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John McCain’s open-borders outreach director: The next DHS secretary?; Update: A “non-paid volunteer”

By Michelle Malkin • January 25, 2008 10:03 AM

Update: Hernandez is a “non-paid volunteer,” says the McCain campaign. Was he “non-paid” at the Reform Institute, too? And does McCain share his “Mexico First/” “Just A Region”/”Free Flow of People” views or not? Ask.

Update: Meet La Familia McCain.

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Dr. Juan Hernandez, McCain Hispanic outreach director: “We must not only have a free flow of goods and services, but also start working for a free flow of people.”

Last month, I received an e-mail from a concerned reader. She wrote:

“Hispanic Republicans here in Nevada had a chance to speak by conference to Sen. John McCain and many of us were appalled to learn that his National Director of Hispanic Outreach is none other that Dr. Juan Hernandez, notorious for his open borders stance. How can McCain reconcile the fact that he says he “learnt his lesson w/the American people” with choosing as his Hispanic Ntl. Dir. someone whose views and interests are so clearly anti-security and not in the interest of the American people or for that matter us legal Hispanic immigrants. Can someone question him directly on this?”

Bryan at Hot Air confirmed it. Here’s a photo he found on McCain’s daughter’s campaign website. The ethnocentrist, border obliteration activist is in tight with the top echelons of the McCain camp. McCain campaign guru Mark MacKinnon is in the foreground. Maybe sending e-mails about their future shamnesty plans with Teddy Kennedy and Lindsay Graham.

Photo credit: Copyright Heather Brand

Hernandez and I go way back. He had a bad habit of calling you “My friend” during TV debates while smoothly peddling open-borders propaganda. I cured that bad habit several years ago during a Fox News segment by pointing out that he was not, in fact, “my friend.”

He is not your friend, either.

Hernandez was a close advisor to Vicente “Welcome to North America” Fox and headed up a Mexican bureaucracy called the “Presidential Office for Mexicans Abroad.” It was designed to allow Hernandez to travel across the country, meddling with local, state, and federal immigration enforcement on behalf of millions of illegal aliens in America. He lobbied for illegal alien driver’s licenses and Mexico first, defended Mexican bus operators carrying illegal aliens to the USA, and promoted extending banking privileges to illegal aliens.

In an interview on ABC News’s Nightline, Hernandez stated bluntly that he was betting that the Mexican American population in the United States –all generations– “will think Mexico first…”I want ‘em all to think Mexico first.” Here’s the audio clip from Nightline, June 7th 2001:

And here’s Tom Tancredo recounting how Hernandez told him that Mexico and the U.S. are not two separate countries, but “just a region:”

TANCREDO: I had a great argument one time with a gentleman by the name of Juan Hernandez who was at that time the minister of that ministry that I just mentioned, the Ministry for Mexicans Living in the United States.

And I asked him that very question. What he told me the purpose of his ministry was to push people into the United States, it was to—by the way, it was also AFC work with them so that they did—he was with the community, he said. He was three days a week in the United States, four in Mexico.

By the way, he himself is a dual citizen born in Texas, university—teaching at the University of Texas and on the Vicente Fox cabinet. And he said, “I work with the community in the United States, the Mexican community because I don‘t want them essentially going native on us. We want them continually tied emotionally, linguistically, politically to Mexico, because then they‘ll continue to send money home.”

And I said to him, that does not sound like—you know, you‘re doing something that‘s actually the act of an unfriendly government.

CARLSON: Well, of course, it doesn‘t in any way serve American interests. It undermines our country in a pretty direct and direct and obvious way.

TANCREDO: Tucker, his response. Let me tell you his response.

CARLSON: Yes.

TANCREDO: At the end he goes, “Congressman,” in an incredibly condescending way. He goes, “Congressman, it‘s not two countries; it‘s just a region.”

CARLSON: That is not my view, to put it mildly.

TANCREDO: Not mine either.

Now, incredibly, Juan Hernandez is GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s Hispanic Outreach Director. He is, as my Nevada reader wrote, a sovereignty-undermining extremist who “whose views and interests are so clearly anti-security and not in the interest of the American people or for that matter us legal Hispanic immigrants.”

I repeat: Geraldo Rivera Republican John McCain has learned nothing from the shamnesty debacle.

Next stop for his friend Juan Hernandez: DHS Secretary?

***

More reax:

Mark Krikorian…”Does McCain agree with this? Has he offered Hernandez, a former high-level foreign government official who presumably swore an oath to uphold the Mexican constitution, a place in a future McCain Administration? That’s not a rhetorical question.”

Gateway Pundit: “When Senator McCain insisted that he had not changed his position on immigration in an interview after the South Carolina Republican Primary, he wasn’t kidding!”

Jake Jacobsen: “You have got to be freaking kidding me.”

Sundries Shack: “Let’s ask his Hispanic Outreach Director whether he’d work for a politician who intended on securing the borders before offering amnesty. What do you think his answer would be?”

Oh, I know too well what it would be. Hernandez would smile, lie through his teeth, and tell you he supports securing the border, just like his good friend John McCain does…

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#201

On January 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 25th, 2008 at 9:23 pm, Bhishma said:
A man is known by the company he keeps. Bush, Hernandez and McCain… says a lot, doesn’t it?

WRONG COMBO, he only goes around Bush so he can stab HIM in the BACK.

Try this one: McCain, Huckleberry the NEW friend, Hanoi John, Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Fred Thompson 2000 Presidential Campaign Manager/co-author of McCain Feingold, Howard Baker, KEATING family of The Keating Five, Hillary and Bill Clinton, ANY enemies of SOUTH VIETNAMESE on the planet, any TRULY and REALLY dishonored Vietnam vets on the planet (not “ENEMIES OF” THEM) Several key North Vietcong leadership, Lindsey Graham, Kay Baily Hutchison, Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee, Susan Coolins…

MOST NOTEABLY NOT AMONG HIS FRIENDS - the ARIZONA GOP CAUCUS who UNANIMOUSLY CENSURED HIM in 2005, because of his shenanigans which naturally lead to him being the TOP VOTE-GETTER FOR DEMOCRAT VOTERS and thus retaining his (R) SENATE SEAT!!!
#202

On January 26th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, Rick Moran said:

#200 Cat:

Please refrain from personal insults when addressing another commenter.

Calling someone stupid is an insult.
#203

On January 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:36 am, graysonret said:

Please VOTE! Please, stimulate and agitate the little grey matter of some of the elections officials by doing WRITE-INS for the top slots, so they have to make separate talley sheets for both the names and the count of “other”.

It is the very least we can do, and it gives us the right to tell the others that what they are complaining aobut for the next 4 years IS OF THEIR OWN DOING, not yours “for staying home”.
#204

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, tgusa said:

The battle is being waged on that one as we speak and I will wager that we will win. We are not going to allow our kids to be brain washed by actors or politicians. Leave our kids alone to be kids you pervs is the message being sent. An adult wants to make a lifestyle choice like that, fine. He and they want to ram their hollyweird/sanfransicko agenda down the throats of the rest of the states population it aint gonna fly, don’t take my word for it, watch. We love our kids and Ahnuld is going to find out just how much. Look I hear ya Ombre Rose and I’d toss him yesterday but the fact is the conservatives in Ca. are pathetic in terms of candidates they put forward for office excepting the US house of reps. I will have to do the research but I do believe those textbooks were created somewhere else and I believe that other states may already be using them.
#205

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

*Sigh*

Alright Rick, point taken. We’ll read that to say “unbelieveably irresponsible to the point of dangerous to the country we love.”

Which I think is not only fair, but probably more accurate than “stupid”. And I don;t mean just one person. I mean anyone who can’t see that broadcasting that you’ll stay home if McCain gets the nod is the surest way of seeing to it that the MSM and the Clintons will do everything they can to see to it that McCain does get the nod. It’s the oldest trick in the book: divide and conquer.

They have people paying attention to the more well-travelled internet sites, and this is one of them.

A little self-discipine until the primaries are over guys. Rail against McShamnesty all you want, of course, but cut it out about announcing plans to stay home in November. It may feel good to vent, but it hurts everything we’re all working for.
#206

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, Marshall Russ said:

McCain is on CNN hitting Veterans, taxes, and following OBL to the gates of hell(he won’t waterboard him when he gets there). Nothing about his Shamesty and his pathetic advisors. If he is using these advisors on immigration he might as well not say anything about anything else.
#207

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 10:57 am, Ordinary Coloradan said:

Ombre, you can stop telling lies about Thompson, he is out of the race.

And your EmBeDdEd cApS RaNtS make you look like a loon, as well as the fact that your charges are mostly bereft of reason and solid facts, and packed with innuendo instead.

I’ve seen SEAN HANNITY question Fred on those issues REPEATEDLY and NOT get the kind of answers Sean was hoping for and expecting of a man trying to run on the REPUBLICAN ticket.
i.e. Fox News Interviews Transcripts with Sean and Fred, June 5th, 2007 EDITED VERSION, which only EDITING I can find is phrase “TRIVIAL MATTER” from the issue of Bill Clinton’s PERJURY charge in the IMPEACHMENT trial.
ALSO MISSING FROM TRANSCRIPT is immediately following interview with Ann Coulter giving her LEGAL OPINION AS A LAWYER of the balderdash that Fred spilled immediately in front of her, invoking the names of our Founding Fathers into his decisions MOST SLANDEROUSLY.

Sorry about the CAPPING, I’ve spent more years on the TYPEWRITER than I ever will on a computer keyboard and all the new options for EMPHASIS are just not as BURNED INTO MY BRAIN. Sorry.

When I am of a calmer frame of mind, I love going through the new goodies and playing with them - but it takes time. For me, the Old School of typing fast and furious with either little finger near the CAP key is just too easy to go so much much much faster, before I lose a train of thought.

I know you wouldn’t want me to lose a train of thought.

Columnists I have cited before on this issue of Fred’s conduct:
Ann Coulter, “Fred Sawyer and Huckabee Finn”
Ann Coulter - Fred voted against torte reform and voted against removal of Bill Clinton, and stands against a marriage amendment “because of Federalism” - October 8, 2007

George Will, September 13, 2007
“Is Fred necessary?”, Town Hall

By MIKE GLOVER, Oct 1 02:41 PM US/Eastern Associated Press Writer

Phil Harris, Town Hall
Monday, November 19, 2007

James Bopp, Jr., Friday, September 21, 2007, “Plain-Speaking” About McCain-Feingold-Thompson

John Solomon. “What You May Not Know About Fred Thompson”
Wednesday, December 12, 2007
“1. Thompson, whose tough-on-crime image is key to his presidential aspirations, wasn’t always in lock step with his Senate colleagues on anti-crime legislation. He led an unsuccessful effort in 2000 to derail Aimee’s Law, which required states to keep rapists, murderers and molesters in prison for at least 85 percent of their sentences or pay a penalty if they committed the same crime elsewhere. Thompson argued that the measure was unfair to states. His colleagues disagreed, voting 90 to 5 to approve it.”

Phil Harris, November 19, 2007

THIS NOT EVEN THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG ON THE FILE I HAVE. THESE ARE NOT LEFT-WING KOOK JOURNALISTS, EITHER.

There is some rule about the number of links you can post in these comments, but I’ve certainly given enough information that you can google them up yourself.
#208

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

Ombre, Ombre, Ombre,

Won’t you ever learn? Won’t you ever get it?

Being angry and vindictive is not only not Christian, but doing it in a way which ensures the victory of Mr and Mrs Clinton both into the white house is unbelieveably irresponsible to the point of dangerous to the country we love?!

Or as a fellow Christian, look at it this way: if you vote for third party candidates, write-ins or stay at home, you put Bill Clinton into power again if you don’t vote for the Republican, all “messages” no one will pay attention to anyway aside. Bill Clinton was a liar (straight into the lake of fire according to revelation), a fornicator and an adulterer. McCain comes up short in terms of matching degree on the first one and we don’t know about the latter two. How could you stand before our Lord God and admit that you knowlingly put such a man in control of a continent of His earth over a shallow ideological position regarding the Governments of men?

I couldn’t stand before God and admit to that. Could you?
#209

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

I have worked really really really hard on it, I don’t mean to be so offensive to so many of you,

Between elections, my posts can USUALLY be quite civilized.

But during the campaign season, something just happens. I’m not trying to shout anyone else down. Please know that all my caps do NOT mean I am trying to shout anyone else down.

All of your posts mean the world to me, and they serve to give me hope and faith in human beings - and sometimes, where I live, I need that encouragement from humanity.
Most of you are still the same kind of basic, simple, loving human beings that our Founding Fathers were, capable of making great and wonderful things happen for your families’ sakes, if we get the bureaucrats out of the way!

I know it doesn’t help that often at the end of a frustrating news day, I don’t get online until everyone else is gone, and so I have reams of posts with no one else in between to break it up into smaller doses.

I am really sorry. And I have tried to get myself disciplined to behave about it, anyway, but then something yanks my string, and it is like a punch drunk old race horse who hears the racing bell and just runs full blast, no matter where he is at, even when he is NOT on the race track.

I know it.

I apologize for my rudeness - and I will keep trying.
Besides, I don’t have the stamina for an entire full year of this.

Yeah, I know the Dims will gladly keep voting for this guy FOR US if I keep on talking like this.

But guess what - THEY ARE, ANYWAY.

Someone revealed last night that the INTERNALS on the FLORIDA POLL showing McCain and Mitt TIED have 1/4 - ONE QUARTER OF THE VOTERS IN THAT POLL are DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS AND THAT ALL OF THEM WENT TO McCAIN!That was a bit of news on Fox News from Frank Luntz.

I don’t live anywhere NEAR Florida.

So just as the DIMS have done for 260 years anyway, VOTING CEMETARIES AND ALL, long before I was ever born, THEY ARE NOT USING NEW TACTICS FOR THEM, and they haven’t brought them out of mothballs because of ME.

I had nothing to do with CROSSOVER DIMS voting McCain back into office in his LAST SENATE RACE or his Arizona GOP CAUCUS voting UNANIMOUSLY to CENSURE HIM.

I didn’t even know about it til years later!

If you can show that I did anything to influence the current state of their tactics, then you can lecture me about this issue now.

But seeing as how they have already LONG been working to pump McCain up FOR JUST A MOMENT SUCH AS THIS - HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE COMBAT IT?

By letting most Americans think we really DO want McCain, THINK he is CONSERVATIVE by “everybody else’s standards” and that those objecting to him will Just get over it and vote for him anyway??????????????

That’ll really backfire on the DIMS bigtime, won’t it!!!

Give me a plan, if you want me to shut up. and I certainly will!

EVEN ME! IF it will defeat McCain in the PRIMARIES.
#210

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, Ombre Rose said:

Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
Okay, that ties it: McCain isn’t just clueless, he’s dangerously clueless. No joke.

So! You are daring to suggest that McCain simply doesn’t have the cognitive abilities of a 6 yr old child to comprehend the importance of locking the doors of his own home, and only letting in those he CHOOSES to allow in, and that, under careful supervision???

You might want to think that through.

I know it will rock your little world all the way to the core when you fully comprehend the way you yourself are trying to brush off the full depth and scope of the perfidy, and downright TREASON, of some of our politicians and bureaucrats - but if you don’t do it now, you might very soon have no house to come home to.

This has long ceased to be some parlor game of musical chairs or checkers.

If you want to keep what it yours with the minimum level of effectiveness, wake up.

BTW, do you think someone didn’t fax him POST HASTE the latest photos of BORDER FIGHTING where militia-dressed Coyotes are grabbing 5-8 yr old little children for HUMAN SHIELDS????????

IF the man is so brain-dead he doesn’t understand what he is doing, here, then he not only SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT, he should also be institutionalized.

I know, because the son of a dear friend of ours was put out into an apartment, on his own, by the mental hospital where he belonged, when they thought they had him suitably progressed. And immediately, drug peddlers had taken him over, because although he did NOT want them there, he did NOT have the mental capacity of more than an 8 yr old child, and was totally incapable of making the druggies leave and leave him alone.
Police only made slight minimal efforts in his behalf a few times, then decided “he liked the company” - even though he called his momma crying, every night.

And that young man died within a year.

Now, are you saying that is the mental capacity of John McCain, regarding our borders?

Or are you willing to admit that he is fully aware of what he is doing and has ulterior motives? And that what is coming out of his mouth is a lying bunch of something else.
#211

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, tgusa said:

Those who fight and live to tell about it are patriots. Those who fight and do extraordinary things, make extraordinary scarifices, selflessly, in the process and live to tell about it are hero’s. Those who fight and make the ultimate sacrifice are immortalized through the conflicts in which they died as well as in the eyes of the first two groups. What group is McCain in, well one thing is for sure, he is using todays hero’s in photo ops to advance his career, that’s undeniable and a bit disgraceful I think.
#212

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:40 pm, Ombre Rose said:

Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
Ombre, Ombre, Ombre,

Won’t you ever learn? Won’t you ever get it?

IF you were right, I would a gree with you.

But you haven’t established that you are right about THIS:

Bill Clinton was a liar (straight into the lake of fire according to revelation), a fornicator and an adulterer. McCain comes up short in terms of matching degree on the first one and we don’t know about the latter two.

You are most certainly dead wrong about #1. The very artile you posted into this thread under has ESTABLISHED that fact, and NOT for the first time.

We do know about the latter two. She is standing right beside him all the time, these days.

He is as bad OR WORSE than the Clinton’s on OPEN BORDERS and SHAMNESTY.

I live only less than two hours from the Mexico border.

I could go into the very bloody and gory details IN MY OWN HOME COMMUNITY of the repurcussions where I live in Texas of America having politicians like this traitor.

You sure would NOT like THAT.

And if you do not understand how the American politicians who hold those borders open “with their toes stuck in the doorways”, can be held EQUALLY CULPABLE u nder JUSTICE for every crime an illegal alien and Coyote and abetting bureaucrat commits, then you really also have no comprehension of the LEGAL culpability of the American VOTER for the crimes a politician they helped to put into office has committed.

A standard that America held Germany to, in the 1940’s.

Meanwhile, you act as if McCain is the only option.

McCain Feingold shows that YOU SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERING HIM AN OPTION.

SHOW ME A CONSITUTIONAL reason why I should not be considering Mitt Romney THE ONLY VIABLE option, IF EVEN HE IS.

I can show you CONSTITUTIONAL objections to McCain, Rudy, Huck, and Fred.

Prolly SEVERAL for each of those 4.

There are some things I don’t like about Romney, and what you say, IF IT APPLIED TO ROMNEY, would be a reason to VOTE for the ROMNEY ticket for the GOP over the Clintons.

But it cannot apply to McCain, Rudy, Huck, or Fred, or Newt. It ain’t even on the table.
#213

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, Blind_Mule said:

Boy it’s sure getting heated on here.
I tell ya what I think I’ll wait till Tuesday and then I will see what happen’s in Florida, then I can move on to Super Tuesday, Feb 5 when I vote in the primaries and before that I will use this site,email,phone and face to face to voice my opinion about whom I support and don’t by the end of Feb 5 I will have a better idea of who will be the GOP selection and I will decide from their wether I’m going to write in or vote for the lesser of two evil’s. but as it has been said I don’t think setting out is an option at this point, there is to much at stake.
#214

On January 26th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 12:03 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
Travis,

IMO, McCaine is a traitor. I would not vote for him under any circumstance, ever.

Okay everyone, this might be how you feel, but with all due respect you need to stop saying it - now!

Why? Do we have to wait until you can read the definition of Treason?

And then go read the McCain Feingold act, or drag up dozens of other things that MCCain did throughout his loooooooong career, that show the consistency in McCain Feingold?

Sorry, Dude, catching up is something you have to do on your own. Time flying and if we all wait for YOU to catch up, whereas, if you haven’t done so regarding McCain by now….

You are like the guy whose house is 90% destroyed by fire and you are busy calling the insurance companies for an estimate and not letting anyone else use the phone for the fire dept.

We are not waiting for you - why should we! What for!
#215

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:02 pm, brooklyn red said:

Uhhh, tell us how you REALLY feel…
#216

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:05 pm, dakine said:

The phrase “diarrhea of the mouth” (or I guess “fingers” in this case) comes to mind.
#217

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, Barry F. said:

…McCain, on the other hand, thinks his time in the Senate (which I heard even Chris Matthews once equate to serving on student council in high school) was as a leader.

The forte of a senator is to debate, filibuster, compromise (as Fred noted), etc.

They have nothing to do with “leadership”, unless living off the public for too many terms counts as “leadership”.
#218

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:31 pm, Ombre Rose said:

Funny thing - I am looking for definitive, reputeable CONSERVATIVE material on McCain’s war record, and so far, I am finding a MASS of Democrat Liberals defending him, like Hanoi John, the Clintons, the daughter of the Keating Five…

What does THAT mean?

False accusations against the Bush administraion campaign 2000 for a smear campaign against his record THAT NEVER DID EVEN TAKE PLACE????????????????
Phone records show NO SUCH CALLS were EVER RECEIVED??????????????

More evidence of BUTT BUDDY tightness between McCain and Hanoi John, along with Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy - particularly on ALL Vietnam issues, treaties and MIA/KIA issues before Congress in the ’90’s, etc…..

But definitive evidence of what McCain’s actual military record WAS and WAS NOT…..

???????????????????????????

NOT finding:
ANYTHING to strengthen a healthy view of McCain’s INTEGRITY

NOT as a Patriot
NOT as a Senator or politician
NOT as an Arizonan
NOT as a member in good standing of the GOP
NOT as an emmisary for families of POW/KIA/MIS’s
Not as an advocate for our South Vietnamese allies

Does anyone out there have something KOSHER for the man? I’d love to see it.

Honestly.
#219

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:02 pm, brooklyn red said:
Uhhh, tell us how you REALLY feel…

hehehehehe
#220

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:51 pm, Barry F. said:

Let’s face it. There isn’t a good candidate, IMHO, this year. And, “good” for me equates to a solid conservative.

I can guarantee you that John McCain will not receive a vote from our household this year. My wife has made it clear that she is adamantly opposed to McCain, as am I.

We seem to be leaning toward Romney now with all of the folks that have dropped out of the race, after SC. We will have to get it together and figure it out pretty quick, since Super Tuesday is our primary and I haven’t figured it out, yet, to take advantage of early voting. *sigh*
#221

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, tgusa said: …
We love our kids and Ahnuld is going to find out just how much. Look I hear ya Ombre Rose and I’d toss him yesterday but the fact is the conservatives in Ca. are pathetic in terms of candidates they put forward for office excepting the US house of reps. I will have to do the research but I do believe those textbooks were created somewhere else and I believe that other states may already be using them.

Believe me, I know how ya feel, and many many days, it feels contageous and contiguous throughout the entire 50 states!
Didn’t say that to castigate the Californians - you guys were avalanched.

If I hadn’t seen an article a few weeks before that signing where the city (of Oakland???)banned a local black ladies’ Christian group from announcing prayer meetings for traditional families on the city’s bulletin board web site, I might have been shocked by what Dah Ahnold Man did.

But as for him just taking someone else’s textbooks - sorry - California is the major client for all textbook publishing and the rest of the nation finds it cheaper to by Standard California stock than to have to publish their own limited edition at a much higher price - Texas included.

California is the ONE STATE that can all it ANY WAY THEY WANT TO, on textbooks and related tests and teaching materials.

Homeschoolers are the only serious opposition to California curriculum in the USA.

Anyway, the only reason I mentioned it is to show that while we weigh the risks of someone while making up our minds if we can afford TO vote for them, we often forget the off-issue surprises someone with some baggage can also produce while in office, we never even CONSIDERED guarding ourselves about.

It’s much like one of the cartoons about the little Dutch boy at the dike - I think it was Pluto at the dike, in fact, and he had all feet - and toes and both ears slapped onto some leaks, another popped up and he stuck his pointy little tail in it - then something else happened and the dam busted!

And that is how these RINOS make me feel!

You put everything you got into defeating the DIMS, and then a RINO pops up in the voting chute and there is nothing you can SEEM to do about it.
#222

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:03 pm, Ombre Rose said:

I will admit that all of the POW’s broke and gave information to the VC but was Mr. McCain more friendly to the VC than others?

I would refer you to the biography of Jeremiah Denton writen in the late 70’s, I think in ‘78.

ALL POWS did NOT break or give correct and coherent info to the VC.

FEW GAVE THE VC a VERY WARM WELCOME and HUG to the Senate Floor.

I know that many who broke did their best - but few of them came home and put on a mask and LIED about what they did - they simply kept their mouth shut and said NOTHING WHATSOEVER AT ALL.

They certainly did NOT become BRAGGARTS.
#223

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:20 pm, tgusa said:

Make your outrage known, spread the word far and wide, I am. Ca is not what they show you on tv, each district has different values, show up with this textbook in my district and you would have a riot on your hands. A book burning ceremony would probably be in order.
Here is a link you might find interesting.
#224

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, tgusa said:

The blue areas along the border are the doors. If I ever have to sneak back in I’m looking at N.M. as my best shot.
#225

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, Blind_Mule said:

Ombre Rose said:

ALL POWS did NOT break or give correct and coherent info to the VC.

Your on a roll today, or rant what ever you want to call it

I beg to differ most of them did give information to the VC but I never said it was the correct information. Some would tell the VC they knew nothing, that thay where just lower class officer’s and the high brass never told them anything but their mission at that time. The VC believed some and tortured all and they broke telling them anything they wanted to hear although not being correct information.

I’ve never read the book you refer to but I have read many account’s of POW’s and I did read a small blurb about him and he was awarded the Navy Cross for his resistance in the face of torture. maybe I’ll pick it up and learn something new you may be right but the one’s that did’nt say anything are probably dead because of it.
#226

On January 26th, 2008 at 7:00 pm, tgusa said:

Opps sorry N.M. I meant Arizona, hey, that’s McCains state! But it does make it clear why we can’t get a fence built doesn’t it.
I know its off topic but I really am sick of the socialist agenda being forced down our throats. Stand up and let them know that you are mad as hell and you are not going to take it anymore! Where did these people learn to govern joe stalin u? If they don’t knock it off we are all going to leave, good luck after that. I have relatives from coast to coast, yes, Texas too so I have plenty of places to choose from. And if and when I go it wont be long before others I know do, some already have. My long distance phone bill gets more expensive every year. Why am I still here, what can I say I’m a stubborn die hard, I blame it on the scotch, both types.
#227

On January 26th, 2008 at 9:26 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

Ombre Rose,

Your heartfelt apology for your writing style was really quite moving and I wonder if people read through it fully or just skimmed the post. As a full member of the Fraternity Verbose, I know how important efficiency can be, even if the thoughts are complex and potential permutations vast.

Or are you willing to admit that he is fully aware of what he is doing and has ulterior motives? And that what is coming out of his mouth is a lying bunch of something else.

Well, yes and no. He may actually believe that what he is doing good and right and appropriate. Does he understand that there are conservatives that oppose him and so he misrepresents himself? Of course. Is that lying? Certainly. But clueless doesn’t necessarily suggest a childlike ignorance. A conniving lyer can still be clueless. Clueless about how obvious his lies are to knowledgable people who recognize them. Clueless about the objectivity required to make sensible decisions from an ojective perspective.

Would it help to say “McCain is blinded by ego and lust for power” instead of “clueless?” To me, in context, they’re interchangible. But we’ll say McCain is blinded by ego and lust for power. Fair?
#228

On January 26th, 2008 at 10:43 pm, JohnnyNJ said:

I would vote for Obama before I’d vote for McCain.
#229

On January 26th, 2008 at 10:45 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

No, Johnny - NO!

Sheesh!!!!
#230

On January 26th, 2008 at 11:00 pm, nyc123me said:

Hernandez is NOT a “non-paid volunteer” - he was paid in advance.

A vote for McCain is a vote against Americans, a vote against Republicans, and a vote for Democrats. JUST DON’T DO IT.
#231

On January 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pm, feebiebabe said:

Mexico First!

Please, someone tell me this man is joking or high!
#232

On January 27th, 2008 at 2:32 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:20 pm, tgusa said:

Here is another link to a more “neutral” location for that map.

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=BushCountry04Map1.jpg

And if you come in through NM, be careful going home through Sheriff Joe’s area in Arizona - he ain’t much like McCain at all! hehehehehe
#233

On January 27th, 2008 at 2:37 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pm, feebiebabe said:
Mexico First!

Please, someone tell me this man is joking or high!

WHERE on earth do you live, to be so INSULATED and ISOLATED as to think this MIGHT be a JOKE????????????????????

If McCain wins the nomination, I’d like to move to that area!

If I were truly cruel, I could offer you a vacation to the lovely SOUTHERN TIP of TEXAS, ON THE BORDER.

I hear that one of the Tourist motels is metal-cladding their building, so I am sure you will be perfectly SAFE.

Oh, THAT is no joke, either! Seriously.
#234

On January 27th, 2008 at 2:51 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 9:26 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
Ombre Rose,

Thanks, and you are right - and I will try harder.
LOL! Does it help you to know that while in JUNIOR HIGH, one of my teachers “flattered” me by comparing my writing style to HAWTHORNE? It was a few years before I got a chance to tackle “The Scarlet “Letter” - what a setdown with a single word, she had given me! LOL!

But it will still be a very long year. So I will GENUINELY try.

Your definition of “clueless” in this instance is perfectly acceptable to me, however it does lead to easy misinterpretation, where some folks think he doesn’t understand the concept of border security, rather than the idea of how blatant his lies are to his listening audience. hehehehe

I used to use the example a lot, referring to politicians, of small children smeared with the chocolate chips and crumbs of the cookies from the broken cookie jar at their feet - smeared from their mouths to their hair, fingers and hands, clothing, and all over the counter and floor - who are whispering to eachother after the angry mom in the door and just blessed them out and is getting ready to “clean house” with them, starting at the bathtub - “Gee, how do you figure she found out we were lying about the cookies? She must be a mind reader!”

Most likely an old “Hi and Lois” cartoon, but all too common in any household with children.

But grown men really should be able to tell when their audience isn’t buying their schmooze!

However, when the audience is calling him “THE STRAIGHT TALKER”, Most Conservative Candidate in the race - placed at NUMBER ONE - I guess he has no way of not knowing better than to believe his own press.

And truly, I am glad he cannot see it.

I’d really hate for him to make a better effort with a more BELIEVEABLE lie.

THAT would be really scary!
#235

On January 27th, 2008 at 3:10 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, Blind_Mule said:

Yeah, I am on a real Texas Tear, you might say.

Politics gets my blood up anyway - but some issues really do yank my string, and today is one of those days on several levels - but this is one that is close to my heart, since we are not too terribly far North of that Blue area of Southern Texas, and just less than 2 hours from the Mexico border region. And that means there are personal rammifications RIGHT WHERE I LIVE, physically!

Then you figure in, I grew up climbing all over a statue of Davy Crockett, and Liberals took down too many of the statues of our heroes in exchange for examples of “modern art” - so a lot of kids don’t get that privilege, these days.
I have lived all my life in the shadow of The Alamo, in the pathway that Santa Anna took to get there.

And I am one of not that many who know the story of what changed Stephen F. Austin from a belly-crawling Pacifist in his day, to a staunch supporter of the men at the Alamo and of Sam Houston’s efforts to use the time bought him with precious blood for him to be ready by the time Santa Anna got to him on the far side of Texas.

Regardless of what any man did in the Hanoi Hilton, I could back him, if he doesn’t come back to America attacking his own comrads in arms. I am still investigating as deeply as I can - since it is POLITICALLY INCORRECT TO DO SO - to try to find the REAL truth.

Not because I care how a man or woman reacted there - they each did the very best they could, on that day, given what they had to deal with, and their own general condition and state of mind - because that is as rough a place as I have read of, and I was reading aobut Treblinka by the time I was 10-12 years old.
I don’t want to second guess the actions of a single person in their shoes.

But if it turns out he is attacking other Vietnam vets because they are telling the truth about him, BECAUSE OF UNAMERICAN STANCES HE HAS TAKEN IN OFFICE in favor of North Vietcong ONLY - then I feel we as voters have a right to know.

Not because some things are NOT too personal for public purview - THIS CERTAINLY IS.

But we are talking about putting young folks under his command, and a red button at HIS fingertips - and he has VERY QUESTIONABLE ALLIES in politics.

And EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM has ALWAYS scared the - for lack of a better epithet - “hooey” out of me - ALWAYS.

HOW CAN A MAN STAND NEXT TO TOADY CHAPPAQUIDDICK KENNEDY AND NOT PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE instead of making laws like SHAMNESTY with him - you see what I mean??? I don’t get it!
Ain’t that what a war hero is FOR???

WHAT WOULD JACK HAVE DONE IF HE WERE STILL ALIVE???

Inquiring minds want to know!

And I do remember Jack. He is no history book character to me. I talked my folks into voting for him because the Republican Nixon looked too crooked and untrustworthy - shifty-eyed.
#236

On January 27th, 2008 at 3:19 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 7:00 pm, tgusa said:

Hey, Arizona tells us all the time not to blame THEM for McCain as they CENSURED him unanimously for the political tactics that made him more attractive to the Dim party than the last guy THEY put up to run against him, and cross voted FOR him in greater numbers than the GOP could vote against him. It is also the state of Sheriff Joe and Maricopa County who stands behind Joe 1,000% ALL THE WAY!

I’m thinking that McCain won’t find Arizona very hospitable to him as a retirement location, frankly.

And Joe is doing his fair share of making up for that lack of a fence, and the Arizona legislature is, too! In SPITE of Janet Napolitano’s best efforts.

Did you hear, a while back, Joe even jailed Mike Tyson! LOL!
#237

On January 27th, 2008 at 3:25 am, Ombre Rose said:

On January 26th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, Barry F. said:…
The forte of a senator is to debate, filibuster, compromise (as Fred noted), etc.

Hey, I am a lifelong Texan - and although we DO need to get rid of Kay Bailey Hutchison, too - if these are all the qualifications necessary, if I move to Arizona, would you guys vote for ME to replace McCain in the Senate?

I know I can screw things up at least as royally as HE does - but maybe I could land on the side of CONSERVATISM most of the time????? AT LEAST ONCE IN MY CAREER???????

HAW HAW HAW!!!

What a hoot!

Oh, no! no, I re-read it and I see the flaw in my thinking and logic there - “ABILITY TO COMPROMISE”….

NEVER MIND! Sorry, go back to sleep.
#238

On January 27th, 2008 at 10:51 am, BOB said:

I’ve read the reasons given to vote for McCain, if he is the nominee vs. any of the Dems.

Sorry, no way I can do that. I have a good friend who I will write-in. He won’t win…but I won’t forever feel guilty about my vote.
#239

On January 27th, 2008 at 11:32 am, Jimbob said:

The MSM and many democrats that I know say that a contest of Hillary / McCain would be a win /win for them. They openly say that McCain is the most reasonable republican they have ever known. (that should set off alarm bells)

If McCain were to win the Presidency, Those same Dems say that they wouldn’t lose very much. I believe they are right. Their agenda would still be brought out and the country would lose big time.

Wow, what a sad time for the republican electorate.
#240

On January 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am, Marshall Russ said:

This should be a strong case for changing the nominating process. The RNC should make the states allow only registered Republicans to vote in the primaries for the Republican nominee. If Libertarians and Independents want to vote they should support their own Candidates if they have one. By allowing them to vote for the Republican they skew the results in the early states. In the general election they can vote which, is as it should be. When Republicans shoot themselves in the foot we tend to blow the foot clean off.
#241

On January 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, Dread Pirate Roberts VIII said:

I haven’t read all of the comments, but isn’t Mark Mackinnon a lefty douche?
#242

On January 27th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, CC said:

The bright side of these stupid but alarming endorsements is that, while some people may be gullible, we have the power in our votes!

Let’s show them their endorsements mean nothing to we, the people.
#243

On January 27th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, wild thing2 said:

McCain has made it very clear he could care less about securing our borders. He would make a terrible President.
#244

On January 27th, 2008 at 11:44 pm, MrC_5150 said:

McLettuceHead.