Message to the National Catholic Reporter
Dear National Catholic Reporter,
Last time I checked, I was American. Also, no one “cultivated” me.
Please correct the record.
Thank you.
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Hey, once you’re labeled the media has a hard time giving it up!
quel snorteur…
Cultivated… hmmm…
nah, i’ll leave that one alone
I wonder who the ‘numerous African-American’s’ are and if African-Americans get their own hyphen, why doesn’t Michelle?
Sweet goodness… Remind me not to hire that writer.
She (NCR scribe) stole the insipid PR shill thing…
Ignorant turds. They just can’t help it.
By the way, dropped the British-American title a while back, it just didn’t catch on. Proud American sounds so much better.
This is yet another example of the stupidity of journalists, if they can even be called that.
And the NRC matters how? 1st I ever heard of them, maybe the writer should crawl back in the hole she came out of
They also couch it in terms of pro-immigration and anti-immigration. If they actually said anti-illegal immigration and pro-illegal immigration would their readers have a different view? Oh, I forgot, the media are dishonest when they are moving an agenda. And they always have an agenda.
A Big F U to the National Catholic Reporter. For one, I am against ILLEGAL immigration. Immigration I’m all for. I’m sure Michelle is for Legal Immigration. That’s the problem with groups like theirs. They try to imply things to make their sorry a$$es look good. For the record, it took my wife about 9 years, thousands of dollars, time spent in classes learning about American History and English and is now a proud American. They only time she mentions her native country of Taiwan is when she’s defending Taiwan’s quest to become free from China. You have got this Catholic so ticked off at that slime hit piece. Shame on that damn rag.
If the SPLC can accuse FAIR of bigotry then “these include Asian bloggers” and “numerous African-American bloggers”..is racist.
Racism to shoot down those that they accuse of being bigots and racists…… WOW!
Michelle, you were absolutely right on to make that distinction that you are not “Asian”, you are American. However, there is another distinction that should be made: this issue is not about “immigration” as the NCR article makes it out to be, with all its babble about Korean mommy bloggers and what-not. It is about ILLEGAL immigration, ILLEGAL residency, ILLEGAL aliens, ILLEGAL invasion, the ILLEGAL breaking our nation’s federal laws. It needs to be pointed out those like you–like me, and like the many readers of your blog–are not opposed to immigration. We are opposed to those who support and condone foreigners living in the USA ILLEGALLY. I for one am sick and tired of hearing about “the immigration debate”. There is no immigration debate. Such a thing simply does not exist in this beautiful country called the United States of America. Americans bend over backwards (and always have) to accept those who come from foreign lands to seek a better, fuller and richer life. To seek happiness, peace and prosperity. To seek freedom and education. This IS, after all, the American way. We need to stop letting people claim that we “oppose immigration”. How the hell can anyone accuse Americans of opposing immigration when the United States is the single most ethnically, culturally, religiously, and racially diverse nation on the planet Earth? What nonsense are they talking about? We need to keep using that word “illegal”, keep hammering away at the supporters and practitioners of ILLEGAL immigration until they change their word use and start calling it what it really is: ILLEGAL.
And as a side note…I think we all know that the vast majority of these law-breakers coming into our country are not really here to “immigrate”. They are here to use and abuse our system…our welfare system, our medical system, our educational system, our constitutional system, our charitable system, whatever system that is in place to serve LEGAL residents of this country. They don’t care a flip about “immigration”. They just want to come and take whatever they can, with no respect or attachment to America as a nation or a culture.
But as they see it, you are a Blogican-American.
I see. All the pro-immigration bloggers get names and blogs printed. Those against illegal immigration are summarily dismissed in a single sentence.
Michelle, at least you were mentioned.
Besides, Michelle. Your ancestors hailed from a Pacific Island. Not Asia.
Michelle,
You are also NOT anti-immigration, just anti-illegal-immigration, like the rest of us.
The tone of that “story” was very immature and childish. You sure that didn’t come from a high school newspaper?
#11 John Ansell
Ditto your thoughts about this “journalist” equating illegal immigration with all immigration.
The National Catholic Reporter should stick to articles of faith, not politics. And for the record, I am the husband of a naturalized American citizen of Philippine ancestry.
A wee bit of projection there, Suzanne?
But you ARE cultured. In other words, you’re a class act Michelle.
It seems the term “journalistic integrity” is in low supply. I wish we had a publication today like “The Gentelman’s Quarterly” of eighteenth century London where dispassionate objectivity was the aim of the articles. The line between creative writing and journalism is very fuzzy these days.
Not-so-funny-thing-is…it seems most of the bigotted comments I read and hear seem to come from folks with brown skin (i.e. Farrakhan, leaders of “La Raza”, Mamoudie-Patootie over there in Afghanistan, etc.) What’s THAT all about??
The Catholic Church served in a semi-official way the Reagan Amnesty. Judging by the addressee, that paid off.
Consider: there are only 12 popes of significance since the US declared independence. They still aim at a Catholic US and Western Hemisphere. Their current method of wholesale invasion has been working.
“Last time I checked, I was American.”
Damn right.
Like my LEGAL immigrant grandparents (both sides).
You stick to your guns, Michelle.
Re #26:
Er, more accurately like my parents, the children of LEGAL immigrants.
Sorry ’bout that…wanna be accurate, y’know.
‘RE: Immigration debate goes online
By SUZANNE MANNEH’
Your blatant denial of the reality that is illegal immigration in this country, under the guise of a religious obligation is quite disturbing. Catholicism has been beaten bloody these past few years, mostly by its own hand. Your misguided support of blatant, anti-American, criminal elements, will only further alienate my once proud religion. Your semantic denial of the existence of illegal immigrants is childish at best. Please grow up, act as an adult would, and hold people responsible for their actions. I have stopped giving at the general collection, and only contribute to proper Catholic causes, as do many of my neighbors here in Florida. You are hurting your Church. Please stop.
Regards,
One Pissed Off Catholic (I added this part here)
cul·ti·vat·ed (klt-vtd)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or produced in cultivation: a cultivated plant.
2. Educated; polished; refined.
Michelle, you are NOT a cultivated plant unless you are seen asking Hillary Clinton about Global Warming, like you are supposed to. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
What, no reference to “firecracker?” And are they so low on hyphens that they can’t state it as “anti-ILLEGAL-immigration?”
Ah, but there is the rub, if you don’t support open borders then you must be the enemy hence insults are free.
I am so disgusted with these open border nitwits that I would agree to keeping 10 illegals who learn and speak English for every open border nitthat we deport or send somewhere.
For what it’s worth (probably not a whole lot) I sent my comments to Rita Larivee.
“One of the most prominent of these organizations is the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, which was recently classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.” From the linked article.
Achtung! An (un)American law firm has issued their proclamation! What does a lawyer that subverts the law while smearing legitimate citizens deserve? I hear Pakistan is lovely this time of year. The war on terrors version of the running man.
Also, New American Media… remember the Holy Land Foundation? You can learn a lot from a name. Most of the time these days when they use holy or new, it really means evil or old. Socialists have had a tough time over the last century they needed a new sctick to fool a few more sheeple.
The National Catholic Register is NOT a voice of the Catholic Church. It is a notoriously liberal rag that calls on the Church to accept gay marriage, female priests and a whole slew of other liberal positions. Do not let this liberal RAG influence your opinions of the Church.
OK who here is anti-immigration???
Hands please!!
Any one??
They Just cannot seem to get anything right?
It’s this attitude among Catholic groups that is contributes to the fact that I haven’t been to Mass regularly for more than 2 years…
Miss Ladybug:
You didn’t indicate which “Catholic groups” you were referring to. Are you referring to the Catholics commenting here who oppose illegal immigration, or the Catholics who write for NCR who appear to be quite in favor of illegal aliens breaking our federal laws? This calls for some clarification.
Yep, Americans are creating American Victimhood before people even become Americans.
The amazing thing is it’s like someone blaming a host for not wanting to give them their house and some extra money for living expenses. These ‘pro-immigrant’ organizations are only interested in how much they can steal for their government to give to people who have broken our laws to get it. . . and they call those who don’t want to be robbed ‘bigots’.
American’s have the right to be a sovereign nation. If Mexicans don’t want to recognize that right, then we shouldn’t recognize their sovereignty either and take their oil fields. It’s not about the people, it’s about how much they can get from our government (tax dollars).
Hmm, at first glance I thought the problem with the article was that it didn’t include the word “Babe” after “Asian”.
But it’s telling where the writer’s head is at when she’s careful to refer to “African-Americans, but leaves out “American” after “Asian.”
Somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion that if Michelle were pro-illegal immigration, she’d magically become an American again.
I just looked “troglodyte” and Rita’s picture was there.
Looked Up
Looked Up
I had to check the url - it felt like I was reading a press release from MoveOn or CAP or something.
I’ve seen better reporting in high school papers.
The National Catholic Reporter is obviously on a recruiting campaign for more Hispanic members….Using the reporter’s line of reasoning.
I think Rita C. needs some sensitivity training and a geography lesson. Keep up the fight Michelle.
This is why I’m against labels of any kind. By the way, our kids are German-Dutch-Cherokee-Polish-Americans.
The NC REPORTER is a liberal, Catholic-in-name-only, organization.
They’re not worth even talking about.
i swear most people must assume we raise and grow minority republicans like either a garden or something out of ‘brave new world’. They just can’t understand it and its really starting to get insulting
Catholic Press is like the MSM i many areas - liberal publications like America, Commonweal and National Catholic Reporter. Its a shame, but the National Catholic Register is drifitng left (especially on masking illegals by calling it plainol d”immigration) jus tliek Fox News.
Try Catholic News Service.
I’v dogged MM pretty hard about her slurring Fred, but the damage she and AP did is done and over, Fred’s gone (apologize now Michelle?), and despite all that MM doesnt deserve this sort of silliness.
Is this writer the same Suzanne Manneh that was the Cultural Outreach Coordinator for The Arab Cultural and Community Center (ACCC) in San Francisco back in 2006?
Michelle, didn’t you feel that “Culturally Out Reaching” skill she had?
I liked that “Firecracker” title of yours the best.
In case you missed the point NCReporter is a way liberal rag - think of the crew cut nuns throwing blood all over the missle silos, etc. THATS the sort of mindset at NCReporter.
How DARE they raise the LAW as an issue. hhmmppfffft!
And at the Local and STATE level??? Where we LIVE?
Law in our neighborhoods?
What next? Speed Limits and Traffic Lights or something?
#46: On January 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 pm, Dave from Flint said:
“This is why I’m against labels of any kind. By the way, our kids are German-Dutch-Cherokee-Polish-Americans.”
Right!
My wife and I are each 100% descended from the same Southern European country.
‘Course, after millennia - that’s millennia, not just centuries - of our forefathers’ country of origin’s being at the crossroads of Europe, Africa, and Asia, that means that we are each most likely a mixture, to some degree or another, of Greek, Italian, Egyptian, African, Jewish, German, Turkish, Arab, Scandinavian, ?Persian, ? India Indian, French, Norman, Slavic, Phoenician, and who knows what else.
I guess we’re both Americans.
Oh, and our granddaughters have Irish thrown in, as well as perhaps (I’m not 100% sure) a bit of American Indian.
Whew!
Who needs labels?
Oops…left out Celtic…Celts used to live in Asia Minor - hence, the region in present-day Turkey known as Galatia.
You mean, you don’t hold your hair up with chopsticks?
I’m shocked!
Suzanne Manneh said:
Thanks a whole lot for letting the cat out of the bag, Suzanne! Here we’ve been, secretly watering and feeding our Michelle MiracleGro in the dead of night, “cultivating” our little Asian firecracker into a beautiful shade of
unimpeachable “brown,” and now you’ve gone and ruined EVERYTHING!
Why would this reporter think Michelle is Asian? Her articles are written in english, whenever I see her on TV she is either in NY, D.C., MD, etc. She has even said where she lives and I don’t recall her house being in an Asian country.
Some people are just clueless. Maybe it’s time to go back to college and learn how to check her facts.
What ever happened to the LIBERAL principle of a color-blind society? Another case of do as I say, not as I do…notice how Ms. Rita made her argument about “immigration”, not illegal immigration,” and of course HAD to interject race as the issue…PMO!!!
For whatever reason, I can’t paste text into this field when I’m using my BlackBerry. If anyone would like some pointers, I would be happy to share the text of my email with you. When I get to a computer I can post it.
Regardless, none of you should have any problem handling this. Madame Lavirée is certainly going to get an eyeful when she opens her emails!
Careful, I know lots of Americans who do just that! It’s both practical and usually attractive.
They are sort of getting the cart before the horse. Aren’t they?
“Please correct the record.”
I’m sure the Catholic drunken sot spokesman, Mel Gibson, will get right on that.
The NCR is indeed a left wing liberal rag. Similar groups back in the 70’s ended up on the wrong side of FBI surveillance with their stance in support of Central American communism. If memory serves, the Pope jumped in with a cease and desist. Their words are not only juvenile, they are empty as well.
Fizzbee #28, well said. My email is on the way to that nitwit.
Call them a liberal rag, but I got something very similar to it from a bishop in my local Catholic diocesan newspaper. bah.
Michelle, don’t you feel “cultivated”? Obviously they don’t read these pages! Oh, and that doesn’t mean you’re not “cultivated” (adj), even if you’re not “cultivated” (verb).
I sent Michelle an email on this story
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/454983.html
If you support our immigration law’s your are taged as a bigot, when the fact is the race baiter’s are the real bigot’s and racist’s.
Whew! I got started on my e-mail and had a hard time stopping. The more I typed, the more infuriated I got about their distorted “reporting”.
I don’t know why it incited me so. It isn’t like it is the only news outlet that does that. *sigh*
ThackerAgency
A good suggestion. Turn PEMEX into a company that actually wants to compete in the world market and maybe you could turn the country around and some of these illegal scum would head home.
What else would you expect from a lefty.
I seem to recall, maybe this has already been mentioned, that there is a society, group, association, whatever of Asian Journalists who forbid anyone else outside the organization to use the term Asian Journalist or even to identify anyone as Asian. This National Catholic Reporter should have been aware of that, assuming they are as sensitive as they no doubt claim, or are they as doltish as the average white male goober (I can say that, of course, being one)?
Really an ugly little piece, with the veneer of phony objectivity that is so much a part of the nightmare of contemporary journalism. I would have expected something like this to have come out of a Unitarian Universalist publication, but it is clearly everywhere now.
Dumpling~
I was referring to the article, and that archbishop in LA, etc. I was running out the door to my part-time job and didn’t have time to read all the comments, which I am doing now
Those who are for illegal immigration, may I ask you one question? What would be the optimum population level of the United States? Would you want it as crowded as China, or India or some other third world nation? I am wondering if there is a split on the open borders crowd and the Green folks and can someone fill me in on this?
This is one PO American of Roman Catholic faith. Did the NRC ever hear of or read the Eighth Commandment: You shall not steal. Illegal immigration is stealing, when our tax money is going to feed (food stamps), educate, medical care (hospitals, etc.), and paying Social Sercurity benifits to illegal immigrants who do not pay into the system (TAXES), that is stealing. Illegal is Illegal and stealing is stealing. Most if not all Illegal Immegrants are payed off the books. They ones who are working with and have fraudulent documents (again stealing). Most likely those fraudulent documents are someone elses idenitity (again stolen). An awful lot of stealing involved in Illegal immigration.
Legal Immegration I am all for, I come from a family of immegrants. My father and my mothers parents are all immegrants. Who after time became very proud American citizens.
I’m in SE Asia as I write this. Michelle you are as American as apple pie, besides, asians don’t consume the vast quantities of cheese corn stick junk food that MM does!
Jarhead~
I agree. I work a part-time retail job at a small chain clothing store. We have non-English speaking customers come in all the time. They are either paying cash - sometimes with wads of cash that includes 100 dollar bills, or they are paying with a credit card and when I ask for photo ID they present the Matricula Consular cards, which you only need for ID if you are here illegally. These folks aren’t paying payrolls taxes…
#55 The Ugly American said:
I’ve tried that! But after about 5 minutes, I usually end up asking for a knife and fork.
The reporter for NRC should also look at Commandment number nine: You shall not bear false witness against your nieghbor. Where has Michelle ever been against legal immigration?
ENFORCE THE LAWS on the books we have already!
Any one or any publication that describes MM (and her many readers) as anti-immigration is just plain intellectually dishonest. You cannot debate with such liars.
They also speak of “immigrant rights” as if legal immmigrants were being deinied their rights. I was surprised that the word ‘illegal’ was even used in the article.
These people love to give others a hyphened name; usually as a badly hidden slap. I know I am an American, not a Celtic-American. My wife, born and raised in Asia, is American, not Asian-American. Call her that and get a correction from her with a dirty look. Illegals having rights…what a farce.
As a Catholic, it is frustrating to me how my Church, with all of its problems, continues to focus on the pro-illegal immigration movement. I nearly walked out of mass during a group prayer that sounded like DNC talking points a couple of months ago.
I am all for helping illegal immigrants who are hungry or homeless out of Christian charity with my own food and my own money at my own discretion. I would gladly put clothes on their back, I would gladly put food in their bellies, and then I would gladly call the immigration officials to haul their butts back to their country of origin. You’re not supposed to be able to break the law in this country without consequence.
So many people support a mandatory redistribution of wealth these days that you’d think our public schools were failing us by not teaching the evils of socialism! My “wealth” and that of others should only be redistributed at my discretion, not someone else’s.
My security and that of others and our nation should not be sacrificed at the altar of diversity, political correctness, and tolerance. The rule of law must not be sacrificed for anything.
Teddy Roosevelt once said:
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish-American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.
Reference: http://www.rpatrick.com/USA/americanism/
Seems to me that conservative-Americans want to drop hyphens as soon as possible and assimilate, whereas liberal-Americans want to keep the hyphens forever to maintain their victim status.. to bilk the system. Am I wrong?
In my above statement I should have left the hyphen out of “conservative American”. Sorry.
Look the only reason they love illegal immigration is that it brings more catholics in the US. You will see the same thing with Mormons.
You’re wrong, Mister P. This is a political issue that is being pursued by Catholics worldwide, not just within the U.S. Catholic leadership outside the U.S. is advocating a pro-illegal point of view. These third party individuals have no interest in supporting American Catholicism over Mexican Catholicism as a U.S. citizen would. It comes from a genuine desire to help others - but it becomes misguided when looked at through the prism of security and national sovereignty. Frankly, I wish they’d mind their own business and let us handle our own political issues.
Thanks Kevin from OH in VA - the quote from Teddy Roosevelt is awesome! I want to foreward that to everyone I know - except everyone I know agrees with him. Hmm..perhaps forward it to the politicians in DC is more appropriate? We should all write our congressmen and senators with that quote!
Has anyone written this Lavirée woman? Anyone heard back from her?
Based on everything else you say, I don’t understand why you way I am wrong. I would just have to add they want more catholics in America (to help them have a better life.) Also they have more children as American Catholics are falling down in that department
Allowing illegals in as a means to “Catholicize” America is a joke. I actually know solid, theologically sound, conservative priests who believe that Spanish-speaking “immigrants” will import Catholicism. This is a joke. A dirty joke at that. The fact is, Mexico may be considered “the most Catholic country in the world” but that is in name and culture only. How can you explain why the vast majority of young Spanish-speaking illegals come here and have babies (out of wedlock,thank you very much)? Because they are so Catholic?? Or because a baby born here will guarantee the illegal parents the right to stay here? Also, the Spanish-speaking illegals who come here are quickly seduced by various branches of evangelical Protestant churches. Statistics have already shown that conversions AWAY from Catholicism and TOWARDS evengelical Protestanism is on the rise among Spanish-speaking “immigrants”…legal and illegal. So don’t buy this crap for one minute that more Mexican equals more Catholics. And even if it were so that does NOT make it okay to break our nation’s laws.
The Pope has already spoken on this issue when he said last year that all Catholics must respect the laws of other countries. But just like with divorce, birth control and abortion, the majority of U.S. Catholics will ignore him on that, too.
Gee, I guess California ought to brace for a flood of illegal aliens from Utah.
I suggest we keep this thread English-only (I have no clue what language some of you are using)
What about all of us Irish-English-Scots-Dutch-Cherokee-Americans?
Where are our professional grievance mongers?
Who will advocate for my little part of fractured, hyphenated-America?
I wrote her last night, fourstingfuror. But, I don’t expect to hear back from her. My guess is that her inbox has been inundated with e-mails about this article.
My letter to the NCR:
For a real reality check, look at the New America Media that Manneh writes for at http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_alt_category.html?category_id=14
Nothing by pro-illegal rubbish.
flmom @ #3
Wanna bet that one of them is none other than our La Shawn Barber?
IIRC, no one cultivated her either. It’s just something that naturally goes with being an AMERICAN