Clintons try to change delegate rules; lefties outraged
It’s blue-on-blue in-fighting again over in the land of the Donkeys. Hillary Clinton posted an announcement on her campaign website today that is causing aneurysms on the Left:
1/25/2008
Statement by Senator Hillary Clinton on the Seating of Delegates at the Democratic National Convention“I hear all the time from people in Florida and Michigan that they want their voices heard in selecting the Democratic nominee.
“I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election, and so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan. I know not all of my delegates will do so and I fully respect that decision. But I hope to be President of all 50 states and U.S. territories, and that we have all 50 states represented and counted at the Democratic convention.
“I hope my fellow potential nominees will join me in this.
“I will of course be following the no-campaigning pledge that I signed, and expect others will as well.”
As Poligazette explains, Hill is trying to change the rules in the middle of the game:
Hillary Clinton is now arguing that the convention should seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida that everyone agreed shouldn’t be seated. Whether that decision was right or wrong, every Democratic candidate in the race agreed not to campaign in those states because of their (too-)early primary dates, and every major candidate but Hillary withdrew their name from the Michigan ballot. Because of her massive edge in name recognition and because no advertising or debates took place in Florida, Hillary has essentially won by default in both states. Having “won” a considerable number of delegates solely because no one else contested the races, all of a sudden she is struck by the manifest unfairness of not seating the delegates — and just in time for a) a bounce in the Florida poll for sticking up for them, and b) Obama to have no chance to contest the Florida race!
The nutroots are up in arms, pointing fingers, and complaining about Hill’s musclewoman tactics. Obama’s response is here.
Well, at least she’s still got John McCain’s heart:
Campaigning in Spartanburg, South Carolina, Friday, the former president brushed aside suggestions his wife would prove to be a divisive nominee for the Democratic Party, pointing out how she has successfully worked with Republicans in the Senate — including one of the current GOP presidential candidates.
“She and John McCain are very close,” Clinton said. “They always laugh that if they wound up being the nominees of their party, it would be the most civilized election in American history, and they’re afraid they’d put the voters to sleep because they like and respect each other.”
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ok there goes dinner….
Who needs one more reason NOT to vote for McSham?
Ack, Ack, gag!
More self-interested maneuvering by the Clintons. Spare no expense at short-changing everyone else if it means propping their “dynasty” up.
Maybe McCain will be her running mate and we can hope for Romney or someone else who although not being a true conservative, is still better than McCain pretending he’s a Republican.
The Klintons trying to stick it to their fellow democraps. Ha! They all deserve each other.
McCain is just hoping Hillary will decide to get even with Bill for the Monica Lewinsky incident, and he’ll be the meat in the sandwich. So to speak.
“put to sleep”
Hmmmm, I once put a dog to sleep… coupla cats too.
Putting voters to sleep, well that sounds a bit like the final solution to freedom.
Tell us how you really feel Bill.
Yea and now to top it all off McCain is now endorsed by the NYT winning him the well earned sobriquet ‘Pinchy’s Geezer’
Clintons don’t follow the rules. Only the little people follow the rules…
Why is the Left outraged? This is the kind of stunt they pull all the time — and in real elections (e.g. Washington State, but Washington D.C. too.) Have they called her a “Nazi” yet? We don’t want to leave that one out, just to make the experience complete.
Once again I find myself, highly reluctantly to be sure, siding with the Clintons. They can’t criticize you-know-who because of his rhymes-with-”Face.” They can’t pull a vote stunt which any other Leftist would only be too happy to do were it to benefit them. It’s just not fair.
OK, I’m enjoying this too.
No surprise … Nothing new here … Nothing to see … Just move along …
The Klingons are at it again …
Give.Me.A.Freakin’.Break
beenthere,
Nazi? Hmmmm, that is a
nationalist/socialist, no?… well she pretends to be a nationalist & well you know…
Maybe Nazi fits after all, oh my!
This election year is exhausting and it is not even February!
you know, this is actually an example of why liberals shouldn’t govern.
the left is actually right. Clinton’s out of line asking for those votes when she knew the votes, per the DNC, wouldn’t be considered.
but, this is ironically the unintended consequence of Howard “strong arm” Dean. Dean’s attempt to strong arm these states into not changing their election dates by threatening to disregard their votes at the convention, will only help republicans. not only will this piss off both sides - the Clinton camp if the votes are not counted (she will lose) or the Obama camp if the votes are counted (which, he will lose). this will only fracture the democratic party come this summer. now, Dean could back off, but then not only does he make himself look bad, but he makes the dems look weak. if he doesn’t, he’ll be charged with disenfranchising these states and possibly alienating the VERY important state of FL as well as MI.
Now if we could just get McCain to do a repeat the Dean Scream..
Is there ever a time the lefties haven’t been outraged about something?
I don’t understand the surprise. This is who the Clintons are and always have been. It’s just now that it affects the left and of course that won’t do. Wah, wah, wah.
Remember folks…
By any means necessary.
I love this stuff,:) the Hillbillary’s are at it again. What’s wrong with the DNC anyway don’t they know that Hillbillary run’s the Dimocrap’s not Howard Scream. It’s like 5 year old’s making their own rules up to candy land.
How many activist bloggers in Florida are getting wind if this seeming enbdless stream of McCain revelations?!
*Hernandez with McCain, Hernandez who is the cheshire cat of detsroying with country with illegal invaders.
*McCain who is so wanting in any knowledge about finance that when asked a simple question last night he literally said he’d have to ask his friends about it!!!!
*McCain who gets a tranfusion og hydrcholoic acid from the New York Times that just loves hiom for being “bipartisian”.
*And now Bill saying Hillary and McCain are bestest buddies.
Are the polls turning on McCain yet, does anyone know?!
A picture is worth 1000 words and there is little time to get the word out. Maybe Michelle should have a McAmnesty photoshop contest - and FAST - while there is still time for at least the messages in the images via the internet to get around to the voters in Florida by Tuesday.
I get some inside info from a couple of camps, and the posturing of the Clintons to gentllllly put McCain in place to take the fall is understandible,but these revelations - like Hernadez - about McCain are staggering.
Having disturbing visions here … mentally going back and forth between Primal Screams and Primal Cackles …. brrrrr …. sends chills up my spine …
Com’on, we know that the delegates from Michigan will be challenged. Either accept and count their votes, or deny their civic duty of voteing.
Either way this is backfireing against the screamer. It gives Billery the legal grounds to challenge an Obamma nomination. Then on the other hand, Obama can claim party rules from the DNC if Michigan is in play.
We should get the word out loud and clear between now and election time that in Michigan and Florida the Dems will not represent you because you think for your selves.
Bill is right in the fact if Hillary and John McCain are the two nominees it will be a snore fest as most people will more then likely try to over dose on sleeping pills.
However we should be ready for a very dirty campaign. All sorts of advertiseing from socalled 501 organizations who claim to be conservative hitting McCain hard on his liberal stance. Of course these groups will be funded by Sorros and directed out of the Billery offices.
I just wonder if this is a ploy to avoid the real issues of the campaign by creating a diversion that has a convenient side effect of (shameless) ingratiation with the Florida and Michigan delegates/voters who have been so capriciously left out in the cold? You know, Hillary really is the champion of the disenfranchised. She’s spent her life fighting for those who can’t fight for themselves.
/sarc off
It seems like there’s always a gotcha when the Clintons are in control of the dialogue. Or maybe I’ve just been reading too much Dick Morris analysis on them…
Heil Hillary!
Hillary “hearts” John McCain….swell…
The sad part of all this is they will get away with everything. They always have.
Hillary only “cares” when it’s convenient for her.
Just wait till these delegates votes change who the nominee is. That will be the mother of all floor fights and then court fights.
So, Bill endorses McCain.
Priceless
Let me say, McCain is an American hero. He served with honor in Vietnam as a solder and his honorable stead fast resolve as POW are something that should be commended. McCain is a great man.
My problems with McCain are purely political. I don’t trust him that he will secure the borders. I don’t trust him on judges. I don’t trust him that he will fight to keep the bush tax cuts.
To many times has McCain betrayed his party. You don’t become a Maverick by being a strong republican, you do it by opposing the very foundations of your parties support. A lot of us say were conservatives first, republicans second. We all criticize our party when we need to. McCain does not just criticize our party he actively tries to under-mind it. McCain is liberal first a so called maverick second and a republican whenever it will get him good press by bashing our party.
This is why if McCain is the republican nominee I will not vote for him. I will leave the presidential ballot unchecked but i will vote down ticket.
Another example of the stupidity and immaturity of the left.The Clinton’s have made careers out of this kind of underhanded double-crossing ;and the left didn’t know it till now?They refused to recognise or acknowledge the numerous scandals of the Clinton years,and now they are asking themselves what happened to there champions.So the Beast wants to change the rules in the middle of the game,how is this any different from the whole Democratic party’s actions during the 2000 election that Boooosh stole? With this mentality is it any wonder they can’t get anything done in Washington?Hard to hold something like this against the Clintons,when it’s the Democratic Party’s normal operating procedure.Too bad the Democratic voters are too stupid to learn from experience.Now they have an untested,inexperienced,double-talking candidate they want to elect,just so they can tell themselves how open-minded they are,with no indication of how he is going to carry out the duties of the office.Liberal logic strikes again.
Why does this so much remind me of the 2000 Presidential election travesty in Florida?
You remember, the one where after all the votes were counted, the left wanted to change the rules so that they could steal the election.
Now Hillary wants to change the rules so that she gets delegates that she doesn’t deserve.
Michigan and Florida - the “hanging chads” of 2008!
This is not sitting well in Michigan…Many of us came to this site on MI primary day and had a good conversation this very topic. I say this not as an I told you so, but as a reminder, that this was orchestrated by Granholm and imo, others high up in the DNC. It was easy to blame the Republicans for “stealing” and election in 2000, but now the tables are turned and their own party is “stealing” from them….
I am a conservative, and I don’t want to lose the WH in 08′, but I want this to be an election where everyone gets a chance to vote and have their vote count….What happened in MI was a miscarriage of justice. You had a Governor and party officials that knew what the reprocussions of moving the primary up were, yet they did it anyway. MI was told they wouldn’t get their delegates seated at the Democratic Convention, and they shouldn’t.
This is a classic Monopoly Game. Remember the guy that always tried to change the rule in the middle of the game? Everytime you give in - he/she wins!
Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
“She and John McCain are very close,” Clinton said.
I love statements like this. They serve to convince more and more people not to support McCain.
Yet one more reason to take hand sanitizer into the polling booth, should we be stuck with McCain as our nominee in the general election and we have to press the button or pull the lever in his favor. (Anyone but Hillary - even McCain!)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B1%5D.pdf
If you want to go by definition, Ok, but IMO Hero is a little strong. As my Father in Law (awarded 3 Purple Heart’s, 3 Bronze Star Medal’s and a Presidential Unit Citation) stated “Hero’s never come home”. How is it a heroic action to be shot down and captured did he save any soldier’s lives during his stay in the hanoi hilton? Or was Mr. McCain given preferential treatment because of his status as an Admiral’s son? I will admit that all of the POW’s broke and gave information to the VC but was Mr. McCain more friendly to the VC than others? I believe these are legitiment questions to be asked. Before I’m baraged, I will say that I respect all men and women that have fought or died in battle and Mr. McCain has my respect for that and that alone.
You can argue about McCains Senate record, and you should be proud of your fil’s service to his country, but don’t bring up some bs site to try and make the case that McCain was anything but heroic in Vietnam..He spent 6 years in a living hell and I will take issue with any idiot that makes this statement from your source:
There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison.
Really? They would rather have spent time in the luxury of the Hanoi Hilton rather than in the jungle? Please! That is nothing but ignorance! I suppose that Colonel Thomas Moe had what was coming to him?
Ted Sampley is an idiot that goes after any Vietnam Vet that is an elected official.
Found the cause of binge drinking in the U.S. It has to be people doing a shot every time Hillary says “I hear all the time from people…”
If Bill said it, it must be true. Right? Right?
I had been thinking that I wanted Hillary to get the nomination because she would be the easiest to beat. However, now I’m not sure that I would want her as the nominee… I don’t want to take the chance that she might win. I couldn’t stand 4 more years of the Clintons… or even 10 seconds.
I was looking at McCain’s service record not Teddy’s rehtoric and no I don’t think anyone would prefer to be tortured in the Hanoi Hilton than be in the jungle, and yes I think the question’s I raised are valid question’s, I did’nt answer the question’s that’s for you to decide, you seem intelligent enough to form your own opinion’s, I personally would have rather died fighting in the jungle.
Yes, I’m very proud of my FIL’s service record he was a great patriot and here is his whole quote ” The word hero has been basterdized, I’m not a hero, the hero’s never came home if you must call me anything call me a patriot”
I don’t think that any of the POW’s had any of the ill treatment they recieved coming to them I have great respect for what they went thru and endured. How many of us could endure the same I venture to say not many. But it is not a heroic action IMO to be shot down and captured, that to me is not a heroic action now if he saved a POW’s life in any action that he took then I might reconsider his heroism but I agree with my FIL on that point. I’m not discounting the fact that all POW’s endured great pain and suffering and they are all PATRIOT’S for doing so.
I understand your anger with Ted Sampley and me for posting the link but his service record raised some question’s in my mind.
I was thinking just the opposite, that because there is still an air of racism in this country, thank’s to the like’s of Jesse and Al that Obama would be easier to beat. But now I’m thinking it does’nt matter which one of them get’s the nomination, because I can see alot of voter’s setting out or writing in if McCain get’s the GOP nomination.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)
Burke is making a lot of sense right now.
How gloriously Clintonian of her!
beenthere said:
They do tend to rush to that lexicon, don’t they.
Blind_Mule said:
I agree. That should be an off-limits topic for us. He suffered greatly for this country. The only point we can truly argue is that that doesn’t automatically entitle him to the Presidency.
I made that statement and i agree with yours:
Exactly!
Yes that was Peejz atatement he was admonishing me for the link.
I will agree with that point. I was’nt trying to swift boat him. It bug’s me that people throw the word Hero around so much that it is going to wind up having no meaning at all.
Why is anyone surprised by Hillary..she thinks and acts like a rabid sewer rat, feeding off the good will and honest intentions of others.
ummm…Blind_Mule - please don’t use the liberal definition of “swift boat”; use the real one:
To “Swift Boat” someone means to tell the truth about them.
Lefties are outraged?
Isn’t that like saying water is wet?
eric
aka the Tygrrrr Express
My mistake, I did’nt have any coffee today, and have’nt been myself all day.
Better?
Birds of a feather and all that jazz.
“the most civilized election in American history”?The beast civilized?I don’t think so.
More like the beast with two heads, if they both won the nomination.
ty Blind_Mule
Just trying to let the libs that read this stuff know that they’re not going to tell us what our words mean!