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	<title>Comments on: Illegal alien activists march for Oregon driver&#8217;s licenses</title>
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		<title>By: This is interesting - Page 8 - Christian Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is interesting - Page 8 - Christian Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  OPB News Drivers License Debate Hits Oregon Statehouse  Can you prove youre a citizen?  Michelle Malkin Illegal alien activists march for Oregon drivers licenses  ALIPAC &#8211; Oregon DMV To Begin Verifying Immigration In &#8216;09   __________________ For unto us a child [...]</p>
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		<title>By: garyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are saying that if we protesting about illegals getting all of these special rights here in the US then the Mexican Government is the Queen Bee on Racism. Mexico treats its citizens like crap because it fails to create a first world economy and depends on other nations to help create jobs for its  citizens. Is the Mexican government ignorant? Is it helpless? They seem to be able to have a high birthrate and that about covers its ability to accomplish anything.  If Mexico can&#039;t provide social services and jobs in its own territory how can it do that in the SouthWest of the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are saying that if we protesting about illegals getting all of these special rights here in the US then the Mexican Government is the Queen Bee on Racism. Mexico treats its citizens like crap because it fails to create a first world economy and depends on other nations to help create jobs for its  citizens. Is the Mexican government ignorant? Is it helpless? They seem to be able to have a high birthrate and that about covers its ability to accomplish anything.  If Mexico can&#8217;t provide social services and jobs in its own territory how can it do that in the SouthWest of the US?</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laree, you move south of the border and try that, you&#039;ll end up in jail so fast, you won&#039;t have time to contact the media. :)  They don&#039;t like illegal Americans down there.  Hmm. Maybe a lesson we could learn....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laree, you move south of the border and try that, you&#8217;ll end up in jail so fast, you won&#8217;t have time to contact the media. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   They don&#8217;t like illegal Americans down there.  Hmm. Maybe a lesson we could learn&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so proud of my homestate. As long as the politicians show some backbone for a change, the illegals will get the message and leave. I&#039;d rather pay more for blackberries or apples or fruit than see the hospitals close from the emergency rooms being overwhelmed by the illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so proud of my homestate. As long as the politicians show some backbone for a change, the illegals will get the message and leave. I&#8217;d rather pay more for blackberries or apples or fruit than see the hospitals close from the emergency rooms being overwhelmed by the illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: Laree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I move south of the border and squat there, they have to give me a drivers license, print everything in English so I can read it.  Provide me with public assistance, medical, civic- access to courts ect.. provide  me with a lawyer if they try to deport me. And I get to contact their media and call them racist &quot;broadcasted&quot; and in newprint, for trying to have me removed because I am living in their country illegally?  Oh and I can demand they give me citizenship, Where do I sign up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I move south of the border and squat there, they have to give me a drivers license, print everything in English so I can read it.  Provide me with public assistance, medical, civic- access to courts ect.. provide  me with a lawyer if they try to deport me. And I get to contact their media and call them racist &#8220;broadcasted&#8221; and in newprint, for trying to have me removed because I am living in their country illegally?  Oh and I can demand they give me citizenship, Where do I sign up?</p>
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		<title>By: orlandocajun</title>
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		<dc:creator>orlandocajun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only in America can criminals march to protest the laws that they&#039;re breaking. In any sane part of the world, the DHS would seize the opportunity for a round-up.

This is just in time for McCain to talk about citizenship at CPAC today. I wonder if anybody will drag that answer out of him today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in America can criminals march to protest the laws that they&#8217;re breaking. In any sane part of the world, the DHS would seize the opportunity for a round-up.</p>
<p>This is just in time for McCain to talk about citizenship at CPAC today. I wonder if anybody will drag that answer out of him today.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
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		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife, who is Indonesian, has been trying for years, to get her permanent residency in the U.S.. Previously, she was married to an American who died, living her a widow (years ago). Immigration screwed up the whole process and left her confused and digusted.  Over a year ago, we decided to try again....forms (some months the same forms) one month, money the next. Finally, we got a note that her application was &quot;approved&quot;. All that is needed is the interview.  Guess where we need to go for an interview?  American Embassy,Jarkarta, Indonesia!  That&#039;s about as far away from Virginia as you can get, unless they had a moonbase.  I refuse to go, of course, so now it&#039;s back to immigration and try another way to get things done.  Amazing that no-one there could figure that maybe something isn&#039;t right, sending the notice to us in Virginia. I have a feeling it is back to the immigration lawyer and try to figure something out that immigration can understand.  Meanwhile, she can&#039;t work, without a green card.  It&#039;s been years in this battle for her.  I told her that maybe she ought to go to the Safeway, and stand around with the rest of the illegals and get work that way. :)  She won&#039;t do that, of course.  She is as &quot;anti-illegal&quot; as I am.  She knows more government and American history than your average H.S. graduate...maybe even college. Last July 4th, she sat down for 10 hours and watched videos of the &quot;American Revolution&quot;, paper and pen busy (pizza for dinner). A conservative.  You can recognize her usually as the one with an American flag on her blouse or hat. Sometimes, I can wonder why it isn&#039;t best to be just &quot;illegal&quot; and get the benefits right away...like a job, house, drivers&#039; license, healthcare...rather than go through the quagmire of trying to do things right and legal.  Just venting some frustration.  (Just a thought, not a sermon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife, who is Indonesian, has been trying for years, to get her permanent residency in the U.S.. Previously, she was married to an American who died, living her a widow (years ago). Immigration screwed up the whole process and left her confused and digusted.  Over a year ago, we decided to try again&#8230;.forms (some months the same forms) one month, money the next. Finally, we got a note that her application was &#8220;approved&#8221;. All that is needed is the interview.  Guess where we need to go for an interview?  American Embassy,Jarkarta, Indonesia!  That&#8217;s about as far away from Virginia as you can get, unless they had a moonbase.  I refuse to go, of course, so now it&#8217;s back to immigration and try another way to get things done.  Amazing that no-one there could figure that maybe something isn&#8217;t right, sending the notice to us in Virginia. I have a feeling it is back to the immigration lawyer and try to figure something out that immigration can understand.  Meanwhile, she can&#8217;t work, without a green card.  It&#8217;s been years in this battle for her.  I told her that maybe she ought to go to the Safeway, and stand around with the rest of the illegals and get work that way. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   She won&#8217;t do that, of course.  She is as &#8220;anti-illegal&#8221; as I am.  She knows more government and American history than your average H.S. graduate&#8230;maybe even college. Last July 4th, she sat down for 10 hours and watched videos of the &#8220;American Revolution&#8221;, paper and pen busy (pizza for dinner). A conservative.  You can recognize her usually as the one with an American flag on her blouse or hat. Sometimes, I can wonder why it isn&#8217;t best to be just &#8220;illegal&#8221; and get the benefits right away&#8230;like a job, house, drivers&#8217; license, healthcare&#8230;rather than go through the quagmire of trying to do things right and legal.  Just venting some frustration.  (Just a thought, not a sermon).</p>
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		<title>By: ScottyDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottyDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we had the marches in LA, it was the safest and least congested day in recent history on the freeways.

It was also a target rich environment for ICE but Julie Meyers was asleep at the switch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we had the marches in LA, it was the safest and least congested day in recent history on the freeways.</p>
<p>It was also a target rich environment for ICE but Julie Meyers was asleep at the switch.</p>
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		<title>By: bear1909</title>
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		<dc:creator>bear1909</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;As long as they are marching it means they aren&#039;t driving&lt;/strong&gt;

Hey, i know, howzabout we promise them a  drivers license after they do 3 years of voluntary community service work--- such as building the fence, cleaning up the oil spill here in SFO Bay, or Superfund sites around the country. 

10 million grown ups working their butts off for nuthin but a drivers license....would they be feeling the love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>As long as they are marching it means they aren&#8217;t driving</strong></p>
<p>Hey, i know, howzabout we promise them a  drivers license after they do 3 years of voluntary community service work&#8212; such as building the fence, cleaning up the oil spill here in SFO Bay, or Superfund sites around the country. </p>
<p>10 million grown ups working their butts off for nuthin but a drivers license&#8230;.would they be feeling the love?</p>
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		<title>By: Alphonse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alphonse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On February 6th, 2008 at 6:05 pm, katieanne said: Amazing the gall these people have. They illegally come to another country and then march to protest the laws of a country where they donât belong. Unfreakinâ believable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
More crust than a pie factory.

 &lt;blockquote&gt;  On February 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, fred5676 said:  For over four years I have been telling my three (grown) children that illegal immigration and islamofascism are the two biggest threats to their way of life in this century.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And chamberpot immigration. 

Sadly if we stop illegal migration Washington will probably bring in four times as many as legal chamberpot immigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On February 6th, 2008 at 6:05 pm, katieanne said: Amazing the gall these people have. They illegally come to another country and then march to protest the laws of a country where they donât belong. Unfreakinâ believable.</p></blockquote>
<p>More crust than a pie factory.</p>
<blockquote><p>  On February 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, fred5676 said:  For over four years I have been telling my three (grown) children that illegal immigration and islamofascism are the two biggest threats to their way of life in this century.</p></blockquote>
<p>And chamberpot immigration. </p>
<p>Sadly if we stop illegal migration Washington will probably bring in four times as many as legal chamberpot immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimsdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimsdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabe said (#10):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâve never understood how deporting aliens and getting rid of their privileges âhurts families.â

If you deport the whole family back to Mexico, how does that âhurt the family?â&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It won&#039;t hurt them one bit.  Family reunification can happen right back in Mexico or wherever the illegals happen to come from.

In fact, Mexican law specifically states that immigrant status (defined as:  Immigrants are foreigners authorized to enter the country with the purpose of establishing permanent residency.) can be conferred on 

#  Relatives: dependent spouses or blood relatives provided they are minors, full-time students in Mexico, or handicapped children, of an immigrant or permanent resident.

# Family dependent: foreigners married to Mexicans or those who have children born in Mexico.

So there is no &lt;em&gt;legal&lt;/em&gt; (as if legality was their first concern!) reason not to go back to Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe said (#10):</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâve never understood how deporting aliens and getting rid of their privileges âhurts families.â</p>
<p>If you deport the whole family back to Mexico, how does that âhurt the family?â</p></blockquote>
<p>It won&#8217;t hurt them one bit.  Family reunification can happen right back in Mexico or wherever the illegals happen to come from.</p>
<p>In fact, Mexican law specifically states that immigrant status (defined as:  Immigrants are foreigners authorized to enter the country with the purpose of establishing permanent residency.) can be conferred on </p>
<p>#  Relatives: dependent spouses or blood relatives provided they are minors, full-time students in Mexico, or handicapped children, of an immigrant or permanent resident.</p>
<p># Family dependent: foreigners married to Mexicans or those who have children born in Mexico.</p>
<p>So there is no <em>legal</em> (as if legality was their first concern!) reason not to go back to Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: sausage</title>
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		<dc:creator>sausage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;letget said:
# 39, have you ever been in Mexico and seen how they drive there? Have you driven there? You take your life in your hands.Your âperfect driving recordâ is not what most of illegals here does. They have no insurance, a huge cost to me, donât know squat about our driving laws and donât care
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well quite, that was my point :)


I have driven around Mexico City and it reminded me of driving through Italian traffic...not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>letget said:<br />
# 39, have you ever been in Mexico and seen how they drive there? Have you driven there? You take your life in your hands.Your âperfect driving recordâ is not what most of illegals here does. They have no insurance, a huge cost to me, donât know squat about our driving laws and donât care
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<p>Well quite, that was my point <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have driven around Mexico City and it reminded me of driving through Italian traffic&#8230;not good.</p>
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		<title>By: SHoward</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought here, Mookie. I have heard illeagal alien activists describe our wish that they obey the law as racist. 

They feel the law itself is racist.

My point is that it may be time to stop worrying about the perception, since everything we argue for is called racist by the left at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought here, Mookie. I have heard illeagal alien activists describe our wish that they obey the law as racist. </p>
<p>They feel the law itself is racist.</p>
<p>My point is that it may be time to stop worrying about the perception, since everything we argue for is called racist by the left at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On February 6th, 2008 at 9:56 pm, TXRose said:

The biggest problem with this illegal thing is the calls of racism. If we donât fight
back when people on that side scream racist at us, weâll never get this solved.
They know that calling their opponents racist will usually shut them up and theyâll
slink back to their homes and leave the illegals and pro illegals to business as
usual. We have to keep pushing for the law to be obeyed and thats not racist.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head. For all intents and purposes, rightisright&#039;s comment didn&#039;t have any racist connotation whatsoever. But the perception is the key and if someone can turn it around a make it a racist comment, the argument becomes moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On February 6th, 2008 at 9:56 pm, TXRose said:</p>
<p>The biggest problem with this illegal thing is the calls of racism. If we donât fight<br />
back when people on that side scream racist at us, weâll never get this solved.<br />
They know that calling their opponents racist will usually shut them up and theyâll<br />
slink back to their homes and leave the illegals and pro illegals to business as<br />
usual. We have to keep pushing for the law to be obeyed and thats not racist.
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<p>Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head. For all intents and purposes, rightisright&#8217;s comment didn&#8217;t have any racist connotation whatsoever. But the perception is the key and if someone can turn it around a make it a racist comment, the argument becomes moot.</p>
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		<title>By: TXRose</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with this illegal thing is the calls of racism.  If we don&#039;t fight
back when people on that side scream racist at us, we&#039;ll never get this solved.  
They know that calling their opponents racist will usually shut them up and they&#039;ll
slink back to their homes and leave the illegals and pro illegals to business as 
usual.  We have to keep pushing for the law to be obeyed and thats not racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with this illegal thing is the calls of racism.  If we don&#8217;t fight<br />
back when people on that side scream racist at us, we&#8217;ll never get this solved.<br />
They know that calling their opponents racist will usually shut them up and they&#8217;ll<br />
slink back to their homes and leave the illegals and pro illegals to business as<br />
usual.  We have to keep pushing for the law to be obeyed and thats not racist.</p>
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