Is the GOP lost?
The question will be discussed on Thursday at CPAC: “Is the GOP lost?”
Having to ask the question answers it, don’t you think?
No need to wait for the session. Discuss amongst yourselves. Meantime, here’s the info on who’ll be participating. Coburn’s a McCain guy; DeMint is a Romney guy. Should be a noteworthy session.
Congressman Thaddeus McCotter, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee will be a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Convention (CPAC), the largest gathering of conservative leaders and political activists in the nation.
At CPAC Chairman McCotter will be having a frank discussion on “Is the GOP Lost?,” and the direction of the Party. Rep. McCotter, a member of the House Republican Leadership team, will be sharing the stage with some of his Congressional colleagues such as Sen. Tom Coburn (OK), Sen. Jim DeMint (SC) and Rep. Jeff Flake (AZ).
WHO: Congressman Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI)
Chairman, House Republican Policy CommitteeWHAT: Panel discussion at Conservative Political Action Convention (CPAC) debating “Is the GOP Lost?”
WHEN: Thursday, Feb. 7, 2008
1:35 PM – 2:00 PMWHERE: Conservative Political Action Convention (CPAC)
Omni Shoreham Hotel, Regency Ballroom
2500 Calvert Street, NW, Washington, D.C.
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The GOP is not lost if it means Big Government, more spending, higher deficits, and more entitlements.
The parties continue to merge. Differences are mainly words these days; philosophies that don’t translate into actions.
There is one party in Washington: The Elite Incumbent Party. They’re going to win this year’s presidential election and they’ll hold on to nearly every seat in the next congressional elections. Guaranteed.
We need leadership that has sadly been lacking for years now.
Where is our leader ? The one who can ignite the conservatives ?
After hearing McCain “spinning” what Romney said about Bob Dole, I’m just completely at a loss. The people McCain is surrounding himself with is troublesome,but he may well be the nominee. Maybe the Grand Old Party will be grand no more.
Given the OUTRAGE in W. Virgina today, the answer is clear.
This is a day I will never, never, never forget.
Huckabee and McCain may try to live this treachery down.
Some of you may let them. I never will.
I will remember.
I do not understand anyone who is a McCain supporter. Open Borders, gun grabber, against free speech, liar, a bit of an anger problem, corrupt and foul mouthed.
It depends on what your definition of the term “lost” is.
Then again, no it doesn’t. Any definition of “lost” would be appropriate.
I wouldn’t say lost, just temporarily misplaced.
Actually, the rise of a new conservative party has a lot of appeal for me.
Is the GOP lost?
In a word … duh.
I keep repeating the title of Phyllis Schlafley’s book over at HotAir – this year (assuming McCain’s nomination, which I think will happen), we have An Echo, Not A Choice.
Define “lost.” Does it mean “lost” as in, “Gone,” or does it mean “lost” as in “confused?”
I’d argue against the former, and for the latter.
In either event, I’d say that this one election doesn’t provide enough data to make for a meaningful answer to the question. If we’re still having arguments over who’s a “true” conservative or whether we should vote donkey just for spite in 2016 or 2020 then I’d say there’s a real case that we’ve gone back to where we were in 1932.
I think he has captured the Zeitgeist of 2008 America, puhiawa (#5).
And that treachery, Ragspierre, seems like typical politics. They’re playing to win. We might not like the technique, but it is effective. It solidifies my desire to see McCain lose.
The GOP maybe lost but atleast unlike the dems we havent sold our soul.
Lost is being nice… it is a party in name only. Like you said, if you have to ask….
I say it’s time to respectfully part ways.
I don’t think the GOP is lost. We had some excellent candidates–Thompson, Romney, Tancredo, Hunter, George Allen (before “macaca.”)
The way this primary got lost was by 1) splitting our votes among the good candidates early on, 2) being tricked into voting for Huckabee in Iowa, a candidate the MSM purposely promoted as “conservative,” but who was actually extremely liberal and sleazy, and 3) overly criticizing the conservative candidates, such as Romney and Thompson, by comparing him nostalgicly to a mythical Reagan who was never really even a true conservative and who was a liberal on border security (2 Supreme Court libs and a horrendous amnesty of 2.8 million).
The GOP is not lost. We had a lot of great things come from President Bush: 2 conservative Supreme Court justices and the willingness to take the war on terror abroad. This primary seems lost, though.
The way it got off track is by thinking that we have to get the Hispanic vote by amnesty. But even Reagan believed that.
Maybe we need a candidate like the ‘maverick’ who loves the media and ‘reaches out’ to the other side to get absolutely brutalized by the Dems and Media as soon as he’s nominated for those dumbasses to learn that McCain and company are the wrong way for the party to go?
Yes
All in all, this years CPAC should be a lot of fun. Hopefully our speakers will keep the name calling to an absolute minimum.
If the GOP hasn’t been lost, it surely has been kicked in the teeth and maybe deservedly so. I predict it will take at least 8 more years before the GOP gets its groove back, if then. Seriously, think about the number of Republicans retiring from the House and the number of incumbents who are at risk in the next election. It’s going to be an interesting ride, folks.
I wasn’t around in 1932, Regulus (#9), but it seems like we’re perilously close to that macabre time politically. I have always thought of that election as the date that would live in infamy for American politics.
Since that time, Leviathan has never been questioned, except rhetorically. No one has seriously challenged the notion that Roosevelt’s legacy isn’t the answer to our ills. Those that do, like a Ron Paul, bring too much idiotic (and ideological) baggage with them. Reagan gave it lip service, but even he couldn’t stop it.
The GOP can find itself when it can convince a majority of Americans that its message is right and good for us all. Until that time, hanging their hat on being the party that will give you a little less from the larder than the Dems is hardly a winning message.
We’re a frigging spoiled nation. Pain is probably the only thing that can shake us awake. You would think that 9/11 would have done that. It will probably take a severe economic downturn to cause us to wake up.
Maybe the demise of the USSR was not such a good thing for the world.
Oh yeah! It’s lost! It can be recovered but only at the grass roots level. We should be active at the local level to get young, conservatives elected. We had one here in Missouri in Gov. Blunt but he obviously got fed up with the dishonesty in politics as he is not running for a second term.
We also need a better educated public and the only way we will get that is with outspoken conservatives who aren’t afraid of the media. Who are willing to be outspoken about their beliefs and willing to speak out loudly against liberals.
i am a conservative first and a republican second. in my opinion, the republican party continues to move to the left. i see no difference in the liberals (d) and the liberals (r). doesn’t matter to me, you are a liberal, McCain and Huckabee. i am a conservative.
so my answer is, i hope so especially when we conservatives get up and walk away from your selected leftist candidate.
a picture paints a thousand words McPain and the republican party: you are the company you keep.
I agree. “Reaching out” and compromising conservative principles will get us destroyed in the election.
We need someone who is not afraid to take on the MSM, such as what Rush Limbaugh or Laura Ingraham do every day, and who is able to communicate conservative principles, just as they do so effectively. President Bush treated the MSM way too nicely. Also, the GOP needs to run a lot of negative ads and be ruthless, just like the Dems.
A “civilized election” will benefit the Dems, just like it did in 1996.
I don’t think it is lost, but it is the bottom of the 8th. No credible candidates except Hunter & Tancredo, only a handful of senators opposing McCain Kennedy * one of them let himself be caught up in scandal, mealy-mouthed candiates who avoid positions on tough issues & just issue syrupy pronoucements, badmouthing honest hardworking taxpapers while a semi-Socialist government is redistributing their earnings to victims, many of whom are to lazy to get a job — not lost yet, but pretty close!
I don’t think lost for good, but they may have lost this voter in the presidential elections if McNasty is the nominee (I will vote local and state–I don’t stay home).
Personally, I am not satisfied at all, with the list of candidates we have today. They all seem to spout the same old theme: more government interference, more government spending. “We need to fix this, we need to fix that”, which usually means more taxes. The GOP needs a strong candidate who insists on less spending, and less regulation of industries/businesses. 1/2 my work day is spent working with paperwork to keep the State and Federal governments happy, instead of with my patients. Regulation has made healthcare soar in price. Deregulate and watch the economy soar. Cut spending and taxes and have a happy population and economy. The GOP needs, too, to have a very strong illegal immigration policy; not this nonsense about a “fence” and low paid, unsupported border patrol. Give us a candidate that stands at the podium and says “no federal money for cities/states that deliberately harbor illegals, regardless of origin.” Bipartisianship means the liberals win. “Just say no”.
Lost as in gone, no, lost as in the RNC losing its way, yes, very much so.
Conservatism in America suffers from too great a percentage of amoral leaders.
This includes the likes of Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Mike Huckabee and lindsey Graham, they’re only interested in the perception morality not of the acting moral.
We foolishly trusted our leaders and they of course naturally stabbed us in the back.
There are a great many Conservatives in this country we just need a righteous movement to lead, direct and follow.
The GOP is not lost, it is alive and well and bending to every whim and desire of the left. The republican party is in the same boat. What is lost is any true Conservative movement in this nation and a return to the prospects of a Constitutional Republic and not the mob-rule of a wannabe democracy!
IMHO
We will never convince a majority of Americans that the GOP is right for them. The voters are so used to getting all they want, via mom, dad, and finally the government they do not want to give up one single perk. “Sam” is giving them what they want, via Rep. and Dem’s. It breaks my heart to see MY party caving in like this and THEY are all seem to be doing it. Our country will not survive. No country can survive with the mentality of the voters we have now. Just a question, how many voters can tell you how many branches of government we have, and better yet, how many care? That folks is what we are up against. GIVE TO Me, to heck with the country.
L.
Perfect Timing Speakup! A resurgence of Conservatism is what is needed to put this Nation back on track!
Draft Newt.
DougT
I understand bare-knuckle politics.
This is far, far beyond that.
It is good for one thing only (that I can think of)…
Huckabee’s true colors are on display for all to see.
McCain’s hunger for power…rivaling every cell that lust in Hillary Clinton…is exposed to the harsh glare of truth.
Right now, the GOP is comprised of “Reclubicans”, not Republicans. It is an insider’s club, that continues to believe what they dictate is what their base should believe.
C;ear evidence of the club mentality can be seen in the club circling the wagons around “The Man Whose Turn It Is To Run” and telling everyone to shut up, grow up or get real.
It seems the Republican Party is like the MSM in this regard – the fact that people now have access to real time and real information rather what the party dictates seems to confound them. Illegal immigration is a hot button with over 80% of their members, yet they continue to push an agenda of amnesty.
The only way I see to break up the club mentality is to break up the club. Term limits would have gone a long way to ridding the party if “indiseritis”. but that does not look like it is going to happen. The only solution left to the base is to replace the insiders with outsiders, since they cannot seem to help themselves when they achieve the comfy status of incumbent. And that affliction causes them to become deaf to the voices of their constituents, only hearing the voices of other members of the club.
If McCain is the nominee, and happens to win the general election, this penchant for cover up and denial will turn America against the party. With no one willing to call McCain on some of his outlandish decisions (which is sure to happen), the GOP will appear to all America as a band of tottering old fools. I see a McCain presidency as a crippling blow to the GOP. Which means the Democrats will not only have a long term future in the executive office, they will also dominate both houses of Congress for the forseeable future.
McCain is the right man at the right time – for the Democrats.
The GOP is lost. It used to be conservative in it’s philosophy and deed, and now it’s populist. Giving people the things they want and protecting them from any problem, large and small, is the way to a totalitarian state. It is the way of the elitist with no faith in the ability of the individual.
The conservative is confident in the country, himself and his fellow man. He believes the best things and the best problem solving come from people working for their own self interest rather than a government mandate or program.
The GOP has lost this idea of personal liberty to try and be all things for all people, and in doing so became nothing to anyone.
I have a strong feeling we’re lost. We’ll know for sure by the end of today.
I am on board with everything DougT has said in this thread. we need to hit rock bottom and start over with a new party. The problem with that is we will have to go through a rebellion, WWIV and a complete subversion of our culture and society first.
Yes, I am very disheartened. We republicans will have done it to ourselves. Has no one been paying attention? I will no longer call myself a republican after this election.
Nah, the GOP is as strong as ever, it’s just that now it’s a Ghetto of Obfuscating Progressives.
Give them hell at CPAC!
GOP? RIP.
It would seem to be a thing of the past, at least as conservatives know it.
Great time to start a new political party based on values and conservatism, because it appears there isn’t one in the US right now.
No, the media and establishment are lost not conservatives. They both are impatient, the picture is fuzzy, the electorate divided. The people are thinking for themselves, in spite of what they have been told, the nerve! This is not the way it is supposed to be, stop it now this is all too confusing for their wittle reporter brains. It is coming down to Romney vs the two headed monster of McHucklestein.
I hope every conservative who speaks…Rips the disgusting Liberal McCain a new one at every corner.
In Fact..I hope everyone gets up and walks out when McLame takes the stage.
The GOP has always been controlled by the country club set content to pay “vig” to the Dems in return for a place at the trough. Conservatism was just an annoyance to them. Something to be exploited and then dumped at the appropriate time. Traitors all. There will be a reckoning for these people and their Socialist allies.
From the GOP website – I read this years ago and took it to heart. Have we lost these principles?
The Republicans are merely confused. They’ve forgotten their first principles.
But since when have politicians ever been consistent?
Collin
http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
It is a perfect time for CPAC, no?
Conservative ACTION now, please!
If you ever wondered why McCain appeals to the left, read the Seattle Times endorsement of McCain last Sunday. Here are a few highlights:
They actually think he may get us out of Iraq, despite his recent comments about staying in Iraq 100 years. Apparently, they don’t believe what he says either.
What better reasons not to vote for McCain? The Seattle Times endorsement confirms my previous views that McCain would ruin the GOP.
No the GOP is not lost, they are freakin Blind
and I should know, their blind to what there bases ideology and principles are.
When the Gingrich Revolution happened, “everyone” was saying the Democrat Party was dead and some saying they would cease to exist in a few years. The Republican Party is not at its best, but it will recover. Should Romney win the nomination and the Presidency, it remains relevant and can work from there. Should McCain win or Romney not win the Presidency, there will be another “Gingrich” Revolution because we’ll be repeating the Clinton years (even if it’s President Obama) that spawned the original.
We don’t need a new party, just new leaders. You don’t tear down a good building because of bad tenants. Unfortunately, there are many in this Party who are satisfied with the present leaders; otherwise, the McCains, etc., wouldn’t survive the primaries.
I still like John Bolton best of all. Pity he’s not a candidate.
Let’s draft him.
neo-connette
I am very much afraid that those bed-rock beliefs are strange and alien to many people who call themselves Republicans…and worse by far…those who identify themselves as some flavor of conservative.
Thank you for putting those up, and reminding us of what so many have “lost”!
I bet that the party wakes up PDQ if we remove the feeding tube…
Federalist party anyone?
Sometimes its just time to start over.
What happened in W.VA. and what the drive-by media is saying, tells me that D.C. is really afraid of the changes that Mitt Romney would make in the most dysfunctional region of America i.e., Washington D.C.!
The fact that voter machines did not show up in Los Angeles, when the mayor is on Shrillary’s “main man” list, tells me that she’s afraid of Obama, as much as Juan McCain is afraid of Romney.
Both situations redefines “suppressing the vote”!
Yes. The Republicans have lost me for good this time. I am changing my voter registration to “no affiliation”. Hopefully the democraps in disguise (aka GOP) will stop calling me for money. They have been disappointing since the impeachment of that lady’s man. And the straw that broke the camel’s back was the Shamnesty con job.
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And for my 2 cents the GOP needs a reset button, or maybe a flush handle.
I’m all for chucking the republican party and helping to form a conservative party. It’s an extreme makeover, but it’s the only way that people like McCain, Huckabee et al. can be prevented from trying to sell themselves as conservatives – either they’re conservatives or they’re not – and we’ll be the judges of what it takes to be a conservative. As republicans, they can weasel back and forth across the aisle. But there won’t be any weaseling with true, principled conservatives. Any one interested?
Sean O’
Gabe, if someone else replied and straighten you out on Reagan this will be repetitive for you. That said, Reagan did not allow 2.8 million illegals…he accepted 1 million with boarder control which did not take place…not his fault. tell the story straight unless you have another objective that the truth doesn’t fit.
As far as the judges…we cannot predict how someone will act when in a different environment…none of us can tell the future. He is far from the 1st conservative president to be betrayed by a judicial appointment.
I do agree with the 1st of 2 points of your paragraph describing what happened to the party.
Oh, by the way Bush is a liberal…good against the war and taxes…liberal with most of the rest.
The GOP is lost because they have misplaced their “morale compass” and are quickly becoming the right wing of the Democratic Party with very few exceptions. I strongly believe a new Conservative Party needs to rise from the ashes of the GOP country club good old boy network. May the Stupid Party crawl off to the elephant burial grounds never to be heard from again.
I believe that 95% of this is the saturation propoganda of the left-wing MSM, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
The brainwashing of the public is complete.
Stupid continues to happen in this country. Today on the Moderate Voice, I read that there are absentee ballots all across the country, in states that are voting today, that have been cast for candidates that are no longer on the ballots and the
powers that be cannot figure out what to do with them. They think, in one area of
NJ that the voters who cast these ballots could have a “do over.” Why don’t they just
go ahead and count them, and let it all be worked out at the conventions? No. We
must make a Florida sized deal out of this.
Then, I read that Huckabee said he had “asked God to smite Mitt Romney and to
give us loaves and fishes to help this country financially.” Someone has an empty
loony bin somewhere that is missing its inhabitant.
There goes a mouthful of wine all over the place! Goot one.
I have proudly proclaimed myself to be a Federalist by definition since I was in Junior High School and I thought I was the only one. People did not understand the history of the word thanks to our public system of
educationindoctrination.I guess we’ll know in the morning. Eh?
Well I have been a Conservative since Barry Goldwater ran in 1964 and he was the victim of the Johnson ad that implied that Barry would drop a nuclear bomb (forget that it was a democrat who is the ONLY person to ever order the dropping of a Nuke).
However I have NEVER been a Republican. I find that there is very little difference between the parties and these differences are overblown. You will see that the Democrats will come up with a budget for example that is within 2 percent of Bushes, yet we will here the debate for months about the differences.
I would love seeing people shed themselves of the yoke of political parties. I personally think they are unconstitutional and certainly form conspiracies counter to the principals of a democracy.
I want to see a populist movement that restores the principal that politicians represent the people and not the other way around.
Q: Is the GOP lost?
A: Yes.
Q: Who destroyed it?
A: According to Peggy Noonan – George W. Bush.
I agree.
He ran as a conservative and turned out to be an open borders, Islam-ignorant, one-world government, big-spending liberal, just like his father was.
I’ll go cast my vote for Romney in about an hour or so. The MSM is all but giving McCain the nod already and the polls are still open across most of the nation.
Here’s the general mentality;
I asked an older friend who is retired from teaching -
“Who are you planning to vote for this in this election?”
Her reply; “Obama”.
My question; “Why him?”
Her response; “I don’t like Hillary.”
Me; “Ok, that’s fair, but what about Obama do you endorse…his views, etc.?”
Her; Nothing. She didn’t have an answer.
There you have it!
The Republicans are trying to outdemocrat the Democrats.
Couldn’t agree more. And McCain is busily squashing any remaining life out of the party. I’m not, never have been a Republican, but I’ve always voted that way because the alternative was so much worse. Now with McCain, there is no alternative. And I didn’t notice that anybody has even thought about what will happen if he loses – I, and many, many, other conservatives, vowed never to vote for McCain. I’m afraid that a lot of McCainiacs will feel the same way about Romney. Either way, the Democrats win this election, probably the next, and with them quite possibly a filibuster-proof Senate. The GOP is looking like it will return to the dark days of the 70’s, when they barely had enough members in the House for a bridge table.
On the other hand, the early returns seem to indicate Obama is mopping the floor with Billary, so it isn’t a total loss if they get tossed on the trash heap of history. It would almost be worth the pain.
Blatant linkwhoring: Here’s my music-video metaphor for the GOP’s current condition.
Looks like the media gets it pretty good at about 1:32.
If McCain is the nominee it is not the GOP that is lost, it is the country. McCain will not beat Obama under any circumstances, as he will unite and mobilize Dems in a way that Old McCain cannot possibly do with Republicans. If Hillary is the nominee, she will trick and slime him him at every turn. As a “maverick” Republican, he has a delusional tendency to trust Democrats and is unprepared to face down the Clinton machine. I will vote for McCain in the general but am sure the Republican are going to have a long time to rebuild afer this disaster.
3rd party time. No room for conservatives in the Repub party. Only RINOs are at the top.
New party please. McCain and Huckabee not invited.
Thomas Sowell has been way ahead of the curve on this. It’s a pity that the Republican Establishment doesn’t listen to him, if it ever did. Sowell pointed out that there is a difference between the two parties: Democrats go to Washington to make deals for their constituents; Republicans go to Washington to makes deals with Democrats. Every now and then the pattern is broke, to be sure, but for the most part this has been true since the New Deal.
Republicans are a party of learned failure, scared of their own shadows, and it is long past time for them to go. Such a transition has happened before in the nation’s history, when the Republicans took over from the Whigs. It is long past time for a new Party to take over from the Republicans. All we need is name.
[Wags might say we already have such a party: it's called the Democrat Party.]
Sowell has also stated we really need two new parties, but one would be accomplishment enough.
Yeah. If you even have to ask, it doesn’t bode well.
is anyone else tickled by the irony of the add for “cheap calls to mexico”
The sad thing is that it takes nominating McCain (a moderate conservative) to make you people realize that the Republican party isn’t conservative.
Here’s a little poem I’d like to call. . . alarm bells should go off:
Alarm bells should go off
if Tammy Bruce is defining ‘Conservative’.
Alarm bells should go off
If the Governor of the most liberal state in America is considered the ‘conservative hope’.
Alarm bells should go off
If the social conservatives are dismissed as loons after carrying the water for the conservative movement since Roe v Wade.
Alarm bells should go off
If the idea of conservative is the only governor to have mandated universal coverage with penalty of a fine to increase the size and scope of the government.
Alarm bells should go off
if the only guy who has ever sued a gun manufacturer for making legal products is considered conservative.
Alarm bells should go off
If being a Christian is more offensive than being a Mormon for the Conservative base.
Alarm bells should go off. . . . .
I could go on and on and on. . . But the bottom line is.
The GOP has been lost and NOT conservative since Jesse Helms left the senate.
Current bumper sticker on my car:
New sticker for my car:
If McCain is the nominee we’ll know for sure that the GOP is lost.
Yes, the party of conservatives has been usurped by liberal leaning morons!
If McCain manages to get the nomination, I will be voting for Mitt Romney, as a write in. At this point, I can’t see any other way to circumvent the shenanigans being perpetuated against the real conservatives in this party.
I would hope that there is a national movement in the works, by some of our trustworthy conservatives to promote a write in election should McShame, and the Huckster prevail.
We should be ashamed.
No matter how strenuously we deny it, Iraq is an unmitigated disaster and Afghanistan is moving in the wrong direction.
Our homeland is being overrun by the teaming hordes from south of the border.
We’ve pissed away a budget surplus into the largest deficit on record – and excused it by citing 9/11.
Isama bin Laden is still out there and we can’t even fix social security.
In a nutshell, we suck, and it should come as no surprise to us that people are abandoning ship in droves.
It only took 8 years to completely trash the country. Imagine the damage we could do with another 8 years in power?
If McCain is the Republican presidential nominee (and my suspicion is that he’s struck a deal with Huckabee to be VP), I will re-register as “independent” or “decline to state.”
I haven’t decided whether or not to vote for McCain if this is the case, but at least I will not be on the mailing lists and phone lists for RNC/GOP donations. If McCain is the nominee, I will NEVER EVER donate another cent (or my personal time) to the Republican Party.
The Party elite has essentially told me, a Conservative to the end, to kiss off. Oh, and because I support strong immigration regulation and a strong border, McCain has called me a bigot and a racist. Re-registering will just me my way of telling the money-grubbing Republican Party elite twits to kiss my behind.
The GOP hasn’t really been conservative for some time, based on the policies of Republican presidents or legislation passed by or with the support of Republican lawmakers. While I support Romney, there’s no question his death bed conversion on abortion really hurt him with social conservatives. I think he’s sincere, but many voters just don’t trust him. Meanwhile, Mike Huckebee is an opportunistic populist who has no ethics whatsoever, which is surprising since he was once a pastor. McCain is simply beyond any reasonable definition of a conservative. If it weren’t for his stance on the war, which a majority of Americans now reject (for better or worse), he couldn’t be called a conservative at all. Hey, I’m depressed.
Yes.
Our only hope is Hillary. Bill Clinton had a history of pandering to contributors and supporters, and then ruthlessly following their own agenda when elected. Hillary might turn on Hispanics when in office and follow rule of law, whereas John McCain is so corrupt and in the pocket of business he would never protect our country from the invasion.
Some see John Kennedy is Barack Obama. I see Richard Nixon in Hillary, and I like it.
As far as Conservatism and Libertarianism and Capitalism are concerned… yes. Of course the GOP is lost. It has been lost for some time.
Stop voting for them. Stop giving money to them. You only encourage their current path when you do that.
The GOP decided a LONG time ago that they are embarassed by conservatives and conservatism. The Republican Party is about where the Dems were back in the 70’s, when the conservatives and liberals were fighting over control. The liberals won then, and the liberals have taken over the GOP.
As we speak, there isn’t a party for conservatives in America. Neither major parties truly care about protecting and preserving our liberties and freedoms. All they care about is making the Federal government bigger and all-powerful. All they care about is making the permanent dependant class larger and more acceptable. All they care about is making the welfare goodies more abundant and accessible.
Who gives a rat’s ass about the Constitution? How many people even know what’s in it? How many Americans even care? All they care about is how the Federal government should “run the country,” when THE PEOPLE’S job is to run it. WE should make the decisions that make our future as a nation, not a bunch of blow-hards in Washington, DC.
As Ronald Reagan once said (paraphrasing) “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.” As far as I’m concerned, the GOP and the Democrats are the same beast, and I don’t want to have anything more to do with it.
Short answer, yes. Wish I could be at CPAC to attend that; maybe somebody could take a recorder in and post the audio.
Well, good morning all!
As things shape up this morning, America stands a fair chance of being led by either one of the two most detested (and with very good reason) people in politics, or by a virtual mystery.
Hellofadeal…
As lost as a golf ball in high grass…
FYI
I see where land in Costa Rica is going for bargain prices.
Maybe we can all escape the complete Euro-Socialist take-over of America.
Just thinking out loud…
President Hillary? AAAAAGGGGHHHH (and a double snort)
History is always a good place to look, at times like this.
Most of us have lived to see the Republicans lose the general election by fronting really awful candidates.
Dick Nixon in 1960 was widely hated (even by Ike, who barely campaigned for him), and that gave us JFK and LBJ.
Gerald Ford was doomed from the start, courtesy of the same Dick Nixon (who delivered on his promise of being a cretin), giving us Jimmy Carter.
GHW Bush turned on his own party by raising taxes (largely to clean up Reagan’s fiscal mess), and we got Bubba. We then ran one of the meanest people this side of John McCain, and we got to KEEP Bubba.
Each and every time the Republicans move away from their base, the nation suffers horribly.
JFK? Bumbled his way from the Bay of Pigs into almost getting us all incinerated; bumbled his way into Vietnam; bumbled his way into an early grave. Only his martyrdom – which continues to blind liberals into thinking that he was effective and wonderful – hides the fact that his presidency was a disaster.
LBJ? Lied us so deep into Vietnam that there was no getting out, while simultaneously gutting our military; bumbled and fumbled his way through the civil rights movement, while simultaneously initiating most of the entitlements that are now destroying us.
Carter? Anyone want to return to a Misery Index that high again? And his handling of Iran was masterful. Maybe next time we can take our pants off and really enjoy the butt-whupping we took at the hands of that freak, Khomeni.
Bubba? Sexual Predator, Convicted Felon, and soon-to-be First Spouse. Excellent. The man who laid the cornerstone and most of the foundation for the terrorism that came crashing down on us during 9/11. The man who walked away from capturing Osama, and who allowed Saddam to continue rebuilding.
Four times in still-recent history we have gone down the same path we are going down now, and four times it has nearly ruined us. In the case of JFK it almost cost us armaggeddon. In the case of LBJ it allowed the USSR to become a dominant counter to freedom – a trend perpetuated and expanded by Carter.
In the case of Bubba, again, it cost thousands of Americans their lives when terrorists graduated from ex-US attacks on our ships and embassies, to attacks on our citizens and Icons.
With all of this in mind, look at the candidates that the RNC forwarded this time around.
Are we lost? Even if “we” win in November, we lose. If that’s not lost, I don’t know what is…
Personally I’m at a point now , that the more the Republicans move center or left the more I’m not connecting with them or their new values. Why should we continuallly have to compromise our principles and values for these middle of the roaders. Im by no means a bible thumper or even Ultra right winger, but its really getting old to look at the canidates and see no difference anymore. I truelly believe voting for Mcain or huckster will get you Hilary and Obama in different clothes.I find it disturbing that the RNC obviously keeps pushing it on us and wonders why theres a rift and animosity amongst us now.