Planned Parenthood demands cheaper birth control for all
Give me a Boo-Freaking-Hoo this morning for the poor college students and their Planned Parenthood pill peddlers who are crying to the government that they can’t afford $25 monthly contraception bills. America is, like, so unfair:
Cal Poly’s Health and Counseling Services has seen the cost of contraceptives triple in recent months, according to center Director Martin Bragg.
The higher cost, he said, is the result of 2005 federal legislation that barred university health clinics from access to lower-priced drugs.
And while the local Planned Parenthood organization has kept rates the same for its clients paying for birth control, the organization must raise money to cover rising costs to buy the drugs from suppliers, according to its spokeswoman.
Bragg said “thousands” of Cal Poly students seek birth control from the university’s health services center. He said he didn’t have specific numbers, but he estimates a month’s supply of birth control pills now costs Cal Poly students about $25.
That amount isn’t as much as the monthly supply of $40 to $50 for pills in other parts of the country, but it’s more than the $5 to $10 per month that once was standard.
“Students are feeling the increased costs,” he said.
Officials at Planned Parenthood say the higher prices are putting birth control out of reach for many financially strapped students, and they want Congress to make the issue a priority.
Guess who’s ready to help?
In Washington, Planned Parenthood has found a sympathetic ear in Democratic Sens. Barack Obama of Illinois and and Claire McCaskill of Missouri. They’ve teamed up on a bill that would reverse the 2005 provision, hoping to bring back discounted prices to college campuses.
A similar bill is pending in the House of Representatives…
…Bragg said he favors congressional intervention in reducing the cost of contraceptives to college students.
“When you look at the data of the termination of pregnancies, this is money well spent,” he said. “The cost of terminating pregnancies or the cost of an unwanted child to society is much higher.”
Here’s a prescription: How about trying self-restraint? It’s free.
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Cheap birth control; an Aspirin tablet held firmly between the knees.
Especially when they reach college.
Abstinance is free.
Let me take a wild guess here, I bet these same whining students are the same ones that have no problem spending $25 a month on movies, cellphone bills, Starbucks or alcohol.
I wrote about this a long time ago. Enough already from these agents of death.
I am convinced these birth control pills make women sterile. I wish I could prove it, but I do not have the time to do the research. If I did, it would probably be a good disertation, but I doubt any Liberal university would accept it.
have known so many young women who went on them for years and then tried to get pregnant later on only to suffer many miscarriages and infertility.
It is sad to see what “convenience” does to our young women’s bodies.
Yep, abstinence is free!
$25 a month would be easy to make, even with a part time job.
No sympathy.
And abstinence is not only cheap, long run it’s better for you (future relationships) and society.
Learn to act like adults (OK they don’t have much available in the way of role models, but still.)
It’s no coincidence that Planned Parenthood’s founders are advocates of eugenics and that abortion conveniently eliminates their perceived scourge from the earth. They are the part of the dark force of the universe.
On a lighter note they suck too.
Artbyruth,
I don’t know about long-term sterility, but if a woman has been on birth control for several years and then tries to get pregnant, the first seems to miscarry. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has done a long-term study on the effects of birth control.
“Unwanted child.” Are these the same people that get all uptight about illegal aliens, saying “there is no such thing as an illegal person?”
Problem solved.
Hey, college students! Before you get it on, take a look at this picture and decide if this what you want.
I believe there are untold consequences from the birth control pill boom. Years and years of artificial hormone stimulation cannot bode well for the woman’s physiology and genetic make-up. I’ve heard it takes one month for each year of “the pill” ingestion before one can become pregnant. Ten years=ten months? And who knows what the long-term consequences are?
Heck, there’s hormones everywhere: in the beef, chicken, pork and BCPs! (birth control pills).
Aren’t condoms under $10.00 a box? Problem solved!
Only if they grow up to be Democrats.
While I agree that $25.00 isn’t unaffordable, I do not like it when the government interferes with the free market. If a pharmacy has found a way to get lower-priced drugs (importing them from Canada perhaps?), good for them. It shouldn’t be up to the federal government to influence prices or availability of goods.
I’m willing to bet a college coed spends more than $25 a month on beer and pizza.
On January 29th, 2008 at 8:47 am, Brent said:
Let me take a wild guess here, I bet these same whining students are the same ones that have no problem spending $25 a month on movies, cellphone bills, Starbucks or alcohol.
Bingo! And this attitude of having plenty of money for luxuries carries over into adulthood, as we see with those folks who have large homes, several new (and expensive) vehicles, but “can’t afford” health insurance or medical bills.
They can have all the cheap birth control they want just not on my dime. Find private funding.
You can’t be serious. If adults want to have sex they should be able to have sex without people criticizing them for not having “self-restraint.”
A 400% price increase in any product is going to affect a group of people that are financially strapped. I don’t know about you, but I was eating a lot of pasta dinners in college. If condom prices jumped up 400% I would have noticed.
And birth control pills are used by many for period control and skin care. So saying that people who use it don’t have “self-restraint” is incredibly simplistic.
Birth control pills should be covered by health insurance. It’s unfair to ask sexually active students (or students with irregular menstrual cycles) to carry this burden.
Not always true, especially if the increase is only $20/month.
Insurance ought to be used to cover unanticipated medical expenses that financially distress the insured. There’s nothing unanticipated about the decision to purchase birth control pills.
It’s entirely reasonable to ask beneficiaries to pay for the benefits they receive. It’s unfair to ask the students who are not sexually active or use non-pharmaceutical methods to pay.
Add it to the stimulation package!
Numerous things about this story bother me as I think about it.
So we are expected to believe that $25 is a problem here? … These kids are at a university in the high cost of living state of CA paying untold $1000s in over-priced tuition and such and they can’t come up with $25? …
Sorry … I find that to be be a total load of BS that is being spread by these folks. These “students” always seem to find the money to go on weekend trips to out of town sports events, take in all the big name concerts, and party anytime they get the urge, etc. But, they can’t find a way to free up this $25 for themselves for a medical need.
My kids have all still been covered on my medical insurance plan, which includes birth control medications, as long as they were still in school up to the age of 23. This is a pretty common thing in virtually all family medical insurance plans. So am I expected to believe that all of these students families stopped covering them on their medical plans as soon as they started college? I don’t think so!
As Rusty mentioned sometimes these medications are used to bring a young woman’s menstrual cycles under control. I can vouch for that being true as one of my daughters had to start taking them for that very reason.
Boo-hoo. Life is unfair and ways far worse than this. If somebody can’t cough up a lousy $25 a month for something that is so important to them, how can they ever be expected to function in this world? I have a lot of expenses I’d like to not have but as a responsible adult I pay my bills for services/products I require. Maybe I think it’s not fair that that my neighbor has a bigger house. Should taxpayers pay for that too?
The the ladies should, perhaps, quit spreading their legs for any pipe-swinger that looks at them twice with booze-hazed eyes.
I’m a part time college student who affords creditcard payments, transportation, and I don’t even get financial aid.
These kids can go suck an egg.
Although I graduated from college 10 years ago, I can attest that college kids can scrape together the money for BCP. They can get the money for beer and spring break trips, they can spend it on BCP.
But hey, college kids today havegrown up believing that the government or mom and dad should provide everything for you.
$25 a month is not a lot of money. When I was in college I worked and took a full course load. I could have afforded that back then and I am sure these kids can afford it now.
If they want to take the responsibility of having sex and all the consequences that come from it – they can buy their own BCP. If they don’t – then either get some condoms or abstain.
That’s like saying it’s unfair for those who are not sexually active to pay for erectile dysfunction medicine. It’s covered by insurance. Why should people not having sex have to pay for that but not for people on the pill?
Considering the average American loses their virginity in high school (between 16 and 17), making sure the majority of college students get the affordable drugs they need should be a primary concern.
I am not sure what you mean. I am Italian so I eat lots of spaghetti, but I am not sure how this will make me aware that condom prices are going up.
Excuse me? Since you’re a college student, I’m guessing you know at least one couple on campus that is lives together, is engaged, or is even married. Shame on them for wanting practical and cheap birth control!
DesertLover, a lot of health care plans do not cover the pill. That’s clearly the case for the university coverage at Cal Poly. Most schools give out condoms for free. It’s that disconnect, that men can be in control of their sexuality free of charge while women can’t that bothers me.
Well, that and that people think “self-restraint” is the answer. It would be one thing if we were talking about kids in junior high. But to imply that adults shouldn’t be sexually active is crazy.
God forbid they show some restraint and self-control.
They wanna screw, that’s fine. Don’t make it my job to help fund their screwin’.
If they “just can’t take the pressure”, 5 minutes and the internet will at least take care of the guy’s problem.
Unfair to ask students who are not sexually active to ’shoulder this burden’?
Ok, then I shouldn’t have to pay that portion of taxes that goes to public schools, since I don’t have children.
As for the increase in cost, COME ON! Most college students spend more than that difference in beer alone each month. Suck it up.
Sorry, I just have to directly address this.
They can have all the sex they want, but is not my job, nor yours to be honest, to help fund it. Donating plasma pays enough to pay for the pill, as would a couple of hours waitressing. If they are adults, they can made the choice: Sex, or no sex – Birthcontrol or beer money.
If they decide they want a beer more than they don’t want a kid, then they have a problem if they can’t budget it out.
No. Sympathy.
Here’s an idea. Just ask your parents for the extra $25. Be sure to tell them what it’s for. I imagine that may cut down on the demand.
Why does Rusty and those like him/her/it post on this site? The whole idea of “unwanted pregnancies” is a joke. They wanted sex. What is unwanted is the responsibility for using protection or raising a child. What they want is for everyone else to be responsible for them so they can live like barn yard animals. We understand those like Rusty are socialist democrats and they are for the killing of the unborn like it is a sporting event. They want it both ways. Pay for their birth control because it is not fair. Pay for their abortions because it is their choice but your money should help them do it. Pay for their birth control so there aren’t as many abortions. The pro choice people should accept responsibility for their “choice” and pay for their own damn birth control and stop looking for everyone else to carry the burden of their lifestyle and their decisions. I’m thinking we should abort all pro choice people because they are an unwanted enlarged fetus and I want them to pay for it.
I think this is the root of the problem. The government interfering with the free market price of a product. Sure $25 dollars is not that much but why is the government forcing companies to sell their product at a higher cost than they want too? If a company wants to sell their product at a loss or discount they should be able too. This is just another instance of the government trying to get into my bedroom.
I seem to remember someone saying something like The government is not the solution to the problem the government is the problem.
#24 On January 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am, jenmom said:
“If they want to take the responsibility of having sex and all the consequences that come from it – they can buy their own BCP. If they don’t – then either get some condoms or abstain.”
Exactly!
For the XY’s: Learn to keep it in your pants.
For the XX’s: Keep your legs together, and/or always keep one foot on the floor.
So tired of hearing, “They’re going to have sex anyway, so why not….”
Either these 18-22 year-olds are adults, or they are not.
If they want to be treated as such, then they should start acting as such.
You know…like learning to live with the consequences of their choices and actions.
The topic of this discussion exists in great part due to the sea change in our culture that was sparked by the 60s (another fine thing from that decade).
Why, according to the enlightened ones, sex is just a bodily function…no different from burping, eating, breathing, or having a bowel movement.
And, lest we forget…there is no soul; relgion and morality are for clowns and losers; and the fertilized egg/zygote/embryo/1st-trimester fetus/2nd-trimester fetus is just an inconvenient blob of tissue.
Gee, folks, why aren’t we being more sympathetic to, and supportive of these college kids (and that’s what they are, and what they act like…children) that just wanna literally screw around?
Rusty …
My insurance coverage reference was not to a “University Plan” … it was to “my family insurance coverage” … my kids were still covered just as they had always been while growing up …
If there is a problem with the “student policy” that the university offers then that issue needs to be addressed by the students with the policy provider …
In either case I find it hard to believe that any student can’t find $25 to provide for their needs … a matter of prioritizing … sounds like a good life lesson that they need to learn …
You know, for all the sex people in their teens and 20’s are supposed to be having, I’m getting darned little of it…
Oh, wait. It’s because I don’t go get smashed at the bar and take home whoever is easy that night…
Darn my luck.
Do liberals think there is any expense or burden in this world people should be expected to bear without relying on the government? I would like to know if there is any point you just tell people quit whining, take responsibilty for your actions and pay your own bills. I was a broke college student many years ago and know that, even in the worst of times we always could find some money for beer and a party (or condoms). If this is so important they will find a way to cough up $25 a month. And just when has the University’s function changed from that of providing education to providing health care?
They could tape a photo of Hillary to the head board, that would make any guy go limp.
Azygos
I am also wondering what the specific Federal regulation was in 2005 that is being blamed for this problem?
Was it was one of the rulings that went against re-importation of drugs from Canada or anywhere else?
Anyone know the answer to which 2005 law specifically prevents universities from getting discounts or lower pricing?
It’s entirely different. ED is a disease with an ICD-9 code. Birth control use is not directly related to any disease.
It’s a bogus–but common–analogy.
There are many consequences to birth control pills – increased risk of blood clots, stroke, heart attack, breast cancer.
I’ve known several women who were on the pill for years and then – surprise! – couldn’t get pregnant. Or suffered miscarriages before having a child.
These college kids are not living on pennies. I’m betting most of them have cars, go to parties, buy clothing, go to movies, etc. and could easily find the $25.
And, you know what, birth control isn’t 100% effective. Pills are missed, condoms break. So PP definitely wants to have more people having sex, with the hopes a contracepting woman will end up in one of their clinics for an abortion.
The pill is Sanger’s dream come true.
Which is why I refuse artificial forms of birth control. I am not going to cause damage to my body so I can be treated like – forgive my language here – a sex toy.
My fertility is not a disease and pregnancy is not an illness. Even though the left treats both as life-threatening ailments.
Also, the elimination of the pill from a woman’s body is contaminating our waterways – turning male fish female and messing with the reproductive cycles of female fish and other water dwelling creatures.
They who were so hysterical about DDT and now freaked about global warming and obsessed with living green, organic lifestyles don’t care about their environmental impact (or their organic health) if it means they can have less self control and all the sex they want!
You know, I’m not sure about the health care excuse.
ED actually has a medical cause, and therefore insurance companies choose to cover it.
If a particular insurance company chooses to cover it, great.
On the other hand, I watch full time students spend more than $25 a week in the Starbucks on campus where I go at night.
*further swoons over englishqueen*
This is America, by God! Why doesn’t PP hold a freakin’ bake sale?!?!?
Let’s not forget the dog that didn’t bark. Subsidized discounts also benefit the pharmaceutical manufacturers. With subsidies, they can maintain higher prices than they could in a free market.
Less texting, more abstinence. Problem solved!
I’m sure many people can take the $25 hit. But if the price of anything artificially jumps 400%, wouldn’t you complain?
Men aren’t expected to pay for their sexuality. Condoms are free. Women are expected to pay $300 a year. It doesn’t sound like too much, but not everyone can afford it. Especially when considering that many students work 40-hour non-paid internships on top of classes. There isn’t always room for a part time job. Why should these women have to shoulder this burden?
I don’t know what the culture is like on your campus, swj, but this strikes me as very sad. For every person I know who hops into bed with some dude/dudette at a bar there is another couple in a long-term monogamous relationship. Loving relationships in someone’s early-20s are not the exception.
Haven’t you heard? That program is already in the works? You should’ve bought a subprime mortgage a couple years ago. /sarc
The same could be said for gas and beer.
Memo To: Planned Parenthood Officials
Why don’t you get off your ample backsides and raise the money yourself to subsidize the college students? Who the freak told you that taxpayers are nothing more than a vein to be tapped whenever you desire a blood meal?
Peace out!
So, the way I understand this, is that a new group of “victims” wants me and taxpayers to pay for their sexual needs that only cost them $25? Others want health insurance to cover it; though it isn’t a health issue and increase health insurance premiums? Doesn’t surprise me. We seem to live in a divided country of socialists, victims, and those that must pay for both. Sigh.
Then whose burden is it to carry? You cannot be serious about this. $25 a month is a burden?
I’ve got news for you – life is hard. It’s full of hard choices. Sometimes we have to eat Ramen for a month so we can afford the vacation we want to take. Sometimes we have to stop going to Starbucks every morning so we can catch up on bills. And maybe, just maybe, we have to keep our genitals in our pants, long enough to go to work and make the money to afford the freakin’ birth control.
No, it’s entirely fair to ask sexually active students to shoulder the burden of paying for their own birth control.
Of course, I come from a family that tought me the value of hard work and responsibility. When I was in college, if I wanted to get my axle greased, I had to pay the mechanic myself, not mommy and daddy.
Er, taught.* Preview, preview, preview . . .
Liberals would complain and demand government subsidies. Conservatives would reduce consumption and look for alternatives.
Maybe on campus or other liberal enclaves. Last I checked the pharmacies are still charging for condoms.
As I said before – boo-hoo.
#41 On January 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am, englishqueen01 said:
“They who were so hysterical about DDT and now freaked about global warming and obsessed with living green, organic lifestyles don’t care about their environmental impact (or their organic health) if it means they can have less self control and all the sex they want!”
Exactly!!
Analogous to the way the anti-Vietnam protests of the late 60s-early 70s evaporated overnight…just like a switch had been flicked…when the draft was ended, and the military became all-volunteer.
Desire of the marchers for a better world? For peace? To help the Vietnamese? Riiight. For all their concern and dedication to “the cause”, the “students” of that time did next to nothing to prevent the slaughters in Vietnam and Cambodia after the Communists took over.
It was all about avoiding the draft.
Period.
And, the present thread is all about the debasement of human sexuality, about its being dumbed down to no more than an animal function, so that these permanent adolescents can go and screw to their heart’s content, without having to think twice about it.
Period.
Rusty:
I’m in awe of your ability to produce non-sequiturs.
You don’t date much, do you?
1. Where? or
2. Problem solved; end of discussion.
Only if they refuse to make their boyfriends suit up. Besides, they should consider it a small investment for the free meals, movie tickets, flowers, concert tickets, etc. You do the math. The ROI is phenomenal.
That’s true of pretty much every good or service in the economy.
How do they find the energy to get jiggy after classes and 40-hour non-paid internships? Or was it 40 hours on top of non-paid interns?
Because we guys take the ladies seriously when they tell us it’s their body?
Men aren’t expected to pay for their sexuality. Condoms are free.
Nope.
But, typical of leftists/socialists, of thwe opposite worldview.
Stuff is just “there”, and should be shared equally.
Medicine and medical care are just “there”.
Education is just “there”.
Condoms are just “there”.
And on, and on, ad infinitum et nauseam.
Nothing is just “there”.
Nothing is free.
Whether we wanted to or not, as paying parents, while our three were in college, we ended up paying for the condoms that were being provided in the dorms.
We had no say in the matter.
Outrageous.
Not if I don’t actually NEED it.
Birth Control isn’t a neccessity. It’s a luxury.
They can either pay for it themselves, or make the needed adjustments to their lifestyle.
And you don’t get any nasty STDs either!
Rusty said:
We aren’t (well, I am) criticizing them for not having self restraint. We are criticizing them for asking us to pay for it.
Hey! I have to buy very expensive fuel for my car to get to work. And it is getting more expensive all the time. Why doesn’t the government subsidize me too? No, the government actually TAXES me on the fuel (and actually makes more money per gallon after costs than the oil companies, but I digress). I am not even going to work for fun, but to support my family and pay my burdensome taxes, which, apparently, go to young adults with out of control libidos.
Now you know why health care costs are going through the roof (illegals notwithstanding): Rusty wants us to pay for people’s recreational sex. I would like to think that if there is a medical reason, i.e. irregular menstrual periods, that their health care would cover it.
I can’t find a single statement in Planned Parenthood’s statements or credo that states that they are supplying birth control pills for cosmetic reasons, or any reason other than birth control.
Maybe they students should concentrate on studying so they can get good jobs and buy their own birth control pills.
But then, I am a simplistic kinda guy (that doesn’t want to pay for others to screw around, thank you).
I can see where this is going. Active, casual, free sex is a right! These poor, downtrodden college students have a right to lay pipe wherever, whenever and with whomever they want, and no one is going to stop them! It’s the government’s responsibility to pay for their condoms, birth control pills, IUD’s, sex toys, lubes, costumes, and anything else they want.
You laugh – I guarantee you we’ll hear it soon.
Everything is a crises to you liberals. When did this become a crisis? Government intrusion is welcomed when the cause is a designated liberal cause. The government should not be involved in this anymore than one would have them determining whom should marry whom, correct?
When I say condoms are free, I meant at universities. Of course the price goes up once you leave school and enter “the real world.”
Regardless, people should be using two forms of birth control. Condoms aren’t nearly as effective as birth control pills. Also, condoms don’t have secondary medical benefits.
My argument is that student health care plans should cover birth control pills. If you object to paying for insurance that covers issues of human sexuality, tough beans. These people are already paying for the dissemination of condoms. Which is a good thing. But we can do better to ensure that not only men get to reap the benefits. Why do women get that $300 burden while men get to grab some freebies from the clinic or bathroom?
Exactly! It’s the government that is artificially boosting birth control prices.
I can’t criticize their behavior but I better darn well pay for it!?!?
Rusty,
You’ve intentionally missed my point.
Just charge the first guy every month $25.
Problem solved and the students have learned how to take assertive control of their female sexuality.
Why do women get that $300 burden while men get to grab some freebies from the clinic or bathroom?
Rusty #61
Pardon my ignorance but women can’t grab those same freebies?
Dude. We didn’t get the government out of our bedrooms just to make room for you to watch. It’s creepy enough when the dog does it.
Not at my school.
It all boils down to misogyny, huh? It’s always the men.
$300 a year is roughly $1.22 a day. A DAY. You’re going to sit there and complain about $1.22? Women spend more in one day running the hair drier.
Women are just as free to grab free condoms. Of course, if you know about a bathroom that distributes free condoms, you can keep that to yourself. That’s no bathroom I want to be using.
Protest organizer: “What do we want?”
Moronic mob: “SEX!”
Organizer: “When do we want it?”
Mob: “NOW!”
*Organizer turns to nearby hot chick who’s chanting along* “Really? lets get the hell outta here then…”
Rusty:
What you’re forgetting is that sex isn’t a right. It’s not necessary to an individual’s survival. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect human beings – who are not animals – to show self restraint.
Men and women are different. The notion that a woman has to stifle her natural biological cycles and thwart her fertility is both degrading and insulting. It implies that I need to be readily available and willing to have sex with a man when *he* wants it – to the detriment of my body.
The Pill causes health problems. Health problems that only affect the woman and her future fertility. And that’s fair how? That’s “equality” how?
People go for years without sex and are just fine!
On top of that, I’ve never known *anyone* who had relationship problems, mental/emotional issues, pregnancy or contracted an STD who abstained from sex.
As I’ve said before – we practice NFP. It requires that my husband respect my cylce and my fertility and that we abstain to avoid pregnancy. It is a priceless gift he gives me because he *shows* me, on a daily basis, that he is concerned with my health and well being before his own needs and desires.
As a woman, *that’s* the kind of respect and sexuality I want. And the kind I – and all women – deserve.
Wow! The fog of self-righteousness in this place is overwhelming. Since so many of you are citing your limited personal experience with friends and acquaintances who had problems after going off the Pill, I’ll cite my opposite limited personal experience. A friend of mine, who’d been on the Pill for years (probably close to 20), finally got married at age 38. She had her first child exactly 9 months later after going off the Pill shortly before her wedding since she and her husband expected it to take several months for her to become pregnant. Apparently, she got pregnant right way after going off the Pill. And she had NATURAL fraternal twins a couple of years later. If the Pill reduced her fertility, Heaven help her had she not taken it!
And I was on the Pill for years because I had very long, very difficult periods. Much of the time, my being on the Pill had nothing to do with sex. I even had to go back on the Pill after I had my tubes tied because of problems with my periods.
Some of my doctors have said that their feeling is that a woman who has problems getting pregnant once she’s off the Pill very likely would have had problems getting pregnant before she took the Pill.
And while I don’t approve of Planned Parenthood’s providing abortions, when I was in my twenties, I used PP for my health care because it was affordable and the doctors were some of the nicest I’ve seen. I have no idea whether the clinics I used provided abortions. It certainly wasn’t obvious or advertised.
opportunity costs.
this is why we need to teach economics in middle schools.
Last thing I want to see is BC pills on health insurance plans; mandated by the government. I’m a man, yet I have to pay monthly for OB/gyn care, post-partum care, well baby care, mental illness,and alcohol/drug abuse (which I don’t use either), required by government. Because of government interference we are paying way too much as it is for health insurance. I suppose under Hillarycare, BC pills, etc., will be added.
*watches as his world is crushed*
*sigh* Such is the way of it, I guess…
I must ask, what about the respect and sexuality your husband wants and deserves? Was that part of the discussion? If so, great. If not, you should ask him what he wants.
Not true! They substitute power lust for their carnal urges, run for Senator from New York and then try to destroy the U.S. economy.
swj: Sorry to break your heart!
Got a sister?
And fourstring, I think it’s obvious what he WANTS… He’s a guy, after all.
But the fact he’s willing to make the sacrifice is impressive.
And I’m sure it costs her in other ways…
“Honey, could you get me another beer? Rememeber the agreement?”
lol
Point taken.
Although, I don’t know that many guys would consider beer for sex a fair trade!
I tend to agree with many of the comments, here. I’ve never understood why people think it’s the responsibility of the rest of us to take care of their personal foibles. College students (and the rest of us) have to live within our means. If it costs X dollars per month for birth contol and you HAVE to have sex, then budget for it. I have to budget for all of my expenses. I’d love it if Big Brother helped me with my car payment or utilities. People go to college to learn. This is a valuable lesson. Personal and fiscal responsibility is a blessing. Don’t depend on “society” to take care of you. It’s a trap.
#61 On January 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am, Rusty said:
“When I say condoms are free, I meant at universities.”
There you go again.
The condoms are not “free” anywhere.
The students may not have to pay for them; but, that is not the same as their being “free”.
Somebody, somewhere, at some time had to pay for them.
Thank you, Beaker…..
You’re a funny dude TexasTiger…good stuff.
Newsflash to all the holier than thou types around here: college kids have sex. However, I’m not interested in paying for BC in connection therewith, unless somebody can direct me to an economic analysis showing that it costs me more at the end of the day to not pay for the BC than to pay for it.
#61 On January 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am, Rusty said:
“Also, condoms don’t have secondary medical benefits.”
Ummm, as a doc, might I point out that condoms do offer protection (imperfect as it is) against many sexually transmitted diseases, which just might be considered a medical benefit.
I think Beaker said it best. This is a valuable life lesson. Personal responsibility is a blessing, not a curse.
You want the government out of the bedroom and out of your life? Don’t ask the government to support your sex habit.
Go to a college campus’s bar some time.
The guys trade beer for sex all the time, so why not the other way around?
Ah, the old “holier than thou types” face-slap.
Was wundrin’ how long it would be before the opposite worldviewers would resort to that personal insult.
“You want the government out of the bedroom and out of your life? Don’t ask the government to support your sex habit.”
fourstringfuror #86
That was AWESOME!!! You nailed it (um, pun unintended but works).
Something about drinking the same beer, from the bottle, for the rest of my life . . .
If the shoe fits granite…
Seems simple to me. I don’t ask the feds to send me Starbucks cards, yet I enjoy a cup at least three times a week. It’s a choice I make, and I pay for it.
Again I will ask why is the government inflating the cost of birth control and what is the regulation that causes the drug companies to charge more than they want to charge for birth control? Another example (if true) of things being screwed up (pun intended) when the government gets involved.
I worked in a family practice office that could best be described as a STD clinic. As much as we preach responsibility here there is a segment of irresponsible people who will lay pipe anywhere and anytime with anybody. As much as it pains me I have to agree with Rusty, it is in our best interest to have birth control covered by health insurance. Alternatively it would be better to tell government to get the hell out of the way and let companies charge whatever the market will stand for birth control.
Ho, brah, why you talk stink?
Hey, don’t knock the health care. As someone who was paying his way through a four-year university, the coverage was a good supplement to what my job could provide.
I have a mixed opinion on the whole matter. After all, I do remember how tough it can be to budget out $25/month for anything. I used to be so poor, I nearly begged for change from the homeless guys on my campus.
But I am more than a little annoyed at the legislation mentioned at the beginning of the article. Why in the world should there be an issue with universities being able to perscribe cheaper drugs to students?
Azygos:
Are you taking a public health or an unwanted children perspective?
I think he means “fewer liberals”
$25/month means missing one week’s happy hour at the local watering hole
MM, I swear, sometimes I think you bring up issues like this just to provide us with comic relief! (I haven’t stopped laughing since I read it.) Surely no one on the left would take this up as an actual issue? I mean its one thing to argue for expanding subsidized healthcare for the upper-middle class, a wrong headed yet noble effort, but to argue for subsidized birth control for college students?! Come on! How do they expect something like this to pass the grandma test?
If they’re at all serious about this on the left, then they can kiss their credibility good-bye when they take up S-Chip again this fall!