Live from CPAC: Romney speaks…”Frankly in this time of war, I cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror…I feel I need to stand aside”
Video here. And N.Z. Bear has pics/vid from the foot of the podium.
Talked to a couple of Romney staffers. Plans are still up in the air over whether to attend the Lincoln Day Dinner event in Baltimore tonight, which McCain is scheduled to attend.
***
12:43pm Eastern. I’m starting a new thread for Romney’s speech…awaiting his official announcement of the suspension of his campaign. And possible endorsement today of John McCain.
Laura Ingraham continues to warm up the crowd. “It’s not enough to say you’re a footsoldier for Reagan. The question is: “What have you done for conservatism lately?”
(Applause)
LI introduction: “Mitt Romney is the conservative’s conservative. Above all, he is a class act.”
Romney enters. Loud applause, standing ovation. Tanks talk radio.
I love being introduced as the conservative’s conservative.
I look forward to joining you many, many more times in the future…
…To all of you, thank you here for caring enough about america to show up to speak up to stand up for conservative principles…
Conservative principles are needed now more than ever…face a new generation of challenges…unless america changes course we could become the france of the 21st century…
He’s very energetic.
“Culture makes all the difference…The threat to our culture comes from within. welfare state. dependency is culture killing. we’ve got to fight it like the poison that it is. (Applause.)”
Talks about fatherless children.
It’s time for the people of America to fortify marriage by constitutional amendment so liberal judges cannot attack it.
(Applause.)
Europe is facing a demographic disaster…Stand up for family values and morality and culture. Conservatives here and across the country will always be honored to stand on and for principle.
We face economic competition unlike any we’ve known before…China and Asia…if we don’t change, they will pass us by as world superpowers.
Invest in nuclear energy, clean coal, etc. Cheers and applause. Simply put, America must never be held hostage by the likes of Putin, Chavez, and Ahmadenjiad.
(Standing ovation.)
Segues to government spending. Let’s not just focus on pork. Any plan for the future must include entitlement reform. We have to solve it, not just acknowledge it.
(Applause.)
Government workers make more than private sector employees. Lower taxes. take a weed whacker. stand up to the increasingly voracious appetites of the unions in our government.
(Applause)
And finally…the threat of radical violent jihad…they hate everything we believe about freedom, just as we hate everything they believe about radical jihad…
But there’s an important difference from 1976. Today we are a nation at war.
I disagree with sen mccain on a number of issues…(audience boos) but i agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be succesful in iraq…
And i agree with him on eliminating al qaeda…
If i fight on in my campaign all the way to the convention, i want you to know that i forestall the launch of a national campaign.
Crowd: “NOOOOO!”
Frankly in this time of a war, I cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.
This isn’t an easy decision. I hate to lose.
…Not just about me…i entered this race because i love america. i feel i have to now stand aside.
We cannot allow the next president of the United States to retreat in the face of evil extremism.
Romney makes a rousing exit.
Afterward, a CPAC official moved on to the next session and mentioned John McCain’s appearance this afternoon.
The mere mention of his name provoked a fresh round of boos.
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You’re ignorant as to what Ron Paul stands for and slander gets you nowhere with me.
Obama never had to vote on the Iraq war. Paul voted against it as it was “undeclared by congress.”
Fed Up
Yup, ok…that’s why Kucinich is out and Ron Paul is sitting in a corner playing ring-around-the-rosie with his 16 lousy delegates…
Yup – he can really pack-em-in the voting booth….let’s have him as the GOP candidate…
Puuhhleeezze…
The selfless subordination of one’s own interests and ambitions are a true measure of a man’s character. Mitt Romney is indeed a man if character.
And stepping aside in the interests of something larger than the man in the interest of core values and principles is the precise reason Romney should have been the nominee for the Republican party.
Fed Up
Ignores Soap at #180.
Go figure.
Giving the President the right to use force is the same thing.
Semantix are the scalpels of politicians and mindless trolls….
This makes no sense to me. Mitt makes what seems to be a great speech, says how we have to fight on and not let America give in to jihad.. AND THEN HE QUITS????
How much is he being paid? Has his family been threatened with death or something?
And we’re left with that foul-tempered little troll McCain – even if he doesn’t pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, what’s the point when he’s going to let everyone in the front door anyway?
That’s pretty much decided me to switch to Democrat, vote the opposite of what I would vote normally, and then hope like hell the US survives the next 4 years enough that America learns its lesson once and for all and the Republican party actually fields a Republican! It’ll probably take the next 2 decades to recover though.
A lot pf people weren’t that big on Romney as it was, but he was preferable to McCain, but now.. thanks Romney for lecturing how we need to fight, then pulling out yourself. Your words suddenly become meaningless.
oops – semantics…sorry –
note to self….Preview, preview, preview….
I’m not sure what you are asking soap…
The majority of hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. We didn’t attack Saudia Arabia. None were from Iraq. We attacked Iraq in an undeclared war.
By the way, the Wahibbis are the most radical Muslim group of all…why didn’t we go after them in Saudi Arabia right after 9/11, like we did the Taliban? Because this group of folks were in Afghanistan and Bush had business ties with the Royal House of Saud.
Fed Up
sorry soap…was going backwards…
Fed Up
#181, I don’t understand what Romney means by implying that continuing in the race, after two days earlier he said he was forging forward to the convention, somehow undermines the war on terrorism. Is he saying that if he continues his campaign, “forestalling a national campaign”(I take that to mean McCain’s) will allow a Democrat to win, and thus cause us to lose the war on terrorism? Why does he think McCain will wage a successful war on terrorism, when he doesn’t support protecting our borders? Why he does he think McCain will successfully wage that war if he has a Mexican champion of dissolving our Mexican-American boundaries as his Hispanic-outreach director? When McCain is asked about this director, he feigns ignorance about it? I’m having a hard time with all this.
One has to wonder how McCain expects to be able to win. Bush was able to pull it off because the hate for him was outside the party. McCain is obviously getting some love from the party but he is by far one of the most disliked Republican candidates. You can’t win the election as a Republican if a large majority of your own party hates you.
It’s pretty simple. If McCain goes on to get the nod, which he will, we will have 4 more years of Clinton (or Obama).
Hardly…
Fed Up
Not 4 more.. meant to say 4.
As I mentioned earlier – that’s a gut-level, understandable reaction….
But – Supreme Court Justices last longer than 4 years…. remember that on voting day…
And given the age of some of the more liberal minded ones…. who’s to say that if a Dem is elected in 2008, they won’t retire within that administration’s timeframe just to ensure a liberal appointee?
Examples that back up your bias?
Fed Up
Oh my, Fed… I give up – your skills as a debater are simply too much…
Uncle…uncle!!!
Oh – one more thing – if the congressional authorization did NOT give the president to attack Iraq, then what exactly did it do?
Please, enlighten us with your
conspiracy, uh… knowledge.NavyTim and Boomer: Thanks for serving!!
RATS! I wish Mitt had had more folks jump on the band wagon earlier! There is too much riding on this election (especially SCOTUS Justices)I guess I will orderer the nose plugs from Michelle’s site and vote for McShame. Almost anyone is better than the Hildabeast or Obama. The last two elections I took a week off work to help in getting out the vote, I don’t know if I can bring myself to do that again this year. I am tired of putting in all that work and being betrayed by a pseudo conservative.
Fed Up,
Ron Paul said hijackers did not crash planes into the buildings, thugs did. Not terrorists. Not thugs from ANY particular nation. RP said it in the first Repub debate to Rudy. Do you remember?
How do you reconcile this? How do you even consider a person who denies terrorists attacks on our own soil?
That is where I am going. I hope this is more clear. I do want to know.
I think his strategy all along was to attempt to get the Republicans back to the platform that GW ran on and if that failed to go 3rd party. He’ll have the money and his support will grow.
Either way, McCain loses because he follows this “New” Republican Party platform that lost in 2006.
Fed Up
I hope Romney doesn’t endorse McCain. I hope he campaigns for other conservative
republicans this fall. I watch the full CPAC speech. It was really excellent.
Can someone who recorded it post it to Youtube ???
RonPaul Bots make me lol.
I once was dumb enuf to get sucked into a conversation IRL with one.
It degraded FAST and ended when the Bot claimed “we are living in a police state.”
Fed Up: Face it, given Ron Paul has NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER, there are 2 possibilities here:
1) You and your loony-toon friends (some of whom think the US is a police state) are smarter than all of us by leaps and bounds and you see the truth we simply can’t grasp.
2) The reverse is true and you and your friends are in fact loony.
Either way, what’s the point of spamming here? No one cares what you have to say. The race is over, you can stop running now, you are embarrasing yourself.
Maybe so – but still – no chance in hell he’d ever win.
Agreed.
See, you ARE a Ron Paul follower….like I said, one coherent thought every once in a while….
Oh sorry, I get it now. Fed is a troll. He never answers questions saqurely, instead changing the subject or else simply unthinkingly regurgitates dogma with an assumed air of superiority, in the manner of a brainwshed hitler youth.
I met a lot like him when I was a Libertarian and campigned for Ron Paul for President in 1988. People like him and the jew-baiters and closeted racists that he drew drove me away from them.
#214 jrlingreenbay, you are right of course. I am very angry at the moment, and I flat out refuse to vote for McCain – what will happen will happen, but I’d rather not have the Dems pointing their fingers at Republicans in years to come and using what happens in the next 4 years to get themselves elected yet again.
I want the Dems to take full responsibility for the looming disaster this country faces.
But for the the longer term Supreme Court Justices, I will need to do a little homework and vote wisely, as you advised. I will be looking for much of my information here at MM.com.
God Speed.
Guys…
this isn’t hard. Romney stepped aside, as would Reagan in these circumstances, because…
1. this screwed-up selection process has labored…only to give us the most detested man in the field as the going-away front-runner. The chances of Romney…in the world of reality…displacing him were tiny
2. if he gets out now, the GOP…and McCain…can concentrate resources on the general election for PROTUS, giving them the best chance to win
3. if you accept the premise that the GWOT is priority one (and that is certainly plausible) for Romney, this is the “man-up” thing to do, given the premise that McCain would be superior to the Dimocrates, and do relatively less damage while in office
Now, I don’t happen to agree on that second premise, but that is a matter of opinion. He did what he thought was right.
Regardless of who ends up in the WH,
WE NEED TO ELECT MORE CONSERVATIVES TO THE HOUSE AND SENATE!
Rags….very good points…
Solidifying what most likely is the inevitable ( McCain as the nominee ) at this point, allows him to concentrate on beating the Dems…
Meanwhile, Hillary & Obama will be beating each other up for the next several months… needing to distance themselves from each other, before either one of them can truly focus on going after McCain.
Fed…
Empirical fact, predicated on observation of reality, is not bias.
Ron Paul is a known quantity in Texas. He is not a conservative. He is a nut.
His chances of election to even a state-wide office are nil
Can you imagine a McCain presidency with a Democratic controlled house and senate?
We are doomed.
f u c k!
I agree with Hugh Hewitt that the Supreme court justices are more important than the other issues simply because Hillary could appoint some pretty Liberal/Radical justices who would make law from the bench….such laws that would take away our rights to vote.
That could leave a Democrat in office indefinitely….don’t think it can happen? HA!! Just look at Roe v. Wade.
Done without the people’s votes…..it can happen again.
I support our troops and cannot hand them over to a Socialist who would make it law to allow gays to openly serve and then use the military as social experiments, destroy all the work they have done in Iraq and Afghanistan, and then dismantle them when they get back.
Right now they are the best trained military in the world…all the better to protect us. Hillary and Obama want to destroy the military.
Hillary will NOT support Israel. She has called Syria our “friends” and will not attack them if they attack Israel.
McCain understands the enemy and has supported Israel and said he will continue to do so.
Too much is at stake…..
Uh-oh…. that one’s gonna leave a mark.
Here is what Ron Paul said; “The complacency of the airlines is one thing, but the intrusiveness of the FAA is another. Two specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11.”
Thug:
1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
Terrorist:
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others
I’m not sure what you’re getting at soap…
A criticism of adjectives used by Paul?
Fed Up
w00t!
blah, blah, blah, example?
Fed Up
“Blah, blah, blah Constitution, blah, blah, blah, founding fathers, blah, blah, diplomacy, blah, blah” *YELL, SCREAM, annoy*
…and all with an air of arrogant superiority. Such is the call of the Ronulan.
Fed Ex: Get lost freak. Refer to my above post, which is it? 1 or 2? Then, does it matter? No one is listening.
Fed Up,
One more time and I will speak slllooooowwwwlllllyyyy so you can get where I am going.
RP denied, on the first televised debate, that it was terrorists who flew planes into buildings. RP said it was 19 thugs. RP said IT WAS NOT TERRORISTS. We can dispence with the thugs = terrorists as it was not what he meant. He said very clearly what he meant to 9/11Rudy9/11.
Now, one more time.
How do you reconcile this? How do you lend support to a person who would deny a terrorist attack against us?
I know, two questions to dodge here. I am doing my best to understand how someone could lend support to someone like RP.
Well maybe he can run as a thrid party, or VP. But baring an assassination on the top runners that have a chance getting elected, I find it likely, that the great depression will be something to laugh at.
First and foremost this election just as the last several is based on emotions and parrty loyality. And our top three runners, well lets see. A Bill Clinton in Republican clothing, Comrade Stalin (Hillary), and lastly a black Jimmy Carter whos a muslium (Nothing wrong with that except it will be viewed by the islamist as a great victory and the Americans submitting).
We have a quickly growing china, a ressurgant Russia, a war on foriegn policy thats old as the crusades. European allies that actively seek our down fall. The EU was made as a political and econmic counter balance to the US. Never mind in katrina most help came from China and Russia.
And this is the best we can come up with.
On February 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:
Oh sorry, I get it now. Fed is a troll. He never answers questions saqurely, instead changing the subject or else simply unthinkingly regurgitates dogma with an assumed air of superiority, in the manner of a brainwshed hitler youth.
I met a lot like him when I was a Libertarian and campigned for Ron Paul for President in 1988. People like him and the jew-baiters and closeted racists that he drew drove me away from them.
Ah, so ignorance of history in favor of your guru experts who see beyond what legitimate historians all acknowledge is your forte, then.
I’m not going to argue with a fool who thinks he gets his own set of facts.
Newsflash: Were America actually a police state, Ron Paul and his nutbar supporters would not be roaming the streets in absolute freedom.
Meanwhile….
The Senate Dems have caved on their excessive additions to the stimulus package….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_go_co/economy_stimulus
IN: Additional rebates for retirees and disabled vets….
OUT: Additional unemployment benefits, heating bill aid and the rest…
Does anyone have a link for the text of Romney’s speech? My video feed spent more time trying to connect than actually playing.
Here is a link to the speech transcript.
Here is a video link.
We are not in a police state. I am not loony.
The race was over when Thompson was going to win right?
The race was over when Giuliani was going to win right?
The race was over when Romney was going to win right?
Were the people who voted for them “loony?”
Get used to this till November girl…
Fed Up
Have you been to the Lincoln library and looked for yourself?
Have you read Woods or DiLorenzo’s books?
I have.
Oh…and there’s a reason why you didn’t learn about Austrian Economics at your university either. But hey…our current university trained economists have done so well haven’t they?
Fed Up
Fed “ask me a question jackass” Ex:
I’ll jump on this before Ordinary Coloradan gets back:
IMHO there is no point asking a question to Ronulans. It will quickly degrade to passive-aggressive, superiority-complex driven, talking point, rhetoric BS:
Real life convo I had with a Ronulan:
Me: “I feel that a strong offense in the war on terror is important. I understand and respect your idea, but I just disagree.”
Ronulan: “Well your idea is impossible to maintain, the government would have to instill a law that every family have 10 kids to support the demand for soldiers. Well the government can do that can’t they? I mean they are all powerful afterall.”
…and so on.
Ronulans themselves are the worst thing for Ron Paul. Its pointless to ask a question of you, ridicule is the only thing you guys get.
You guys are ridiculous. That was a great speech by Romney, however how come he hasn’t been giving this type of speech from day 1?
You all claim Romney is the “true” conservative. Um, anyone know his stance on abortion or why he changed it 3 times? Um, anyone know about his socialized gazillion dollar healthplan in Mass? Look, he is certainly more conservative than McCain and Huckabee…but to sit here and pretend he is Mr. Conservative is a joke.
I hope you all enjoy President Clinton or President Obama, enjoy higher taxes, more social programs, universal healthcare and more freaking SCJOTUS like Ginsberg. because THAT is what you will get because you “cannot vote for McCain”.
I am sure you will all be here bitching about President Clinton or Obama though. Freaking childish.
As a young Captain in the mid-1970’s, I had the honor of meeting General of the Army Omar N. Bradley, who was living out his final years at Fort Bliss, Texas. Among the many wise sayings of the “Soldier’s General” was that “In war there is no second prize for the runner-up.” This is as true in the war on terrorism as it was in WWII. McCain is committed to winning; Clinton/Obama are willing to accept a “second prize” that doesn’t exist. Think about it when you make your choice to sit it out.
Yep thanks Fed, confirmed you are a troll with that. I’ll stop feeding you now.
Question for the “GOP Left Me” folks like myself:
How do we fix this broken party once it collapses after this impending election debacle?
First we need to start LATER.
No primaries before March. And have them regularly spaced so they finish by the end of june. Have the convention before August. That way the GOP drives the news cycle instead of the other way around.
More importantly, we need to get Iowa and NH out of the first position in primaries and get states more representative up front. Iowa has picked Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson, and now Huckabee. Why should they have ANY say in choosing the early leaders amongst the candidates when they have done such a lousy job?
Rotate them. Nobody goes first every time. Get places like Texas, Ohio, and PA involved a lot earlier. Give “reliably red” states like Idaho and Indiana an earlier voice instead of NH and Iowa.
Also need to stop the “Winner Takes All” distortions like happened in West Virgnia. Caucuses need to go away like the smoke filled room from which they were born. Our candidates shoudl NOT be decided by who can get the most people to stand for them in a middle school gym at 7:30 on a tuesday night. Primaries should be the primary method. Count votes, not noses.
We also need to figure how to get mostly CLOSED primaries – Republicans should be who picks the Republican Candidates, especially in “Blue” states where there are mainly “spoiler” votes that cross over. Only in the big Red states shoudl there be possibility of an open rpimary, mainly becasue those states are already “Republican” oriented.
Thats a asic list of how broken the GOP presidential selection system is now – any ideas on how to force change?
I did – Nearly an hour ago:
Still waiting
– FedUp
Yeah, like it grew winning him a huge groundswell 16 delegates in the primaries so far.
But hey, you guys will still have endless internet polls to point at, showing he’ll get 1400% of the vote and raise $386 bazillion dollars in a week.
Sorry, but I can’t help but place your predictions about McCain and Paul in the same basket with all those made so far by Paul’s acolytes that have not in any way, shape, or form come to pass.
I only voted for Romney because after Fred dropped out, he was “less suck” than the remaining field. But as I paid more attention to him, I actually began to feel better about my choice, and the reasons behind today’s concessions were nothing less than magnanimous. I am impressed.
I’ll vote for McCain on 2 conditions… 1: He has to acknowledge and swear mea culpa to the issues with his base
2: Neither Shmuckabee, Nutters Paul, Grahmnesty, Arselen Sphincter, nor any other RINO get the Veep nod.
#251
What you said.
Especially point 2.
Anyoen in SC wokring to oust Grahamnesty? What an jerk he turned out to be.
Write-in vote for (1) Sen. DeMint OR (2) Mitt Romney.
Hmmm. Decisions. Decisions.
I’m more concerned for my country now than I ever have been. THere is very little I like about McCain, but there is absolutely nothing I like about Hillary or Obama in terms of policy (or pretty much anything else, either).
As much as I don’t like him, I can think of a few good reasons to vote for McCain:
1. The GWOT. He is the only viable candidate left who understands that we are at war, like it or not.
2. The Supreme Court. The next President will make at least 2 appointments. Hillary/Obama would mean 2 more Ginsbergs.
3. Entitlements. At least he won’t socialize healthcare.
#252,
So far, only Buddy Witherspoon has emerged as a credible challenger to Lindsey Grahamnesty in South Carolina’s upcoming Senate race.
Why have comments been closed on the other thread re McCain speech?
It’s open again, never mind.
Oops, nope it’s closed.
Did Fed Up take his toys and go home.
Three times I asked a simple question. Sidestepped twice and then – nada.
Criticized people for name calling and called someone a jack___.
Okay, he gets my Tango Foxtrot seal of approval.
I know, some of you already called it. I just wanted to know one thing and one thing only. From now on I will:
I G N O R E
H I M
So you’re saying you’re fed up of Fed Up?
ok lame, I admit it..
I am fed up like Fed Up but I will not even look at Ron Paul and:
I will answer any question ever asked of me without spin or talking points (as long as the question does not start with – will you raise your hand if…).
I tried looking at Ron Paul…. but my back started to hurt and I had to stand up straight – then I couldn’t see him no more….
If Romney had but put on the full blanket of fiscal conservatism, instead of the wishy-washy afghan of a Republican-independent, then maybe he wouldn’t be standing out in the cold today. I mean the man is a self-made multimillionaire yet he only recently began touting his brilliant business acumen – the very type of acumen our economy needs, and he and his staff ignore it until the last minute! I feel sorry for him, but he brought it on himself by staffing his campaign with people who simply did not know how to read the voter’s pulse and play to Mitt’s strengths.
I voted against Bush 1 because he lied to me on raising taxes. I voted for Perot, a third party. My vote gave us 8 years of BC. A third party won’t work, neither the D or the R will make anything happen for the person. See how the D’s and certain R’s, have stalled most of what Bush want’s done. Please Peaple VOTE, don’t set home. Tonight when you ‘hit your knees’ (from Brian’s Song) think long and hard on your decision to set this out. The muslims are praying to their A thing that a D gets in. BHO is their prime choice. McCain is just one of most horrible persons I can think of as President, but he MAY defend our nation.
L.
You spend all that time writing and you can’t formulate a question?
Fed Up
And to really pour salt on the wound….
Mexican President: Illegals Rescued by Elections
Thursday, February 7, 2008 12:10 PM
By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size
Eying the results so far in the U.S. presidential primary race, Mexican President Felipe Calderon said he is hopeful that the next administration in Washington will usher in reforms that would legalize the status of Mexican immigrants.
“It seems to me that the most radical and anti-immigrant candidates have been left behind and have been put in their place by their own electorate,” Calderon told the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, the day after the Super Tuesday primaries.
“My hope is that whoever the next president is, and whoever is in the new Congress, will have a broader and more comprehensive view” of the immigration problem.
Calderon said he took heart from the Super Tuesday results, but did not mention specific candidates, the Times reported.
Calderon is about to embark on a 5-day U.S. trip that will end in California, where he is scheduled to meet with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and migrant groups.
Calderon said one goal of his U.S. trip would be to generate support for immigration reform that would permit millions of Mexican to work in the U.S.
He also told the Times that Americans would “sooner or later” come to understand that the health of the American economy is linked to integration with Mexico and “greater freedom in labor markets.”
Hey…can’t a guy have lunch? I didn’t know I was working on your time schedule.
It gave them “authorization” to go in and accomplish prestated goals and get out, not to set up camp. Said goals were accomplished immediately.
Fed Up
You try to categorize me, I’ll do the same to you pal.
Fed Up
What prediction did I make about Paul? None.
About McCain, sure…he’ll lose in a landslide to the Dems because he’s running on the same platform that caused the Republicans to lose the House and the Senate.
Do you deny this?
Fed Up
soap, I had a response posted to you and it got deleted…I guess by me accidentlally…I’m putting it back together again, so give me a frickin minute will ya?
Fed Up
Everyone…
step back from the troll…
stop feeding him, and he’ll curl up and go to sleep.
They’re kind of cute when they’re asleep…
But with Romney dropping out, it’s now a 3-man race.
That’s 1-out-of-3….. 33%!
You can’t fault someone for getting excited about the improving odds.
Nice try, Fed – you posted 6 times from the time I asked you that question, til the time I REMINDED you of the question – and no answer was forthcoming.
Now you post this:
Again – nice try, here’s the wording of the “Use of US Armed Forces” portion of the resolution:
After Saddam was deposed – a new threat emerged, that of an insurgency and unstable Iraq. That instability poses a clear and present danger to the United States and the entire Middle East
I know that Ron Paul has a rather narrow view of the world – and it would be nice if we only had to worry about things inside our own borders….
But the world doesn’t work that way.
#267,
Ouch. I am not ready to hear …
“My Good Friend President Calderon…”
/roll eyes
Also, Fed:
That authorization was issued on Oct. 2, 2002.
The invasion, despite what liberals and nutroots would have you believe, didn’t happen immediately –
President Bush took another 5 months, until March 18, 2003, before actually beginning aggressive military action.
Hardly the ‘jump into war’ many would have you believe.
Soap,
I watched the debate again and Paul said no such thing:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/16/rudy-giuliani-distorts-ron-pauls-comments-on-iraq/
The only person who had a distorted view of things was Giuliani:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/?pid=195576
Let me know if I’m missing something here after you watch the video.
Fed Up
Saw McCain’s speech at CPAC on feed.
Nice speech. Talkrd the talk.
I dont trust him to walk the walk.
Sorry Fed Up:
You’re wrong, AGAIN.
From CNN’s coverage:
Alas – it’s been entertaining refuting the nutroots all afternoon – but the time has come for me to go….
I only say that so when Fed Up asks me a question and I’m not here to answer, he thinks he’s won…
TaTa For Now
Any chance we can get back on the main thread of this post? We’ve gone down a rabbit hole with all the Ron Paul talk and it doesn’t seem to have much to do with Romney stepping aside.
One last morsel for the troll:
Fed this is not YOUR blog. Stop posting that garbage here, and your misdirections, mistatatments and your paulista propaganda. It only impresses imbeciles like you. Find an appropriate thread or start your own blog.
This is supposed to be about Romney’s ending his campaigning and its effects on the race, not your self centered “its all about meeeee and RuPaul” crap.
Grownups here are trying to figure a path out of this mess. Play somewhere else.
Don’t go away angry, just go away.
Why now? If he planned not to stick it out, he should have dropped out and supported Thompson before he dropped out. Damn it!
green bay, I don’t have to be accountable to you as to what I do in my personal life do I? Perhaps you do support the Patriot ACT and an intrusive government.
Anyway, to your points…
Ron Paul wrote the following before Congress became derelict in their duty:
1. This resolution is not a declaration of war, however, and that is an important point: this resolution transfers the Constitutionally-mandated Congressional authority to declare wars to the executive branch. This resolution tells the president that he alone has the authority to determine when, where, why, and how war will be declared. It merely asks the president to pay us a courtesy call a couple of days after the bombing starts to let us know what is going on. This is exactly what our Founding Fathers cautioned against when crafting our form of government: most had just left behind a monarchy where the power to declare war rested in one individual. It is this they most wished to avoid.
As James Madison wrote in 1798, “The Constitution supposes what the history of all governments demonstrates, that the executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it. It has, accordingly, with studied care, vested the question of war in the legislature.”
2. For more than a thousand years there has been a doctrine and Christian definition of what a just war is all about. I think this effort and this plan to go to war comes up short of that doctrine. First, it says that there has to be an act of aggression; and there has not been an act of aggression against the United States. We are 6,000 miles from their shores. Also, the Christian doctrine says that the proper authority must be responsible for initiating the war. I do not believe that proper authority can be transferred to the President nor to the United Nations.
Ron Paul asked Congress to declare war, but Hyde shut him down:
“The Congress cannot give up its power to declare war unless
accomplished by a constitutional amendment. Article 10 of the Bill of
Rights to our Constitution clearly states that the power not given to the
federal government by the Constitution is prohibited to the federal
government. There is nothing in the Constitution which allows the
Congress (the Legislative Branch) to give away its power to declare war to
the president (the Executive Branch), yet Henry Hyde clearly states, “We
are saying to the President, use your judgment”.
“The Congress cannot take power which is not given them by the Constitution, nor do they have the authority to give
away a power assigned to the Congress by the Constitution.”
Also read Paul’s comments: http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul50.html
Excerpt: “When Congress issued clear declarations of war against Japan and Germany during World War II, the nation was committed and victory was achieved. When Congress shirks its duty and avoids declaring war, as with Korea, and Vietnam, the nation is less committed and the goals are less clear. No lives should be lost in Iraq unless Congress expresses the clear will of the American people and votes yes or no on a declaration of war.”
You reap what you sow and the “New” warmongering Republican Party that lost in November of 2006 and will lose by a landslide in November of 2008 with that “100 years in Iraq” guy.
Fed Up
People ask me questions, I answer them. People say stupid things, I call em on it.
But you’re right…I do have a “message” to get out to those that don’t want war, big government and all of those things the “New” Republican party thinks they can win with.
Good luck with that!
Fed Up
terrorists, thugs…semantics…
either way, Paul is still running and Giuliani is supporting the 100 year guy that you’re stuck backing.
Again…good luck with that!
Fed Up
RP is ineffectual and of no consequence, so why bother discussing him? Might as well discuss a dust bunny.
Regarding John McCon getting the veteran vote, I’m not so sure about that. After graduating the Naval Academy with a class rank of 894 out of 899, he embarked on a military career so undistinguished and full of favoritism that it makes John Kerry’s military career look respectable by comparison.
Or so say the Vietnam Vets Against John McCain. I fully expect that the libs, who vehemently attacked the swift boat vets in 2003, will milk this “swift boating” opportunity to the max, now that McCon has a lock on the nomination.
My personal crystal ball has been foggy as of late, but I’ll be amazed if Romney backs McCain.It seems to me that he’s doing the brave and right thing Huckabee should have done: get out and stop splitting the conservative vote. This makes me think that while an endorsement for Huckabee is unlikely, one for McCain is even less likely. Logic suggests he’s gotten out to keep from splitting the conservative vote. That would mean no kudos for McCain. And as much as the Huckster is no Romney/no Reagan, I’d choose him over McCain. He was a governor. He ran something. And I think he really would try to take down the IRS.
A tear-in-the-eye heartfelt applause for Romney. I only wish Huckabee had had Romney’s courage first, something for which I’m not sure I’ll quite forgive him.
Hold your nose in November and hold your ankles for the next four years.
Hey CC…looks like Huckabee will be the next one going down then….
GiulianiRomneyNow it’s down to a theocrat and a lib…
I’d choose the theocrat too if I were you…
But as you know, I’m still supporting the rEVOLution till November.
Congrats to your Giants though…How’s your hockey team doing?
Fed Up
I do not think it is coincidence that the percentage of people in the US suffering from mental illness is the same as the percentage of Ron Paul supporters.
Fed Up – your comments here are only reinforcing the opinions people have about Ron Paul and his supporters.
Fed Up,
Don’t be so quick to cite your wishful thinking as fact. Paul doesn’t stand even a prayer, and I say that as a Christiam.
What is his delegate count again? But hey, keep supporting him for President of the United States. After all, everyone should have a hobby.
Yes, the two guys with the best record of accomplishment lose out over posture and appearance. But then, this is the United States in the year 2008, isn’t it?
Well, a revolution is better than evolution any day. At least a revolution can sometimes have manifest evidence to support its existance.
The Rangers are in 7th spot for the playoffs (caps out at spot 8), so they’re not where one would want them, but better than most. Down one goal to Ana as we “speak”.
I just want to say two things.
As a conservative college student, I (and my conservative boyfriend) were both saddened today about Romney’s departure. We both looked into the candidates and agreed with Romney. He is the “conservatives’ conservative” and I am truly disappointed that this is how the race is occurring. (Especially because it’s my first time I get to vote for President.) I desperately want another Reagan to come out of the closet somewhere and I hope my fellow conservatives do to. Maybe it’ll happen someday?
Also, I just got yelled at by a liberal. Sheesh. You would think they would know how to be nice to people in a discussion since “being nice” is all they worry about.
God Bless America.
Was just saying to my g/f – why do so many Americans seem to hate America so much? Her answer was pretty simple – because they have no idea what it’s like to live any differently (she lived in Russia for years). So true.
rcool487 don’t let the liberals get to you! Say what you need to say and try and ignore them.
Once in a great while they come around, grow up and become Conservatives.
It’s at that point when they finally admit they were wrong that we smile.
What kind of lunatic would hate McCain and love Thompson?
One who does ZERO – ZILCH – NADA research on THEM!
HAW HAW HAW!!!! “We’re Sisters! Two of a Kind!” originally sang by Rosemary Clooney and Vera Allen was written just for Fred and John.