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1. #1
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, graysonret said:

   I wonder if they had planned to give occasional heat/ac “rebates” every election year? Say, for one day, you could set it the way you wanted? I heard they wanted the restrictions for “emergency” only. To them, once it had passed, every day would have been an “emergency”.

2. #2
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, uhangtight said:

   what amazes me is that those proposing this cannot see how close to communism this is? or maybe that is the point, they do see it and are striving diligently to destroy individual freedoms.

3. #3
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:18 pm, ajmontana said:

   lol, good one. especially when it’s 115 degrees here in the summer and there are elderly people in the house.

4. #4
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, normsrevenge said:

   California the NannY State

   should have put a nanny on the state quarter

   how long before they make ya lick a carbon credit stamp

5. #5
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, ajmontana said:

   is that the right video michelle?

6. #6
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, J S Ragman said:

   After a public outcry, commission officials last week said the regulation would be revised so that the devices would still be required, but configured so that customers could override outside control by utilities.

   So let me get this straight, they were still going to require the devices that could be overridden by the customer? That sounds just dumb enough to be a Democrat solution. I think somebody’s brother-in-law works for the remote thermostat company.

7. #7
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

   state Assembly Committee on Utilities and Commerce, Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys.

   “While more needs to be done to keep up with the needs of our ever-increasing population, it’s not the job of the (state) to go into peoples’ homes and control their thermostats,” he said.

   UMMMMMMM - build some stinking power plants already! Sheesh. Must I get my wife to do that too?

8. #8
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

   It is the right screen shot AJ.

   ENOUGH!

9. #9
   On January 18th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, ajmontana said:

   just get Obama to fix it he said in the last debate he was going to stop climate change…..

10. #10
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, steveegg said:

    Houston, we have a problem. Somehow a YouTube video got stuck inside an <a href> tag.

    Other than that, it is good news.

11. #11
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, TXRose said:

    Once the government gets their teeth into something they rarely if ever, let go of it.
    First they dictate the settings on the thermostats and then they will decide that you will
    use only government approved thermostats. And so on and so forth………………………..

12. #12
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, blues said:

    Assuming that this was supposed to be an energy-saving proposal,I have a novel idea for California-build some power plants,a$$holes.

13. #13
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, blues said:

    Sorry,soap,I should have read all comments first.

14. #14
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, ajmontana said:
    just get Obama to fix it he said in the last debate he was going to stop climate change…..

    ROFL Did he really? I cannot stomach another debate so I missed it. His head is big enough to block out the sun so, I think he could actually get the job done.

15. #15
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, hatelibs said:

    Instead just roll out Jimma Carter in a sweater to inspire conservation.

    Round up the illegals and ship them back to Mexico or wherever and the budget crisis goes away. How’s that for a solution?

16. #16
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Thermostat? What’s that? Is that like choosing between some of the windows open, or all the windows open?

    Ok, ok, sorry - it’s 77 today, and as I recall, Jimmy Carter wants me to work in my underwear when it’s over 72, and a sweater when it’s below 68.

    In California that would be remote-controlled underwear, and if that doesn’t exist in SF already, I’d be surprised.

17. #17
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, wherestherum said:

    God, I hate living in California. We’ve got a totalitarian government in Sacramento. All districts are gerrymandered beyond belief so there’s no ousting these idiots. I don’t understand why the Dems here just don’t come out and say “We’re communists and we’re going to make California a communist state.” Jeez.

18. #18
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    I live in this God-forsaken socialist quagmire called California. What they would have done is to first make the law for “emergencies” only. Then, it would have been amended to include “Spare the Air” days. Those happen about 1-3 times a week between June and October, depending on where you live. We had a warm spell in early December and had a few “Spare the Air” days then, too.

    Questions - what if it’s a hot day and you leave your pets inside with the A/C set to keep the temperature reasonable? If the utility gets to turn off your A/C, isn’t that animal cruelty? And how would you determine who gets exemptions?

    I have an idea. Build about 5 nuclear power plants and if someone wants to pay for all the electricity they use, LET THEM!!

    The scientifically-illiterate left strikes again!

19. #19
    On January 18th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, DougT said:

    This is indicative of a massive problem at all levels of government and both parties: busybody do-gooder regulation.

    We need legislatures to SUCK.IT.UP. and take back complete law making control. Giving it up to commissions and boards and agencies and bureaus and offices and administrations and services leads to this kind of specific nonsense.

    Most members of these entities aren’t even elected, just like the California Energy Commission. When they were appointed, many of them heard clearly heard annointed.

    Collectively, they become the logical extreme for their particular calling: the imperious mother (of energy, education, agriculture, etc.) And we are seen by them as their helpless and hopelessly stupid children.

    We need to shut down these unelected legislative bodies.

    And to the real legislatures, if you can’t understand energy (education, agricultural, etc.) policy, then stop passing laws regarding it.

    This is where the real tyranny is in the USA today.

20. #20
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, John Ansell said:

    Does this mean I can’t heat my pool? I’m cranking up the heat on it so hot that I can boil eggs.

21. #21
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Thank goodness.

    This was ridiculous.

    Last Sunday on “Extreme Makeover: Home Edition”, the daughter of the family had a rare neurological disorder that made her incapable of feeling pain or controlling her body’s temperature. She couldn’t go out of the house without wearing an ice-pack vest, the temperature in the home had to remain a constant 62ºF and she constantly had to monitor her temperature to make sure she wasn’t overheating (or, if doing something like swimming, getting too cold).

    While her condition is extreme and rare, I wonder how many other people - the elderly, those with young babies, those with health issues (the woman living above us needs to sleep with a fan on because of cancer) would be affected by this Nanny State B.S.

    As JohnHolliday said above - the answer is to build more power plants. Preferably nuclear. But the NIMBYs and BANANAs make that impossible.

    Funny how Europe is a role model when it comes to “multiculturalism” and politics, but *not* on nuclear energy.

    And remember, folks, all forms of alternative energy - wind, water, solar - are opposed by enviro-nuts because it *might* harm nature.

    So the logical conclusion I come to is they don’t want “alternative” energy sources - they don’t want energy at all. Or these restrictive, privacy-invading programs that give *them* control over your house and home.

    Not on my watch.

22. #22
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, sdillard said:

    You’re right - they don’t want energy at all. That’s the goal, and we are going to be led back to a pre-industrial age if the Green Left has its way.

    Nuclear is bad. Windfarms kill birds. Dams restrict fish runs. Solar farms coverup “habitat”. The list is endless. The only solution we hear is “do without” and “the age of suburbs is over”. Here in CA, we are constantly harranged for having the gall to live in single family houses when EVERYONE knows we should be living in cracker-box apartments next to train stations.

    I refuse. 90% of the people in this state refuse.

    Sadly, the “government” here doesn’t care what we think. We are gerrymandered into little political boxes where no dissent is allowed. Where I live, elections often happen with only one person on the ballot - a Democrat. Republicans won’t even bother running.

    I have left wing Democrats “representing” me at the county level, the state legislature level, and the congressional level.

    I am getting out of Dodge as fast as I can. Couple of years til I retire and I am gone.

23. #23
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, Azygos said:

    AJ,

    Which state do you live in? 115 is a normal summer day here in Arizona.

    And how long before they have remote controlled toilets. Only two flushes a day allowed doncha know, in 3… 2… 1…

24. #24
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, SHoward said:

    englishqueen, you got it! Your last paragraph said they don’t want us to have energy at all. BINGO!

    And those alternative forms, they aren’t very cost effective at all, so we would need windmills next to every house while the roof was covered in solar panels and the kids riding stationary bikes connected to generators and hamsters running the fans to circulate air in the house.

25. #25
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, Ditkaca said:

    Trying to justify their already overpaid positions, the CA legislature strikes again!

    We should allow all of them to just retire already (I know, they’ve voted themselves early and fat retirement and bennies for the rest of their lives).

    But don’t replace them once retired!

    At least they can’t nanny me to death anymore!

26. #26
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, shimauma2 said:

    Aw Crap, usually once the left coast tries to accomplish some nanny device, it’s just a matter of time before the liberal mecca of Minnesota tries it. demoncrap bastards will freeze dry us all….

27. #27
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Today the thermostat….

    Tomorrow the 7 x 24 Government Rectal Thermometer, so they can determine the optimal time at which to administer the next tax injection.

28. #28
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Hey Michelle where were you when they tried to pull this in KC. It is a voluntery program here and Honywell makes the thermostat. Hopefully I did this link right but this is the KCPL program.

    href=”https://buildingsolutions.honeywell.com/Cultures/en-US/NewsEvents/NewsReleases/KCPL08.htm”

29. #29
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    https://buildingsolutions.honeywell.com/Cultures/en-US/NewsEvents/NewsReleases/KCPL08.htm

30. #30
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, graysonret said:

    California has an unique style of government. All bills and proposals must be approved by all the environmentalists, before it is allowed to be put in effect. Hence, no new power or nuclear power plants. Such things could upset some sand fleas there.

31. #31
    On January 18th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Pardon the crapy spelling, I haven’t opted into this program because I personally do not need KCPL having control over my utilities.

32. #32
    On January 18th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, TXRose said:

    All of the environmentalists want a world without people in it. Only animals deserve to live on the earth. Humans are a virus that the earth is trying desperately
    to throw off. Yaddayaddayaddayadda. I am so tired of the c**p they spew. If the
    environmentalists and all the rest of the left wing wackos would just keep their
    mouths shut, perhaps Al Gore could shut up about global warming because all of
    their hot air would be contained and not overheating our atmosphere!
    rant off

33. #33
    On January 18th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, graysonret said:

    maybe the environmentalists should take the lesson out of their playbook and get rid of themselves first. They could be proud of all the carbon credits earned. Donate themselves to the animals they’re trying to save.

34. #34
    On January 18th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    Thomas Lifson warns that the battle isn’t over:

    That’s the biggest problem: the battle is never over. Whether it’s global warming, illegal immigration, gay marriage, whatever, these people never give up. They always regroup, and we have to fight the same battles over and over again, just in a different venue. Even when state constitutional amendments are passed, which one would think should be the final word, the battles go on.

    They know what’s best for us, dammit, and they’re gonna make us submit one way or another.

35. #35
    On January 18th, 2008 at 5:48 pm, formerwm said:

    Back in the 70’s, when Carter was president, and I lived in a barracks, the thermostats had blocks in them to keep the temperture at 68 degrees. You could get in big trouble if you messed with those little blocks. Even in Yuma in the winter it was pretty chilly in those cinder block barracks. Okay, I know the military in not a democracy but do we want that kind of control for all of us? I don’t! I grew up in Calif and it has never changed and it never will but glad to see this idea has been nixed for now, at least.

36. #36
    On January 18th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, Sisyphus said:

    They can enact this fascist claptrap all they want, but when the summer comes they can have my thermostat when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

37. #37
    On January 18th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, ajmontana said:

    Azygos said:
    AJ,

    Which state do you live in? 115 is a normal summer day here in Arizona.

    Were Neighbors, Palm Desert,Ca.

38. #38
    On January 18th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, winemkr said:

    This is why I own a weapon, and others own guns.

39. #39
    On January 18th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    “While more needs to be done to keep up with the needs of our ever-increasing population, it’s not the job of the (state) to go into peoples’ homes and control their thermostats,” he said.

    Yeah, it’s called unreasonable search and seizure. 4th amendment. And believe me, I would’ve found SOMEONE to take this to court.

    A review of the 4th:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Tha gall of CA thinking they can come into my house and “take” my energy away from me. I’m paying for it.

    This just makes my blood boil. Bad enough I have to give 10% of my income to this state.

    Yeah, and they talk about a growing state. Well, it wouldn’t be growing so much if we didn’t have millions of illegals here in the first place.

40. #40
    On January 18th, 2008 at 7:36 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    New building-efficiency standards drawn up by the commission would have required new buildings to include remote-controlled thermostats that could allow utilities to control a building’s air-conditioning or heating during power emergencies

    i.e global warming???

41. #41
    On January 18th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, gandolphxx said:

    Rats, i have been busy designing the circuitry and programming for a device to override this ‘big brother’ approach - I was going to call it lil bitch.

42. #42
    On January 18th, 2008 at 9:34 pm, Sisyphus said:

    On January 18th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    They don’t need to come into your home to take away your energy. They already do it regularly from the outside with rolling blackouts and brownouts. This current system of managing demand by cutting us off will have to continue for the forseeable future.

    I find the whole state monitored and forced compliance idea anathema to American values.

    Conservation is important. Its cost benefits are the cheapest to realize and apply to both the consumer and the providers. But if they see remote controlled thermostats as a viable means to this goal they should use the market to implement them. Offer discounts to businesses that would be willing to install them. The market will work out what is tolerable and most efficient to consumers.

    Of course it needs to be coupled with generation capacity increases. CA suffers now because capacity increases wre not invested in for almost 2 decades. This happened for a number of reasons. The energy companies were in financial doldrums for most of the 1990s and since 2002. They chose not to make the capital investments for financial self interest.

    But more then any of the reasons mentioned in the thread, enviormental restrictions, failure of the nuclear industry, etc., the controlling reason was the utter failure of the CA Governemts’s plan to deregulate the energy markets. To avoid throwing the market into chaos with a sudden rollout they hemmed and hawed and finally improperly implemented a schedule of half step measures.

    This resulted in a decade plus of uncertainity in what to expect in energy pricing. The energy generating companies could not make sound financial plans and shelved all new powerplant building.

    This is the primary reason why CA is in the energy crisis it is in. And why it pays such high prices. This poorly implemented CA Gov. deregulation plan also failed to anticipate the loopholes Enron found to exploit when they set up their speculative energy trading. Some odf Enron’s market manipulations were illegal but others were not. As such CA consumers are locked into deacades long contracts their power distribution companies were forced to buy at the height of the price bubble.

43. #43
    On January 18th, 2008 at 10:11 pm, SHoward said:

    As if the folly of this state needs to be exposed further….

    The first time I ever flew into LAX, my boss noticed the tall, fancy light-towers at the front entrance on Century Blvd.

    He noticed this because it was the height of the Gray-out Davis brown-out period.

    And they had these fancy light towers going full blast.

    Now I live here. I think I’m the idiot.

44. #44
    On January 19th, 2008 at 12:47 am, greenLibertarian said:

    I agree that controlling home and business thermostats should be a last resort. However, it should be considered if the only alternative is brown- or black-outs i n hospitals, etc. With the overrides, people would only feel discomfort if they were not home.

45. #45
    On January 19th, 2008 at 1:18 am, Tipper said:

    But at least for now, the energy mandarins say they respect the importance of Californians making their own decisions.

    At least for now - BUT not for the NEW HOMES - hehehe

    Sorry folks, tried to read through but couldn’t help to jump to comment.

    In a word - my state is screwed. (and so goes the country since CA econ is so pervasive! so wake up!)

    Arnold tried to fight the good fight but there is NO fight in CA government. All houses of representation are held by Dems.

    Not even really dems….just reflective politicians that like the money generated from fired up activists.

    There is one prominent dem that started a “stop the war” campaign solely to raise money for his other pet causes and future campaign runs.

    If anyone needs to understand the quagmire that is California — make no mistake will be every state — as much as it sounds arrogant, it’s not. It’s a realism that screwed up CA governing is on it’s way….

    Read This

    I will reprint the last paragragh for you all to behold (I am deadly serious)

    At some point we Californians should ask ourselves how we inherited a state with near perfect weather, the world’s richest agriculture, plentiful timber, minerals, and oil, two great ports at Los Angeles and Oakland, a natural tourist industry from Carmel to Yosemite, industries such as Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and aerospace — and serially managed to turn all of that into the nation’s largest penal system, periodic near bankruptcy, and sky-high taxes.

46. #46
    On January 19th, 2008 at 6:12 am, secondsight said:

    Is anyone else struck by the irony of people pretending to be green in areas that need air conditioning to survive?

47. #47
    On January 19th, 2008 at 7:18 am, Kevin K. said:

    Sisyphus (#41) is quite right on all accounts. Espcially when he writes:
    

    I find the whole state monitored and forced compliance idea anathema to American values.

    For my part, if they ever implement such a mandatory government scheme where I live, I’ll go to the Franklin stove for heat and go “off the grid” for required electricity.

    Our Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves.

48. #48
    On January 19th, 2008 at 10:35 am, Branden-in-escalon said:

    Hey, I got an idea. Why don’t they just make us have coin operated thermostats in our homes, that way they can make extra money every time we need to use our heater or aid conditioner. Sheesh… It amazes me that they harp on us not to use our evil, enviro hating fireplaces, but now are worried that we are using the thermostat to much? I don’t know, sometimes I get tired of living in “Commufornia”.