Blood-boiler: Berkeley vs. the troops
I told you on Sunday about the city of Berkeley’s move to treat military recruitment centers like porn shops.
Reader Bob USMC e-mails that Berzerkeley advanced two other anti-troop measures last night–voting to give Code Pink special treatment and send the Marine Corps a letter saying they are “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” in the city.
This must not go unanswered:
Members of the Berkeley City Council showed their opposition to a Marine Corps recruiting office in Downtown Berkeley last night.
Council members supported the two resolutions-one supporting anti-war protests and the other criticizing military recruitment practices-citing opposition to the war in Iraq, deceptive recruitment practices and the right to protest.
“By taking a stand against recruitment we are protecting the health and safety of our youth,” said PhoeBe sorgen, a member of the Berkeley Peace and Justice Commission. “I see the protest as taking a proud and courageous stand.”
Code Pink, a national anti-war grassroots organization, will be granted a parking spot for their regular Wednesday afternoon protests and will not need to apply for a sound permit for the next six months, under one resolution.
The other resolution more directly criticizes the presence of the center in Berkeley. The city manager was directed to send a letter to the U.S. Marine Corps saying they are “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” in the city.
In addition, the city attorney has been directed to investigate whether the city’s anti-discrimination laws can be enforced at the center, based on the military’s consideration of sexual orientation in hiring.
Marine recruiters did not return calls for comment yesterday.
The other initiative is forging ahead:
Local activists have proposed an initiative for the November 2008 elections that would require military recruiting centers to acquire a special use permit.
“The Marines ought to have better sense than to come here,” [Councilwoman Betty] Olds said.
Move America Forward is spreading the word:
The City of Berkeley, California has passed two resolutions attacking the United States Marine Corps, calling the Marines, “uninvited and unwelcome intruders in the city.”
The Berkeley City Council voted to condemn the Marines on Tuesday night (January 29th) as part of a campaign by anti-war activists to shut down a U.S. Marine Recruiting Center located in the city of Berkeley.
The votes by the Berkeley City Council were immediately condemned by Move America Forward (website: www.MoveAmericaForward.org), the nation’s largest grassroots pro-troop organization.
“It is disgraceful that in the birthplace of the Free Speech Movement, anti-military activists would attempt to silence the same military men and women who serve this country and give their lives to protect the free speech rights of all Americans, including these ungrateful and despicable people on the Berkeley City Council,” said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward.
The actions by the Berkeley City Council followed continuous protests by Code Pink and other anti-military organizations that vandalized and defaced the U.S. Marine Recruiting Center in September 2007.
One of the two resolutions passed by the Berkeley City Council last night granted a parking spot in front of the Marine Recruiting Center to be used by anti-military activists to harass Marine recruiters. The anti-military activists would not need to apply for a sound permit for the next six months – allowing them free reign to disrupt the day-to-day operations by the Marines.
Move America Forward organized a counter-protest in support of the Marines last October that attracted over 400 pro-troop supporters who stood in solidarity of the Marine Recruiting Center.
“We have hundreds of thousands of military men and women serving honorably overseas to protect our freedoms. Imagine how they feel when they go to turn on the news and see that they are being stabbed in the back by shameful people here at home, it’s disgraceful!” said Catherine Moy, Executive Director of Move America Forward.
Every member of the California delegation should be pressed to state where they stand on Berkeley’s troop-bashing actions–starting with Nancy Pelosi and Sens. Boxer and Feinstein.
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Here’s the Berkeley City Council page.
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More here.
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Elsewhere in the Bay Area, here is the conclusion of the Transportation Department’s investigation of the incident at the Oakland Airport. Refresh your memory here. The issue for the troops and supporters who raised objections was never so much about what rules were or were not broken. It was about botched communication, mishandling of the incident and its aftermath, lack of compassion, and delayed accountability. The officials apologized. The incident is over. But as the Berkeley attacks show, anti-troop animus in the Ba Area lives on.
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The Berkeley City Council is not worthy to polish the boots of even the greenest Marine just entering boot camp.
Semper Fi guys- you are loved more than you probably know.
Well, then, when San Francisco/Berzerkeley and the bay area psychos are hit with an earthquake, terrorist attack, protest/riot, or other catastrophe that would require law and order be maintained by the military or national guard, they can fend for themselves. However, you know some brass somewhere loves this fight knowing the likely waste of money it is to put a recruiting center right in the middle of their liberal day care.
I’d love to hear how John McCain would reconcile his opinion on this matter.
Ah yes, Once again the Bezerkley city council tackles the tough issues. Not!!
People here are ready to throw control of our military to anti-war Democrats. Maybe their patriotism should be questioned as well.
But, but, but…they ’support the troops.”
Friggin liberals.
From my post on the last entry in this sad chapter:
History did not stop in 1992. There will always be a need to have a military to defend against future threats. Our geographical isolation will only protect us so much. At some point we will likely face a major war again. (Remember history? The UN hasn’t prevented wars, and a big one is only a matter of time.)
Since we must be prepared to protect out nation, (part of the definition of patriotism),we must also allow for the recruitment of military personel.
Ergo: if you are against the recruitment of military personel, you are against defending our country. If you are against defending our country, you are not patriotic.
If this isn’t clear enough, I just don’t know what is.
And I still don’t know how to make it any more clear.
Apparently 9/11 wasn’t clear enough either.
Perhaps the Democrat party should change their logo from a mule to an ostrich.
Maybe we should give California what it wants?
Close down all the military bases, move the troops and bases one state over.
Deny government contracts to companies operating in California, pull all federal funding and federal offices and personnel and send those salaries and the tax base somewhere else where it’ll be appreciated by the local economy.
I’m all for giving the state to code pink and the old irrelevant hippies.
This is all clearly harassment - if the Berkley council took their claims before a federal judge, they would be laughed out of the courtroom.
I was considering California for my next vacation spot. Oh well - I’ll just take my money elsewhere.
Why doesn’t Schwarzenegger and Feds put the brakes to any services or monies that this metropolis is scheduled to recieve? Remind them that they are still beholden to principles & propositions that are greater than their narcisstic selves.
In addition, the city attorney has been directed to investigate whether the city’s anti-discrimination laws can be enforced at the center, based on the military’s consideration of sexual orientation in hiring.
Here, let me take care of your legal research for you:
Nope.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Oldguy53
That’s fine and dandy for northern california but hey we in Southern California, especially San Diego, we love the military, have a bunch of bases here and get along great. Please PLEASE (you too chepibe) don’t lump San Francisco with Orange COunty and especially San Diego. Totally different places. Even Long Beach, as liberal as it is, is more respectful to hte military.
Gotta represent for the non-insane Californians out there!
Can we question their patriotism now? Seriously - can we? Because I do.
I don’t know - I’ve always kind of thought that the old jackass was rather appropriate…
Close down all the military bases, move the troops and bases one state over.
It would be kinda hard to berth the fleet in Nevada, donch’ think? San Diego, afteall, is home to the 7th fleet, sub bases and our aircraft carriers at Coronado.
I say pull federal funding for Berkeley projects, especially federal grants. I think it is the law anyway.
Any rivalry between services is forgotten when something like this happens.
More support to the Marines in their fight with these loons from one of their brothers in arms.
Feinstein is usually very supportive of our military.
She certainly expressed her dismay over San Francisco’s refusal to homeport the USS Iowa.
I certainly hope she speaks out on this.
That’s an interesting comment, Mookie. Do you draw a distinction between those who want to fundamentally alter the course of the country (basic ideals it was founded on, values which, generally speaking, have guided it until the 20th century), and those who would allow it to change, in the hopes the experience is so disastrous that the country eventually rights itself and gets back to the original values? Boy, that’s a long sentence. My bad.
As one who is willing to not vote McCain, if he’s the nominee, you are speaking to me, and questioning my patriotism. I can say, for my part, I view it similar to a recruit heading to boot camp. Once there, he/she will be broken down, but then built back up again, so the change is temporary and ultimately leads to a greater good. As the ultimate desire of a McCain sitout (at least for me) is the improvement of the nation, I do think it is consistent with patriotism.
This is more of a philosophical exchange, I guess. I’ve never been too concerned whether people are patriotic or not.
If the city of Berkeley actually does treat them like they do porn shops, shouldn’t we expect military recruiters to be given the key to the city?
Just move em up north out of Cali or to Hawaii, and there’s always Alaska too.
You guys are more than welcome to come out to “fly over” country.
We have Coyote in SF and Councilwoman Olds in Berkeley and then there is good ‘ol Oakland, CA.
To my fellow CA patriots-are we just going to talk, talk, talk-or are we going to flood Arnold’s, Diane’s, Nancy’s, and all CA Congress-person’s phone message systems and e-mail addresses demanding that $$$$$$$$$$$$ be denide to these dreadful cities?
ACTION is better than talk-talk-talk!
P.S. I’m going to -Our Marines- to view that fabulous Marine ad before I go to bed. I sleep better knowing that our Marines and other sevice members are out their looking out for me and mine.
Don’t apologize for the long sentences. I’m a rambler myself.
If people sit out this election in protest of McCain’s nomination, it’s guaranteeing that the War on Terror will be placed in the hands of Democrats, who, with very few exceptions, want to end the war immediately.
There’s my extra long sentence.
I think the stakes are way, way too high to take that kind of a risk. Any plan for comprehensive immigration reform is going to take a lot of time to enact, regardless of who is elected. You could have a guy like Tancredo win the presidency and it would still take years to put a plan into effect. And while all of that planning is going on, we’ll have two ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and one possibly looming with Iran. The idea of those battles being handed to the Democrats is frightening. Our troops deserve better than that and I think that McCain, for all of his many faults, will be a hawk on the terror front. McCain as president, maybe Rudy as AG and Petraeus as Defense Secretary. C’mon, that’s not at least a little bit appealing?
It’s true that the Dems want to end the war immediately, but can they realistically do so? If they had the support of the American people to do so, they would have already done it. If they pull the troops out quickly, and the region descends into chaos, that will be on their hands and they don’t want that. Hillary has already stated she would not do an immediate pullout of troops. This is a bold statement, and I don’t have a lot to back it up (other than hearing it on Rush), but I think that if the American people see hope of victory in Iraq, they’d be willing to hang in there instead of watching us hand victory to AQ. I think I saw recently that Bush’s approval rating on the handling of the war shows modest gains as news of the surge success makes its way out.
You are right that putting the WOT in the hands of ‘blame America first’ is a disagreeable idea. But just how strong of a hawk is someone that wants to close a camp for enemy combatants, wants to grant constitutional rights to said enemy combatants, and rejects out of hand any action that could be considered “torture.” All of those ideas will be seen as weakness by our enemies, and straight up telling them what we will and will not do to them upon capture gives them info on how to prepare for us. It’s one thing to reject the notion of torture publicly, but as president he could be ambigouos about it publicly while telling his people behind the scenes not to do it. At least it would keep the enemy guessing. Well, until the NYTimes got hold of the secret memo and put it on the front page. hehe
But I admit, Rudy as AG and Petraeus anywhere in the administration would be appealing. But until that happens, I just cannot look past McCain’s class-warfare rhetoric, free speech assault to protect his crony politicians,him branding me as a racist and bigot because I want laws enforced, his condescending attitude, and everything else that is listed in stories and comments all over this site.
But hey, this thread’s about Berkeley and the military. So never mind.
The city council speaks on behalf of their constituents who elected them to these vocal political posts. Let the citizens of Berkeley California rot in hell with their un-American politicians.
It’s time to clamp down on these Bozo the clowns by outlawing balloon amimals, Che Guevara t-shirts, body odor and BDS.
As a 1981 graduate of the UC Berkeley engineering school, I can say that these anti-war scum do not speak for the generally conservative engineering students there. My roommate used to take me on radical student group billboard defacing missions in the evening, in fact. Unfortunately, the engineering and other conservative students are vastly outnumbered by the permanent residents and the liberal students, and the Daily Cal student newspaper, at http://www.dailycal.org/, seems to be mostly in the hands of the liberals.
Wish I were there now to help with the counter-effort.
Berkeley has always been a hotbed of anti-american thought, since the 60s. Personally, I think it’s a worthless town. USMC is welcome in many other places, just ignore them. Let them continue to sit in the parks, smoke pot and sing “kumbaya”. Maybe they can get sympathy from Brattleboro, Vt., but I doubt anywhere else, except San Francisco. 3 places I have no desire to visit, ever.
Beyond the personal animus I hold towards these hysterical cowards and fellow travelers in Bizerkley, I take great umbrage at the comparison of my beloved Marine Corps to the purveyors of pornographic filth.
The tradition of self effacing self-sacrifice and service the Corps exemplifies is the direct opposite of the self serving and hedonistic practices of these craven miscreants.
And now that I’ve overexercised my language skills, let me say, in the vernacular, the pathos of the times:
Code Pink sucks, the Bizerkley City Council sucks, the Berkeley Peace and Justice Commission sucks the BIG One, and hope the first terrorist bomb is planted right in your front yard.
May I repost a comment?
On October 18th, 2007 at 1:43 am, georgej said:
Press release I’d love to see:
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Washington, DC, October 18, 2007 (via TraitorNet)
The Department of the Navy released the following communiqué from Assistant Undersecretary of the Navy for Training and Morale, Lucian V. Patriot:
“The Department of the Navy, speaking for the Department of Defense, accepts with pleasure the application of the City of San Francisco, California and the City of Berkeley, California, to be the new sites of its live-fire training and exercise facility.
Since the closing of the Visquenes facility in Puerto Rico, the Navy has been searching for a replacement site for live-fire exercises of Navy and Marine assets, prior to deployment on active duty.
We are pleased to announce that San Francisco, with it’s passage of a prohibition of flyovers by the US Navy Blue Angels, prohibition of using San Francisco streets to film USMC commercials, cancelling high school ROTC, refusal to base the USS Iowa memorial museum, and other measures to “opt out” of participating in the national defense, along with its Bay neighbor, Berkeley, whose hatred of all things military, especially the US Marines is legendary, has been selected to permanently host the new San Francisco Bay Area Military Training Facility.
While plans are still in a formative stage, it is expected that the new facility will extend to several sites in the Bay Area.
Part of this facility, “The San Francisco Nest of Traitors Live-Fire Training and Exercise Area,” will host intensive urban warfare training, using live ammunition, for segments of America’s military including most units of the United States Marines, Air Force, Army, and of course the US Navy. Projected activities will include finely tuned Tomahawk Missile and army/naval bombardment artillery strikes on buildings such as City Hall, the Transamerica building, and the Embarcadero, which will also be used for amphibious landing training.
Other activities, including live bayonet exercises and massed riflery fire, will be conducted across the Bay in Berkeley at the new “Berkeley Nest of Traitors Live-Fire Training and Exercise Area at USC Berkeley,” on the campus quad for both Marine and Army infantry units, and the use of the Berkeley City administrative center for air-to-ground practice for both
Navy, Marine Air, and Air Force squadrons. Other city and university facilities in the Bay Area will be utilized for exercises and will feature use of Marine and Army armored vehicles and rotary winged aircraft.
Separate exercises will be conducted in defense against bio-chemical warfare using live agents in these urban environments. Techniques on urban war fighting in that environment, as well as practice in the offensive use of these weapons, will be taught within the Facility, which in effect, includes the entire San Francisco Bay Area but which will center on the Cities of San Francisco and Berkeley.
The Cities of San Francisco and Berkeley and university campus at Berkeley, long reservoirs of hatred against the United States military, and ardent supporters of countries and political philosophies hostile to the United States, will also serve a useful morale purpose, giving personal validation to military personnel as they train for insertion to areas of similar anti-US hostility such as Iraq.
Dates to begin operation and the schedule of individual training exercises will be announced shortly.”
You’re absolutely right and I’m sorry for going OT. I’m just grouchy tonight. It might, however, make for an interesting question: what would make a McCain administration tolerable?
As for Berkeley, pull all of their government funding. You don’t get to play both sides of the coin.
Thanks for posting this and for being such a true patriot Michelle.
As a Marine vet, it’s a national disgrace to hear of the blatant disrespect this long-loopy town is hurling towards the military services.
It’s absolutely infuriating that these miscreants would go so far out of their way to disrespect the Marines and the whole U.S. military for that matter.
ALL they have to do is treat the recruiting offices the exact same way as anyone else renting office space in town. NO BETTER, NO WORSE. But, NOOOOO, they have to go out of their way to sling disrespect and encourage and enable harassment towards our servicemen.
I also haven’t heard of recruiters there who have disrespected anyone so this appears to be totally unjustifiable.
Quite simply, they hate the military. It’s time to level that place.
The Berkeley City Council is unpatriotic and Un-American. Hurting the troops is helping the enemy.
Proud and courageous stand? Holy cats! These idiots are just so incredibly deluded, so incredily sick in their little heads. How they can twist what they are doing around in their minds into thinking that protesting against our own military in the United States of America, where such actions are protected by law, were doing so, even without a permit, will get you nothing lest you start becoming violent (which always happens from them) is a courageous act is just amazing. Now, maybe if they were female, and maybe if they went out in mini-skirts and bikini tops into the public square in Saudi Arabia to protest the male dominated culture of Islam and the third-class status of women in that country, just maybe they could be called courageous…but harrassing Marine recruiters, and doing what they are doing? No…it is so far the opposite of courageous that they have no even come up with a name for it yet.
Of course, it is easy to see why they would make such a mistake. These nutters wouldn’t know courage if it jumped up and bit them in those saggy latte’ filled sandbags they call their butt cheeks.
This are people who have all the world’s problems solved. Form a line and sing, “I’d like to buy the world a coke”, and give everyone a hug. Legalize pot, so everyone can sit and “tune out” to their karma. Give up technology (except for them, of course) and get everyone back to nature. The military doesn’t need anyone there, anyway. It’s a waste of time and money.
I think the NFL and other patriotic corporations and organizations should take note. Maybe Oakland Calif. is not a good place for patriots to do business. That pipsqueak, Betty Olds, should understand that Americans may also come to their senses and stay away from Oakland, Calif. as well.
Thanks for the follow up Michelle.
Why wont the Feds step in and say “ENOUGH!” This is a recruiting station, and military service is VOLUNTARY. These clowns are denying the youth the right to volunteer to serve their country honorably. The Feds need to step in, tell these self-centered fools that any more such acts will be viewed as the sedition it is, and perps will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Then they should put recruiting stations where they damn well please.
MEMORANDUM
To: Moobat City Attorney
Subject: Employing Gays
Why don’t you first examine the impact of hiring gays on the Catholic clergy before you take on the USMC?
What? You’re hoping it does have the same impact on the USMC? Nevermind.
You said this must not go unanswered, but how are you going to answer? I’m not sure they’re afraid of unflattering blogs.
One thing I could see is organizing a massive counter-protest. But, of course, the Democrat Press Machine won’t report on it. Oh, and make sure to do so without a sound permit. If they want to throw a fuss, it would be fun to see a judge slap them down for violating the equal protection clause.
In the end, though, none of it matters. If the military wants to put a recruiting station in Al Queda, California, there’s nothing the town council can do to stop them. It would be nullification, at its most futile. Considering that defending the country is an essential role of government (and, in fact, one of the few roles the government currently performs, that is actually its job), they could ride rough-shod over the city. Hell, they could even use eminent domain to “acquire” the house of one of these traitors, to do so.
Izuko : “Hell, they could even use eminent domain to “acquire” the house of one of these traitors, to do so.”
Oh I would LOVE to see the look on the faces of these Code Pink Nazis if their homes get demolished to make way for more recruiting stations - that would be awesome! LOL. As long as the recruiting station generates more money, then it’s do-able under eminent domain. No problem - levy a commercial land tax on the recruiting station that is higher than residential land tax, and it’s all good.
Actually, it’s an “essential government function,” so you don’t need to worry about revenue. In fact, one could argue that situations like this are EXACTLY what eminent domain exists for.
Humm, so cant we cut off any federal aid or disaster relief for these POS traitors? Next time they need say ooo i dunno the National Guard, they could get a nice piss off letter instead.
Lets give the City of Berkeley what they deserve. The United Nations. Move the whole thing from New York City to this cesspool in the west. They deserve each other.
Quite the opposite happened last weekend in Jacksonville, NC when the Westboro (non) Baptist Cult came there to protest. Patriots came from several states away to show their love and support of the US Marine Corps. The below has links to photos, video and news coverage of the event. Hopefully we can end this thread on a positive note. Enjoy. http://eagles.earthobserver.com/jacksonville/
Does anyone out there have a list of schools that do support Conservative ideas, especially the military?
I know I don’t want to spend a dime sending my child to a school such as Berkeley.
I can see the appeal, but my father (Career AF Officer) uses Travis AFB and the VA hospital over there. Now if you want to throw in free relocation for folks, I can get behind this.
Christian Soldier is absolutely right!
Definitely! Actions speak louder than words.
.. and here is my message to Mayor Bates:
Mayor Bates,
Referring to: http://www.dailycal.org/article/100144/city_council_passes_motions_criticizing_marines_of
Your city council is full of traitors!
Can a town ban a gay bar? Same idea, just in reverse.
Unless you are in front of an abortion clinic which are acceptable in Berkley (because they are protecting our yoot).
Fixed it.
May the members of the city council and other commissions involved in this BS discover that their “proud and courageous stand” is on quicksand …
Hey, Berzerkistan, something bad happens there, you’re on your own. I want NO Federal assistance of any kind going there, no matter what the circumstances.
Thanks for that link Yakfisher. 200-5 is a wonderful thing to witness.
I hope the Berkeley City Council will get the same message. some how I doubt it though. They will probably think those against them are trying to take away their rights or something like that.
LOL, yeah just try that one on the masses. Oh the outrage it would cause.
Does Code Pink have a physical national headquarters? In browsing their web site I couldn’t find an actual address. They seem to be just a mostly web based group. There are local chapters, probably consisting of one post menopausal old lady, in most states. The reason is I would like to see the tables turned on this little old ladies. I wonder how they take to somebody trying to get legislation passed on their presence in a community as being a disruptive influence? Fight fire with fire. It is getting too boring and too old trying to see where they will pop up to then stage a counter protest. Afghanistan had the right idea when they arrested them and of course who did they appeal to come rescue them?
Code Pink is very small organization to be garnering all the press attention and the fawning of politicians. I would like to see anybody else get 12 of their friends to travel around making asses of themselves get so much attention by anybody other then the police.
Oh Yeah and just to add to the irony of this little group of early stage Alzheimers patients there is this from the web site
I am sure everybody here is crushed.
Berkley has been a moonbat cesspit since the Sixties.
I don’t know why anyone would be surprised at the City Council’s disgusting & disgraceful actions. I know I’m not.
Whoever suggested yanking any Federal money the city receives is right on!
Michelle,
I shutter when I read post by you and others here lumping the Bay Area with the vocal minority. I have repeatedly spoke on the fact that the conservative movement and Republican party have all but forgotten about the Bay Area thus further empowering the vocal minority.
As greenLibertarian mentions, Berkeley is a great school who’s reputation is tarnished by the vocal minority. I took about half of my masters classes there and let me tell you apart from Peoples Park and the hippies on Telegraph, capitalism is alive and well (and elegantly taught)!
magicky: shame on you for reposting this call for murder of American citizens. You and the original poster are far worse than the Berkeley City Council.. SHAME ON YOU.
Just wanted to provide something positive. Top of the morning to you sir. Here’s the link again for those who just tuned in. Scroll down past the pics for links to local press coverage: http://eagles.earthobserver.com/jacksonville/
Read Lee Harris’s Fantasy Ideology
And a lof of them are narcissists, with the attending grandiosity
We are all props to them. And deep down they know that they will still be defended by the rest of us (a free rider problem).
Thought I’ld pass along one what one Blackfive.net poster, DJ Elliott wrote:
TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I–CRIMES
CHAPTER 115–TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
Sec. 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or
conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with
the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United
States or to promote the success of its enemies; or
Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or
attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of
duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully
obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to
the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so–
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty
years, or both. …
Ish
Let me geek out here for just a moment:
Berkeley = Mos Eisley Spaceport - you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany.
The city council technically has the right to govern what goes on within it’s jurisdiction, HOWEVER; just as your state legislature has the right to set whatever speed limit it wants within your state, one needs to fully grasp the concept of “cause and effect”. Not only do the members of the council have to face the electorate on a regular basis (and if the electorate keeps returning these members to their positions, that’s their prerogative), they need to learn the above-mentioned concept. If your state legislature were to raise the speed limit in your state to anything over 70 mph, your state would immediately lose all federal road and highway funding. Not a dime for infrastructure maintenance and repair, personnel, equipment, etc. …zero. Any school district, college, university, or municipality can technically ban or heavily regulate the military recruiters, but they have to understand the “cause and effect” relationship. Most of these folks have to face some sort of election process; if they’re failing to represent the community, they’ll soon learn their fate. If that “cause and effect” relationship doesn’t get through to them, then realize that the federal government can, and in my opinion should, immediate suspend all federal funds for that institution or municipality. Not a dime for roads, bridges, infrastructure, etc. In the case of a college, not a dime in educational grants, scholarships, research fellowships, physical upgrades and maintenance, etc. I realize colleges get some funding from corporations and other private sources and that’s fine. I understand everyone has an opinion and I respect that, but just because you’re on a city council or school board (or any kind of legislative body) doesn’t make your opinion sacrosanct. The opinion of the electorate should form the outlook of the body in question. This is a republic (for which it stands) afterall.
Getting in a little late in the game - but I want all of you to remember this.
If something - from natural disaster to terrorist attack - should happen in Berkeley, I do not want our military going in there.
They are not welcome. So let the citizens of Berkeley figure out how to manage things in the face of catasrophe.
The silence of Pelosi is deafening. Shameful. Not that I am surprised.
Federal funding should be kept from Berkeley. And I agree…if a natural disaster occurs in that stink hole, no military should come to its aid. If they don’t want the military presence there, then that means for any reason, right?
Roman Con, I have been using that same description of san francisco for several months now.
Beaker1214
FYI … in AZ, NM and other western states with long stretches of open highway (both interstate and non-interstate) the posted speed limit is 75 mph … not dissing your statement … just correcting your 70 mph reference …
This needs to be photo shopped as the DNC emblem.
dl, is that what those signs say? they always look blurry to me..
This really, as Michelle puts it, makes my blood boil. Weasels! This episode is just another fine example of why I hate California (besides its astronomical standard of living)and why I will never go there to live (unless my husband is stationed there).
It’s even worse if you grow up in such a place and get indoctrinated by loony hippies. This isn’t the only place I try to avoid. I grew up in Ithaca, NY, another far-left bastion of “free thought and expression.” Conservatives and military people are treated like an alien race.
Berkely is one of many reasons why the US is in such bad shape. Nobody wants to call liberals out or do anything about them. We have to “tolerate” them and their disastrous plans for this country while they can harass and make life unbearable for any person who doesn’t march in lockstep with them. Where’s the fairness in that, libs? Yeah, that’s right, do as I say but not as I do.
Just when you thought the idiots in Bezerkly couldn’t dig any lower they just keep digging. Maybe it will activate the Hayward fault eventually and they will get back all the bad Karma they push out to our brave Marines. This is one of many reasons we decided not to go back to California when we retired from the Air Force. I can’t wait for the smelly selfish delusional hippies from the 60s to start taking the “sundown trail.” I would really like to see someone with some stones stop all Federal funding to communities that hate this nation. I would love to sit back and watch them try to fund their socialist utopia on their own dime.
There’s other ways of dealing with these nutjobs other than hoping for a natural disaster. geez, I live in California and to think this way is wrong on many levels.
While I agree with the spirit of the posts here, speaking as a retired sailor, I must respectfully disagree with those of you who would withhold assistance in the event of a natural disaster.
One of the things that has set our military apart, almost from the beginning of this great nation, has been the compassion of our military in general. I know all of you can come up with many examples of army, navy, or marines acting in a spirit other than compassion, and I agree that we’ve done our share of bad things in the past.
Notwithstanding, ever since the end of WWII, we have been the most generous, thoughtful, well-educated, and lethal force this world has ever seen. While the moonbats decry our killing as wanton waste and destruction, they completely ignore all the good things we’ve done, such as building schools, houses, hospitals, befriending the citizens, wherever we might be, and generally comporting ourselves in a manner completely opposite of the “ugly American.”
Should a natural disaster, or, for that matter, a man-made disaster strike even Berkeley, our military would be there to assist as best we know how. In such times as that, political affiliations and name-calling are set aside.
I live about 40 miles south of Berkeley, so if something happens there, it will almost surely happen here, too. The Hayward Fault runs through Berkeley(actually across the 50-yard line of Cal Memorial Stadium, I believe), and I live less than a mile from the fault line here. It is quite likely that that particular fault, which has been dormant for at least a hundred and fifty years, would be the next site for a massive earthquake, possibly on the scale of 7.5 to 8 or the Richter scale. You can’t possibly imagine how powerful that would be, and the destruction and loss of life it would cause.
The same people who now are shouting for the military to leave Berkeley would be the first ones shouting for our assistance, and, you know what? We would provide it, no questions asked, no strings attached.
The Navy needs to use Berserkly for a live firing range, then put the results on You Tube.
I blame BOOOSH!
If our Dear GOP Leader had a single Millimeter of Spine in his back, he would immediately revoke and hold all federal funding to places such as this, and tell the Gov/Mayor of those localities that they are on they’re on their own if a disaster occurs. They don’t need any “Invaders” to come help secure and rescue anyone..because that would violate their Delicate “marxist” Principles.
CPO Doug is right. Sailors and Marines do the job because it’s right. We don’t look to political affiliation when helping our fellow Americans. We help and protect America and it people — Americans.
Andy Hefty, former Sergeant of Marines.
aj …
… I should have expected that one …
cpodug … well said my friend … I just want them to take all federal funds away from these idiots …
Disasters are not something to wish on anyone … and withholding aid when one happens is even worse …
In my view that would be more “UN-American” than the way they are keeping us all upset about their treatment of the military recruiters …
Let’s see here….LSD, purple micro-dots, speed, barbs, heroin….I mean all that crap and these folks are still kickin’? Shouldn’t they be dropping off by now? I mean…come on already!
I just want to point out that I grew up in South San Francisco which at the time of my graduation from high school, had a large number of graduates enter the military, myself included. This was in the early 70’s, a time similar to now when the elites in Berkeley scorned us blue collar types who honored the flag and our country. Nothing much has changed, once you leave the Berkeley city limits, the Bay Area is like most of the State where people work hard, sometimes just to get by and are as patriotic as anyone else. I now live in Clayton, a town of 10,000 30 miles east of San Francisco and it is as small town as you can get, complete with 4th of July Parades, Soap Box Derbies, a town park etc. etc. So, don’t be fooled. The Bay Area is a really diverse area to live in and the nut cases in Berkeley don’t speak for the majority of us living here.
Does someone have a list of Berkeley-based businesses?
I would like to exercise my choice and boycott them all, to undercut the City Council’s budget.
When I was in the Navy, the city of Norfolk went on one of its occasional witchhunts against sailors. The Commanding Admiral ordered a 30 day deployment of all units, immediately depriving the city of millions of dollars of revenue. The city backed down in two weeks, as I recall.
Perhpas a similar measure is possible here. But why is Berkely acting out against just the Marines? Why not Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, etc?
Personally I am all for local enforcement. If they don’t want Marines, then they should not get them. Ever. We can do that, if we have the cojones.
AJ, #71, I think I concur. There are ways of dealing with pinheads like this, but you’re right — to think this way could be way wrong.
After moving from Orange County, FL to Orange County, CA, I’ve found myself thinking about doing alot of things I just know I shouldn’t.
As for Berkely, I’d take the deprivation of revenue route if we can make it happen. Without enough revenue, maybe their city council would focus on the actual running of the city, rather than trying to repel ‘invaders.’
(Do those people get out much? Do they know there is an outside world? Are their brains that fried?)
What has puzzled me about Berkely (perhaps because I am not old enough to remember) is, how did it get this way? Was there an embryonic group dormant in the 30’s /40’s which slowly asserted itself? A history lesson, please?
cpodug:
Thank you for your service to our country, and your excellent post. Yours is exactly why I am so irritated. Our military is full of brave, intelligent, compassionate men and women who put their lives on hold and on the line so dunderheads like the citizens of Berkeley are free to live how they please.
Those citizens then turn around and spit in the collective eye of our military.
And while I appreciate that the military would step in and help if something happened, I do not like to see my military used in that manner. Yes - used.
Like any relationship, when one party says “We don’t want you here, we don’t want you to benefit from this relationsihp” - but then turns around and says “Wait! But you have to show up when we really, really need you!” - that’s being used and it’s abusive.
Without really going into it in great detail, the founding of the Free Speech Movement was the start of it. And because Berkeley was(and is) home to one of the largest Universities in California, and, indeed, in the country, many of the local citizens just sort of fell into line with the movement. Since then, it’s all been nothing but downhill.
EQ, let me ask you this: if you were a paramedic, nurse, or doctor, could you refuse to treat a patient who really needed treatment, regardless of how they might treat you before or after the treatment?
I think not. You might view it as abuse, and it probably is. But the principle is still the same. When duty calls, we answer.
I grew up in the San Francisco area and joined the Marine Corps from there. I am always proud to say I was a Marine but when asked where I grew up, I always reply, I am embarrased to say SF and then I apologize. I have not been back to the bay area in years and as a former Marine I don’t think I would be welcomed. Also, that new MC ad rocks!! I wanted to join up again and would if they would take this 50 something person. But the Corps if for the young and the honorable of today. Semper Fi
Gotta read the comments in the article about the airport fiasco. Vile stuff indeed. I posted the following (wonder how long it will last):
“So, according to some of the posters above, it is ok to treat returning soldiers like potential terrorists so long as no rules are broken. Speaks volumes for the mindset. Those veterans are the reason you pusillanimous piss-ants have the privilege of living in a free country and have the privilege of posting your drool-soaked drivel.
I wish each and every one of the folks with this attitude could be teleported directly to Waziristan. I’m sure they would receive a fine welcome there, and the experience might just open their eyes in the brief moments before they lost their heads.”
Like I keep saying, no assistance for disasters. Let the hippies dig themselves out.
I served as an AF Recruiter back in the waning days of the Vietnam War; I know what these recruiters are thinking–these despicable people were traitors then and traitors now. The Marines represent everything that is good about our great country.
I have to rise in support of cpodug’s comments: I, too, would render help to those in the midst of disaster, no matter how little they deserve it. When duty calls, it calls.
However, the nerds in Berzerkeley do not deserve federal money, IMHO. If they do not want federal forces recruiting there, how can they deserve federal funds? Are the two un-related?
How about another idea already floated here: find out what companies are headquartered there, if any, and choose not to do business with them. Anyone just passing htrough can also choose to gas up before or after the town, as well as staying in hotels out of town.
As for the university there: many fine universities exist that would be better suited to send your little future leader of industry. It may be a fine school, but if it means supporting this non-sense, there are other places to get an education.
Agree that if some natural disaster or terrorist attack happens in Oakland, Berkd, or SF let them fend for themselves. No military help for them and that includes the CA National Guard.
When my husband returned last year in Feb. (he was on a transition team and there were 44 of them) they were told to change out of their uniforms prior to landing at SFO for their 6 hour layover as the Col was fearful of how the kooks out there would act. So, they did and changed again before landing in Honolulu.
I really do despise these idiots and hope one day they wake up and smell the coffee. Doubt they will but like those fools in VT, where there’s life there’s hope.
AJ and cpodug
I agree with you that wishing a natural disaster on the entire Bay area would be unjust. And expecting the military to withhold relief actions simply wouldn’t happen because of our long history of performing heroic service to an ungrateful populace.
But since I am feeling particularly mean-spirited today, how about releasing and re-arming the Gitmo detainees and dropping them off at the next Berkeley City Council meeting? Wouldn’t that be a more specific and targeted response?
Personally, I think we need about ten thousand people in uniform to take to the streets of Berkeley every weekend for about a month. That would be far more offensive to them than a bunch of porn stars getting in on in their parks.
Absolutely disgusting. I’m glad I was never stationed in that state.
When the vocal minority has enough power to elect several members to the city council, it’s time to stop pretending.
Sodom and Gomorra (SF and Beserkeely) could be wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, and no patriotic American would care, save for the immense tax dollars the surviving hippies would try to siphon off us in their continued indignance.
Cut off federal funding of any kind to municipalities like this! Choke off every single penny! Screw them!
I don’t question their patriotism. They have none!
No one ever called on a hippie for anything, except for maybe scoring a sack of weed…..
In 2005 the governator said,”Our bases are also an important part of our diverse economy responsible for 238,000 jobs and $40 billion in economic activity.” What is the military presence in CA worth now?
Yeah, i thought the libs were all for the greater good.
for your discussion and displeasure
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3164089
Question that which they do not have
May Justice be swift and sure! My 87 year old grandfather who fought with Patton in WW2 Germany wants to kick there butts! I am thinking he is right!
The contact info for Council”person” (we need to be PC, right?) Betty Olds who said, “The Marines ought to have better sense than to come here,”
Phone: (510) 981-7160
Email: olds@ci.berkeley.ca.us
Or a weasel, a chicken, etc.
I have been to Berkeley..I don’t think you could find but a 1 or 2 people who could last a week in the Marines anyway?….I mean you have to give up drugs and sort of work out… no?
Huh, supersean, flame wars aren’t my usual mode of communication, so my comment here, to you, will be my last on this.
The use of hyperbole (hy·per·bo·le /haɪˈpɜrbəli/ –noun Rhetoric.
1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”) is meant to show that an asinine statement, which strains the boundaries of credulity, is worthy of just such a reply.
Thank you for your input…
Berkeley -v- USMC — Just a reminder: The people who want to remove the Recruiters from Berkeley are the same people who brought you this little gem.