Troll-la-la….

Like I and many others have said before, all Clinton the First did was hang on for the ride.

Troll-la-la…

H.R.3734
Sponsor: Rep. John Kasich [R-OH](no cosponsors)
Cosponsors [as of 2007-04-12]
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Bill Text: Summaries (CRS)
The text of this legislation is not yet available on GovTrack. It may not have been made available by the Government Printing Office yet.
Status: Introduced Jun 27, 1996
Scheduled for Debate Jun 27, 1996
Amendments (3 proposed) [details]
Passed House [details] Jul 18, 1996
Passed Senate Jul 23, 1996
Differences Resolved Jul 31, 1996
Signed by President Aug 22, 1996

This bill became law.
Last Action: Aug 22, 1996: Became Public Law No: 104-193.
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Other Titles: — Budget Reconciliation bill
– Welfare Reform bill
– Child Care and Development Block Grant Amendments of 1996
– Federal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996

This bill supersedes S. 1956 (Status: Dead).

H.RES.482 Title: Providing for further consideration of the bill (H.R. 3734) to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 201(a)(1) of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 1997.
Sponsor: Rep Goss, Porter J. [R-FL-14] (introduced 7/17/1996) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.3734
Latest Major Action: 7/18/1996 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 358 – 54 (Roll no. 327).
House Reports: 104-686

H.RES.495
Title: Waiving points of order against the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 3734) to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 201(a)(1) of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 1997.
Sponsor: Rep Solomon, Gerald B. H. [R-NY-22] (introduced 7/31/1996) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.3734
Latest Major Action: 7/31/1996 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 281 – 137 (Roll no. 382).
House Reports: 104-729

S.1956
Title: An original bill to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 202(a) of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 1997.
Sponsor: Sen Domenici, Pete V. [R-NM] (introduced 7/16/1996) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.3734
Latest Major Action: 7/23/1996 Senate floor actions. Status: Returned to the Calendar. Calendar No. 494.

On February 4th, 2008 at 8:17 pm, lgm said:
bit_boy said (#45):

One of the huge Medicare cost are the 20 million Mexicans in our country.
This is not exactly true. Illegals work (no welfare) and pay taxes. They are net contributors to our society.

That has got to be the MOTHER of all trolls.

One of the huge Medicare cost are the 20 million Mexicans in our country.

This is not exactly true. Illegals work (no welfare) and pay taxes. They are net contributors to our society.

SHoward said ($46):

Even Clinton the First didn’t cut social spending.

Wrong again. Welfare reform reduced spending on welfare dramatically. You probably heard about this in the Giuliani commercials when he bragged about how much he cut NYC welfare rolls.

On February 4th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, ThackerAgency said:
In theory, cutting taxes should force spending cuts,
Surprise surprise Bob, this is exactly why McCain voted against the tax cuts. You have the same position as the liberal McCain then.

Also, with regard to McCain and amnesty. . . wouldn’t you rather him not be a voting member of congress on this bill? Bush would have signed it too – so the president is not as important as Congress on this issue.

If we secure the border first, then we can go from there. We can come up with a truly temporary worker program (no opportunity for citizenship) to deal with the people that are here now AFTER we build the fence and have the governors certify it.

Let’s let him build the fence and secure the border first. Then we can bridge the gap about the people already here in context of entitlement spending. Likely create a temporary worker program where they never get citizenship but get deported if they are caught without having signed up for the temporary worker program.

My point is that lets let him secure the border first – that’s what he said he understands now. That would be a GREAT first step, then lets go from there.

Tax cuts…with the system we have now there are two choices, deficent spending and no tax cuts..or deficent spending and tax cuts…more money to government equals more spending. The money can be gotten from tax cuts, which is what happened, but not from tax increases, which historically have resulted in reduced revenue. Tax cuts or no tax cuts, spending will exceed income. I’ll take the tax cuts any day given these choices.

No way Jose’ do I believe Mr. Shamnesty after his co-authoring of the Kennedy/McCain amnesty bill, recent statements that he still supports it, and use of open borders zealots such as Juan Hernandez in his campaign. The truth is not in him in general, and on this issue he makes Hillary Clinton look like Mother Teresa.

I might not be a genius, but seeing through your man McCain is very, very easy.

In theory, cutting taxes should force spending cuts,

Surprise surprise Bob, this is exactly why McCain voted against the tax cuts. You have the same position as the liberal McCain then.

Also, with regard to McCain and amnesty. . . wouldn’t you rather him not be a voting member of congress on this bill? Bush would have signed it too – so the president is not as important as Congress on this issue.

If we secure the border first, then we can go from there. We can come up with a truly temporary worker program (no opportunity for citizenship) to deal with the people that are here now AFTER we build the fence and have the governors certify it.

Let’s let him build the fence and secure the border first. Then we can bridge the gap about the people already here in context of entitlement spending. Likely create a temporary worker program where they never get citizenship but get deported if they are caught without having signed up for the temporary worker program.

My point is that lets let him secure the border first – that’s what he said he understands now. That would be a GREAT first step, then lets go from there.

Even Clinton the First didn’t cut social spending. He lowered the deficit by significantly reducing military spending. After all, the Soviet Union was gone, so history stopped and we haven’t had any enemies since, right? And there isn’t even the slightest hint at anyone building their militaries up that might not like us, right? Troll-la-la…..

Our current system may very well just have to collapse before we get to hit the reset.

Next huge Medicare cost is fraud. Pick your own number but start at 33 billion annually. Want to get rich with your own Medical Center. Start out advertising powered wheel chairs on T.V. for free if not covered by Medicare. Needy Medicare beneficiary notifies you they want the chair, you send them the chair, and you now have all the information you need to bill Uncle Sam for this beneficiary on a reoccurring basis. What might they now have: a heart condition, or diabetes, or one of a thousand ambulatory diseases, what ever, but now they are a patient of your Medical Center.

So what’s the first step. Reduce the benefits to those who paid into the program, or deport illegals using our Medicare resources, or getting after fraud, or more Bush fear mongering.

On February 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, Alphonse said:
Is a conservative someone who wants to cut spending, or someone who wants to cut taxes? I have always been suspicious that the latter are just cheap.

Both…the problem is it’s easier to cut taxes….something that maybe half the voters actually want, than it is to cut spending, something almost no voters want if it in any way effects them.

In theory, cutting taxes should force spending cuts, but through the magic of deficent spending, we get where we are today, $9,400,000,000,000 in stated debt, with abour $48,000,000,000,000 in “unfunded mandates”, promises made that there is no money to keep.

There is no solution, except that eventually the system will collapse, with great pain to moost of us…and we will reset, pick up the pieces, and start over.

Just because the government blew this money and now needs to provide it to those that paid into it for their entire careers doesn’t mean that anyone is undeserving…rather, it just shows how entirely irresponsible Congress has been in the past.

Seriously, some one give me a good reason why I should continue to pay Social Security (other than the fact that it is automatically deducted from my earnings)….we all know I’ll never see a dime of it EVER.