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Enviro-nitwits fly to Davos, seek absolution from Al Gore

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 24, 2008 02:41 PM

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Read this on an empty stomach. It will have the effect of Ipecac on you. Gulfstream liberals always have that effect on me:

Having climate campaigner Al Gore round to your house is to open yourself to a self-flagellating guilt trip, Irish rock star Bono confessed Thursday.
Sharing a stage with the former US vice president at the annual gathering of world movers and shakers in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, the U2 frontman joked that their friendship was a source of pressure on the domestic front.

“He’s been round my house and it’s like… here’s the recycler Al, you know… I’ve got a posh car, but it runs on ethanol Al,” Bono said.

Acknowledging that a career in rock music was not always conducive to a green lifestyle, Bono compared a conversation with Gore to an act of religious contrition.

“It’s like being with an Irish priest. You start to confess your sins,” he said. “Father Al, I am not just a noise polluter, I am a noise-polluting, diesel-soaking, gulfstream-flying rock star.

“I’m going to kick the habit. I’m trying father Al, but oil has been very good for me — those convoys of articulated lorries, petrochemical products, hair gel.”

You know how all the wealthy elites who’ve jetted to Davos are going to “offset” their carbon footprint? By chipping in to pay for solar cookers to be sent to China. Seriously:

Andre Schneider, chief operating officer of the Geneva-based WEF, said the five-day meeting produces about 7,500 U.S. tons (6,800 metric tons) of carbon emissions, which are widely regarded as being a main cause of global warming. The figure equates to the amount released over a whole year by 1,250 passenger cars or 900 homes.

The 38-year-old Forum is trying to shrink its carbon footprint this time around by offering free transport from the Zurich airport in one of 94 Audi A8s — including 12 equipped with heavy armor — that run on low-emission biodiesel fuel.

Some 150 participants are expected to use the service.

But many of the 2,500 politicians and business leaders attending the summit will make their way to Davos by more traditional — and dirtier — means of transportation.

The Zurich airport expects about 900 additional landings and takeoffs during the event, while Davos is preparing for a daily influx of 20 helicopters. There are also separate plans for the transport of state guests, which will include U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Forum spokesman Matthias Luefkens said up to 70 percent of emissions caused by the Forum will be offset through a program that will send 17,000 solar cookers to northwest China’s Shanxi province, an impoverished region that has suffered extensive desertification and water and soil loss.

The voluntary program urges participants to pay $28 for each ton of CO2 released into the atmosphere during their flights. That equates to a $25 donation for a businessman or politician arriving from London; $62 from Moscow; and $168 from New York.

Luefkens said the Forum already has paid the emissions costs for all its staff, who were proudly wearing “I am offset” pins as they greeted arrivals on Tuesday.

Al Gore, forgiver of eco-sins, gives his blessing.

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  1. #1
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, miker said:

    OK I think my head just exploded reading this article! Thanks Michelle! :-(

  2. #2
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, blues said:

    The B.S. and hypocracy just keeps getting deeper.How high’s the B.S. Mama?Four feet high and risin’.

  3. #3
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, ezupirate75 said:

    Gag me with a soup spoon

  4. #4
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, Boomer said:

    All hail the omnipotent Goracle, bow down to the overlord of all that is green while handing over your green to absolve your carbon sins.

    I can’t believe the people eating up this crap. P.T. Barnum was right!

  5. #5
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, blues said:

    Words of advice to Bono:Man-up,grow a pair,quit being a hypcrite and you won’t have anything to feel guilty about,or to confess to.You don’t have to be right,just honest.Moron.

  6. #6
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, Dave from Flint said:

    It’s only 16F outside right now, but I’m heading out the door the second I finish this post to dump 20 pounds of charcoal in my grill, soak it with 2 quarts of lighter fluid & toss in a match. All for you, Al.

  7. #7
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Armigerous said:

    Gag me with the proverbial spoon….anAL GOREtentive is quickly approaching the status of a fictional character in a very badly written sci fi novel

  8. #8
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, madchef said:

    Did ManBearPig attend the meeting? I have heard rumors that he would speak at the event this year.

  9. #9
    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, procopy said:

    The logic here baffles me. Maybe we should get murderers to offset their murders by making them have children?

  10. #10
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, DesertLover said:

    Soon we will all be living back in caves and running around naked …

    you won’t be able to afford to live with all the taxes and carbon offset penalties you will be paying …

    your home will be taken away if it doesn’t meet their “green” standards” …

    you won’t be able to find enough to eat because it will all be used to make “bio-fuels” …

    can’t have a vehicle unless it meets their enviro-wacko emissions standards …

    won’t be any shops to buy clothes, etc. …

    can’t hunt or fish for food (PETA will stop that) …

    can’t cut down trees to build shelter (tree-huggers will stop that) …

    these people want to continue to live their lifestyles of the rich and famous while they make sure the rest of the world lives in abject poverty …

    they are elitist “scum bags” and they need to be stopped … now … not later …

  11. #11
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, taylork said:

    What’s really snort worthy is that he told everyone in Davos that we’ll al be screwed in 5 years.

    Maybe this means in 5 years he’ll finally be discredited by the MSM.

  12. #12
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    Um, maybe they should just send them some food and water instead.

    I’m not up on these newfangled gadgets. What is a solar cooker?

  13. #13
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, see-dubya said:

    I AM OFFSET!

    Priceless. Can I get one of those?

  14. #14
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, JohnHolliday said:

    ..the five-day meeting produces about 7,500 U.S. tons of carbon emissions, which are widely regarded as being a main cause of global warming.

    But not scientifically accepted.

    But many of the 2,500 politicians and business leaders attending the summit will make their way to Davos by more traditional - and dirtier - means of transportation.

    So, this means when they’re in the home country, they drive around (or are driven around) in cars that run on leaded gas and get 1 gallon to the mile.

    Luefkens said the Forum already has paid the emissions costs for all its staff, who were proudly wearing “I am offset” pins…

    These are similar to the “WIN” (Whip Inflation Now) buttons championed by President Ford in the mid-70s. They have the same effect, too.

    Typical socialists. Look good for the cameras and say it’s the fault of the people because of their evil, wicked, ways. Like, wanting to live in a free society without the shackles of socialism, a-la AGore and his enviro-retards.

  15. #15
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, Joshua P. Allem said:

    They don’t call him the Goracle for nothing.

  16. #16
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, allrsn said:

    Solar cookers cook with heat from the sun. If its cloudy you go hungry.

  17. #17
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, handyandy said:

    Environmentalists today are yesterdays communists.But don’t blame Al Gore. He had a great teacher. His father.
    Go to google and search “Senator Albert Gore Sr. lobbyist”
    Click on ” Smoke, Mirrors, and Armand Hammer-Al Gore and links”.
    Scroll half way down and read about the real Al Gore Sr.
    Jr.is just like Sr. A self serving SOB who puts his own rewards and pleasures above everyday Americans.
    As I said yesterdays communists are todays environmentalists. Trying to hurt America in any way they can.I hope he chokes on a green salad.

  18. #18
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, Barry F. said:

    I’m not up on these newfangled gadgets. What is a solar cooker?

    I dunno. Sun tea? ;-)

  19. #19
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, ACHefty said:

    Must be nice getting paid handsomely to tell others how to live their lives without lifting a finger to help — unless that “help” is by selling penance (offsets, whatever) through your outstretched hand.

    Racketeering if there ever was a case.

  20. #20
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, allrsn said:

    On January 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, procopy said:

    How can you say you do not understand their logic and instantly make a clear example of their logic?

  21. #21
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, procopy said:

    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, allrsn said:
    How can you say you do not understand their logic and instantly make a clear example of their logic?

    Well, a life for a life actually DOES make convoluted logic. But inhabiting the earth with the offspring of someone who would actually commit murder doesn’t make much sense as far as they would be likely (or at least more likely than the general public) to be deficient in the “conscience” department. It makes almost as much sense as supplying solar cookers to northwest China because I flew on a jet plane.

  22. #22
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, blues said:

    Hey DesrtLover,look at the bright side.When all that happens(and I’m sure it will if Gore has his way),we will qualify to join the half-human jihadists.sarc off.

  23. #23
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, jsr said:

    Why are these conferences always in the most expensive, exclusive settings in the world? How about having one in Michigan so they can see what happens when an industrial econmoy is destroyed? If they actually gave a damn about saving energy they could teleconference, like we little people are advised to do. More sanctimonious resolutions, recommendations and tons of carbon dioxide will be the only output of this boondoggle. And this new royalty thinks jet-setting to Davos is compensated by giving the dirt-poor Chinese peasants solar cookers so they can remain dirt poor instead of improving their standard of living? Where is the outrage?

  24. #24
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, taylork said:

    I wonder if the took into account the carbon footprint associated with making all those solar cookers?

  25. #25
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, madchef said:

    Perhaps those of us who pay taxes can get offsets from those who don’t!

  26. #26
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, right_on said:

    …an impoverished region that has suffered extensive desertification…

    They’re sending 17,000 solar cookers to an area that has been deserted? And…

    How are they being delivered? How are they being distributed? How are the deliveries being verified? What is the carbon rate of delivery? How long will it take to make an impact? Will the Chinese recipients actually use them? If not, is this venture just wasted energy? Since they have suffered the loss of soil, and water, just what, exactly, do they plan to put on the solar cookers? There is no water to grow plants, sustain animals, much less human life. If there is no water, that eliminates boiling water for tea.

    Uh, I don’t get it…I must be a heartless, compassionless, capitalist pig.

  27. #27
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, jsr said:

    Uh, I don’t get it…I must be a heartless, compassionless, capitalist pig

    right_on:

    You can absolve yourself by sending some low-flush toilets to those peasants

  28. #28
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Cadman said:

    I would say the same thing if I could make millions off of it, I just don’t know if I could say it without smirking.

    Hell, once the world starts cooling back off, I bet he’ll take credit for it, saying it was because of the sacrifices he told us to make.

  29. #29
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, DesertLover said:

    blues

    I hear ya … the only other possible positive is …

    if there are still airplanes flying …

    and if I can still afford to get on one …

    since we will all be traveling naked maybe we will do away with the personal checks from the TSA … :lol:

    /sarc off/

  30. #30
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, taylork said:

    Hmm, according to a study on soloar cooker use in Lesotho (”Dissemination of Solar Ovens in Lesotho: Problems and Lessons.”) the people who received the cookers didn’t even use them. Apparently since they were already using fire to heat there homes, they used the same fire to cook with, making the solar cookers useless.

    So I guess you can be carbon neutral with your cooking, but chances are you’ll freeze to death then.

  31. #31
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, right_on said:

    You can absolve yourself by sending some low-flush toilets to those peasants

    Heh, heh, heh…low-flush…they don’t use toilets. Like Gore, they recycle their s**t, and use the product to fertilize…and yes, like Gore, they don’t think their s**t stinks.

  32. #32
    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I’ve got a posh car, but it runs on ethanol Al,” Bono said.

    Yes. The enviro-nuts are lowering the carbon footprint of the poorer nations of the world that have been priced right out of the food market thanks to ethanol mandates. The people who starve to death will do so to save the planet! How noble!

    I read that Philip Pullman, author of the atheistic Golden Compass, said everyone should have an annual carbon limit, if they use it by October, then they should freeze to death.

    Who’s supposed to be the compassionate, tolerate and loving group again?

  33. #33
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, ajmontana said:

    this whole global warming BS is just like that movie ‘wag the dog’ hollyweird created and now the myth lives and breaths like another hollyweird movie ‘the blob’

  34. #34
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, Chard402003 said:

    If they really believe this fairy taie about global warning, why don’t they have a teleconfernce instead of flying, and still buy the fake carbon offsets?

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  35. #35
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, CarpiJugulum said:

    I want to know why it is when these S.O.B.’s do theri little offsetting. It always goes to some forign country. Hey how about America first.

    Good ol Father Al should know that in his home state of Tenn. and in West Virginia. Some of the lowest poverty levels exist. Why not help them out a little bit. Or would that distract from silk pony and his absurd bid for the Presidential candicy?

    These green first blow hards have no clue as to what being green really is. The reason is that they have more money then the average hard working American does. So they jet around or drive their SUV’s and pretend to care.

  36. #36
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    Ya know, these people may be onto something after all. Since we are carbon based life forms they could all disappear if they keep getting more and more carbon offset. You go Bonooooooooooooo!

  37. #37
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, graysonret said:

    The Church of Global Warming. High Priest Al Gore. Finally, the agnostics and atheists have found a religion. They even have indulgences. Pay carbon credits for your “sins” and receive absolution from Gore’s disciples. I only wish there was an actually place to worship Gore, so I could bang more than “95 theses” on his door. Maybe leave an SUV with bad valves/rings, with the engine running.

  38. #38
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, redbug70 said:

    We had a low temperature of 12 degrees the other day here in the mid-south. It was because we had an Arctic blast of cold air (it is after all January). I presume the blast came from the North Pole where the ice is supposedly melting and Polar Bears are supposedly dying. Hmmmm.

  39. #39
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, Scott_T said:

    So is it a sign that I read this article, and I was listening to Don Mclean’s “Your Cheatin Heart” on my Yahoo!Music station that came up randomly?

    Just askin…..

  40. #40
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, Chard402003 said:

    If they really believe this fairy taie about global warning, why don’t they have a teleconfernce instead of flying, and still buy the fake carbon offsets?

    I’ll let you in on a little secret, Chard:

    All this prattle about “global warming” is really an excuse to give people like Gore control over you.

    He’s still sore from losing the Presidency in 2000, so he’s decided to found a pseudo-religion around global warming, proclaim himself the messiah, and control the peons who didn’t vote for him nearly eight years ago.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The only celebrity who walks the talk on this to my satisfaction is Ed Beagley, Jr.

    The rest - with their jets, their mansions, their limos, their designer clothes - won’t give up their luxurious lives but they *will* force us to live in eco-friendly communes, without running water or electricity, only locally-grown foods (and no meat, since animal flatulence causes global warming, too), and “green” clothing so they can sleep better under the foolish assumption their totalitarian policies are actually *doing* something.

    It’s important to remember eco-nuts like this are the same ones who moved to ban DDT because it harmed the birds, and in the subsequent decades droves of children - mostly in Africa - have died from malaria and other diseases carried by the mosquitos the DDT so effectively destroyed.

    Which begs the question: do eco-nuts really care about any human being other than themselves? Or do they care about the environment more - humanity be damned? I think it’s leaning fast toward the latter.

  41. #41
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:42 pm, scubadawg said:

    I believe water vapor is actually the main gas contributing to warming. I guess we should get rid of all the water vapor. Here is a link to the best collection of material I have found to combat the Gore followers.
    http://schnittshow.970wfla.com/globalwarming.html

  42. #42
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, MTNEER said:

    Can I get a pin that says “I am offsetting AlGores stupidity.”?

  43. #43
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, d1carter said:

    That picture is priceless…Looks like a cross between Tom Cruise and the Goracle…they are in the same business ya
    know.

  44. #44
    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, fred5676 said:

    I guess none of these people smarter than me have ever heard of the excellent Swiss train service from Zurich to Davos? I have used it several times myself. Really amazing how little carbon it produces.

  45. #45
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, TexasTiger said:

    Sharing a stage with the former US vice president at the annual gathering of world movers and shakers in the Swiss ski resort of Davos…

    Bono then looked on in horror as Algore took a try at stage diving. His first attempt created a 20-foot deep crater and wiped out the entire orchestra pit.

  46. #46
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, MTNEER said:
    Can I get a pin that says “I am offsetting AlGores stupidity.”?

    :hands MTNEER his pin

    Wear it proudly!

  47. #47
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, traveler49 said:

    On January 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Cadman said:
    Hell, once the world starts cooling back off, I bet he’ll take credit for it, saying it was because of the sacrifices he told us to make.

    He is already doing that. They are now calling it “climate change”. That way they can tax you going up or down and lay the guilt trip on you no matter what the weather is doing. They had to start calling it “climate change” because there is too much evidence against the warming thing and they know their congregation will swallow just about anything when it comes to saving Mother Earth.

    They are pathetic.

  48. #48
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, traveler49 said:

    I want a pin that says “I am NOT offset”.

  49. #49
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:41 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    That was mean, here I’ll fix it for you.

    handyandy said:
    As I said yesterdays communists are todays environmentalists. Trying to hurt America in any way they can.I hope if he chokes on a green salad.

    no one know’s the hiemlich maneuver :)

  50. #50
    On January 24th, 2008 at 5:49 pm, graysonret said:

    I wonder how Gore and his “blessed” followers would react if we had another Krakatua erupt…or, even better, Mt. Tambora? I imagine seeing them, all together, singing “Kumbaya”, planting trees in a frenzy and swaying back and forth, asking forgiveness from a sand flea in California.

  51. #51
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, Bigurn said:

    Michelle,

    I understand the crux of your article, but believe you are missing some key scientific information alluded to in the comments.

    Water vapor, not carbon dioxide, is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas. To make a dent in temperature change requires reducing the water supply. That will probably be a problem for anybody who needs water.

    Carbon offsets can only work if they reduce the exact same amount of carbon dioxide emitted in all these flights. Solar cookers only sound like a good idea. First, you need sun. China is hilly after the first 50 miles inland. Also, it makes midnight snacks a little tough. Lastly and most importantly, cooking takes flippin’ forever! You should try them. I did. We tried to give them to poor rural Mexican who spent hours scrounging for firewood. Guess what? The hours spent scrounging for firewood took less time than cooking daily with a solar heater - in Mexico - near the equator - in full sun. China might not be the best place for them.

    Obviously, I’m preaching to the choir, but we must remember the farcically stupid arguments being made by these guys. We need to smack these people across the nose with the rolled up newspaper of intelligence. Every chance we get!

    OK, off my soapbox for now.

  52. #52
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, petergwynne75 said:

    Bono to Gore:

    Live Earth was the opposite of Live Aid.

    More Ice = Less Food

    A warmer planet means longer growing seasons.

    Green is the New Red.

  53. #53
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:17 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    This kind of perverted elitism would make Caligula proud.

    And speaking of false Gods, this genuflecting at the Idol that to them is Gore, shows what happens when secularism takes hold.

    Bono, incidentally, is doing what many ultra-wealthy corporation executives do: after being surrounded by yes-men all day, they go to a dominatrix who takes charge of them for awhile. I wonder how Gore would look in a green leather leotard with a feathery cat mask and stiletto heels? Gore’s cadence sometimes makes me think that that’s where his life would be in an alternate reality.

  54. #54
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:18 pm, zorro said:

    As a Boy Scout way back when, we built all sorts of solar powered items including a solar oven. I suggest buying an old book, “Fun with the Sun”. Good stuff.

    As for those phonys at Davos, will they, themselves, use solar cookers at their banquests? On their movie sets? Back stage with all the groupies? Forgive me, but those people are a bunch of mental masturbaters.

  55. #55
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, right_on said:

    I think some people have forgotten, or didn’t know, that carbon dioxide is actually a plant fertilizer. All living plants need it to grow, and reproduce.

    I have a planted aquarium, and in order for my plants to thrive, I must add CO2. As a result, the plants grow, and release oxygen back into the water for the fish and invertibrates.

    You can tell very easily if the CO2 saturation is getting too high, because the plants start to “melt” basically, and the fish start gasping for oxygen.

    This is the main reason I have not boought into the global warming fantasy from day one. Oh, yeah, the number one reason my aquarium heats up is because of my “compact florescent” aquarium lighting, you know, my aquarium’s sun!

  56. #56
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, graysonret said:

    Zorro, I remember, as a boy scout, baking biscuits using a solar oven once. Thanks for a forgotten memory. :)

  57. #57
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:29 pm, right_on said:


    I wonder how Gore would look in a green leather leotard with a feathery cat mask and stiletto heels?

    E-e-w-w!!! Dude, you are sick! Now I can’t get that image out of my mind! Al all by his lonesome is bad enough…man, time to purge.

  58. #58
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:52 pm, Jacob Hammond said:

    The global warming prayer

    Our Father, who art in Tennessee,
    Gore be thy name.
    Thy Kingdom come,
    thy will be forced,
    on earth as it is in Kyoto
    Give us this day our daily tofu.
    And forgive us our emissions,
    as we condemn those who pollute against us.
    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from Bush.
    For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen

  59. #59
    On January 24th, 2008 at 6:59 pm, JohnnyNJ said:

    Next year they should move this event to Woodstock, NY, order up some rain, mud and great bands…..Then we’d have something worth writing about. I’d bet that Billy Jeff would be there.

    On another note; can someone please poke Algore with a hat pin and deflate him.

  60. #60
    On January 24th, 2008 at 7:04 pm, Yashmak said:

    In California, the stretch of freeway known as “The Grapevine” near Los Angeles has been shut down due to abnormally deep snow. That’s right. Closed due to snow.

    Alert Al Gore. He’d probably say “This is exactly the sort of freak weather I suggested would occur as the result of global warming.”

    Meh.

  61. #61
    On January 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pm, JohnnyNJ said:

    Hey Handy Andy….

    I don’t think Algore has seen a green salad in a long time, unless maybe it had a bottle of Russian Dressing on it.

    From the looks of Al, my guess would be mostly Double Cheesburgers & Fries.

  62. #62
    On January 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm, handyandy said:

    Hey JohnnyNJ…

    Good point!
    I’m sure Gores daily caloric intake could feed at least 25 starving tree huggers a day.

  63. #63
    On January 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Father Hypocrite Al, I am not you are just a noise polluter, I am a noise-polluting, diesel-soaking, gulfstream-flying wannabe rock star.

  64. #64
    On January 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am, greenLibertarian said:

    As an enlightened, common-sense environmentalist, I resent people like Al Gore that diminish the cause of protecting our life support system - the environment.

    But believing that he and his cohorts invalidate the issue makes you people the nitwits. I know this is probably useless, never argue with people that ‘know’ they are right, but if even one person thinks about the issue objectively for a moment then reading all of the eco-abuse here will have been worthwhile.

    Consider one item: Earth is an open-air spaceship. The atmosphere sustains our lives with oxygen, which only plant life produces significant amounts of, and is the only thing between us and vacuum. Is it really worth the risk to alter it needlessly by destroying trees, discharging enormous amounts of gasses into it that also alter its composition, etc.?

  65. #65
    On January 25th, 2008 at 1:58 am, traveler49 said:

    Greenlibrarian, maybe you should pull some books off the shelf and do a little reading instead of politicking.

    Here’s the thing and I’ll speak really slow so you can follow it. Plants use CO2 and give off O2. You nitwit. Compare this true fact to what you stated above and go slap yourself for me.

  66. #66
    On January 25th, 2008 at 2:09 am, traveler49 said:

    OK, I’m really pissed by your condescending attitude. You are NOT enlightened and you have no common sense when it comes to the environment. You are a fool. You, being a librarian should know how to do proper research and yet you have drank the Al Gore cool-aid and are probably spewing it out to our children. Did I say you are a fool? Because if I haven’t yet, let me say it again. You Greenlibrarian are a FOOL.

  67. #67
    On January 25th, 2008 at 6:17 am, TexasTiger said:

    On January 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am, greenLibertarian said:

    Is it really worth the risk to alter it needlessly by destroying trees, discharging enormous amounts of gasses into it that also alter its composition, etc.?

    Q: Is it really worth the risk to alter it
    A: Risk is a component of every activity man undertakes. When these activities include feeding, sheltering and clothing the human race, it’s not unreasonable to accept risk.

    Q: needlessly by destroying trees,
    A: Who is needlessly destroying trees? The homebuilders who shelter humanity? The farmers who feed humanity? The last I heard, lumberjacking was an occupation, not a recreational sport.

    Q: discharging enormous amounts of gasses into it that also alter its composition
    A: Every form of life on Earth–and the Earth itself–emits gases that alter the composition of the atmosphere. That’s kind of how we’re built. Try as I might, I can only emit CO2; plants can only emit O2. If I’m wrong, please identify for me any life form, terrestrial or human activity that emits gases in a ratio that corresponds with the Earth’s atmosphere.

  68. #68
    On January 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am, misterbee241 said:

    Solar cookers:

  69. #69
    On January 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am, Yashmak said:

    Here’s the thing and I’ll speak really slow so you can follow it. Plants use CO2 and give off O2. You nitwit. Compare this true fact to what you stated above and go slap yourself for me.

    -traveler49

    If you’re referring to post GreenLibertarian wrote immediately prior (#64), he or she didn’t write that plants don’t use CO2, or give off O2. . .so I really don’t know what you’re name calling for. I think maybe it’s you who should do some reading. . .of the posts you’re responding to. When you sling mud, you often get it on yourself.

  70. #70
    On January 25th, 2008 at 10:28 am, Arnold said:

    EnglishQueen01 (Comment #40) said:

    no meat, since animal flatulence causes global warming

    That sounds like a good excuse for a few hamburgers - the more animals we kill and eat the fewer there are to cause global warming!

  71. #71
    On January 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, traveler49 said:

    On January 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am, Yashmak said: If you’re referring to post GreenLibertarian wrote immediately prior (#64), he or she didn’t write that plants don’t use CO2, or give off O2. . .so I really don’t know what you’re name calling for. I think maybe it’s you who should do some reading. . .of the posts you’re responding to. When you sling mud, you often get it on yourself.

    On January 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am, greenLibertarian said:
    Is it really worth the risk to alter it needlessly by destroying trees, discharging enormous amounts of gasses into it that also alter its composition, etc.?

    Yes I’m referring to the post above. This blog thread is discussing Al Gore and absolution. That means CARBON CREDITS. Carbon = CO2. CO2 helps plants grow. What other enormous amount of gasses are we emitting that we are discussing here for that matter not discussing. I said Greenlibrarian instead of libertarian, probably because I was seeing red but the condescension just put me over the top.

  72. #72
    On January 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, traveler49 said:

    On January 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am, greenLibertarian said:

    But believing that he and his cohorts invalidate the issue makes you people the nitwits. I know this is probably useless, never argue with people that ‘know’ they are right, but if even one person thinks about the issue objectively for a moment then reading all of the eco-abuse here will have been worthwhile.

    Yashmack, I find it curious how you call me out for “mud slinging” but somehow ignore Greenlibertarian. That is OK, as a conservative I am used to being held to a higher standard.

  73. #73
    On January 25th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, SHoward said:

    greenLibertarian, what you say sounds reasonable, but for the facts coming out refuting the idea that CO2 emissions are causing any actual climate change.

    Yes, I know Gore spoke of retreating arctic ice in his speech, but he failed, as usual, to mention the thickening antarctic ice. Also, global temp averages aren’t taking off like the hockey stick chart that was originally used to justify the hysteria.

    So, you see, with all the scientists that are finally gaining the backbone necessary to stand up to the elitists like Gore, we see that their alarming predictions are more the stuff of science fiction rather than science fact.

    What this means about your “reasonable” position is that if something is ineffective or inaccurate, there is nothing reasonable about it.

  74. #74
    On January 25th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Yashmak said:

    traveler49

    I said Greenlibrarian instead of libertarian, probably because I was seeing red but the condescension just put me over the top.

    If it’s any help, I almost typed GreenLibrarian too.

    I thought you had misread GL’s post as saying that plants produced CO2 and used O2. I didn’t realize you were holding his/her feet to the fire on a different point. I don’t think what GL said merited being called a fool. GL does have a point that if we are (and we apparently are) producing more CO2 than the plant life on the planet can process. . .well, then there is indeed a problem.

    Not an as-Gore-would-have-us-believe sensationalist problem, but a problem nonetheless.

    And keep in mind, GL didn’t call you a fool or nitwit. You were the one name-calling. It’s not helpful.

  75. #75
    On January 25th, 2008 at 6:40 pm, traveler49 said:

    I interpret it as greenL was referring to the folks reading this blog thread and basically blasting Gore as NITWITS. That would include me and mine. Regardless of that, you still ignore GreenL’s calling someone a Nitwit. Shouldn’t the same lecture apply? Again, I’m used to the double standard.

  76. #76
    On January 25th, 2008 at 10:20 pm, DaveC said:

    My favorite joke about Bono..

    it’s close enough it could be true..

    during a concert, he asked for complete silence and the slowly started to clap his hands.

    “Every time I clap my hands, a child dies in Africa.”

    someone in the crowd shouts out, “Well f@#$ing stop clapping then.”

  77. #77
    On January 26th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    enlightened, common-sense environmentalist

    An oxymoronic phrase, if ever I heard one.

    Earth is an open-air spaceship

    You must be a Kucinich supporter.

    alter it needlessly by destroying trees

    Who decides which sort of “destruction” is needless? You?

    But believing that he and his cohorts invalidate the issue

    I believe that a lack of scientific evidence and a concerted effort to stifle opposition invalidates the issue. Any enlighted, common-sense person would agree.

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