Nevada and South Carolina go to the polls; AP/Fox: Romney nabs gold in Nev.; Update: Voting problems in SC; Update: Hispanics in Nevada boost Hill to victory; Update: Obama wins Nev. delegate vote?; Update: Obama ahead in SC; GOP race still “too close to call”; 9:19pm Eastern. AP/Fox call SC for McCain; Mel “Tower of Jell-O” Martinez won’t campaign for his shamnesty pal; Update McCain/Grahamnesty exult
Update 10:03pm Eastern. McCain’s on stage. He’s all smiles. “It took us a while, but what’s eight years among friends…South Carolinians are never fair-weather friends…”
As for McCain, well.
Ugh. He thanks Lindsay Grahamnesty behind him. Cheers go up.
Ugh.
“Before I can win your vote, I must earn your respect. And the only way I can do that is to be honest with you.”
McCain points out that the history of SC’s GOP primary paving the path to the presidency.
Touts his record as a foot soldier in the Reagan revolution. Stump speech is meant to appeal to conservatives.
Did it work for you?
Eh.
Update 9:37pm Eastern. Liveblogging Huck’s concession here.
Update 9:29pm Eastern. Several outlets had reported all day that Shamnesty-pushing Sen. Mel Martinez would be campaigning with McCain on Monday. He’s decided against it…because he takes pity on Sanctuary-supporting Rudy Giuliani. Ugh all around:
Under pressure from fundraisers and friends, Sen. Mel Martinez has decided not to endorse presidential candidate John McCain, who was planning to campaign Monday in Miami with the popular Florida Republican to help win crucial votes in South Florida’s Hispanic community.
A big factor in Martinez’s decision: He feels badly for McCain’s opponent, Rudy Giuliani. After all, the former New York mayor was a Martinez supporter, and thought he had a shot at Martinez’s support.
Now, no one will get Martinez’s backing as the candidates, in a four-way tie for first place in Florida, sprint to the Jan. 29 election and scrounge for every vote in the biggest primary state yet.
McCain supporters had been told by the campaign Thursday and Friday that Martinez was coming to campaign with the Arizona senator. But, they said, Giuliani fundraisers and supporters — who played a key role in Martinez’s narrow 2004 Senate win — swayed Martinez to stay out. A Martinez spokesman couldn’t be reached for comment Saturday.
Some viewed Martinez’s decision to sit out as a betrayal of McCain, who helped Martinez push a radioactive White House-backed immigration bill. The measure was roundly condemned by conservatives as ”amnesty” for illegal immigrants and cost McCain serious political points that helped almost kill his campaign.
”Mel’s a tower of Jell-O,” said Republican operative Roger Stone, a McCain backer.
Can’t argue with that.
Update 9:18pm Eastern. AP and Fox call the race for McCain.
FNC’s Megyn Kelly had just finished pointing out exit poll data showing that the Fred Factor may have swung the race.
Update 9:05pm Eastern. The networks are waiting for Horry County results. Carl Cameron says results from evangelical-dominated Greenville and upcountry look good for McCain. If Huckabee can’t hold on to his base, what does he have left?
Update 8:40pm Eastern. John Edwards is speaking [update: Fox is playing video of an event earlier today]. It’s safe to say he’s not going anywhere…
Update 8:21pm Eastern. The moonbats at MSNBC uncover the Sloppy Mitt Conspiracy.
On the Dem side, the polls reportedly show Obama leading in South Carolina [heading into next week's primary].
22 percent of precincts reporting. On the GOP side now, McCain 36 percent, Huckabee 28 percent. The phrase of the night: “Too close to call.”
Update 8:10pm Eastern. I liveblogged Fred here.
Update 7:19pm Eastern. No wonder Hill was irked. Via Dan Riehl, the Nation reports that while she won the popular vote, Obama may have won the Nevada delegates: “Barack Obama may have won the most delegates in Saturday’s Nevada Caucus, even though Hillary Clinton bested his statewide turnout by about six points. A source with knowledge of the Nevada Democratic Party’s projections told The Nation that under the arcane weighting system, Obama would win 13 national convention delegates and Clinton would win 12 delegates. The state party has not released an official count yet.”
More Obama campaign spin here.
Update: 7:08pm Eastern. Hillary speaks. Looks like she took a valium. She’s….speaking…very…slowly. She’s slightly irked by a reporter who points out she might not have won the delegate vote. “I…find…it…strange…we ran a great campaign.” Romney’s in Florida, meanwhile, touting his 53 percent total in Nevada. He’s very peppy.
Update 7:02pm Eastern. The polls in SC are closed. It’s too early and too close to call.
The Spartanburg Herald-Journal reports on soggy voters and dsyfunctional machines.
Update 6:45pm Eastern. SC bloggers at The Palmetto Scoop weigh in on the voting machine problems.
The Greenville newspaper reports no problems.
Update 5:39pm Eastern. SC exit poll results are coming in. Who turned out?:
Preliminary exit poll results indicate that nearly seven in 10 Republican voters in the state are identifying themselves as conservatives, which is more than in the 2000 primary there, as well as more than in either Michigan or New Hampshire this year. And nearly six in 10 in South Carolina are evangelical Christians. Independents in these preliminary results account for just about two in 10 voters, down from nearly three in 10 in any of the last three South Carolina GOP primaries.
And it’s not looking good for Fred. At all.
Update 5:10pm Eastern. Hill takes Nevada. Looks like that “No woman is illegal” propaganda paid off for Hill…”With 78% reporting and a six-point lead, Fox calls it for Hillary…A forty-point margin for the Glacier among Latinos. Amazing.”
Update 4:23pm Eastern. Oh, boy. South Carolina’s The State newspaper reports on a “technology burp” with Horry County voting machines…
As many as 90 percent of the electronic voting machines in Horry County did not work correctly when polls opened in Saturday morning’s Republican primary, but most were up and running by noon, county spokeswoman Lisa Bourcier said.
At 2:30 p.m. Saturday, the full impact of bad weather in the Upstate and voting machine problems in Horry County on GOP voter turnout remained to be seen.
State Election Commission spokesman Garry Baum said all precincts are supposed to have emergency paper ballots in case of machine failure. Thus, he said, no one should have been turned away because of voting machine problems.
“Emergency paper ballots are part of the election,” Baum said.
However, Baum could not say definitely whether anyone had not voted because of the voting machine problems.
State Rep. Tracy Edge, R-Myrtle Beach, called for Sandy Martin’s firing Saturday afternoon.
“I guess I’m just stunned because the crew in that office only has to do the job twice a year and they can’t get it done,” he said.
Horry County has had voting problems in every election, Edge said. “I want her fired, I’m tired of it,” he said.
Update 4:08pm Eastern. From the Nevada Democrat Party website:
Senator Hillary Clinton: 50.32%
Senator Barack Obama: 45.04%
Senator John Edwards: 4.38%
Uncommitted: 0.21%
Congressman Dennis Kucinich: 0.05%
Senator Mike Gravel: 0%
Update 1:40pm Eastern. So, Romney’s the Nevada victor. How did the rest of the GOP candidates do? Reader Paul e-mails: “I thought you might like to know that I just voted in the Nevada caucus in precinct #1324 and the vote was 27 votes for Romney, followed by Ron Paul with 6, John McCain with either 4 or 5, Fred Thompson with 4 and Mike Huckabee with 3.”
The Las Vegas Review-Journal has up-to-the-minute results. At this moment, Romney has 206; Paul-72, McCain-70, Thompson - 60, Huck -40, Rudy - 12, Hunter - 9.
***
The results of the Nevada GOP caucuses have already been called by the AP and other MSM outlets. Romney takes another gold:
Republican Mitt Romney won Nevada’s caucuses Saturday while John McCain and Mike Huckabee dueled in the South Carolina primary, a campaign doubleheader likely to winnow the crowded field of presidential rivals.
Democrats shared the stage in Nevada, where Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama vied for a caucus victory and the campaign momentum that goes with it.
Romney’s western victory marked two straight successes, coming after a win in the Michigan primary earlier in the week that revived his campaign.
Alone among the Republican contenders, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas aired television ads in Nevada, and the libertarian-leaning Texan looked for his best showing of the campaign season.
Nevada offered more delegates but far less appeal to the Republican candidates than South Carolina, a primary that has gone to the party’s eventual nominee every four years since 1980.
That made it a magnet for former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, who staked his candidacy on a strong showing, as well as for Romney, McCain, the Arizona senator; and Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas.
Allah asks a good question: “What does this do to South Carolina now, where the polls are still open? Do undecideds break for Romney?”
The latest Zogby numbers (grain of salt, of course) show Huckabee and McCain in a dead heat in SC.
See what others have said
Note from Michelle: This section is for comments from michellemalkin.com's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that I agree with or endorse any particular comment just because I let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with my terms of use may lose his or her posting privilege.
Trackbacks
- Webloggin - Blog Archive » Romney Proves Once Again That His Wins are no Fluke, Dems Race a Mass of Confusion
- Giopolitics
- Hennessy's View
- The Christ Follower Blog
- Ugh! » Freedom Folks
- finish toilet
- burp
Expect the msm to downplay a Mitt win. Nothin to see here…move along now. Just watch.
Go Mitt! If Fred takes 4th in SC (one reason I think Romney kept up his comercials and activity there) he will likely drop out. No conservative Fredhead would ever go for Huckabee or McCain. That means they go to Mitt. It’s time for all conservatives to get behind Romney and put a stop to Huckabee and McAmnesty.
Didn’t Mitt win in Wyoming, too?
Undecideds in SC are breaking for either of the two front-runners. Those good people don’t vote for those that don’t visit. Huckabee is taking that one, but not the nomination, ending SC’s streak at seven straight.
Interesting that Fox News and AP are back to calling races based on exit polling. Remember if you go to a primary and get exit polled to please lie about your vote in the exit poll. The height of irresponsibility for the press is their desire to call elections based on exit polling. The best way to get them to stop is to knee cap them by lying in the exit poll.
Go Mitt!!! Oh, and anybody but McCain.
I’m either being paranoid or I’m imagining things. McCain is all-the-rage for everyone in the media. Even FOX!
Nope, Fox is pushing McCain and down playing Romney big time.
Is Navada a winner take all ? How many Republican delegates total?
Romney seems to have a big problem with the press. They say his staff is hard to deal with. That’s really too bad because I still think he’s the best balance of conservative policies and executive competence.
Anyone with eyes can see this same bias. I’m surprised they haven’t been more forcefully called out on it yet (hint hint MM). I wouldn’t be surprised if Carl Cameron were actually on the McCain payroll with how he is shilling for him and against Romney and Thompson. Jonathan Martin over at Politico is just as bad as Carl.
Nevada has 34 delegates (SC only 24).
Ok, I answered my own question. Nevada has 31 delegates. The delegates are not required to vote for the winner, but defections are rare. SC has 24 delegates.
ugh how can any true conservative support Romney? He’s like a less ugly John Kerry.
All media all McCain that’s for sure… Nothing for Mitt. Go get-em Michelle!
My memories of the 2000 election must be getting kind of fuzzy, but aren’t news outlets supposed to wait on calling victors until the polls close? I thought that was a big no-no in Florida.
Drudge is showing BHO way ahead of Billary. It must like a funeral parlor at the Clinton headquarters. Bill must be turning purple again.
Of course! Why would they want to ruin any chances for McCan’t in SC?
I gotta say, I really don’t think this affects the SC primary much at all. Everyone knew Romney was going to take Nuh-va-duh. After all, he is about the only Republican who campaigned there.
Yeah, and why was New Hampshire a must win for neighboring state Massachusetts Governor Romney, but not one word is mentioned about Nevada being a must for neighboring state Arizona Senator McCain?
And speaking of economic stimulus packages (non-sequitur, I know), isn’t it scary when Nancy Peolosi’s (not to mention that great intellect Hillary) eyes light up at the thought of spending more of our money!
FoxNews and too many “conservative” commentators (I think Debora Saunders is the latest), think McCain is Mr. Electable. And that’s all that matters, isn’t it? No, it’s not. As George Will stated today — the man apparently just woke up from his post-baseball season hibernation — McCain is a democrat. Seriously, and a rude and nasty one to boot.
Four years ago I might have bought that electability is everything given the alternatives, but not any more. The Republican Party under Bush has moved so far to the Left, that a McCain candidacy, let alone victory, would push it over the edge. The Republicans are now what Mark Steyn calls a “Half Party,” and that is not acceptable. The line has to be drawn.
I am wondering, inspired by the positive effect (if unfortunately for only a few years) the Perot candidacy had on the Republican Party: if it might be advisable to vote for Ron Paul. Admittedly, one would really have to hold one’s nose with a pair of pliers to do so, but it may be the only way to register a protest that might be heard. A 20% vote for Ron Paul in the general election (I’m assuming that he would go the third party route) might well send a useful message to the Republican Establishment. A vote for McCain would not.
No, you’ve got it wrong; the MSM wants McCain because they know he is unelectable.
What in the world are you talking about? Real conservatives know Mitt is one too. That’s why he wins the conservative vote in every state. Go Mitt!
mitt was in SC yesterday, remember the argument with the AP journalist happened yesterday and happened in SC. yes, mitt has been campaigning in Nevada, cause he has a 50 state strategy, unlike the MSM who has a 3 or 4 state strategy. IA, NH, MI and SC.
All of these states are independent and democrats capable of voting for the republican candidate. Nevada is a Republican only and you had to register prior to the vote. very likely you are seeing what the Republican party is saying in Nevada, not so much So. Carolina.
This is not a popularity contest as the MSM would love it to be, this is a delegate count race. So far, Mitt is the frontrunner in Delegates. It is time for the rest of the field be weaned out for sure. Let’s hope that next week we will so a few less candidates that also ran…
Bingo! One anger induced tirade before the media and he will be done. McAmnesty should not be our nominee!
Palani #19
Good call on the must win state angle. I haven’t heard one word about McCain having to win in Nevada. The MSM has been silent on that. No suprise though.
Here’s how it’s to be spun. Pay attention! You are going to hear, “No Republican Presidential Candidate who didn’t win the SC primary has gone on to win the candidacy since 1980.” Now ask yourself. Would they be emphasizing this if, say, someone other than McCain was expected to win in SC? Don’t know. But one things for sure it will be the stat dejoir.
Fox calls HRC for Nevada.
I have no idea where people get totally unrealistic and unfounded ideas like this unless, perhaps they are so insulated on the Web that they hink everyone in the U.S. thinks just like themselves.
RCPs latest polls show that McCain is the only Republican who could beat either Clinton & Obama (4.0% & 1.3%, respectively), it also shows Romney losing to both (12.0% & 24.1%, respectively). He does worse in these polls than Rudy, Huck or Fred.
Even Edwards beats everyone but McCain.
And, last time I checked, Romney has higher national negatives than even Hillary.
Romney has won in three primaries. He won in Michigan where his daddy was governor and he promised auto workers that the government would get them their jobs back and he won in Nevada where he was pretty much unopposed. And he still had to shovel tons and tons and tons of dollars into those states to get a win (a tactic that doesn’t work in states where he doesn’t already have a “leg up” BTW).
Fred! is much more conservative than Romney and much more electable in a general election. Why conservatives would back Mitt so hard because they think that he is electable is beyond me.
Now, I’m no great fan of McCain (except I know that he would be best on national defense) and I think that Fred! has totally screwed himself in the primaries, but I just cannot understand why people insist on deluding themselves and others with the idea that McCain is unelectable and Romney is electable.
What has happened to FOX???
Is it; FOX = Geraldo = Illegals = McPain?????????
It is hard for many, (I believe most), Republicans to believe that open-borders John McCain, who, with his buddy Ted Kennedy, tried as hard as possible to force Shamnesty down the throats of the majority of Americans, can suddenly be the best candidate to win in November. Maybe my thinking is clouded by the amnesty fiasco, and McCains involvement, but there is absolutely no way he could EVER get my vote.
Short memories for others, or is the amnesty issue really not that important?
29Victor peddle your crap stats somewhere else. A true conservative candidate will rip BOTH Clinton and Obama on the facts during an election. Fred or Romney can lay out a clear position that will destroy the Dem choice. Fred talks a better game but Romney can deliver in the end. Just look at his proposed stimulus package…the man knows his stuff. Fred talks a better game but Romney can deliver in the end.
In my precinct (6113) we voted 4 for romney, 2 for thompson, 1 for mcCain and 1 for paul. The Ronulans decided to be classy and brought in 2.5 foot by 1 foot signs into the caucus. nice touch.
I voted for Fred but it didnt seem to matter.
Lars
Here’s some stat’s for ya 51% of Democrat’s in Nevada are Complete Moron’s, 45% are Plain Ol Moron’s and 4% are retard’s.
Yes….Facts = Crap.
Poll numbers = Crap.
Yer farking delusional in your devotion to Romney.
So, only one point of view is alowed here? It would be a bummer if that lemming-like mindset sent me elsewhere.
What possible proof do you have of this? A crystal ball?
If Romeny wins the nomination then in the general election you are going to have Slickster Mitt spouting a bunch of conservative principles against either a woman or a black man. All his opponent will need to do is point out how Romney was as pro-choice as they were when governor, or point to any other part of his liberal record.
Have you noticed that he doesn’t run on his record? Have you figured out why yet?
As important as national defense? as pro-life? as foreign policy experience? Um…no. Not to me, and not to millions of other Americans.
And a president isn’t going to be able to get anything done on immigration without congresses approval anyway. Do you folks think Romney or Fred! will come in and go an build a wall themselves?
McCain says that he has changed his mind on immigration (one thing), and no one seems to believe him, but those same people don’t have a problem believing that Romney has changed his mind on several things.
But…like I said. More than likely, having Romney as our nominee means a Democrat president, an then we have amnesty, poor national defense, higher taxes, poor foreign policy and more abortions.
My brother voted for Perot, but he always says “I didn’t vote for Perot, I voted against Bush.” Well…what we wound up with is Clinton.
So, stay home and lick your wounds and feel self-righteous if you want, but you are selling your country down the toilet if you do.
P.S. And I’m not even a McCainiac. If I’m nuts about any of them, it would be Fred! I just don’t understand how some have deluded themselves into believing that Romney is the Republican Great White Hope.
Scary to think they may elect the next POTUS.
I don’t think the President should build the fence, nor do I think they should do everything they could to prevent the border from being secured, as in, GWB. Would a President McCain veto another attempt at Shamnesty….yeah, right.
Listen to what McCain is saying on immigration, he absolutely has NOT changed his mind and is just as pro-amnesty as ever.
Hillary’s royal pronouncement that no woman is illegal must have pushed her over BHO.
GWB screwed up on immigration, but he’s still defending the country like a pit bull, McCain would do the same.
BTW, you know who really, really, really screwed up on immigration? I’m not talking “shamnesty,” I’m talking full-blown amnesty?
I’ll give you a hint. His name rhymes with Ronald Reagan.
So, you wouldn’t have voted for him (if possible) either?
We need to look past our anger and our pet issues and do what’s best for America.
I know, I know, McCain amnesty is bad for America, but if some Dem gets in a looses the War on Terror for us, then some Mexican taking away your job is going to be the least of your worries.
Was it Donald Faggan?
A Mayor Nagan?
Ok, I give up who was it?
OK, I would like to seriously ask you all some questions.
Many people really don’t like Sen. McCain, yet he wins New Hampshire and is now considered the frontrunner. As this moment, he is battling for the lead in South Carolina.
Many people on this site really like Fred Thompson. You praise him during the debate and where he stands on the issues. Yet, he pulled in only 7% today in Nevada. Seven!!! For the record, Ron Paul, gained 13% of the vote today.
Many people on this site don’t like “Flip Flop” Mitt Romney, yet he wins Nevada (by a landslide) and Wyoming and his campaign is quickly gaining momentum.
Many people on this site do like Duncan Hunter. As a matter of fact, people were overjoyed when he decided to stay in the presidential race. Some people even offered to write him checks to see if he could turn his campaign around. What percent did he get today?
1%.
Many people on this site don’t like Gov. Huckabee, even giving him degrading nicknames, yet he wins Iowa and is tied for the lead in South Carolina. Not to mention the fact that he has the endorsement of the Minuteman Project founder, even with the outrage of Ms. Malkin and Laura Ingram on his immigration views.
Many people on this site do like Rep. Tancredo, but where is he watching tonight’s presidential results? Not on the campaign trail.
So, what do you think?
Are the views of people on this site not aligned with the majority GOP?
Is it the media? IMHO, I don’t know if anyone can blame the media because Fox loves Rudy Giuliani, but he is barely making 13% in Florida, where he is making his last stand.
Are the issues that you all are passionate about (illegal immigration, etc.) not as important as other issues that undecided voters care about (ex. the economy) and thus the standards change?
I have seen people comment on this site that they will either a) hold their nose and vote for the GOP nominee or b) they just won’t vote at all.
I’m genuinely interested in the answers to these questions.
Thank you.
Blind_Mule
Don’t tease me bro
DarkKnight
Yes.
Nevada:
What are you people thinking?! Hillary?! Why?! What would she possibly do for you as president that she could not have done for you before, when she was “co-president?!”
The answer - other than allowing that gigantic hole in our national security known as the US-Mexican border to rip even wider - NADA!
One would think that voters who live and work in the nation’s gambling capitol, where the ability to read people and discern the bluffers from the straight dealers is a skill learned-on-the-job, would have been savvy enough to select anyone but Hillary to be their candidate, even Mr. Non-committed! But I guess not, seeing that Hillary won, however narrowly.
I don’t understand it, people, I just don’t understand it. I mean, to paraphrase Chris Rock at the Grammy’s: People, we’ve seen this movie before. Don’t you remember how it ends?” Apparently not. For it seems memories are short among Nevada democrats.
Sadly, the media drives these kind of predictable results. The fact Hillary Clinton is a contender are the same forces that make Paris Hilton a celebrity.
And in a sort of perverse and sickening way, these two people are exactly alike.
For full disclosure, I am a Rudy supporter.
That said, I wasn’t really all that sure about his strategy however as the primaries have unfolded his strategy seems more and more ingenius. Now, a Fred Thompson win would of course be the perfect icing on Rudy’s cake, however even if McCain wins in SC, I don’t know how much that will affect Florida.
Rudy has been living there the last month. He has roughly fifteen events weekly since the beginning of the year.
Rudy may very well pull off the Rope a Dope.
1. 1%
2. At home
3. I’m answering question’s
4. I don’t know
5. Yes
6. No
Screw Fred - within 24 hours of dropping out he will support McShame. I can just see him now sharing the stage with the McAmnesty crew including Graham and Lieberman. Go Mitt!
If Fred supports McAmnesty I will lose a LOT of respect for him. Real conservatives who are Fredheads now will go to Romney, as the liberals McCain and Huckabee are just not palatable enough.
Split-infinitive alert - Sorry, folks, I’m notorious for them. Correction below:
BYT: Blind_Mule, post #33 is hilarious!
It helps when the alternatives are guys like Giuliani, Huck, and McCain. Romney is the hard core rightwinger in the bunch.
If “ingenious” is your description for getting a whole series of sub Ron Paul finishes in the first five states, sure.
Tell me, how do you see Rudy winning the general when the only people who support him live in deep blue states?
I agree that McCain would be another Bush. That is a big reason I’ll never vote for him. Bush has come close to destroying the Republican party.
A forty-point margin for the Glacier among Latinos. Amazing.” No, not really… Just because the MSM created the “Black & Hispanic” demographic dose not mean that they love each other dearly.
I know I am going to take flack for this but…
Here in NYC, where there are plenty of both, the dirty little secret is that Blacks & Hispanics don’t always get along so well. Not as bad as in LA, no ethnic cleansing going on… but not so pretty either.
Good link Mike. I see the same thing. The other candidates spent a bag of money on a few delegates that don’t necessarily translate to the general election. With the economy coming into the campaign Rudy’s experience with NY’s will stand out. It’s one thing to get a stagnating economy going but, to stop a downward trend and go 180 degree
the other way takes leadership and management skills that few have.
On January 19th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, flenser said:
Tell me, how do you see Rudy winning the general when the only people who support him live in deep blue states?
What red state do you see going for a Hillary/Obama ticket?
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking soda when I read this. It would have shot right out my nose (ouch).
Yawn…stretch…is it convention time yet? No? ok…zzzzzzzzz.
Just so everyone knows, the Palmetto Scoop (linked above by Michelle) is run by a blogger paid by McCain’s chief campaign consultant in SC. It is essentially McCain’s campaign mouthpiece in the SC Blogosphere, and the shameless spin reads like a collection of McCain press releases. Buyer beware.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=22EFDFBB-3048-5C12-00325C7AEC570613
Excellent!
I hate politics. Dumb and dumber finish first and second.
I fear that in the fall we’ll be stuck between choosing a Diet Democrat and a Stalinist. Waaah.
Since McCain won I must point out I would not could not vot for him. I will vote down ticket but McCain will not get my vote.
The Reagan amnesty happened over 20 years ago. We were told at the time by none other than Ted Kennedy that if we granted amnesty to 2-3 million illegals the border would be secured. We did, it wasn’t, and now we have 20-30 million illegals, and we got the same BS story from Kennedy and McKennedy that we got in 1986. I didn’t believe the BS in 1986, and certainly not this time, and I don’t believe Ronald Reagan would have either.
Romney still front runner with delegates?
Guess the SC folks looooooovvvvvvvveeeeeeee illegals.
Have you noticed how McPain speaks?
With his teeth clinched together…..can he NOT open his mouth?
(insert foot too)
So what was the deal in Nevada? Turnout for Republicans was like four times the Democrat turnout. Hillary got what 5,000 votes.. whoopie
Ummmm. But Reagan did believe Kennedy, I guess he was a RINO, either that our he was outsmarted by Teddy.
So McCain makes the same mistake Reagan did. I know how to punish him, hand the country over to Clinton or Obama and see any immigration work that has been done reversed. Hand it over to 100% Dem control and see our national defense turned back into a joke, see the U.S. appologize and suck up to terrorists, see socialized healthcare, higher taxes, liberal justices, gun control, loss of more property rights, gay marriage.
Yeah, that’ll show McCain! The country will go straight to Hell, but at least you didn’t vote for that McCain guy. Good for you.
No, he can’t completely open it because his jaw and almost all of his teeth were broken during his time as a POW.
He couldn’t stop illegal drugs and immigrants from crossing his state border - how can he be the best on national security?
Let’s say the U.S. suffers another terrorist attack. Who do you want in the war room: McCain, Romney or Huckabee?
So you are saying I should vote McCain because he will ruin our country less then the Dems. That is one Heck of an endorsement.
Sorry I’m not being clear enough, what I said was that Reagan believed Kennedy on amnesty in 1986, but, were Reagan alive today, he would not be fooled again by Kennedy or McCain, as millions of American’s weren’t.
Yes, then Reagan was just an ignorant actor who was outsmarted by the tricky Teddy Kennedy. It’s not that Reagan made an error in judgement, it’s those crafty liberal’s fault.
But, if McCain makes the same error in judgement then he IS one of those crafty liberals.
I like this scenario. This way we can keep the myth of the “perfect conservative” alive and compare everyone else to him. This way we can wait for the return of the Republican Messiah to come and save our country.
Does this sound familiar? Hmmmmmm. I seem to remember people not voting for Bush Sr. because he didn’t properly fill the shoes of his predecessor. And what did that get us? It got us eight years of Clinton. And we are still experiencing the devastating results of that.
But now the stakes are higher then they were in the 90’s. We didn’t know that the enemy was at our gates. And now, that enemy is not only at our gates, but in our neighborhoods an colleges and office buildings. We fight them on the battlefield and in the UN and in dark, secret rooms in foreign countries. We are in the middle of a war that we MUST win.
Reagan ignored terrorism and immigration, he “held his nose” and signed spending and other bills sent to him by a liberal Congress because there were bigger fish to fry. He was focusing on an existential threat to the continued existance of the United States. I would hope that Republicans would be able to pick up THAT Reagan legacy, to put the good of the country before pride and personal ideology.
I was rewatching HamNation: Election Depression Hurts
I don’t think even having Hillary to run against would get me out of this Election Depression funk if McCain was the nominee.
If McCain is the nominee, I will not vote. No way, EVER! So, goodbye GOP. Maybe this is a good thing, because the GOP will die and we can rebuild it, hopefully. I cannot believe that SC forgot what this guy did? I have lost all respect for republicans. i guess there are very few conservatives left in this country since they will sell out everything we believe in (at least I still do) because they think someone is electable NEWSFLASH: he is not electable. I and many others will not vote if he is the nominee. I cannot pull the lever for him, not if I am going to be true to my principles.
I also cannot trust McCain on national security. How can anyone seriously tell me this guy is good on national security? His only credit: the war in Iraq. Otherwise his record: rights to terrorists, close Guantanamo, no waterbiarding, etc. And I am going to trust this guy to protect me? I would rather have 4 years of a Jimmy CArter (Clinton) and then a real conservative come along than 4 years of a lib McCain, then another 4 or 8 of a socialist/dem, which is what will ahppen.
Again, who would you rather in the war room if this country was attacked again? John McCain or Hillary Clinton?
Come on. 1986 can be brushed off as an understandable lapse in judgement. Everyone makes a mistake or two.
McVain pushing amnesty in 2007 into the teeth of the Republican party is not some mistake. He knows exactly what he is doing, and why, and he does not care thet we don’t like it. He’s Ted Kennedy with a war record.
I’ll take Hillary. No power in Heaven or on earth will make me vote for McCain.
He is not making the same mistake Reagan did. He is not making a mistake at all, in the sense of not knowing what he is doing. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is deliberately trying to destroy conservatism in America, acting in concert with his good friend Teddy.
And if McVain wins the nomination we will have this loser not even bothering to spout any conservative principles but instead telling Hillary or Obama how much he respects them.
I’m not seeing how that is an improvement.
Today the existential threat to the continued existence of the United States is it’s open borders immigration policy. And John McCain would do nothing about that threat. He is one of the people who created it.
The lack of logic there is staggering. Absolutely staggering.
Hillary wants to negotiate with terrorists but you’d rather have her in the war room than McCain because he won’t demonize brown people. Makes perfect sense.
Hillary vs McCain? I can’t see voting for the lesser of two evils still again, especially when it’s so hard to tell which one is the “lesser”.
HOW can SO MANY FredHeads be so ignorant of the Fred/McCain Siamese Connection - of their deep ButtBuddy friendship???
I continue to be STUNNED!
Does NOBODY who loves Fred do any homework beyond Law & Order EPISODES?
It’s a fact, when there had been four primaries, and Mitt had won TWO of them, and had more votes AND DELEGATES than the next 3 or 4 candidates PUT TOGETHER, Fox News kept saying THREE FOR THREE - THREE PRIMARIES AND THREE DIFFERENT WINNERS.
But it was THREE FOR FOUR and MITT had HALF of them!
When Mitt took Nevada, and it gave him so many DELEGATES that NOBODY ELSE WINNING ALL OF SOUTH CAROLINA’S DELEGATES PUT TOGETHER could catch him - Fox News said Mitt would NOT get any momentum.
But of course, the second McCain was called for SC, his face was suddenly THE WALLPAPER, and you’d think he was far ahead of the entire pack, and Mitt was down there with Julie Annie and my beloved Duncan Hunter.
Oh, and what a push McCain has for all the rest of the Primaries, because of SC, and IT PROVES NOBODY GIVES A FLIP ABOUT SHAMNESTY or any of McCain’s other lies and perversions OR HIS TRUTH SQUAD - shades of CLINTON!!!
SO BARFING!
Well, I tell you what, I’d rather look at Hillary for 4 more years KNOWING I DID NOT STOOP SO LOW AS TO VOTE FOR HER, than to jump on the bandwagon with DIM CROSSOVER VOTERS trying to make us swallow McCain as if he were the Conservative candidate.
And the military - if they hate Hanoi John, why don’t they hate McCain EQUALLY???
Then you’re living in different world than I am.
Because McCain worked with Kennedy, he’s like Kennedy? The American Conservative Union gives McCain a lifetime rating of 82.3%, Kennedy gets 2.5%. And how many hard-core lefties did Romney work with in Mass? And didn’t Fred back the McCain/Feingold Bill?
If you don’t vote for the GOP then the GOP will go away? The best way to change an organization is to sit at home and pout? If you can’t have your way then America can go to hell? Sorry, that kind of thinking is foreign to me.
Actually, polls show time and time again that McCain,currently, is the only Republican with a shot at winning the national election. I know that things can change, but there is no evidence right now that your statement is at all accurate. In fact all evidence is to the contrary. And if Giuliani or Romney get the nomination a whole bunch of Evangelicals and other hard-core pro-lifers are going to be the ones staying home. I figure there are a lot more of them then of you.
Right now, actually, the one that looks the most unelectable is Romney. I don’t understand why the Romulans can’t grasp that.
And McCain wants to destroy the GOP and Conservatism in America with his buddy Ted Kennedy.
Black helicopters anyone? Does Kennedy want to destroy liberalism in America because he worked with McCain?
In the past few weeks I’ve read comments from good conservative bashing Mid-Westerners in Iowa and Southerners in S.C. as hicks and morons because they didn’t vote for the “right guy.” I’ve read conservative’s comments degrading a war hero like his service was meaningless and said nothing about his character. It’s been ad hom, ad hom, ad hom, paranoia, whining, gloating and exaggerating. It’s starting to sound like the Daily Kos.
Dude, if you can’t tell the difference, then you haven’t been paying attention.
You are so completely RIGHT about THAT.
And the WORST would be having to look at myself in the mirror every single day and KNOW that all the #%#%# He pulls, I WOULD BE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR. That THAT EGOMANIACAL POWERMONGERING FRANKENSTEIN BACKSTABBING lowlife was ONLY sitting on that powerseat because of IDIOTS LIKE ME getting ourselves emotionally BLACKMAILED into voting for that #$%#%#%# SCAB.
I remember when the Republican party found out that David Duke was rising in political power on the GOP TICKET, and they INSTANTLY GAVE HIM THE BOOT, and kicked him OUT OF THE GOP PARTY, as well.
Now, look how they act over this guy who runs as “THE” Straightalker, WITH A “TRUTH SQUAD” comparable only to the Clinton’s BIMBO ERUPTION CONTROL COMMITTEE, and the media acts like THIS is a GOOD thing???
I’ll renounce the GOP party FOREVER before I vote for any candidate that smacks of the %%#%#$%%$ of this no-account McCain.
Why does McCain work so hard to make sure that Hanoi Hilton POWS have no voice in American politics? If ANYONE TODAY has earned the right to be heard, it is the HANOI HILTON POWS and the families of POWS AND MIAS AND KIAS, like the ones McCain hates to see come to Congress for their just due.
Then you and some bunch of Dim crossover voters go have yourself a fine party voting for McCain.
I’ll be busy hunting for a CONSERVATIVE person to write in.
Someone like Franklin Graham, or Oliver North, or Ann Coulter.
We don’t want to be part of your voting block, anyway.
There ain’t enough Drammamine on the planet for me to keep THAT one down.
And when you get “Mr. Electability” into the Oval Office, you can take ALL the glory for yourself.
Because one was a hero and one faked heroism to start a political career (I’m just grasping here, but it’s the first thing that comes to mind).
And OmbreRose (take yer meds, okay?).
EVERYONE knew THAT Mitt WOULD win NEVADA, to THE best OF my KNOWLEDGE none OF the OTHER RePUbliCAN candidates EVEN campaigned THERE much, AND Mitt ROMNEY won Michigan because his daddy had been the governor (sorry, can’t keep up caps-locking). The huge news would have been if he HADN’T won. And Mitt is behind in pretty much every other state. I don’t know why Romulans can’t understand these simple concepts.
But, if you are a Romulan, it would explain why you shout so much. Romulans do that, so to Vogons.
That’s just funny. Ya know, I think American’s do care about “Shamnesty,” they just care about other issues too. As for the “shades of Clinton,” Romeny has been the slickest one of all, he has been the one changing his mind according to polling data, he’s the one with the history of saying and believing what he needs to to get elected.
YOU NAILED THAT!
Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy with a giant twist of Bill Clinton added in.
Ahnold Man on the Rocks!
He makes Ralph Nader, Algore, and Ed Asner look like true blue patriots!
Um…you didn’t actually quote me there.
Who is “we,” you and the voices?
I found another SIGNATURE rant of yours here.
It’s ironic that you seemed to hate Clinton so much, but it’s people like you (who refused to vote for “Liberal Bush #1) that put him into office.
Umm….I don’t want any “glory for myself” I want my country to be safe. I don’t agree with many, many things that McCain has done, but my personal opinion isn’t as important to me as America’s security.
This is paranoid, vapid, hyperbole that isn’t even worthy of comment. It is however, worthy of Huff Po or the Daily Kos.
It might come to YOUR mind, but the word “HERO” is the last thing that comes to MY mind when I read McCain’s military history, and heard with my own ears someone pin him down about all that “TORTURE” last year which turned out to comprise HEAVILY of three days of him begging for medical attention for the injuries he sustained in his crash, and ending with him finally paying generously for his medical attention.
You’ll notice the man doesn’t limp or have debilitated arms. When he so “humanly” confessed, aw gee guys, I just cannot handle pain. But I didn’t mean to give anyone the wrong impression!
No, I’m not a Mitt Romney fan, but I am a Duncan Hunter fan, and I am an Audie Murphy fan, and a Sargent Alvin C. York fan, and a Jeremiah Denton fan, and a Corrie ten Boom fan, and a Mark Witt fan, and a Gladys Aylward fan, and a Franklin Graham fan.
And there once was a little old lady who lived barely half a mile from me - she was in her 80’s and the illegal aliens her neighbor was smuggling through here all the time used to come to her door begging for food, because the coyote wasn’t feeding them well at all. And on night, one of the very grateful little “brown men” came back, and raped and tortured her to death, and then burned her house down around her ears.
And I can tell you of about 10 others just like her IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, where I live less than 2 hours from OPEN BORDER FIGHTING in Texas, Oh, in case y ou did n’t catch that - the warfare is ON THE TEXAS SIDE.
Well you person you - there are thousands of LEGAL BROWN PERSONS AROUND HERE and I AM A BROWN PERSON TOO - and THEY aren’t going around with FORGED DOCUMENTS, and COUNTERFEIT MONEY, and forged voting registration cards at about 37 PER POCKET, selling drugs to KIDS, and encouraging them to steal from every house and business they can get into so they can use the goods they’ve stolen to pay for their drugs! Collecting Social Security checks at a rate of up to 20 cards worth EACH PERSON on the dole of American TAX PAYERS.
It ain’t as if the Fed Reserve is printing THOSE checks out of forged documents, instead of taking it from the taxpayers, ya know!
John Mc Cain–as a true American hero,you have my utmost respect.As a candidate for president you can SMD.
McCain Feingold, waterboarding is torture he won’t stand to see muslim terrorists treated that way, Gang of 14, Truth Squad, “straight talker”, Shamnesty McCain Kennedy, etc etc etc etc - open borders McCain??????????
Why on earth should Huffpo and Kos attack McCain, the FIRST CHOICE of Hanoi John for his VEEP???????
So barfing.
McCain who was UNANIMOUSLY CENSURED by the Arizona Republican Caucus, as a result of ALL his shenanigans which led to his last Senate re-election victory coming AT THE HANDS OF DIM CROSSOVERS and himself being shunned by the Arizona GOP?
ROTFLTHH!!!
When people tell you he makes HILLARY look good, it should have given you a PAUSE for some consideration.
You know we ain’t Dims - because he is the DIMS FAVORITE CANDIDATE. And you know it!
There is a REASON he is the only Republican Veteran they ADMIRE.
You might like to remember that DOLE is the reason Clinton got elected in Bush’s second election - and it is DOLE we usually point out as a reason we won’t vote for McCain - they share so much in character alike, what they are not busy sharing with Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy.
Sorry, Mister, but I voted for EVERY BUSH ELECTION, and I am from Texas, so that included two Governorships for GW, as well as his daddy for Prexy, and himself, both times.
However, I did NOT vote for Gerald Ford who pardoned Nixon without a trial - “so the nation could heal” - though I voted for Nixon.
And I did NOT vote for Robert Dole, or for H. Ross Perot - for the same reasons I won’t vote for McCain.
BUT I STILL VOTED EERY SINGLE ELECTION.
I live less than two hours from the Mexico border, and I’ve watched people I’ve known all my life be murdered in cold blood in my neighborhood, in the war for our security - and our security is precisely why I will NEVER vote for McCain, or Huckleberry, or Julie Annie, or Fred or Newt.
I will say this - Robert Dole at least exemplified a WAR HERO.
And even though I saw him excuse McCain for spilling his guts about his home ship and all aboard, I didn’t buy what he was selling back when he was setting up and backstabbing Bush Sr, and I didn’t buy what he was selling when he was excusing McCain, and I don’t buy NOTHING with the DOLE brand on it, any more for decades - his own personal heroism not withstanding.
And if you think I’ll help put the likes of McCain who pushed through the anti-torture bill in the face of Abu Ghraib just to butt-lick the DIMS and slap our boys as hard in the face as he knew how to do, and set that smarmy character up as Commander In Chief over our boys and girls in uniform while he hamstrings the lot of them every way he can and hand feeds them to the DIM WOOD CHIPPER, you are out of your mind.
Did anyone notice the huge disparity in votes? Romney had 4 times the votes of Shrillary! Is the ratio of Republican vs. donk that great in Nevada? Our 4th place guys had nearly as many votes as she or Obama had!
Ombre Rose:
There is much to be said against the candidacy of John McCain. But attacking him for not suffering enough as a prisoner of war? What kind of ogre are you?
Tell you what - you go spend 5 years in a prison camp and come back here unaffected. The psychological scars don’t show, do they. And you go after McCain because HE DOESN”T LIMP? What an ass.
No mention in your little screed about McCain turning down an early trip home when the Nviets offered him early release. Gee - how could you have forgotten that? Or did it just not fit into your execreable narrative?
I would never vote for John McCain in a primary and I would have to be forced at the point of a gun (a hillary candidacy) to vote for him in a general election. But you sound like some kind of anti-military left wing schtupe. When you diss McCain’s service record, you are denigrating other POW’s as well.
I’m not even going to try and be polite about this. You are an idiot.
I absolutely love the parroting of “He’s not electable” as if some alternate reality of elections exists where votes don’t count. Well, excluding Cleveland of course.
Whether it’s McLame, the Huckster or the Chief Ronulan himself, ultimately the electorate will decide and not a bunch of blogophiles.
Mitt Romney 22,649 51% 17
Ron Paul 6,087 14% 4
John McCain 5,651 13% 4
Mike Huckabee 3,616 8% 2
Fred Thompson 3,521 8% 2
Rudy Giuliani 1,910 4% 1
Duncan Hunter 890 2% 1
10 Months out and everybody is ready to crown the the rich, successful guy. Why? So we can be rich and successful?
All the media adulation for their choices while the unsung guy continues to beat them.
Florida’s two Senators: one a Demo and the other a RINO. Not damn bit of difference between them. I pray for the day a Conservative replaces Martinez.
Let us not forget that whatever McCain was, now he is a career politician with more time in Washington than in the military. And his recent record, which clearly indicates his political leanings and should define his qualifications for President, is not a shining beacon of conservatism. It is, in fact, pretty much the opposite; and the, “So what, he’s a war hero.” types are missing the point entirely.
The polls, which you put such total faith in with respect to who can win an election in November, show that I am living in the same world as the typical Republican voter.
How you can view the out of control invasion of America by tens of millions of people who make the Democratic party seem right-wing as anything other than an existental threat to the country is beyond me. It is certainly a much greater threat than some terrorists.
But somehow I’m sure that you will be unable to respond with anything other than your usual “you guys are like Kos” inanities.
Please, take a look at the man so many are anxious to make our candidates based on two sub-40% showings in the primaries so far.
Not too long ago the talk about McCain was whether or not he would jump ship and join the Democrats. Today, a lot of people are trying to insist that he is a true blue conservative and a rock-ribbed Republican, and to flush everything else down the memory hole.
michelle you should consider using coveritlive (www.coveritlive.com) for your liveblogging things.
Simple point: anyone who would claim to vote for Hillary over any of the Republican candidates - even Paul(!) - is no conservative. In one case here that I’ve confronted before - and who still won’t keepoa promise to answer a simple question after 3 months(!!!!) - that person has proven himself to be a lib shill in the past, here to deflate enthusiasm for whomever the Republican frontrunner is. Today that person proved it by stating he would vote for Hillary over McCain. Not abstain from the process, mind you, but actually, physically vote for Hillary!
I know some people are prepared to do the unthinkable and sit out the vote if near-prefection is not the available voting option, which is a defacto vote for Hillary or Obama, and I hope they change their minds. But for me, for any “conservative” to actually to claim to be prepared to physically cast the vote proactively for Hillary is beyond comprehension and beneath contempt.
On another point: As a Rudy supporter (with Mitt as my second choice) I agree with Marshall and other people here (Brooklyn Red, et al) that Rudy’s fingernail-biting strategy is not only academically facinating to watch, but has as much suspense as a really good Hitchcock film. I just hope his grass-roots, handshake-and-baby-kissing appeal is as strong in Florida as it was in NYC.
Romney and McCain are abject liberals whose supporters cannot begin to explain why they are good candidates without resorting to the shallowest of defenses. Most of them either don’t know or don’t care.
Higher taxes, more spending, more amnesty, liberal judicial appointments, ignoring the 2nd amendment, socialized medicine, etc. will not only cause people to give up on Republicans, but it will cost conservatism the chance to expound its truth and change hearts.
The creep to socialist enslavement and the ultimate death of America will accelerate.
Even if these liberals get defeated, we need to do a serious examination of why we are so close to disaster when we should be having a chance to pick the best of conservatives.
If you’re a liberal democrat, you have to be celebrating. The Perfect Storm for Hillary is brewing.
Mitt Romney versus John McCain versus