t identify with the ordinary girl-in-the-street mohammedan&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, bossed around and possibly even molested by her own father and brothers and male cousins, smothered under concealing robes, and condemned to a life of ignorance and obedience.

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BTW I heard all of this before from the women of the black civil rights movement. 

The issue of that day was: &quot;&lt;i&gt;black women have always been &#039;liberated&#039; in the sense of having to work for a living. That&#039;s not the problem. The problem is that we&#039;re still treated like dirt because we&#039;re black!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

And guess what?

The Ms. types and NOW types had no time for them either.

Those ordinary, often poor women had nothing to offer in the way of political power and influence. So they were dropped like a hot rock.

It&#039;s an old story.

============

Someone who knows more than me ought to write a book about it.

For all I know, maybe somebody has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;feminists&#8221; consistently live up to, and indeed exceed my worst expectations.</p>
<p>They clearly have <b><i>no</i></b> interest in the welfare or the rights of ordinary women.</p>
<p>If they were primarily interested in the rights of women, that alone would decide them in favor of Israel, where women are everywhere integrated into the communities of business and politics, and against the &#8220;palistinians&#8221; under who&#8217;s sway women are truly reduced to chattel.</p>
<p>If women&#8217;s rights were their litmus test for anything, this would be a simple uncontroversial matter.</p>
<p>When you consider their actions their priorities are clear:</p>
<p>&#8211; Political power for themselves personally<br />
&#8211; Fashionable standing among the anti-western political crowd</p>
<p>An ordinary housewife or schoolgirl in the &#8220;territories&#8221;? Who cares!</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve seen a fair amount of writing on this subject from women who come from the mohammedan parts of the world, and those who have experience there, who are <i>truly</i> concerned with women&#8217;s rights, about <b><i>how little interest they receive from fashionable western &#8220;feminists&#8221; !</i></b> </p>
<p>The Ms. magazine crowd are scum. Collaborators. Worse than the Vichy servants of the Nazis.</p>
<p>At least the Vichy gang had the excuse that the Nazis had conquered them militarily. These people are pro-actively seeking opportunities to collaborate.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because they imagine that under a mohammedan regime <b><i>they would be members of the privileged ruling class.</i></b> &#8212; that they would be hanging out with Queen Noor and her pals, bossing the servants around.</p>
<p><b><i>They don&#8217;t identify with the ordinary girl-in-the-street mohammedan</i></b>, bossed around and possibly even molested by her own father and brothers and male cousins, smothered under concealing robes, and condemned to a life of ignorance and obedience.</p>
<p>=============</p>
<p>BTW I heard all of this before from the women of the black civil rights movement. </p>
<p>The issue of that day was: &#8220;<i>black women have always been &#8216;liberated&#8217; in the sense of having to work for a living. That&#8217;s not the problem. The problem is that we&#8217;re still treated like dirt because we&#8217;re black!</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>And guess what?</p>
<p>The Ms. types and NOW types had no time for them either.</p>
<p>Those ordinary, often poor women had nothing to offer in the way of political power and influence. So they were dropped like a hot rock.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an old story.</p>
<p>============</p>
<p>Someone who knows more than me ought to write a book about it.</p>
<p>For all I know, maybe somebody has.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianNY</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-216783</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS. Magazine are just typical liberals who are both deathly afraid of the real global threat to women, and have absolutely no solutions to correct the problem.

They saw what happened to Theo van Gogh in 2004, and they&#039;re not stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS. Magazine are just typical liberals who are both deathly afraid of the real global threat to women, and have absolutely no solutions to correct the problem.</p>
<p>They saw what happened to Theo van Gogh in 2004, and they&#8217;re not stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Planck's Constant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Planck's Constant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;For the Love of Jihad...&lt;/strong&gt;

A tip of the turban to Kathy at Five Feet of Fury for pointing us to this ad rejected by Ms. Magazine was too dhimmified to run because : members are seen you really want to know what the rise of Hamas and its formation of the new government might mean...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>For the Love of Jihad&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A tip of the turban to Kathy at Five Feet of Fury for pointing us to this ad rejected by Ms. Magazine was too dhimmified to run because : members are seen you really want to know what the rise of Hamas and its formation of the new government might mean&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jsr</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/11/ms-magazine-loves-strong-women-except/comment-page-1/#comment-216762</link>
		<dc:creator>jsr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“I believe that we have not yet achieved equality in the U.S.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Around my house they have achieved not only superiority, they have iron rule!  The heavy hand of Latina oppression is not a pretty thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I believe that we have not yet achieved equality in the U.S.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Around my house they have achieved not only superiority, they have iron rule!  The heavy hand of Latina oppression is not a pretty thing.</p>
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		<title>By: englishqueen01</title>
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		<dc:creator>englishqueen01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“I believe that we have not yet achieved equality in the U.S.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really?  As a woman, there is no other country on the planet where I feel I&#039;d be treated more equally or have the same freedoms I have here.

The problem is not &quot;equality&quot;.  Feminists strive to remove gender from the equation at all, preferring to create a generation of androgynous beings rather than looking at men and women as equal and &lt;em&gt;complimentary&lt;/em&gt;.

They shun the feminine and demonize the masculine and call this &quot;equality&quot;.  I&#039;ll have none of it, thankyouverymuch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I believe that we have not yet achieved equality in the U.S.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  As a woman, there is no other country on the planet where I feel I&#8217;d be treated more equally or have the same freedoms I have here.</p>
<p>The problem is not &#8220;equality&#8221;.  Feminists strive to remove gender from the equation at all, preferring to create a generation of androgynous beings rather than looking at men and women as equal and <em>complimentary</em>.</p>
<p>They shun the feminine and demonize the masculine and call this &#8220;equality&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll have none of it, thankyouverymuch.</p>
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		<title>By: Larraby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larraby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand the peculiar form of psychosis that is at work with Gloria Steinem and the people who run Ms. Magazine. To them, being Jewish or being associated with Israel is a sign of being serious uncool. To them it is a sign of being nerdy, of not being part of the revolution. That is why they can associate with the Palestinian cause, despite HAMAS forcing women to wear the veil in public and despite so called &quot;honor Killings&quot; which occur in the Palestinian territores and throughout the Arab world. To the editors and &quot;reporters&quot; at Ms. Magazine, wearing the Khaffiyeh (Arab headdress) or at least draping around your neck is a sign of ultimate cool and hipness. And this is what motivates the women of MS. 
  They dread the thought of being surbanites driving kids to the school play or to Chucky Cheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand the peculiar form of psychosis that is at work with Gloria Steinem and the people who run Ms. Magazine. To them, being Jewish or being associated with Israel is a sign of being serious uncool. To them it is a sign of being nerdy, of not being part of the revolution. That is why they can associate with the Palestinian cause, despite HAMAS forcing women to wear the veil in public and despite so called &#8220;honor Killings&#8221; which occur in the Palestinian territores and throughout the Arab world. To the editors and &#8220;reporters&#8221; at Ms. Magazine, wearing the Khaffiyeh (Arab headdress) or at least draping around your neck is a sign of ultimate cool and hipness. And this is what motivates the women of MS.<br />
  They dread the thought of being surbanites driving kids to the school play or to Chucky Cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnHolliday</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnHolliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TexasTiger - love it! (Life of Brian, I believe.)

As for me, on September 10, 2001 I was about as anti-Israel as you could get. I was against their policies, their torture, and the U.S. sending them so much money. I probably would have defended Ms. magazine and their anti-Israel stance.

On September 12, 2001 I did a complete 180.  Whatever Israel wants to do to the jihadis is fine with me. I support them now because they are fighting the jihadi scum in their own back yard.  Anything the U.S. can do to help, we should do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexasTiger &#8211; love it! (Life of Brian, I believe.)</p>
<p>As for me, on September 10, 2001 I was about as anti-Israel as you could get. I was against their policies, their torture, and the U.S. sending them so much money. I probably would have defended Ms. magazine and their anti-Israel stance.</p>
<p>On September 12, 2001 I did a complete 180.  Whatever Israel wants to do to the jihadis is fine with me. I support them now because they are fighting the jihadi scum in their own back yard.  Anything the U.S. can do to help, we should do.</p>
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		<title>By: garyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would MS and NOW make some comments about the strong girls who keep getting killed by their fathers? NOW and MS seem pretty silent when it comes to that. The innocent girls getting killed are indeed strong women standing up for what is right even though it cost them their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would MS and NOW make some comments about the strong girls who keep getting killed by their fathers? NOW and MS seem pretty silent when it comes to that. The innocent girls getting killed are indeed strong women standing up for what is right even though it cost them their lives.</p>
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