The latest on the siege at Berkeley
In case you missed all the most recent developments in the siege at Berkeley, check here.
Move America Forward and GOP Sen. Jim DeMint have tirelessly taken up the cause. Check out his website, www.jimdemint.com He sums up the outrage well:
Berkeley, California is probably a very nice place to live, but the recent action of their City Council has consequences. To spit in the eyes of the United States Marine Corps will not stand. We shouldn’t allow cities to play silly games at our troops’ expense — during a time of war — and continue to shower them with special taxpayer handouts.
That is why I will propose legislation rescinding Berkeley’s earmarks and transferring the funds to the Marine Corps.
Over $2 million was secretly tucked away for Berkeley earmarks in the 2008 Omnibus Appropriations bill. These were projects that were never even voted on or debated. Two of the earmarks provide gourmet school lunches in the Berkeley School District, while our hard working Marines eat basic MRE’s.
Let me be clear, my bill does not make the rescission of these earmarks contingent upon the Council changing its decision, or any future action. It does not cut off all Federal funds to the City of Berkeley.
Meanwhile, the Marines will continue to bring peace, security, and freedom to the citizens of Berkeley, whether they like it or not. There is a well known slogan outside the Marine Air Base in Beaufort, SC warning passersby of the jets’ loud noises. The slogan says, “The noise you hear is the sound of freedom.”
The irony is the Marines are glad to do it and that is why most Americans are so proud of them.
If you haven’t watched the video of the Berkeley City Council meeting, you need to see it.
Go here.
You can hear Berzerkeley City Council members and Mayor Tom Bates inveighing that “Marines are the President’s own gangsters… they are trained killers.” Another councilmember by phone then says that the Marines are known for “death and destruction…and maiming” and they give America “horrible karma.” At around 1:08-ish into the video, Councilman Gordon Wozniak provides the only sane moment in opposing Code Pink’s special privileges. His statement runs about four minutes. Make sure to watch the whole thing.
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Paging Boxer and Feinstein…hello, why does it take a Senator from SC, to do you’re job? why voters here have elected those two is digusting. wake up Cal.
I am assuming these people are still on drugs. Insanity runs rampant in Berkeley.
It is beyond my comprehension that people can actually feel this way about our military. We wouldn’t be free country without them. Our gratitude should be unending.
Guess the hippies in Berkeley will find out that we will not allow another disgraceful mistreatment of our troops like in the ’60’s. This time, we will fight back.
Exactly aj. And where’s the governor and Pelosi? I’ve been asking that since all this started. I have always assumed silence implies agreement.
You would think with Feinstein’s military contracts, she would be in favor of a Bill that gives more money to the Marines. Of course her version would have the money paid directly to her.
check out the top right corner of that picture.
Too late, AJ – there’s more of them than there are of us out here. Moonbattery seems to be centralized around the “California Triangle” – San Francisco-Marin County-Berkeley. Remember, this is also the home of Stark-Raving-Mad and Madame Speaker Pelosi(Red Star Rising). I make it a practice to filter my water – don’t want to take any chances with something in the water.
This is not true. Kids are not getting fois gras. DeMint is .. (euphemism for lying).
The citizens of Berkeley feel that the Marines violate basic human rights by excluding homosexuals. Why should they tolerate that?
Berkeley has contributed more to the US national defense through technology invented at the universty and Lawrence Berkeley Lab than DeMint’s entire state of South Carolina.
The contrast between Berkley, CA and patriotic cities like Oviedo, Florida could not be more striking. Berkley expresses nothing but venom and animus towards our military while Oviedo pulls together the entire community to all to honor fallen hero, 24 year old Army Staff Sgt. Robert J. Miller.
These comments about Marines aren’t new. I once was told the Elenor Roosevelt allegadly made the comment thet Marines were nothing more then over sexed, teenaged, baby killers. So when it comes to Liberals, this is nothing new as the apple really doesn’t fall far from the tree.
#7 once again comes out of the tree he lives in to leave a comment.
#7
And they locked up Britney in the looney bin…….
……These clowns should have cut back on the LSD back in the 60’s
lgm –
You’re too little, too late. No amount of excuses from you is going to change the damage the city council has done.
Doing your buddy in the butt, or giving some random hunk in the bathroom a BJ is not a “basic human right.” Especially if you’re an active-duty officer in the middle of a war. I’m sorry if you don’t see it that way.
Sorry to be crude – just had to say that way to make my point.
They should tolerate it because the king of their cause, BIlly Clinton, was responsible for excluding homosexuals. Marines follow orders. You are arguing out of your arse to say the very least. Libby’s, got always point out the simple facts to them.
Part of the Miltary member’s oath of office is to obey the orders of their superior officers (commander in chief being one of them). Don’t ask, don’t tell was instituted by the Clinton administration.
Following orders is one of the things that our military personnel do very well. If the CIC were to tell them to accept openly gays in the Marines, that order would be followed to the letter.
Your fighting the wrong people here berkley. The Marines have faced a lot tougher opposition than a bunch of old hippies and not retreated.
I wonder if Berkeley would like an ad campaign showing a comparsion between their fair city and say, Fallujah, another city that tried to keep the Marines out. Not saying Berkeley is like Fallujah. Quite the opposite. Marines are now welcome guests in Fallujah with city halls, police stations, monuments and streets named in their honor. None of which you will see in Berkeley.
ref LGM’s remarks.
It is also true that the Airforce, Army, Navy, Coast Guard, etc do not permit homosexuals. It is not the Marine Corp you stupid jerk. Congress has mandated what the armed forces do. Get real. You must live in La La land.
The Marines have done more for this Nation than any other Corporattion, Organization, City or State. Marines have served in every major U.S. naval action since 1775, usually being the first or among the first to fight. They have given us our freedom and retained our freedom even before some States were even States and Cities before they were Cities, a debt of gratitude is owed by every American, they have been protecting all American’s before the United States was officially the United States. “Do not ask, Do not tell” the Marines tolerate all sexual preferencs, races and religions.
Okay, lgm. If a sitting U.S. senator doesn’t know what he is talking about here from his perusal of the gigantic omnibus bill, what did your research show that the $2,000,000.00 goes to fund?
Simply saying, “This is not true” will not cut it. Tell us specifically what it did go to fund, if not what the senator notes.
Please don’T Feed the trolls. This is just another example of drive-by trollism
Oh yea,I Forgot
Hmmm… if the citizens of Berkeley feel that the Marines violate basic human rights by excluding homosexuals and that is their reason for wanting them out of Berkeley, why are they saying things like…”Marines are the President’s own gangsters… they are trained killers.” and “death and destruction…and maiming”?
The Marines did not create the don’t ask, don’t tell policy. It was created by the United States Congress and signed into law by the Clinton Administration. The Marine Corps did not make the policy and has no option to end the policy. It is public law. Protesting the Marine recruiting office because you don’t approve a a federal law is stupid.
Only one thing to say-flippig morons.Best thing to do-cut off all federal funding.
I can’t help feeind them, sometimes. It irritates me to no end when they jump in and spout crap without anything to back it up.
feeind = feeding……..
Need more coffee, now.
Dear Senator DeMint,
It’s nice that you see part of the big picture and see the need to limit funds to the city of Berkeley, however those funds that you intend to limit come out of my hard labor. They come from the sweat of my brow not yours! I would like to ask you senator why is it you are entitled to spend more of my paycheck than I am? I agree with sending some of my paycheck to the Marines as they are tasked with the defense of the country, a legitimate government duty, however stealing my paycheck to pay welfare frauds in New Orleans or Detroit, or any city is stealing and not a legitimate function of government. This action of yours does not impress me senator, when you realize that stealing a citizens paycheck for anything other than the defense of the country is illegitmate I will then support you.
A Citizen
behiker,
It’s because liberals can’t keep their own arguments straight.
They are against the military. Well, not against the military just the war. They support the troops by not supporting the troops. Gays should be allowed in the military. But I thought you were against the military. They argue themselves into a corner and the only thing left is more lies and ad hominem attacks. It’s sad.
I know, I know. Don’t feed the troll. But sometimes, you just have to make an attempt to reach out.
If they find it so intolerable, why are they not attacking Bill Clinton since he was the one who brought in this policy in the first place?
And violating human rights? What about the rights of the people that were trying to go into the Recruiting Station of their own free will and were physically blocked by Code Pink? Are their rights less important in your eyes? Does Freedom of Speech and Assembly only apply to people you approve of?
The military as a whole has not forbidden homosexuals from serving. Yes, I disagree with the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. I think it was wrong, especially since we need every able bodied person who is willing to serve. But it’s up to the CIC to change it.
Berkeley has contributed more to the US national defense through technology invented at the university and Lawrence Berkeley Lab than DeMint’s entire state of South Carolina.
South Carolina has MCRD Parris Island and California has MCRD San Diego. Sounds to me like they have contributed the kind of people who helped make those things happen.
igm is probably right about the kids not getting gourmet food. The program probably hasn’t been started yet. LOL. It’s part of the 2008 omnibus appropiations bill. Don’t worry once the money is there and the program set up, you can surely bet that they’ll be getting the food, unless they steer the money elsewhere.
Sorry Cpodug. I knew once I hit send that the loser would feed off of it. To make it up, I promise to find a way to add to my carbon footprint today.
:Soap hands Barry F. a pass
Don’t get used to it. Troll Feeding only make one Totally Frustrated and will not be Tolerated For long!
Can’t bring myself to watch the video as I am eating lunch.
The homosexual issue is a “RED” herring…the government could accomodate all of these socialist’s moral issues, and it wouldn’t matter. All they want is the complete elimination of the military…just ask them! “Would you be happy if the U.S. completely disbanded all military organizations?” I’ll bet they would answer with a resounding, “YES!”
As we all know, in a truly Islamist World, these idiots would be the first to be killed. Not because of their so called moral stance, and not because of their liberal nature, but because these are the ones who disrupt! And, history shows, Sharia Law DEMANDS absolute compliance.
By the troll’s logic, Berkeley would then be able to ban from its city limits Catholic churches/schools, Orthodox Jewish synagogues, mosques, and evangelical churches. Heck, why not just quiz every individual resident on his views of homosexuality. If the answers are not liberal enough, toss the folks into the re-education camps.
It’s all a canard anyway. The real problem these Maoists have is with the military in general, not with gay rights.
Huh?
Soap,
Smart move. Listening to Gordon Wozniak isn’t so bad. But when the CP’s get up there and spout their dessicated commentary it’s enough to make you sick. These people really do live in a parallel universe. They think they are helping.
30 pcs – they are completely composed of anti-matter
30,
I love the circular reasoning post. You nailed it! Painting themselves into a corner is translated into liberalism as: ART
Time to go to:
Our Marines and watch the ad….and
West Point- USMA – to see the faces of future officers:
OKaaaaaaaaaa!
AFAcademy
Naval Academy
CG Academy …..too!
Barry,
It is not the function of government to take what one earns as our government does. We have been conditioned by years of government abuse of them stealing our paychecks that most of us don’t questiion this practice anymore. It’s nice of the good senator to tell berkeley that he wants to withhold funds from the city but those funds are not his to withhold, they come out of our paychecks and hard labor.
lgm, back under the bridge and stay there.
Ahh. Okay. The letter got a little confusing for me.
While I agree with you on the government staying out of our wallets, I do like Sen. DeMint introducing legislation to strip earmarks from Berkley and give it to the USMC, since the government is currently more hip-deep in our wallets than are we. However, I am not holding my breath that he will be too successful in getting it done in a Democrat controlled Congress.
Folks … I would ask all of you to now go all the way back to the troll comment (#7) … please notice that as usual it is a drive by attack … (1) post something ridiculous … (2) get a rise out of someone to start the rebuttals … (3) hijack the topic of the thread and misdirect the comments … (4) then disappear …
This is why many of us say “Don’t Feed the Trolls” …
Right you are, DesertLover.
(1) post something ridiculous … check
(2) get a rise out of someone to start the rebuttals … check check
(3) hijack the topic of the thread and misdirect the comments … check
(4) then disappear … big check
Sorry for feeding the troll, y’all. I promise to compensate by punching two hippies today.
ROFLMAO
LOL four
Cameron asked (#27):
Just for fun, go to Berkeley and see what the good citizens there think about “Don’t ask, don’t tell” and about the President who created that policy. You will get some language you don’t want your kids to hear.
Step (1) … check
Two Fer… check
I live in Seattle, so I could probably find four on my lunch break alone.
I will bet you couldn’t swing a dead cat and NOT hit four!
Would ya look at that, folks.
He came back once.
#50 – Don’t worry – just another case of DBT – “Drive-by Trollism”
It’s what you call a troll & run.
It’s sort of like a hit & run. In the latter, you may actually suffer some damage. But, in the troll & run, the worst they can do with their uninformed and baseless bloviations is annoy the crap out of you.
Isn’t there something in the “Terms of Use” about:
“not interfere unduly with anyone else’s enjoyment of the site”?
Back on point – the Marines have never lost a fight, and I don’t expect them to now. I have all the respect in the world for the Marines, and I can’t think of anybody I’d rather have standing beside me when the going gets rough. Interservice rivalry stops here. Support our Marines!
I decided to embark on a little journey to see how this appropriations stuff works. It took a little digging, but here’s some relevant information. The omnibus bill included $243,000 for
So I did a little more digging on the Chez Panisse Foundation and the school lunch initiative (SLI).
The SLI is a four-year program; one year has been completed. 327 students in four schools have participated in the initiative. It has yielded many valuable insights including:
(1) Students in schools with salad bars eat more vegetables.
(2) Food must be presented in an appealing fashion for children to want to eat it.
(3) Students who have been participated in gardening classes have a better understanding of which foods are healthy and which are not.
(4) If you pay for “gardening” and “cooking” teachers, you will have more “gardening” and “cooking” classes available.
And yes, the menus include sushi, foccacia, tofu, etc.
Now, I’m sure that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other examples in that monstrous bill, but you know what? I think that this is as good a place as any to start, so kudos to Senator DeMint!
…and a hearty shout-out to our brave men and women who serve our country so very admirably.
Maybe its time that the OG’s do a drive-bye on Berkeley, and show these punk-bitches how the true American Gangstas roll! Just keepin it real ya’ll.
Holla!
Posse Out!
“Just for fun, go to Berkeley….”
I would never ever got to Berkely “just for fun”…
Back in the day, I spent a lot of time in Berkeley, and the bay area. The people were liberal then, but not the ugly, intolerant, violent jerks that dominate now.
“Fun” is not the operative word when I think of Berkeley… try “sick”!
Then why are they framing the debate around violence and war mongering:
i.e. “Marines are the President’s own gangsters… they are trained killers.”
Then tell me why the loons are not down at the University protesting the military and all that contribute to its “barbaric ways”
lgm, you have lost your ever-fringin-mind
You know, cpodug, you’re point is absolutely right. The Marines aren’t exactly know for losing. I’m just fearful that they may not be permitted to fight if Washington does as Washington is.
It is entirely possible that someone up the food chain might decide that discretion is the better part of valor here, which is wrong.
I believe 100% in the asinine nature of the Berkeley council position. I believe the Marines could quite easily prevail legally if allowed to fight. What we do not know is how the Pentagon or the White House may choose to act in this matter. They may lose the fight for the Marines.
Barry #52,
Is that anything like drive by management? ’cause I get that alot.
You would win that bet, sir. There are at least that many in my office. On this floor, actually.
Sorry, that was cpodug in #51.
My bad. (Dilbert fan, too?)
SHoward – yup – and drive-by management doesn’t just exist in the business world. We can see examples of it every day in the gummint at all levels. We didn’t lose Vietnam. It was lost for us right here, by all the DBMs – pre-Dilbert.
Kind of yes and kinda no, SHoward.
“Drive by management” have at least been given some sort of authority, besides what is in their own mind, that causes us to have to listen to them.
With the troll & run, we can choose to avoid them. Unfortunately, that takes a little more restraint than I can muster on a regular basis.
Right there with ya, cpodug.
I have a co-worker that believes we did lose Vietnam, so I did a little researchin’ to see what I could dig up. Come to find out, while each and every man there seemed to fight pretty well, we never really quite fought as a people. We didn’t commit off the bat like we really meant it.
The forces on the ground were perfectly capable, and according to at least one first-person account, the VC didn’t win any hearts among the people, they ‘won them over’ by fear and intimidation.
Then the political left at home said we couldn’t win.
Then we just left.
Hey, wait a minute, up until that last part, it sorta sounds like Iraq….Naaa, must just be me.
SHoward – want some ammo? Check out “To Set The Record Straight” (Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler).
Yeah. We couldn’t possibly be on track to try and repeat history, since we should have learned the first time around. *sigh*
#41 & #42:
I recognized #7 – when face to face I shake my head, turn away, and say -”You’re not worth my time.”
Now I can smile
, Picture a TROLL, and say, “You’re a waste of my time.”
Being fairly new at this-I didn’t know what a “troll” was til today.
Again: thanks for helping to educate a “new-be”.
Hi everyone … I’m back … work called there for a while …
I personally have friends that lived in Berkeley (I think we should change the spelling to “Burqah-ley” myself) and some that still do …
The University is a problem unto itself … and for the most part the students there are a bunch of sheep that have been indoctrinated that unless they protest something … anything … they are not really Cal students …
As for the research … sure … lot of that goes on there … but that is in the labs and post graduate areas … not the underclass students … so it is not truly reflective of the area …
And most of the citizens of “B” are living in the big homes on the hillsides … they are rather insulated from, and disinterested in, the day-to-day things that the moonbat city council does because it doesn’t really affect them at all …
I would appreciate anyone living in that area letting me know if that has changed in the last 40 years or so …
#7 apparently has issues with DeMint sensationalizing this, but not the (euphemism for lying) done by Code Pink and the Berkeley City Council.
Nice double standard, from an individual who takes great pleasure in pointing out what he (she?) perceives as double standards on a regular basis.
What nonsense. How sickening it is to hear the soldiers defamed in this way. Our soldiers sacrifice their lives to protect the rights of these idiots to spout their pathetic nonsense. It is staggering what ingrateful cowards these people are.
#71….They don’t think they need a military to protect them because if they
ruled the country, everything would be rosy. All over the planet, peace would
reign because liberals were in charge in the US. Everyone would hold hands
and sing kumbaiya and never see the suicide bombers sneaking up behind
them.
reply to #69
Actually, the students at UC are way beyond taking their professors seriously. While they might parrot the professors in their papers or exams, they don’t follow the party line. Also, the schools at UC that have the most applicants are the business, engineering and architectural schools all of which are very non-political. This is a case where the students are more practical than their teachers. the city council is another story. Out of touch in an exponential degree doesn’t begin to describe them, but they are a joke to most of the bay area. When a story about them is on the news, the talking heads always smile and shake their heads as if to say “what should we expect, it’s Berkeley.”
TXRose, you’re absolutely right!
Why, didn’t Booooosh create the suicide bombers?
And didn’t Clinton have sooo much success bringing peace and love to the universe? Unless, of course, you’re a janitor at an aspirin factory…..
/sarc off
Yep, they truly believe that if they were in charge, everybody would love us so much that we wouldn’t have to worry any more. (no sarc, they really must believe that….)
Well, they did get one thing right, the Marines ARE trained killers, of our countries worst enemies that is. The Marines can be your best friend or your worst enemy, we clearly see which Berkeley chose. That said, you’d think they’d know better than to mess with a trained killer? FOOLS.
With all due respect, don’t ever call a Marine a soldier. To the Marines, them’s fighting words! We in the Navy have other names for them, but NEVER soldier!
In all seriousness, every service has its own proud history and traditions, and we’re duly respectful of the traditions and history of our sister services. And, in times like this, we are one.
BTW, thanks for the advice, cpodug. I thought the title rang a bell, and when I looked it up I was reminded.
Topic? — I thought earlier that I may have strayed off topic a bit to talk about a similarity between Vietnam and Iraq (post #65). But after some careful consideration, and a fuller belly, I realized — What is happening in Berzekistan right now is exactly the kind of thing that happened back then.
It is so clear to me now. (Keep in mind that I was born near the end of the Vietnam war, so I didn’t witness the events personally.) The idiots in Berkeley are rehashing the past. They are fighting the same battles all over again.
The only reason it may get any airtime, besides it’s disgusting nature in and of itself, is that many people alive today do not rememeber what really happened back then.
People like my co-worker tend to believe what the media tells them. He may be a smart guy, and he is, but he is the product of many years of working for the government.
Many people are worse — they fail to think for themselves (troll-la-la). The discussion of giving Vietnam away is still relavent to the current discussion, becasue we still aren’t done in Iraq, and if we give away any homefront to the idiot left (Berkeley), we may still ‘give this one away.’
Sorry about the long wind, everyone.
Slightly OT, but not that much – SHoward – read this and feel good again.
cpodug #76
And we Marines have a few other names for sailors as well …
… but don’t ever let members of some other service get in the middle of sailors and marines ribbing each other when both are present … because they will find out that they just took them both on at the same time … 
DL – ain’t it the truth!
Several other people have written about the disgusting silence of the candiates; we expect it from the Democrats, and we also have silence from the Republican candiates, as well as from the Governor of California, and from the President. I guess the anti-Americans at Berkeley saw that no one was enforcing the law re sanctuary cities, so they figured they could get away from this. I congratulate Sen. DeMint, but this activity in Berkeley is anti-American, and the Republican and Democratic parties as a whole have both shown they don’t care one bit about it.
So true, so very true.
That headline almost makes it sound like a military operation. Those clowns in Berzerkistan would probably wet themselves if faced by a real military force like our Marines.
JS, those clowns wet themselves at the sight of the safety patrol. The local high school ROTC could take over Berzerkely. I’m surprised the pregnant illegal alien women haven’t siezed control of city hall.
In #7, lgm said:
Then he/she says in #46:
So he/she knew this all along, and still couldn’t resist the ignorant statement in the earlier statement?
Now THAT is a classic troll: pop your pointy little head out for a second, lob a stink bomb, then scurry back into your burrow and hide.
Nice. /sarc
lgm said:
I am quite sure that the Berkeley City Council had little to do with it. In fact, if they could, I would wager that they would find away to try to stop that as well.
re: Exclusion of homosexuals in the Marine Corps;
As a former squad leader (Vietnam era) combat Marine I can tell you with all candor that you do NOT want any homosexual entanglements in the field, as this will cause a breakdown of the group dynamic which is your best weapon, and your surest way to stay alive when the steel starts flying.
Success in small unit engagements, in particular, depend on a group loyalty, and would suffer in their efficaciousness if suborned by a “I must protect my lover” mentality. And please, don’t belabor me with allusions to Attic Greeks and the Trojans…
Excellent points, magicky.
The problem concerning this particular issue is that history ended in 1992, according to the left, anyway. That means it’s time to stop all this nonsense about unit cohesion and combat effectiveness and start social experiments with the military as the unwilling guinea pigs.
C’mon, man. Clinton ended all that silly need for effective combat forces. Just ask the trolls…..
/sarc off.
Wow. The resident troll actually answered me. Of course it wasn’t a real answer; just a quick sentence that ignored the points I brought up. But it’s like I earned some bonus points here.
Now, if you’d like to be treated less as a troll and more as a human being, how about actually providing reasoned arguments instead of talking about what horrors might await folks in Berkeley? I’m still waiting for your answer about the violations of free speech and free assembly that Code Pink committed.
I cannot watch the whole thing. At one points to the most disgusting comments get made by the Mayor?
Cameron, I’ve discovered that expecting complete answers or complete arguements is a bit too much to ask sometimes. It doesn’t matter how logical, reasoned, and even nice you are, if the troll does pop back up you can bet you won’t get much reason as a response.
He is usually respectful, at least. Just not too bright. Troll-la-la….
What can I say? I’m an optimist by nature. The Corps never beat that out of me.
Just an interesting aside. I called the City Councilmen offices and most of the time I got an answering machine message.
The following members have inflated options of themselves: Maio, Spring and Moore. All used the first person plural, We, when referring to themselves. Imperious twits the lot.