The end of Mike Huckabee
Liveblogging…
He’s taking the stage at his Columbia HQ. Huckabee says he just called McCain to congratulate him and thank him for a “civil,” “decent” campaign.
Huckabee slyly attacks Romney by praising himself and McCain for campaigning with “honor” instead of attacking someone else.
Oookay. The sanctimony is oozing like a popped zit. Ick.
The guys at Hot Air are on my same wavelength.
Huck tries to encourage his troops to feel “sheer joy.” Unconvincingly.
Maybe I heard it wrong, but I think he just referred to his campaign in the past tense: “What we had…”
Pep talk: “We didn’t lose tonight. The game ended a little early tonight. The path to the White House is not ending here tonight. We’re resetting the clock…I still believe a year from now…all of you will be in Washington for my inauguration…We’ve got a lot of miles ahead of us…”
Unconvincing. He’s trying to mask his disappointment. It’s not working.
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One can only hope.
One good thing came out of tonight Huckabee lost. I am thankful of that.
I agree, at least the Huckster didn’t win the night.
Early day tomorrow, good night all.
If history serves, we will see McAmnesty as our nominee. So many will sit out if that is true, we might as well say hello to a Democrat president.
Food for thought. What if McAmnesty gets the nomination and chooses Fred for VP?
Huckty Dumpty
I turned from FoxNews coverage to CNN - when they cut off Fred’s address to his supporters.
I put the TV on mute 30 seconds after Huckahooey started talking.
I have no intention of listening to anything John McCain says.
If, somehow, Romney and Giuliani are eliminated in the primary process, I am giving up voting. I have had it with the whole sorry process.
Does this mean he will now be seeking the Democratic nomination?
The only thing Huckabee has is HOPE.
Other than that he is a fool with a pulpit.
I think he should retire from politics and do charity work for the Humane Society.
Yes, that’s what the Lord would want him to do.
Go away Huckabee, and to those that support him, stop embarrassing the republicans that actually have a grasp on global politics and how those politics impinge on our national sovereignty and traditions.
I do NOT want to be a member of the EU.
I want my country to be boldly independent and right minded.
I want my fellow citizens to become aware of the ISLAMIC threat and I want a gracious but steadfast resistance to this threat starting from the top down.
In other words I want leadership.
Mike Huckabee you are no leader.
We now have a three way race in Florida between Mitt, McCain, and Rudy. Florida is winner take all in delegates. My prediction is if Mitt or McCain win Florida that person will be the Nominee, If Rudy wins there will be a 50/50 chance of a brokered convention.
This thing is far from over. We are really going to have to come together to keep a democrap out of the W/H.
What a night of terrible foreboding. Obama vs. McCain? Something like Peter Pan vs. Captain Hook. Can things get any worse? Yes, they always can, though it is hard at the moment to see how.
WOW!
“Other than that he is a fool with a pulpit.”
winemkr for president!!
I heartily agree with your post.
Here Here!
If it McCain vs a Dem there is no way to keep a Dem out of the WH. Since Bush won in 2000, several times it has been talked about McCain wanted to become a Dem. I don’t think you can claim to be a strong republican if in the last election you were courted by the other side to run as there VP.
Jacob I hear you. McCain is a dem.Thats why the msm is so all for him.
UGH. I hope none of these guys who step down give their support to McCain.
I guess the uninformed are voting for him? Anyone paying attention last summer and fall with his amnesty ideas would never vote for McCain.
I know it’s bleak, but here’s my hope: the Huckster drops out and the duped conservatives who have been supporting him move over to Fred. Maybe then the media will pay attention. Who knows, maybe even Fox News will. I’m hoping that Fred ticks off the media so badly they start slamming him… with lots of airtime.
And I know conservatives… a McCain nomination is a win for the Dem. Far too many will just sit home out of the same disappointment many of us are feeling right now. With Romney there’s a glimmer of hope he can beat Edwards (after the negatives on Clinton and Obama catch up to the… and I’m not referring to gender or race… they’re just lousy candidates.)
I understand the liberal media ignoring Fred, hoping he’ll go away. But why are conservatives ignoring the conservatives in the field. Tancredo. Hunter. Thompson. I just don’t get it. Are they still miffed that Fred entered late? Are they incapable of adjusting their mindset after they think the field is closed?
Just GO AWAY Huckabee. You side slimed with Push Polls, and you claim to be the clean guy?
Gomer, you’re a liar.
How does this guy manage to get 25% of the vote - and Thompson or Hunter end up with crumbs?
Has the Republican Party simple gone Stupid?
Is Fred running for McCain VP? McCain’s people are thanking Fred for taking out Huckabee, and inversly Huckabee’s people are blaiming Fred for there loss.
Even if Fred is McCain number two, I won’t vote for McCain
beenthere said:
“What a night of terrible foreboding. Obama vs. McCain? Something like Peter Pan vs. Captain Hook. Can things get any worse? Yes, they always can, though it is hard at the moment to see how.”
Well put. I’m sorry, but the average American voter is a stark staring moron. Dumb as a box of rocks. They don’t bother to even remotely educate themselves about the candidates and the issues and many of them “vote for Jesus” via the Huckster. Or for Ted Kennedy’s pal, the McAmnesty RINO.
This country continually reelects Murtha, Pelosi, Kucinich…Kucinich, for God’s sake! That guy should be working at a carnival. The average person in this country is an idiot and we have exactly the government officials we deserve.
From what i have garnered, not very many Fred Heads like McCain, so I don’t think they would have voted for McCain but for Romney and that would have put the Huckster at #3. I think the Huckster was just upset at Fred for his calling him out as the pro-life democrat that he is, and McCain the Democrat Operative would in no way get the Fred Head’s vote.
I cannot believe that McCain will get the nomination, but if he does I will be letting the RNC know why I am sitting this one out. I vowed back in the 90’s that if I were ever faced with voting for McCain as a presidential candidate I would sit it out. I always keep my vows to myself. My only hope is that Mitt continues to get delegates and ends up with the most at the end. RedState.Com had a review of possibilities. I just hope that Thompson doesn’t give his delegates to McPain. I sure wish this was over…
At the risk of again repeating myself, I will do so:
We are in deep trouble here. There is not a surviving candidate who is packing the gear (read: some steel in his backbones) to deal with either the border problem or the worldwide jihad and its many facets.
The guys who could have done it are gone - they died on the vine from neglect by the so-called conservative base and the MSM.
That would be Mr. Tancredo and Mr. Hunter. This is too bad for the U.S.A. The Islamization of the U.S.A. can now march on, pretty much unimpeded.
Gomer Pyle ain’t gonna go anywhere.
He has no chance.
And I don’t believe McCan’t has it locked in either. I’ll wait until Feb. 5th to see what happens.
I dont think McCain has it locked, like I said earlier if McCain or Mitt win Florida they will have it locked up. If Rudy wins Florida it will be a delgate hunt or a brokered convention.
It’s looking more and more like a democrap in the big house soon - keeping in mind McCain is one of them. I will NOT vote for him should he be the nominee, I’d rather abstain, or switch and vote for the least likely democrap just so my vote isn’t totally wasted..
While conservatives may not like Huck the Schmuck, they should be rooting for him over the McCain Mutiny for one simple reason: He can beat Obama.
Hear me out; if McCain is the Stupid Party candidate, the Obamas can go ahead and start measuring the drapes for the White House because they will annihilate McCain. Old, cranky, war-mongering 72-year-old dinosaur vs. young, smiling, peace-making guy who looks about 37? Duh. Game over, John! Say hi to Bob Dole on the porch, mmmkay?
Huck can talk the centrist, populist bleeding heart, Christian
Socialistliberal compassion talk with more credibility than someone named Barack Hussein Obama who used to be raised Muslim as a child. It may be cynical to say that a white Baptist has an edge over a black ex-Muslim/current member of what could be considered the Church of Black Rage (aka Trinity United Church of Christ) but since identity politics seem to be rampant this cycle, we may as well start guessing as to how the various herds and tribes could side up.If Obama was “O’Brien” - not impossible; I have a black friend named McQuitty - and attended a more mainstream church, this angle would be mooted, but since it’s not, you’ve gotta consider the discomfort factor of the electorate - those racist pinheads, you know? Huck’s Stars-and-Bars crap may pay off in the end. (Unfortunately.)
Why should we wait to be told what the RINO’s records are from the Libs??
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Why all the Huck hate?
Why all the Huck hate? My friend, he deserves it. Sorry if you’re offended.
Quickly scanning down through these comments, do the vast majority of us believe there’s no way in hell that Huck will get the nomination? Do we all agree that a McCain nomination is a clear path to Hillary? So shouldn’t “we” - the small sect who apparently still knows what conservatism is all about - do something about it? Should we write letters to newspapers all over the country or do SOMETHING? I am a Fred supporter and I swear to God, I believe he’s the only one who can beat Hillary in the fall. You can’t out-lib her so the candidate better have principles. Fred is the guy.
For all of you who hope Huckabee’s supporters will rally to your flag, you’re likely to find out your hope is misplaced. You’ve made it clear we aren’t welcome. Not here, not in the Republican party as a whole.
Thanks for that. It’s been an eye opening experience for me. Who will I vote for in November? I don’t know. But if it’s the Republican nominee, it won’t be because I feel like their party represents me. It’ll be another lesser of two evils choice.
But I’ll leave you with one thought. Be honest with yourselves. Evangelical Derangement Syndrome is just as alive and well here as BDS is with the liberals. It shines through the posts and comments with every “Huckster,” “Huckleberry,” “Gomer,” and “Hucked up,” and especially with every time you’ve told us what idiots we are.
Hey, Radiojoe1470, need a hand nailing that other hand up? I mean, since you’re following your pastor’s lead and acting as if every bit of criticism - no matter how well-founded on policy differences it may be - is a bigoted attack on your faith, why not act as if you’re being crucified?
I have gone toe-to-toe with anti-Christian bigots in forums where they actually believe the NY Times is too CONSERVATIVE and that “United 93″ was a Bushitler-ordered propaganda movie to cover up the truth that Darth Cheney had the plane shot down. So to be accused of not wanting Evangelicals in the party makes me wonder why I’ve bothered sticking up for people of faith when you are just as narrow, rigid and intolerant as the atheist-secular types smear your ilk as being.
Here’s a news flash, Sparky, the least of Huckabee’s problems is his craven pandering to the “Jesu uber alles” types like you. Conservatives’ problems with Huck are the same as their problems with other candidates POLICIES, not theologies.
* Huck is an open-borders guy. Just like McCain and every other damn Stupid Party candidate still in the race. We’re angry at them, but you think we’re only mad at Huck because he preaches, er, campaigns on a stack of Bibles?
* Huck believes in ignoring “thou shalt not steal” Commandment in order to confiscate the wealth of producers and transfer it to “the poor”, just like Edwards and all the other populists (read: class warriors.) Conservatives don’t care if they’re being robbed in the name of Karl Marx or Jesus Christ, but you only think that it’s Huck’s floating cross bothering us.
I could go on, but you’re not listening, are you? As a conservative, I’ve got no one in this race I can support without feeling queasy. I’ll be voting anti-Democrat as I’ve done for the past 20 years since the Stupid Party hasn’t been able to get the clue that Reagan and Gingrich had winning principles.
For every one of you “if Huck isn’t the nominee, we’re staying home” brats, there is a cohort of babies threatening tantrums if their guy isn’t on the ballot. What makes you special other than your certitude that we’re bothered by your guy because of his religious faith?
Isn’t it funny how the Huck martyrs probably didn’t have a problem when Huck was running around smearing Mormons as believing that “Jesus and the Devil are brothers.” Conservatives of faith are already getting it in the neck from the Treason Media, Hollyweird and secular culture; they don’t need to get your grief and self-proclaimed persecution complexes.
Enjoy your smug holier-than-thouness under a Obama or Hillary! regime where gay marriage and abortion up to and after birth are enshrined as the law of the land. But, that’s our problem, isn’t it? You’re going to be swept up to Heaven and we’re just going to be Left Behind, aren’t we? Get over yourself, Flanders.
#29 - I don’t think you are an idiot. I feel sorry that someone like Mike Huckabee has completely pulled the wool over your eyes and he’s trying to do it to the rest of us.
I mean you no harm, but I will never support Mike Huckabee.
We don’t need another ‘Bob Dole’ candidate. Look what happened the last time we elected someone to run because it was his turn. John McCain is this years Bob Dole.
Radiojoe, don’t kid yourself. I know a lot of evangelicals, and I am one myself, who cannot and will not stand Huck. A few reasons why:
1. Dirty campaigner, or terrible leader, either way when his supporters push-polled, and lied outright about the competition it hurt him. He was either not a “Christian leader,” or not a “Christian leader.”
2. He was caught in multiple lies/untruths/oopsies - whatever you want to call it, starting with his not-a-theology degree. The man ought to be aware of his own college degree and “somehow” misstated it to make himself look better than he did. His own research director, Joe Carter, had to try to clean up that mess.
3. He offered a great deal of support to illegals in Arkansas. Everything from cheaper college tuition than students from neighboring states would have enjoyed, to complaining about a big ICE raid, to demonizing his opponents as unChristian and anti-life, to a sweetheart deal for a Mexican consulate.
4. That “I’m a clean campaigner so I won’t show this attack ad I’m about to show you” nonsense cost him several votes in the circles I run in. He looked positively Clintonian.
5. For all his “I’m a tax cutter” the fact is that he raised taxes $500 million. It was NOT all required by the courts, and furthermore he didn’t even consider cutting spending.
6. He repeatedly campaigned for Democrats, and left the AR GOP in a shambles.
7. He was a nightmare on foreign policy. Cuba, GITMO, Pakistan… gaffe after gaffe. Then it turned out his big foreign policy paper - when he caught some backlash for the “arrogant” comment, he first defended it, then tried to weasel out of it with “what I meant was…” then backed off it and said someone else probably wrote that part. Weak. Pitiful.
There are other reasons, but those I can think of just off the top of my head.
Huckabee’s faith, which I share, is NOT the reason I’ll cross party lines to vote against him if he ever became the nominee.
Oh, and reason #8: Whenever someone called him on legitimate issues like 1-7, he or his proxies whined, “You just don’t like me because I’m a Christian!
And that reminds me of reason #9: he sounds just like John Edwards with all that class warfare. Good grief, the economy has been going like gangbusters for, what, 52 months in a row? When Huck was called out on a gaffe recently he said, “There are bigger issues to deal with right now, like unemployment.” Unemployment which as been at record lows for some time, and only recently crept back up to a still unbelievably low 5%. Back when Clinton was in office the media was calling that “essentially full employment.” The amount of people making $100k a year has more than doubled. But Huckabee took a page out of the Democrats’ economy playbook.
He’s probably a great guy to invite over for a BBQ with the family, but there’s no good reason to put him in the White House.
“It shines through the posts and comments with every “Huckster,” “Huckleberry,” “Gomer,” and “Hucked up,” and especially with every time you’ve told us what idiots we are.”
If the shoe fits….
The infuriating thing about the evangelical Huckster supporters is they can’t be counted on to be Republican voters and yet they demand their agenda be pandered to by the Republican Party. Look at your post. You’re already well into I’m-taking-my-Jesus-ball-and-going-home-if-we-don’t-get-the-God-candidate mode. Evangelicals aren’t Republicans first, they aren’t conservatives first, they aren’t even Americans first. It’s all pouting and “Smash stem cell research now or I won’t go to the polls!”
Not putting the nation first in a POLITICAL contest but instead demanding every part of your pet religious agenda be bowed down to and catered to immediately. In the meantime, Democrats build a broader coalition and the country takes another step towards the abyss. Good work.
Huckabee shows no more knowledge of foreign affairs, or national government for that matter, than the average Piggly Wiggly employee. He has absolutely no chance whatsoever of defeating Obama or Clinton.
I didn’t realize Obama or Clinton were up to speed on foreign policy either :).
On January 19th, 2008 at 11:08 pm, Jacob Hammond said:
I won’t vote for McCain
Look at his record on illegal immigration. McCain is a traitor in uniform… Period.
He is not running any more but, what did you think about Tom Tancredo?
Both Obama and Clinton are canny enough to pull into their camp, and reference, establishment Dem foreign policy figures. Awful though they may be, they lend enough credibility to at least look legit. The execrable Madeline Albright, for example. Huck’s got bupkus and it shows.
#37 Bhisma said “He [Fred] is not running any more..”
Did you mean he’s not realistically IN the running based on his performance so far, or did you mean he’s not running, because as far as the rest of the world knows, he hasn’t pulled out just yet..
El-Rushbo and Michelle will not let McCain be the Republican nominee. Romney will be our next President in ‘08. McCain is too old and too sleazy. Huckabee is a clown. Fred is dead. Who is Guilliani trying to fool with his so called stratagy?
Start exercising and taking your vitamins, then, because the Dems and RINOs are champing at the bit for universal health care (three lies for the price of one) and MittCare is already starting to crash and burn. Not soon enough for the rest of the country, though.
Well, I did my part. My vote was for Romney. I literally decided as I looked over the ballot options.
My vote was as much against Huckleberry Hound and John McCain.
I just wonder about all the Huck-derangement.
Fred, Rudy, Mitt, John–all seem as deeply flawed. If any of them were to win, they’d still have to deal with a deeply divided public. Hilary and Barack and even Edwards are gathering momentum because people support their values–millions of Americans. Bush has done conservatism no favors. So are we expecting far too much from a conservative candidate? Who could really win as a conservative?
Two words: Jimmy Carter
Huckster is saying the things he knows you want to hear just to get the nomination. Look at his record and you’ll see he more closely resembles carter than Reagan.
I am an evangelical Christian but I am not fooled by his “Give me the power” rhetoric. Remember, “Actions speak louder than words” Seriously, look at his Arkansas record and see what he did not what he is now saying.
By the way, I’m no fan of the other Republican candidates either.
I personally don’t think that whoever wins Florida has the nomination wrapped up. True, it does confer momentum, but I would suggest that the Floridian contest is going to be fairly tight.
My suggestion? Wait until after Nuclear Tuesday on the fifth. Even at that, we very likely won’t have enough info to make a decision.
Hold on to your hats, people. I say that this is probably going down to the wire, with every state making a big difference. It could easily go into the convention, no matter who wins Florida.
The sanctimony is oozing like a popped zit. Ick.
Now there’s a metaphor I’ve not had the pleasure of equating with Mike Huckabee.
Actually, his entire campaign is a boil on the butt of the GOP.
is this a gross-out contest this morning? ew, cmon man it’s early here.
I want to see how much of a fighter Fred is.
Go Fred!
In it to win it!
Not over yet, dont let these states decide 08!
Stay in!
or the flippin media!
A baseball game isnt over in the 6th inning, geez look at McCain, he came back from the grave for crying out loud.Let’s get some positive momentum going for fred! step it up folks!
yes, we can do it!
Go Fred!
The trouble is the media does control so much of what people hear. I’m sure that there are a lot of folks that have know idea who Duncan Hunter was or that he even ran.
One by one the media suppresses the candidates until their man is in. It’s an uphill battle. First they knocked off Hunter, now they will finish off Thompson, then Rommney. In the end it will be a weak Rep vs. Shill.
This has not been a good news weekend. I just hope Fred hangs in there until “Super Tuesday” if not I will have no recourse, but to vote for Romney. Come on Fred show us what you got it is clutch time no reason to hold anything back now!
and it would help if they only allowed people to vote that had a clue…lmao
National Primary day, take the wind out of the media with all they’re BS commentary state by state, sound bite by sound bite and biased anaylyst’s.
My rankings: IMHO
1. Anyone but Huckleberry
2. Anyone but Ron Paul
3. Anyone but McCain
Remaining:
1. Fred
2. Romney
3. Rudy
Bottom Line in November:
No Hilary
No Obama
No Edward.
for the record,
Today I’m supporting the Packer’s.
The MSM does set the tone, and Michelle simply parrots it when it comes to Hunter and Fred.
Shame on you MM for carrying the ater for the MSM with your snark and negative spin and repetition of hit jobs about Fred.
MM are you willing to stand up for scrutiny that you put on others? Thats a key test of personal integrity.
So far, you are failing your own standards.
Whats wrong MM? Why the lack of honesty integrity?
And you have the gall to gripe about the lack of conservative values in the race…
Hypocrite.
Yes I am still angry and bitter that someone with whom I share tons of values is so shallow and “stuck on stupid” when it comes to the Candidate that shares our values.
And yes, I am calling out MM.
Just like Geraldo whom she savaged for lacking the courage to apologize for an error, and dishonest for failing to retract a repeated lie, the shoe fits Michelle when it comes to Thompson.
Two conservative words for you MM: Personal Integrity.
Two more: personal accountability.
You seem to be lacking BOTH lately WRT Thompson.
Michelle, by your own standards, you can be called gutless (do not have the courage to apologize for a very public error in the Politico posting) and dishonest (published a Politico lie and never retracted it).
Combine those two attirbutes and you have someone that fails the “integrity” test.
Why Michelle, why?
With Thompson and Hunter out of the way, will you turn on Romney next, slurring him and adding negative spin every time you post about him - and posting Politico smear jobs?
Will you go ahead and finish your destruction of the Conservative candidates?
Hillary and Obama would be delighted with your work to date.
I think I speak for alot of people around here colorado and talk like that gets you nowhere. are you familar with DLTDHYOTWO? It’s Michelles site, feel free to start you’re own and voice you’re opinions there.
Ok… where is Fred deeply flawed? I’m waiting…
You sound alot like some people that go to my church. They put there nose’s up at you because you don’t wear a three piece suit to church, they dismiss your opinion about a passage in bible study class because they know the bible and the nature of God better than you. Plain and simple they JUDGE you for none other than they think that where you live, what you drive and what you wear matter’s to the almighty. Well her e have a clue Jesus did’nt live in a mansion and wear a three piece suit’s and Florshiem shoes, he did’nt have a sleek beautiful horse to ride and he really did’nt care what you looked like only how you acted.
Think about this statement, as far as I’m concerned you have just called mine and other’s faith into question and that’s fine if that’s your opinion but it is my duty to respond back to your pompus attitude. Mike Huckabee has done nothing more than turned Christianity into a whore for his own power hungry purpose’s. If you think that’s alright then you can live in your dilusional world. The church does not belong in National Politic’s, If your asked a question about your faith, then fine answer the question honestly and let it be done with, but to continually bring the subject up when no one has asked is wrong and to continue it is even worse. I do not dislike you or think I am better than you or anyone else. Everyone has their opinion and for you to sit and whine that nobody support’s your choice and degrade other’s with your poor me attitude is dispicable. Jesus did’nt whine when he was sentenced to death on the cross, he embraced it. Maybe you should take a deep look into why you support Huckabee, if it is because he is a Babtist minister then you have blinded yourself with your own religious beliefs.
Yep, watch that door OC.
O.C. you can blame the MSM, Youtube, or Michelle for Freds poor proformance if you want , but the bottom line is Fred ran a lackluster campaign. He started late and didn’t get up to speed until the last debate. This years primary season was compressed more than in the past. He should have come out with guns blazing but he didn’t.
But I don’t think it’s too late!
And way to go Blind Mule #62!
Madchef - in another post I said the fault is primarily Thompson’s for not running a good campign (see the Thompson thread for my own difficulties and furstrations in getting the Thompson Campaign to do *anything* out here in Colorado).
I’m not here to convince you, Im here to open your eyes and maybe get Michelle Malkin to come clean and tell us why the spin and negativity. I assume that she does have some good reason for it, and I’d like to know it.
But with “friends” like MM, who needs enemies?
And I note - not one of you has addressed the point - you merely kneejerk defend MM without answering why - why has she not come clean, why has she spun negative, why has she not repudiated a lie she printed (the Politico one that damaged Thompson a lot in Iowa)?
Hmm? Stick to the questions.
And FYI, I have had my own site since March of last year.
MM deserves to be questioned on this - and prior to this I have admired her and thought her a friend to conservatives. Border/Immigration, Judges, War, taxes, Abortion, Interrogation, Smaller Government, etc. I agree with Michelle along the line. And so did Thompson. Which is why I wonder that MM was dishonest about the one candidate other than Hunter that was carrying the right message?
But her behavior so far, as I DOCUMENTED, has been hurtful, not helpful, for the conservative message carriers in this race. And she has offered no rational explanation for her constant negative spin on Thompson.
Put it this way:
Pouring gas on a fire you didnt start doesnt make you as bad as the person that started the fire, but it certainly makes you an accomplice in the destruction the fire causes.
And I beleive in MM enough to think that if she is actively and consistently challenged to meet her own standards, she will eventually step up and do the right thing, even if its far too late to undo the damage she helped to do.
And thats why I post about MM & her spin here - wake up Michelle, and come up your own standards across the board.
see, being somewhat more civil in you’re posts may work better.
When are you guys going to rally behind Mitt??? He’s the only Republican with a change to beat McCain and the dems. I believe he will be strong against illegal immigration and he will try to slow the growth of government and empower the private sector. He has more brains and executive experience then all the rest put together. He may not have been 100 per percent conservative during his whole life, but he’s the best we’re gonna get. He’s one hell of a lot better that McCain and certainly much better than Hilly or Obama. It’s time to unite or lose.
OC, what was this “Lie” you keep referring to?
OT - WOO HOO PACKERS
RE: Huckabee
Well said, Rick…very well said!
O.C., stating the facts isn’t spin. M.M. has highlighted the positions of all the candidates equally. If you were hoping that she would endorse one of the candidates, I don’t think she will or should. They all have some faults, some more than others.
But if you are trying to blame Michelle for Freds poor showing in the primaries you are barking up the wrong tree.
Ordinary Coloradan, Michelle has personal integrity, honesty and is extremely hard working. She backs up what she says and is certainly entitled to her own opinions, as are we all. I wouldn’t be here like I am if I didn’t have great respect for her and her work.
If you don’t like her, leave and let the door whallop you on the way out. Take your insults elsewhere. Michelle bashing will not be tolerated here.
Q: How is Fred deeply flawed?
A: He’s a human being.
The groupthink on this site is getting close to that of the Kos Kidz.
How about this for a rallying cry?
Go Huckabee! And take McCain with you!
not even close corona.
I agree totally
Good read over at Hot Air. “After South Carolina”.
#75 said:
On January 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, corona said:
The groupthink on this site is getting close to that of the Kos Kidz.
You are way off the mark if that’s your view of this site.
What Michelle does here is post a topic and expresses her stance on the topic.
Then guests of the site give their opinions, whether they agree or disagree. All points of view are expressed.
However, it is quite natural for like minded people to gather at a blog where other people who see things in same light as themselves.
Even trolls are allowed in as they are always good for a laugh!
Today it’s all about friends, football and food!
And way to go Blind Mule #62!
I second that. I could not have put it any better than he did.
Huckabee is the only candidate I actually fear, not just because of his shamnesty policy, but when he says things like “we should amend the constitution to God’s standards”, which would have the founders rolling in his grave. Honestly, if he becomes president, say goodbye to Westphalian democracy as we know it.
Does anyone here want New England to win? I don’t.
Go Packers!!
corona, I think you’ve already had too much Corona.
Katieanne. I’m with you
Almeehan, Right on, except I also fear Clinton and Obama because I can see both of them surrendering to our enemies. I think if either one of them win, a lot of Americans are going to die. Just my opinion.
Oops, should have been alamedaman.
Sorry Almeehan
So Huckabee lost our glorious primary here in South Carolina. Yippee! BUT - wait jest one secky - looky looky at who won! The Great American Traitor himself: John McCain!
The implications are sobering and devastating: not only are we looking at a sure loser (John McCain) on the ballot in November, but we are going to be stuck having Lindsey Graham winning another term in the Senate.
Republicans continue to prove that they are the sorry, spineless, unprincipled losers that they really are.
So great, Huckabee is gone. It’s just that what we’re left with is even worse.
The party of losers is working hard to serve up 12 more years of Democrat rule
Bruce,#87 It’s not over yet.
The end of Mike Huckabee
and the conservative congregation said..
AMEN!
On the Issues. Where they stand
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
http://www.nationalplatforms.com/
http://www.presidential-candidates-2008.org/
http://activote.ontheissues.org/AVA/
http://www.vote-usa.org/
Depending on the source - one or more may not be true.
Katieanne - as MM says, its not a “bash” to call someone on their record.
And I’m calling MM on her record on Fred Thompson. And her lack of personal accountability she demonstrates when she refuses to address her very public and damaging error.
Facts:
Did she publish a lie from Politico, along with her concurring comments and opinion?
Yes.
Did she compound the error by letting it stand and refuse to retract it, even when shown it was incorrect?
Yes.
Did she refuse to address the issue at all (stonewalling) and did she refuse to apologise for the damage her error and earlier refusal caused?
Yes and Yes.
OK. Now explain how those are the actions of someone who is concerned with accountability for personal actions that harmed someone else through an error, and how they display any sense of honesty and regard for the truth?
Those are the FACTS that cause me to call into question MM’s integrity, and paint her as a hypocrite.
Katieanne, stop being a sycophant, and address the issue:
How do you explain MM’s refusal to retract the hitpiece from politico, or apologize for her error?
Answer that one with facts. Not with more of this immaterial “I like MM stop picking on her”.
MM, all I ask is that hold yourself to the standards you expect of others.
Ordinary Coloradan said:
Did she publish a lie from Politico, along with her concurring comments and opinion?
Why don’t you enlighten those of us that may have missed the article at Politico?
Does anyone have the link to O.C.’s YouTube video where he screams “LEAVE FRED THOMPSON ALONE!!!! HE’S A HUMAN BEING!!!” over and over?
I trust that he’s spamming Politico’s forums too, calling them out for their “dishonesty” as the originator of whatever he’s whining about. I’ll bet he calls the local TV stations to complain when they report sports scores that have his team losing.
Baghdad Bob, is that you?
Ordinary Coloradian, this is what I was protesting. This is what I plainly responded to, accusing Michelle of not having integrity. I strongly disagree with you. As I stated, if you don’t like Michelle, then go somewhere else, but attacking her personally shows no class on your part, IMO.
I have no problem with disagreeing with people, even Michelle. However, it should be done in an appropriate manner and I took great offense at your insults. Surely you can state your case without going to the lengths you did.
As for whether or not Michelle responds to your comments, this is her place and she can do whatever she wants. She doesn’t owe you or anyone else an explanation, IMO. Apparently, she doesn’t feel the need to respond to your comments. That’s her right.
BTW, I plan to vote for Fred on Super Tuesday and I have taken no offense from Michelle in regards to Thompson.
I don’t think I qualify as a sycophant. I did address the issues I wanted to address. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I was just responding to your post, that’s all. In all probability, I will never personally meet Michelle. There is no reason for me to think I would personally benefit from her wealth or influence. Actually, I am doing quite fine because of the hard work of my husband and myself for 30 plus years, thank you. So, I believe you chose the wrong insult to sling at me. Back to the dictionary for you, I guess.
what’s this politico “hit piece”?
Huckabee, Romney, McCain… Whatever.
Congrats on your 30 years, I’m approaching 25 myself, lasted through several deployments and tours of duty and a lot of hardships. And my son has followed me in service and is prepping for Iraq, possibly in Balad where I was.
That being said, if you wish to continue fooling yourself, and ignoring the basic facts, cherry picking your way blithely to an ignorant position, well, feel free. Its your life and if you want to live it in delusion, you are welcome to do so and I wish you comfort.
And true enough that MM does own this blog.
However…
She tears into people for lying for political purposes (Huckabee and McCain for example, deservedly so), yet here she she is basically doing the same thing she tears into others about.
Can I not call her out on her hypocracy, in hopes that she will come around and do the right thing? And is it not important at all that someone you apparently trust has shown herself to be capable of utterly callous behavior towards issues of integrity, and the truth? Does it concern you that she is guilty of the same defects she accuses others of? And given that, then one may ask what else is MM lying about that nobody else has called her on?
Surely you can agree that posting a lie, one that HURTS someone materially, especially an anonymously sourced lie, and then failing to remedy the error - or at least apologise for it, is the mark of someone lacking integrity, someone with an ulterior motive or hidden agenda. And the question you sshould ask yourself is: Should you also be concerned about this issue with MM if you value the truth? Or just let the lies lay… Me, I challenge.
An honest person does not put false information out and then let it stand if they have the means to correct it.
One must have the integrity and respect for the truth to go back and correct it, and one must have the basic courage to admit and apologize for one’s mistake (i.e. “take your lumps”). I know this from what Ive been taught and value - letting a material damaging lie stand is a huge mark against a person’s integrity, and compounding it by furthering the lie, and then failing to correct one’s own actions regarding the lie makes it even worse.
As an intelligence analyst, we routinely had to point out mistakes that we had made - Military Intellience is an inexact science at best, as the public has learned since 9/11. The penultimate basis for an intel analyst, other than pure analytical skills, is the integrity to correct himself or herself, and give a good accunting of why and how the error was made, and to do so in a timely manner.
(in case you are wondering what the ultimate basis is: the ultimate is the ability to “get inside your opponents head” and think about things from their side so as to be able to preempt them.)
Truth is terribly valuable due to its scarcity in politics. And as I showed, its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of FACT that MM posted a lie and refused to remedy it.
So no matter how you try to slice it, this is a blot on Michelle Malkin as either a a hypocrite, or lacking in personal integrity in this instance. I do beleive MM has shown no propensity toward this behavior in other instances that I have seen, although my agreement with her viewpoints, especially on immigration/border, may shade me from finding her errors there. That is why her behavior on this is jarring and has me holding onto it liek a pit bull. I want to know why.
I’d stake my solid rep from my years in military service and subsequent service in the Intelligence Community on my words here. Truth is truth, and MM is guilty of furthering a lie, and is apparently lacking the integrity to do the right things regarding this issue.
I guess we agree to disagree. But the facts stand, and in their light MM is not looking very good. And I worry what else will unravel if she demonstrates this sort of lack of integrity in other areas.
And I think we all agree:
God help us if either McCain or Huckabee gain the nomination or presidency.
Hopefully this will be the last we hear of this, its been days and days and been brought up by you several times, please get over it.
Go Fred!
In it to Win it!
OC: what’s your point? And can you make it in fewer words? Seems like heavy accusations-and god only knows what you’re talking about.
I know hindsight is 20/20, but it seems if Huckabee were to have won SC, McCain would have been severely wounded going into FL. I don’t think Huckabee would have carried the momentum of a win in the same way.
If all Fred Thompson manages to do in his campaign is sink Mike Huckabee, it will all have been worth it.
Schmuckabee is and will always be a 100%, Grade A, total Fraud.
Huckabee is about as much a Conservative Rebublican, as I am a an Alien that wrote the Scientology express here with Zenu (Or who ever that freaking Alien is they claimed seeded the planet)