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	<title>Comments on: How big is the House Democrats&#8217; carbon footprint?</title>
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		<title>By: Caffeinated Thoughts - &#187; Twenty Items of Interest (v.4)</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/30/how-big-is-the-house-democrats-carbon-footprint/comment-page-1/#comment-356339</link>
		<dc:creator>Caffeinated Thoughts - &#187; Twenty Items of Interest (v.4)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin asks: How big is the House Democrat&#8217;s carbon footprint?  Oh, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RogersUmp</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/30/how-big-is-the-house-democrats-carbon-footprint/comment-page-1/#comment-256474</link>
		<dc:creator>RogersUmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Leifson says:
&quot;The ability of wealthy individuals like Al Gore to purchase what amounts to rights to pollute by buying carbon credits is a repulsive moral dodge, demanding us to consider useful analogies. One comparison that has occurred to many is the sale of Papal Indulgences that so infuriated Martin Luther.&quot;  

&quot;During the Civil War, it was possible for well-to-do men who were drafted to pay a $300 &quot;commutation fee&quot; and escape the draft. The move sparked much public outrage, creating the impression that the war was a &quot;rich man&#039;s war&quot; and probably contributing to the disgraceful draft riots in New York City, which led to the lynching of African Americans.


It seems to me that the purchase of carbon credits is a direct imitation of commutation fee. I don&#039;t expect to see SUV-deprived soccer moms lunching the wealthy outside of fixed base operator terminals at haunts of private jet-setters like Teterboro and Santa Monica Airports,  but I do expect public revulsion to rise and rise, as sacrifices demanded of ordinary people are evaded by the wealthy. The war on global warming seems very much a &quot;rich man&#039;s war.&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Leifson says:<br />
&#8220;The ability of wealthy individuals like Al Gore to purchase what amounts to rights to pollute by buying carbon credits is a repulsive moral dodge, demanding us to consider useful analogies. One comparison that has occurred to many is the sale of Papal Indulgences that so infuriated Martin Luther.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;During the Civil War, it was possible for well-to-do men who were drafted to pay a $300 &#8220;commutation fee&#8221; and escape the draft. The move sparked much public outrage, creating the impression that the war was a &#8220;rich man&#8217;s war&#8221; and probably contributing to the disgraceful draft riots in New York City, which led to the lynching of African Americans.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the purchase of carbon credits is a direct imitation of commutation fee. I don&#8217;t expect to see SUV-deprived soccer moms lunching the wealthy outside of fixed base operator terminals at haunts of private jet-setters like Teterboro and Santa Monica Airports,  but I do expect public revulsion to rise and rise, as sacrifices demanded of ordinary people are evaded by the wealthy. The war on global warming seems very much a &#8220;rich man&#8217;s war.&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: timbudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>timbudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will start riding my bike to work when Al Gore owns one home without a heated pool, instead of four.

Crapweasel hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will start riding my bike to work when Al Gore owns one home without a heated pool, instead of four.</p>
<p>Crapweasel hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of places here in the U.S., who could use some &quot;global warming&quot; right now. I know I could use a few days of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of places here in the U.S., who could use some &#8220;global warming&#8221; right now. I know I could use a few days of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Blind_Mule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blind_Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;blues said: 
The saddest part of the Global Warming hypothesis is that so many people actually believe it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes we are supposed to have more global warming here tonight low of 25 and snow. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>blues said:<br />
The saddest part of the Global Warming hypothesis is that so many people actually believe it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes we are supposed to have more global warming here tonight low of 25 and snow. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical of democrap elitists, do as I say, not as I do BS.  I can&#039;t wait to throw this in the face of Jason Altmire, a freshman McCain democrap (i.e. pretending to be a conservative) at the next town hall meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical of democrap elitists, do as I say, not as I do BS.  I can&#8217;t wait to throw this in the face of Jason Altmire, a freshman McCain democrap (i.e. pretending to be a conservative) at the next town hall meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: SHoward</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHoward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Soap.

I agree with you 100%. Being ever watchful of the leftist rebuttals, there was a special the other night on The History channel that attempted to state that the most recent sunspot activity has slowed down so much that we should be cooler now. They attribute the warmer temps to human activity.

Here&#039;s my problem with that: 1. It is still cooler today than it was before the little ice age, and 2. Just what is the correct temp for mother earth?

MrVIBEMAN,

I hear you on the statement about fear, and I never said republicans were above it. There is one difference, however: we did actually suffer a devastating terroriat attack, while the climate appears to only be shofting where it dumps the snow. (Snow in Jerusalem today, while NYC has 1st Jan is 75 years without snow.) (Arctic ice thinnng while antarctic ice thickening)

Just sayin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Soap.</p>
<p>I agree with you 100%. Being ever watchful of the leftist rebuttals, there was a special the other night on The History channel that attempted to state that the most recent sunspot activity has slowed down so much that we should be cooler now. They attribute the warmer temps to human activity.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my problem with that: 1. It is still cooler today than it was before the little ice age, and 2. Just what is the correct temp for mother earth?</p>
<p>MrVIBEMAN,</p>
<p>I hear you on the statement about fear, and I never said republicans were above it. There is one difference, however: we did actually suffer a devastating terroriat attack, while the climate appears to only be shofting where it dumps the snow. (Snow in Jerusalem today, while NYC has 1st Jan is 75 years without snow.) (Arctic ice thinnng while antarctic ice thickening)</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Greenland used to be green.  1000 AD was a very warm period of history,enough to make Gore, if he was present then, to have a major M.I.. There were no SUVs, no jets, no industry belching smoke, and they weren&#039;t chopping down all the trees in the rain forests.  Yet, agriculture boomed (North England grew grapes for wine), and travel became easier on the seas. Europe wasn&#039;t devastated, and all the coastlines didn&#039;t sink under water. The old &quot;create an emergency and panic the people&quot; to get power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Greenland used to be green.  1000 AD was a very warm period of history,enough to make Gore, if he was present then, to have a major M.I.. There were no SUVs, no jets, no industry belching smoke, and they weren&#8217;t chopping down all the trees in the rain forests.  Yet, agriculture boomed (North England grew grapes for wine), and travel became easier on the seas. Europe wasn&#8217;t devastated, and all the coastlines didn&#8217;t sink under water. The old &#8220;create an emergency and panic the people&#8221; to get power.</p>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
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		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polar ice caps on Mars are melting as well.  Why?  Big yellow ball has more to do with warming than ANYTHING man can do.  During times of increased sun spots, temps rise.  Before the industrial era there were melting periods and freezing periods.  Greenland used to be green.  The missing squadron (WWII era aircraft crash landed in Greenland) is buried under 200&#039; of ice.  Polar ice caps have vegetation under them.

Google it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polar ice caps on Mars are melting as well.  Why?  Big yellow ball has more to do with warming than ANYTHING man can do.  During times of increased sun spots, temps rise.  Before the industrial era there were melting periods and freezing periods.  Greenland used to be green.  The missing squadron (WWII era aircraft crash landed in Greenland) is buried under 200&#8242; of ice.  Polar ice caps have vegetation under them.</p>
<p>Google it all.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/30/how-big-is-the-house-democrats-carbon-footprint/comment-page-1/#comment-231101</link>
		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As everyone has known for generations, Congressmen are exempt from their own rules and laws. Will Rogers made a living ridiculing them. But, I&#039;m sure, the Church of Global Warming will be busy today, passing out the indulgences.  Sigh...if I only had 95 theses to nail on the Capitol door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As everyone has known for generations, Congressmen are exempt from their own rules and laws. Will Rogers made a living ridiculing them. But, I&#8217;m sure, the Church of Global Warming will be busy today, passing out the indulgences.  Sigh&#8230;if I only had 95 theses to nail on the Capitol door.</p>
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		<title>By: MrVIBEMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrVIBEMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic really burns my buns.

I&#039;m the only conservative I know that believes global climate change is a real threat and that humanity does have an impact on it, and let me tell you...it&#039;s lonely out here... 

I can&#039;t and won&#039;t try to change anyone elses mind, and you won&#039;t change mine, so don&#039;t bother trying. We&#039;ll just agree to wait and see what it looks like in 15 to 20 years or so.  If I turn out to be wrong, I&#039;ll happily admit it, unlike most politicians (and some of you).

I also don&#039;t believe that &#039;carbon credits&#039; or taxation will help or solve anything. I don&#039;t think the U.N. should be involved (nor do I think the U.N. is worth anything at all.) I think Gore is as much a hypocrit as you say he is. 

Not all global warming believers are the same. I&#039;m not an &quot;enviro-nazi with his wackadoodle theories&quot;. I&#039;m an Engineer at a Coal Fired Power Plant, I&#039;m Catholic, and a Disabled Veteran. It&#039;s probably safe to say that I know more about pollution than the majority of you. I&#039;m not a koolaid drinker who listens to the Lame Stream Media. I&#039;ve done plenty of research myself.
I wish all the nay-sayers could say the same thing. I hear lots of people spouting the same lines they heard on Rush or Laura Ingraham without doing any of the homework. 
Even the world&#039;s climatologists can&#039;t agree on this topic, so why does Joe Blow think everyone who does believe is a whackjob? For every expert Rush gets, I&#039;m sure I could find one who opposes him. If you even mention global warming to most conservatives, you get the &#039;enviro-nazi wacko&#039; line.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They do indeed attempt to keep us scared into surrendering our liberties&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
I&#039;ve heard that very same line from Democraps concerning the War on Terror.

&lt;blockquote&gt;On January 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm, Mulligan said: 
It was around -35 with the wind chill here in the Chicago area last night. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was also 54 degrees during the day. It dropped down to 2 within 10 hours and we did indeed have a -20 wind chill. Somewhat strange weather, no?

I could go on but I need to get back to pumping SO2, MgO, CaO, Al2O3, SiO2 and other toxins into the environment so I can support my family. (and we have one of the cleanest plants in the country.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic really burns my buns.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the only conservative I know that believes global climate change is a real threat and that humanity does have an impact on it, and let me tell you&#8230;it&#8217;s lonely out here&#8230; </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t try to change anyone elses mind, and you won&#8217;t change mine, so don&#8217;t bother trying. We&#8217;ll just agree to wait and see what it looks like in 15 to 20 years or so.  If I turn out to be wrong, I&#8217;ll happily admit it, unlike most politicians (and some of you).</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe that &#8216;carbon credits&#8217; or taxation will help or solve anything. I don&#8217;t think the U.N. should be involved (nor do I think the U.N. is worth anything at all.) I think Gore is as much a hypocrit as you say he is. </p>
<p>Not all global warming believers are the same. I&#8217;m not an &#8220;enviro-nazi with his wackadoodle theories&#8221;. I&#8217;m an Engineer at a Coal Fired Power Plant, I&#8217;m Catholic, and a Disabled Veteran. It&#8217;s probably safe to say that I know more about pollution than the majority of you. I&#8217;m not a koolaid drinker who listens to the Lame Stream Media. I&#8217;ve done plenty of research myself.<br />
I wish all the nay-sayers could say the same thing. I hear lots of people spouting the same lines they heard on Rush or Laura Ingraham without doing any of the homework.<br />
Even the world&#8217;s climatologists can&#8217;t agree on this topic, so why does Joe Blow think everyone who does believe is a whackjob? For every expert Rush gets, I&#8217;m sure I could find one who opposes him. If you even mention global warming to most conservatives, you get the &#8216;enviro-nazi wacko&#8217; line.</p>
<blockquote><p>They do indeed attempt to keep us scared into surrendering our liberties</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that very same line from Democraps concerning the War on Terror.</p>
<blockquote><p>On January 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm, Mulligan said:<br />
It was around -35 with the wind chill here in the Chicago area last night. </p></blockquote>
<p>It was also 54 degrees during the day. It dropped down to 2 within 10 hours and we did indeed have a -20 wind chill. Somewhat strange weather, no?</p>
<p>I could go on but I need to get back to pumping SO2, MgO, CaO, Al2O3, SiO2 and other toxins into the environment so I can support my family. (and we have one of the cleanest plants in the country.)</p>
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		<title>By: dpt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about during the air condition off in all the government offices in Washington DC. After all, government functioned a 150 years or so prior to the introduction of air conditioning.

Let&#039;s do this for Mother Gaia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about during the air condition off in all the government offices in Washington DC. After all, government functioned a 150 years or so prior to the introduction of air conditioning.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s do this for Mother Gaia!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnHolliday</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnHolliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does someone know why buses idle for so long? It seems that the burning of gasoline would be quite costly. Is it that starting a bus engine is such a strain that avoiding it is worth the gas cost?

I’ll add that I’ve seen buses idle often in warm weather, so it’s just not a matter of avoiding engine freezing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Engine freezing is part of it. Truckers leave their rigs running for reasons like needing the electricty to run A/C, heat, radio, etc. Basically, it&#039;s just easier to leave it running. Some truck stops have installed devices that provide electricity, heat, A/C, so the engine can be off. Saves lots of fuel because an engine at idle is getting zero MPG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does someone know why buses idle for so long? It seems that the burning of gasoline would be quite costly. Is it that starting a bus engine is such a strain that avoiding it is worth the gas cost?</p>
<p>I’ll add that I’ve seen buses idle often in warm weather, so it’s just not a matter of avoiding engine freezing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Engine freezing is part of it. Truckers leave their rigs running for reasons like needing the electricty to run A/C, heat, radio, etc. Basically, it&#8217;s just easier to leave it running. Some truck stops have installed devices that provide electricity, heat, A/C, so the engine can be off. Saves lots of fuel because an engine at idle is getting zero MPG.</p>
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		<title>By: walterc</title>
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		<dc:creator>walterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Term limits, anyone?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Two terms. . .one in office, one in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Term limits, anyone?</p></blockquote>
<p>Two terms. . .one in office, one in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: cpodug</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpodug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you spell &quot;SCAM&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you spell &#8220;SCAM&#8221;?</p>
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