I’ll be online during the debate if you want to help me push back some of the cry baby antics certain to happen this evening.

NBF,

I don;t know what to say except that by word and promised deed not only are you not a conservative or a patriot, I’d quuestion some of your more fundemental characteristics.

All anyone is going to get from you is an attempt to hide your hopless, fatalistic cowardice with a facade of iron-willed pragmatism.

The primaries aren’t done and you’re off the hook with absurdly melodramatic hyperbole about 2 broken arms and machine guns all around and the rest. The problem for you is not that you see things clearly, the problem is you seem to magnify your challenges out of all reasonable prespective. Apparently in your POV ants become magnified to fearsome monsterous giants, their mandibles stretching as far to the left and right as you can see.

if you want to stay home and be a pathetic, unpatriotic loser and stew in your endless rivers of nevgativity, by my guest.

But you’;re no conservative for giving up so early in the fight. there’s no reasonable differing opinion on that. Conservatives don’t quit when they should be able to prepare a victory. Will it be a perfect victory? no. By today’s idealistic standards of the sort you aspouse, even reagan, with amnesty, taxes raised in California and a broken marriage would never have come up to your lofty standard.

So go sit it out, loser. The remaining 99.9 percent of us will be thinking of you when we’re toasting our imperfect victory in November.

because a real conservative, no matter how ideologically driven, would never admit defeat before the war is even fought.

So if I’m in fight against 40 thugs armed with automatic weapons, and I have 2 broken legs and am armed with a banana, I shouldn’t admit defeat?

Sorry, that wouldn’t make me a conservative, that’d make me a fool or insane. And such head-burying doesn’t help make good decisions.

From The Corner…….
More Multiculturalism [Mark Krikorian]

Actually, this is more like transnationalism. A reader alerted me to the fact that McCain’s “Hispanic Outreach Director” is the same guy who held that job for Mexico’s President Vicente Fox! U.S.-born dual citizen Juan Hernandez was in Fox’s cabinet as Director of the Office for Mexicans Living Abroad and is notorious for having said of Mexican Americans on Nightline on June 7, 2001, “I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think ‘Mexico first.’” Does McCain agree with this? Has he offered Hernandez, a former high-level foreign government official who presumably swore an oath to uphold the Mexican constitution, a place in a future McCain Administration? That’s not a rhetorical question.

On January 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, NBF said:
We are GOING to lose for the reasons I stated earlier. That’s reality. You have to decide the best path to take from there.

This cynical fatalism, if embraced by our founding fathers, would have kept us under British rule. This cynical fatalism would have caused us to lose WWII. Reagan would have given in to the USSR, and the terrorists would be bombing our cities every night while we hid under our couches. No thanks. The very premise upon which you’ve built your arguement is fatally flawed, and fatal may be appropos if your kind of thinking puts Hillary in the White House. When I hear guys like you I instantly think “liberal shill trying to demoralize the conservative base” because a real conservative, no matter how ideologically driven, would never admit defeat before the war is even fought.

The time for “messages” is over. The battle lines are nearly drawn and the war has commenced. Suck it in and deal with it, soldier.

#34On January 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, coffee said:
#27. McCain is going to appeal to some of those lefty-left. He even appeals to Mother Jones for cripes sake.

Okay, try to understand this: his only “appeal” is as a loser to Hillary. The dems will never vote for him. The “support” they show is a sham. How many times do you need to live this this trick in election cycles before it becomes clear?! The thing to do is tell everyone what the trick is – educate everyone you know – that’s the best way to avoid a McCain nomination.

…and whether you like it or not, some conservatives will stay home if McCain is the nominee.

They are feckless, unpatriotic losers, and should be told so at every opportunity in an effort to get them off their hissy-fit asses and out to do their duty for their country. I have no doubt you’ll do your part by telling everyone who know who’s determined to sit out 08 over an ideological temper tantrum that they are as UnAmerican as the Taliban – literally. All this analysis and talk of messages and theorizing is water under the bridge. The time for that is over. Aacademically it’s simple, so get into the required mode from this day forward: get out the vote. Period.

Thus the dilemma of which is more: the conservatives that stay home or the Dems that McCain will pull.

If McCain pulls 1% of Dems it will be a miracle, especially after the MSM is done destroying him after he gets the nomination after they got through praising him in hopes he did get the nomination. They make fawning noises now because they believe he will lose to Hillary and they want him to. It isn’t complicated. Clear? Don’t be a dope and fall of it again.

Don’t forget that a candidate that loses a vote to staying home only loses one vote, but a candidate that pulls a vote from the other side gains a vote and takes one away from the other side.

Statistically dead wrong. Staying home is a de facto vote for the other side, so the only thing that’s different is the actual numbers and a slight shift in the percentages, but the percentages for all practical purposes remain the same. A stay-at-home for McCain ensures a Hillary victory. The hope though, is that Hillary is polarizing enough that many dems will stay hope, especially the centerists, which is why it’s critical that ever Republican turn out and vote for whomever the Republican candidate is. 100% is unrealistic in any situation, in any part of life. Staying home is simply unacceptable to anyone who gives the slightest damn about their country. Those who don’t shouldn’t sit home and pretend they do.

#35On January 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm, Blind_Mule said:
I said ” not Hillary or Obama I’m not a Democrat voter” she then said “Oh so you vote Republican” I said “I vote conservitive” and she said “oh, so your going to vote for John McCain, I’m sorry for taking your time you sound like you’ve made up your mind, Have a good day” and hung up.

This isn’t so new but it’s still a very effective trick. Don’t in any way chalk this up to being a casual misperception on the caller’s part. I have it on good authority from one camp that the dems want McCain so bad they can taste it. This remark is a demonstration of upping the strategical stakes, and it’s clever. And dangerous , because it works – so get out the anti-McCain chatter asap (but be smart and don’t tell anyone you’ll stay home if McCain wins, because the Dems will push all the harder to try get McCain the nod).

#37On January 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, graysonret said:
Clinton wins, the democrats win. Obama wins, the democrats win. McCain wins, the democrats win.

No! (Sheesh!) Clinton wins the Dems get 100% to do anything they want. Obama wins the dems get 100% to do whatever they want. McCain wins the Dems get 50% to do whatever they want, because McCain will at least need to partially satisfy his base if he wants another 4 years and he knows it and he’ll want those 4 years.

After what our parents did to win WWII, I can’t believe some of the shallow, cynical/pessimism on this board being trotted out as realistic pragmatism. Except some of them are clearly shilling for the dems, that much is obvious.

I’m really losing respect for a lot of these right-wing talkers with their willingness to play fast and loose with the truth. I don’t care if you love shamnesty, Michael, it’s not a lie to call out McCain’s liberalism and pandering to the Treason Media.

What a couple of idiots.

The caller identified her self as gayle from the Obama campaign and told me about the primaries Feb 5, she said “have you decided who you are going to vote for” I said ” not Hillary or Obama I’m not a Democrat voter” she then said “Oh so you vote Republican” I said “I vote conservitive” and she said “oh, so your going to vote for John McCain, I’m sorry for taking your time you sound like you’ve made up your mind, Have a good day” and hung up.

Whaaaaat? the you know what, I never mentioned McCain’s name. I am not registered as an Independent I’m registered as a Republican.
Why would the Obama campaign call my house and when told I was’nt voting for him suggest a Rep. candidate? Does the Obama campaign think that we are going to have Rep. defector’s? are they trying to set up McCain as the Rep. candidate in Nov.? and why would they call me knowing that I’m a registered Rep. anyway?