The Democrat food fight in Nevada; Update: Denny K is out; Update Clinton on Obama race flap: “We both have exuberant and uncontrollable supporters;” Update: “What’s a white male to do running against a woman and a black man?”; Update: Heckler complains about “race-based questions;” Update: It’s confession!
Update 11:23am Eastern 1/16. Here’s the full transcript of the soporific debate. I get sleepy just thinking about it.
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Update 11:08pm Eastern. Last update of the night: I mentioned the hard-out-here-for-a-white-man lament involving John Edwards that elicited Hillary’s “Poor John” comment. Here’s the vid courtesy of Hot Air:
I smell a 3-6 Mafia spoof coming on. Anyone?
***
10:58pm Eastern. Dumb closing question: When did the candidates decide to run for president. Who cares?
The next time I have insomnia, I’ll just play a tape of this debate. I’ll be knocked out in 90 seconds.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Update 10:50pm Eastern. Back from a commercial break. Looks like I’m not the only one dozing off. Williams can’t even remember where he is. Candidates laugh. Russert corrects him. Yeah, dude: You’re in Las Vegas.
Hillary gets questioned about her Gordon Brown/terrorist attack remarks. Obama takes umbrage at her use of the anecdote as a challenge to his experience.
Update 10:43pm Eastern. Clinton and Obama back off radical gun control measures–registering and licensing. Obama wants 2nd Amendment respected while cracking down on illegal guns.
Update 10:40pm Eastern. Edwards wants universal pre-K. Eyes. Glazing. Over.
Update 10:35pm Eastern. Hillary’s turn. She gets a question about the black-brown divide–will Hispanics refuse to vote for blacks. Obama: “Not a problem in Illinois. They all voted for me.” (Laughter.)
Obama warbles about “comprehensive immigration reform.” Today, they’ve all replaced “change” with “comprehensive.”
“Comprehensive.”
“Comprehensive.”
“Comprehensive.”
Yadda times three.
No one asks Hillary about her insipid “No woman is illegal” refrain.
Update 10:33pm Eastern. Williams to Edwards: Why not require English as official language? Edwards yammers about the need for a “path to citizenship.”
Edwards: “People who want to become citizens should learn to speak English. That should be a requirement.”
Hey, Sherlock, it’s already a requirement.
Update 10:22pm Eastern. Some local pandering now. Obama will end Yucca Mountain. Hillary’s against it more than anyone else….Hillary drones on about her “comprehensive energy plan…We can do this, America.”
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Update 10:15pm Eastern. Interesting question from Russert. He asks Hillary if she’ll vigorously enforce the Solomon amendment, which requires universities that get federal funds to allow military recruiters on campus. She says she will. Alert Code Pink and the anti-recruiter moonbats.
Obama says he will support the law. I don’t think he really knows what it is.
Edwards says he will support it.
Yet, we’ve heard not a word from these three about the campuses that continue to defy the law and the seditious leftists who’ve declared campus wars on recruiters.
Edwards changes the subject to troops living under bridges.
Update 10:00pm Eastern. Ok. Now the candidates get to question each other. Edwards promises he won’t be “preachier or holier than thou.”
Liar.
He asks Obama why special interests give him money. Obama: “I don’t money from federal lobbyists and PACs.” Edwards: “I don’t either.” People are inspired by my message of change. “I’ve raised more money from small donors than anyone else…I alone of the candidates here have taken away the power of lobbyists…law I passed this year…on bundling disclosure…” Pushes public financing of campaigns.
Clinton asks Obama to “join me in doing something.” We both want to convince Bush to end the war in Iraq, to change direction.
“We have to everything we can to prevent Bush from tying hands of Congress…mentions legislation…co-sponsor to reign in Bush so he doesn’t commit the next president to his policy…”
Obama agrees. “I think we can work together on that.”
Well, that ends that.
Williams: Would Edwards and Hillary join an Obama pledge to withdraw from Iraq? All agree.
Russert points out they wouldn’t agree to a withdrawal guarantee pledge last year. They all start chattering about the date.
Obama spontaneoulsy starts to question Edwards, which apparently prevents him from asking Hillary a planned question. Oops.
Update 9:55pm Eastern. Obama reels off all the breaks he’ll give homeowners. Knocks Hillary’s friendship with Warren Buffett.
Hillary continues her subprime mortgage seminar. She’s going to stabilize the housing market, she’s going to have a $30 billion fund for states to prevent foreclosures and make up for property tax receipt slowdowns, money in the pockets for those who can’t pay their energy bills.
Miss Smarty Pants is going to fix it all. Just like she did with health care!
She mentions “green collar jobs” for the second time.
Update 9:49pm Eastern. Criminey. Edwards wants a $9.50 indexed minimum wage.
Russert asks Clinton if she regrets some vote.
“Sure.”
Will Russert make her say 10 Hail Marys now?
Clinton panders to racial and ethnic minorities. They’re hit hardest by subprime crunch. Blah blah.
Ergo: Keep housing prices high!
Update 9:47pm Eastern. Russert to Edwards: Do you regret your bankruptcy bill vote? “I absolutely do.”
Every other question includes the words “Do you regret?”
I’m telling you: Russert and Williams are acting like Catholic priests in the confession booth.
Update 9:40pm Eastern. Hillary gives a seminar on the subprime crisis. Housing Czarina to the rescue! “The administration is doing very little.”
Bull. They’re following right (left) in your footsteps, Hill.
Update 9:34pm Eastern. Williams brings up the Muslim and pledge of allegiance attacks. Obama: “In the Internet age, there are going to be lies that are spread all over the place…these e-mails were going out in Iowa and New Hampshire and we did just fine.”
Okay.
But no mention of Jeremiah Wright.
Update 9:30pm Eastern. All the candidates get the beauty pageant-style question asking them to identify their greatest strength and greatness weakness. Obama can’t keep track of paper. Silky is emotional. Hillary is impatient.
Zzzzzzzzz. I thought this was going to be interesting. I was wrong.
Update 9:25pm Eastern. Hillary ticks off foreclosure rates, uninsured rates, blah, blah. Calls Bush “pathetic” for begging the Saudis to lower oil prices.
Like she would do any differently.
“The voters will have to imagine us as commander-in-chief.”
Chills.
Update 9:23pm Eastern. There’s a heckler complaining about race-based questions. Well, it’s a race-based debate format. Reap what you sow.
Update 9:22pm Eastern. Williams asks Edwards if he regrets appearing to have double-teamed Hilary with Obama.
Geez again. Is this confession or what?
Update 9:19pm Eastern. Williams asks Obama if he regrets his “You’re likeable, enough, Hillary” remark. Obama says he does.
Geez.
Update 9:18pm Eastern. Question for Edwards: “What’s a white male to do running against a woman and a black man?”
Laughter. Hillary snorts: “Poor John.”
Gag me.
Update 9:15pm Eastern. Several references already to the foreclosure crisis. John Edwards is a non-entity so far. Clinton and Obama have put their knives down. Zzzzz.
Update 9:12pm Eastern. Russert asks Obama if he believes the Bradley effect was at work in New Hampshire. Answer: “No.”
Update 9:10pm Eastern. Russert asks Obama if he feels responsible for “pushing” the race story. Obama blames supporters and staff.
Update 9:04pm Eastern. A whole bunch of minority groups are co-sponsoring the MSNBC debate. A Hispanic group, the 100 Black Men group, etc., etc., etc. NBC news reader Natalie Morales gets to sit in with Brian Williams and Tim Russert. Williams kicks off with Clinton and the MLK mess: How did we get here?
Clinton: “Obama and I agree that neither race nor gender should be a part of this campaign.”
Except when they want to milk their race and gender when it’s electorally convenient.
Clinton: “We both have exuberant and uncontrollable supporters. We’re all family in the Democrat party…”
Clinton: “All of us are here because of what MLK did.”
Obama: “I think Hillary said it well…”
Uh-huh.
Obama: “One of the premises of my campaign…is that we can’t solve these challenges unless we can come together as a people…Our party has stood for that…”
Update 8:57pm Eastern. Here’s more on the court ruling allowing MSNBC to bar Denny K: “An hour before the debate, the state Supreme Court’s unanimous order said that blocking the debate unless Kucinich got to participate would be “an unconstitutional prior restraint” on the news network’s First Amendment rights. The justices also said the lower court exceeded its jurisdiction by ordering Kucinich’s participation even though he first requested and was denied relief from the Federal Communications Commission.”
Update 8:36pm Eastern. Commenter fred5676’s question for Hill…
Question for Hillary: “Do you agree with Nevada DMV policy of not accepting California drivers license without additional proof of ID for new NV applicants, because NV says the CA license is less secure?
Update 8:25pm Eastern: The Las Vegas Sun reports that Denny K is sitting it out.
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The Democrat debate on MSNBC begins at 9pm Eastern.
I’ll keep an eye on both the debate and the primary. There will be plenty of pandering to minority communities. Keep an ear out especially for illegal alien pandering and housing bailout chatter.
Barring an appeal, Denny K will be on stage. Will he behave? Will Hillary and Obama be able to shake each other’s hand? Should be one of the more entertaining Dem forums.
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If by “entertaining” you mean “schadenfreudeliche,” I will agree. There’s nothing better than watching the Dems eat each other alive.
Not sure if that’s a word, but it fits
A question I would like Hillary to be asked: Hillary, your campaign has been bringing up Obama’s drug use the past couple days, so have you ever used illegal drugs?
Vegas is famous for they’re buffet’s this one is called the panderfeast.
Question for Hillary: “Do you agree with Nevada DMV policy of not accepting California drivers license without additional proof of ID for new NV applicants, because NV says the CA license is less secure??
This is an ESSAY question, and you must use FACTS. You must also give an unequivocal YES or NO”
No, she only lit the joint for Bill who didn’t “inhale”
Fred — I didn’t know NV won’t accept CA licenses. Our CA driver’s licenses require a thumb print, require a photo, and a hologram. To get one, you need to also provide proof of residency — meaning, not just living in CA, but a birth certificate, etc. As I recall.
We’re also compliant with the Fed ID act. Or whatever it’s called.
just for the love of pete dont ask her anything that will make her cackle.
Las Vegas Review Journal (largest paper) endorses Obama
Link Obama Endorsment
Review-Journal to recommend Obama
In Wednesday’s Review-Journal, the editorial board recommends Democrats in the Saturday caucuses support the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama. The board notes he is the most viable of the remaining candidates for the party.
On Thursday the newspaper will offer its recommendation for the Republican caucuses.
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas….ask them all if prostitution should be legal?
Someone ask them if Dingy Harry has introduced them to Tommy yet?
AJ one of the pay for play places out there is a Paul supporter and he is offering two for the price of one specials for PaulBots
Da bate Da bate….
lol, two what comment guy?
Let the crap fest begin! Pander, pander pander……
I was surprised myself - my NH license was no problem, though. (no hologram, etc. - just a photo.) The DMV volunteered that info to me 3 years ago when I was applying.
Note that the Patriot Act (if applicable in this case) does not address the matricula consular card. It is silent on the issue, neither allowing nor disallowing. I scolded McCain in a reply letter when he told me that the Act allowed the MC card. The FBI tried in vain to get the MC card not accepted in the Act. Perfidy.
No body panders to the middle-class, and then they expect us to foot the bill to pay off all the others they pander too. Sheesh.
Hillary would have to recuse herself on this one….
AJ
Two working gals for the price of one.
ok, I’ve heard enough…. good grief. night all. I’m going to go Change into my jammies.
Is the debate being held at the Hilton Star Trek Experience?
These questions are DUMB.
Where are the questions on the ISSUES??
Instead we get “Silky how do you like being the white male on this debate team?”
Hillary claims that she didn’t think Johnson was talking about Obama’s drug use.
Right.
Anyway, when are we going to talk about some real issues here? It’s 9:20 already!
I don’t know how you can do it Michelle, watching those morons drool all over themselves (no offence to real morons).
I think he was asking where the questions were dealing with issues.
This feels like “Meet The Press” with an audience. :-\
They must have stock in Chap stick with all the A$$ kissing going on.
Hillary, here’s a hint…Bush is not running.
The Barack star says Bush was always on time, why not point out how often Billy would show up late? Take of the gloves, already.
Hill has to learn that no bid as well as single source contracts are NOT going to go away
LOL! How true!
I really hate the way Obama speaks in fits and starts, too much hesitating.
Obama the victim. What’s that term Larry Elder uses? Victocrat?
1) No questions on immigration
2) No questions on issues in Nevada such as Yucca Mountain
3) No questions about the war
Not watching the debate (no cable here). $1000 says Hillary is wearing a pantsuit - NOT suitable attire on Top Model nor Dancing with the Stars, therefore I bet she opts for Idol.
2nd question for ALL candidates: do you approve of the new anti-illegal immigration laws in AZ, OK, GA, and TN??
They seem to be working.
Follow up: if your answer is NO, how would you address the problem of brothels in this (It Takes a) Village?
Willims question paraphrased: “Obama, there are rumors going out on the internet that you beat your wife, how do you explain to the American people that you don’t beat her that often?”
I got to tell you…I am offended for Obama…the idiot on MSNBC just asked him about these crazy rumors on the internet..are you a Muslim?…did you take the oath of office on the Koran?…do you refuse to say the pledge of allegiance?…WOW…the Hillary people are going after him…a lot of people on the internet have been asking when they would ask him those questions on her behalf….and lo and behold they have.
How unprofessional…not surprising…just unprofessional.
Hill sounds like she is running for Senate again instead of Pres with some of the answers she is giving
Edwards,
Income of middle class is going up dummie, they are moving into above the middle class …only the definition stays the same
There are people who post here that think he’s a Muslim. FreeRepublic.com is days away from having him flying one of the planes into the Twin Towers. It’s ridiculous.
In her case, probably 100 would be required…
Due to the question choices tonight, they are talking congressional action issues , not things that are under the purview of the President job description.
Yes they talk about those things as Pres. but congress forms the laws.
Senators and ex Senator talking in the same mindset and viewpoint of that perspective.
What are they going to do about Bosnia? Darfur? What are they going to do to replace the F15 fighter?
Michelle - I have been back and forth with HotAir, also, and didn’t notice until after 9 PM with BlameAmericaLast’s comment that you had featured my first post about the NV DMV. Have you independent info on this? I was very surprised when I was told this 3 years ago.
With all they say they are going to do about Iraq, a status of forces agreement this summer if signed will tie their hands and they are blowing smoke.
What about troops in Korea, Germany, Japan?
Ron Paul advising these clowns?????
I must say that I enjoy Ms. Malkin’s running commentary to compliment the debate. Even though we don’t see eye-to-eye on issues, I think I appreciate the open ear to hear what everyone is saying.
At any rate, I hope they get to domestic issues and they press the candidates more than they are currently.
Obama just goofed big time. By asking Edwards to clarify what he meant about Iraq, he blew his chance to ask Hillary a question.
Their Hollywood friends are lobbying for the F/A 37 Talon.
Hey Mookie,
I didn’t say I had a problem with the rumors…just that they were lifted off of the internet and presented as a question in a Presidential debate.
I do have a problem with Obama and his refusal to cover his heart during the God Bless America song…I am sure you have seen that picture. I would never vote for the progressive Senator but I am intelligent enough to know that the question lacked class.
I would say from seeing liberal MSM types ask this question that conservatives have obviously been raised better.
Blaming Bush for trying to recover enlistment bonuses from those getting early termination for medical reasons.
Duh….they are required to by law, it’s not their choice.
This sounds to me like a lib talking-points-fest with little substantive discussion about the actual needs of the county in realistic terms.
I’d rather spend a relaxing evening watching Fox gab on endlessly with the primary contestants and certain-to-change-in-a-heartbeat predicitions. Listening to Democrats lie sanctimoniously while making miserably ineffective attempts at being charming always gives me acid indigestion.
I am gonna guess the liberals in colleges and the KOS anti war kids are not going to like those answers to what they would do for allowing military recruiters on colleges……and giving more money and better benefits to the military…which I agree with…but those who call our military “baby killers” will hate it…..I don’t think these anti-military candidates mean it but they did say it.
Obama is going to “end climate change”. What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him?
Apollo Moon Shot?
But I thought he was the candidate of change!
Illegal immigration….whooo….Edwards is giving away amnesty…he is giving away English lessons….well alrighty then..Hillary wants a black and brown debate…screw you white people…alrighty than….Obama gets a great line in on the black brown voter question…..Obama will give away amnesty to..I know you all are shocked…right?
The best question all nite has been on the Solomon amendment. I agree the nutroots are going to go crazy. The “stupid” Universities oppose ROTC and military recruitment as a means of voicing their dislike of “dont ask, don’t tell”. I was waiting for one of the 3 candidates to mention that but none of them caught it.
No nuclear power
No coal plants
Food turned into fuel
Tax anyone who has money
Develop alternative power which might in 25 years provide 3% of our power needs and by then nuclear can provably supply 38%
Well this is an odd Picnochio evolution. Obama lies and his ears grow bigger.
Hey Obama
Head Start has been around how long? Kids unprepared. Good it failed as a program close it down since it isn’t doing the job.
Here we go on guns….lets see….Hillary….against “illegal” guns but not “illegal” humans…nice…we can use that in the general…heh.
Hillary
Dems for 40 years have sponsored legislation and passed it that gave money to encourage broken homes in minorities but nothing to encourage family unity.
Let me get this straight, Hillary is against illegal guns but she’s pro Illegals with illegal guns???????
Illegal guns? Get them out of the hands of young people?
When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
Oops sorry Jaded, didn’t see your post but I thought the same thing
I’m surprised that none of the candidates talked about the high number of African American males who do not make it to college and those who do not succeed in college. Higher education is important too.
Seems like all the candidates have admitted to backing off from prior votes on major legislation.
Presidents don’t get do overs.
Edwards proved the point….guns all over the south in quantity, but only inner city blacks for the most part and latino gangs are doing all these drive by killings.
Hey John that’s ok…we think alike and if we think that a whole slew of others are thinking it to….I see a commercial;-)
Oh, that was by far my absolute favorite MM quote! How true Michelle, how very true!
All of them are screaming save energy…..ah have you looked outside after dark in Vegas?
Holy s#!t. That changes everything!
I survived the Bush bashing fest. I was begging and pleading that Obamination closed the last question with “since birth.” Hillary actually said last year? or the Year before? HMMM, Peter Paul’s case comes to mind. What year was that fund raising stint?
NV Supreme Ct..ruled against the Space Cadet
stint=stunt
Hillary says she is going to end the Iraq war,, ok but what if the other side doesn’t want to quit fighting? I wish someone would ask HC and the rest of them on that. Do they have a plan at all to fight the Muslims or are they going to just make live under Muslim law?
This was a snoozer. So incredibly boring. I can’t believe the majority of people in this country will want any of these clowns in the White House. It would be so painful to watch!
Sounds like I missed a barn burner.
There are times during a debate when you’d like the candidates hooked up to the lie detector. Hillary would have had to say “when I married Bill”, or “during the 8 years I was First Lady, why do you think we took the white house china with us? I knew I could bring it back.”
Edwards is toast.
Make that french toast, with blueberries, and that gay little splash of parsley on the side.
That question brings back to the statement I made a few days ago. No matter what, we on the Right are screwed either way. No matter who we vote for, it will be wrong. If we do not vote for Hill-Dawg, we have Mommy issues, we hate women, we are Chauvanist Pigs and are sexist. If we don’t vote for Obama, we are racist, we hate Blacks, we don’t think Blacks can do the jobs whites can do, it is just another example of Whitey tryin to keep the brotha man down…
Bottom line is, it will have nothing at all to do with whether or not people think these people would make horrible Presidents, that they don’t agree with their politics, or any other factors…it only will come down to the color of their skin and their sex.
Yeah…Liberals striving for a colorless and sexless society indeed. While Conservatives always try for legislation that removes that checklist asking your sex and race, where you would get hired based on experience and abilities alone, equalzing the playing field completely, these Liberals keep making it about sex and race.
Who are the REAL bigots and racist I ask you? Not us.
Correctamundo, Retfireman.
I keep waiting for the question to be put to the Dems at a debate: do they still support former KKK officer Robert Byrd democrat in the senate, but as a chair of (various)certain aspects of it as has been the case during his many years there? And if so, given his record as a KKK officer, why?
Want to watch each and every one of the Dems squirm for their lives on live TV? Hit ‘em with that one.
Obambam and the Rest are running a fascist agenda. I am not tossing that word around like the beret wearing citizens of Berkeley California tend to toss it when they hear somebody disagreeing with their “Big Green” government ideas.
Think about it. Their love of dictatorial power grabbers around the world and their own megalomania about Global Warming fantasias. Health Care monstrosities. Open borders for “world labor”.
All on the back of the production power of private means of wealth creation.
The purveyors of the smiley face solutions.
We can win. We just need to plug our ears.
You’re right, MM. Better than a sleeping pill…..
I turned it off when I heard “I’m going to end climate change” laughing so hard I think I pulled something.
Maybe he thinks he can part the Red Sea also.
OMG, Now I hurt myself.
I guess it’s more important to give huckster more time to talk about huckaburgers than it is when fred talks issues on fox and friends this morning. huckty de dumpty got one thing right they are wusses.
ok, they just apologized….
Forget the apologies….
Here’s my 2 cents worth today.
The IBD had a very good editorial this morning…
Check out the intro and I wonder why the main UCC denomination hasn’t spoken up about this since I haven’t seen it in any of the Christian magaizines I read.
GSP (link to obama’s church)
Thanks again Michelle for covering this snooze fest. I tried to watch it myself, but the wife and I couldn’t take it and it didn’t even last 5 minutes in our house. From your report it appears the Democrats couldn’t lead a group of men to a whorehouse with $50,000 in their pockets much less lead the country anywhere but into disaster.
Does anyone know how Obama or HLC will end the war and the Islmo-fascists will lay down in peace just by withdrawing American Troops?
Obama can end all this by saying that he is not black.
Hillary may have been successful in New Hampshire at wrangling wrinkled, wrothful white womens’ wrath (say that three times fast) into a one time, one shot coalition of support, but I doubt she’ll be as lucky in the up coming primaries.
I think Obama learned from his experience N.H. never to rest on past successes and coast along again - that the Clinton machine is too ruthless and relentless to allow anyone in their way a moment of reflection!
Imus interviewed Russert about the debate this morning. You can hear it here.
http://imus.969fmtalk.mobi/2008/01/16/imus-in-the-morning-guest-tim-russert—11608.aspx
OR we could do away with all these race based politcal and lobbying groups. Wonder if all the “non-racist” “people of color” would agree to that?