“Stay positive and stay focused”
I wanted to share a message I received from a Republican staffer on the Hill–where they know John McCain best. Many GOP staffers will not support John McCain, but they share the principles I expressed yesterday in my Quo Vadis column:
John McCain is the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party. That is unfortunate, and I am sad to say that I cannot support him – as is the case with many people I know – for many of the reasons explored repeatedly on NRO and other places. As a Hill staffer, those of you who share my view and I know what is at stake – at least as much as anyone… from the confirmation of judges to the War on Terror and beyond. But, as a Hill staffer, many of us find him to be a petty, often vindictive man who treats people – from Senators to junior female staffers – disrespectfully and, frankly, without the manners appropriate for a Senator, much less a President.
His votes and stances are a matter of record and have been fully explored in many places. But we, as Hill staffers, have seen his personal vitriol up close and personally. Whether it has been personal confrontations with Senators or his cussing out of and demeaning comments toward staffers – whether it was his arrogance and dismissal of concerned conservatives displayed during the “Gang of 14” or his or his staff’s constant, repeated – often vindictive and very personal – undermining of conservative principles in the immigration debate – John McCain has proven time and time again that his worthiness to lead our Party, much less our nation, is more than questionable.
I believe it matters who you choose to follow. The “lesser-of-two-evils” argument is always compelling, but I simply have come to the conclusion that John McCain, for all his patriotism, is not the kind of man I want to follow and that I want to represent me, my country and my Party.
That said, the next 9 months will be an important time for conservatism. Whether you are a conservative, like me, who chooses not to vote for Senator McCain, whether you are a conservative who chooses to hold your nose and vote for him, or whether you are fully behind him, it is important to remember two things… 1) it is absolutely reasonable to support him in the face of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton – potentially the most liberal individuals ever to run for the American Presidency – individuals who will undermine our military, choose activist judges, expand the size of government, raise taxes, show contempt for the unborn and the institution of marriage and otherwise disregard fundamental American values; and 2) you must show up to vote for conservative Senators and Congressmen regardless of your disaffection for Senator McCain or your frustration (shared by many of us) with the current Senate and House Republican leadership.
Regardless of who wins the Presidency this November, the best hope conservatives have to affect public policy in a positive direction is to get highly motivated to gain conservative seats in the Senate and the House, not to sit around moping about the likely nomination of John McCain. We must stay positive and focused…
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Irish Rose, #290, what lesson am I supposed to learn from that story? Not to go around dropping 5.5 ton ship anchors?
Or not to go around leaving other kinds of droppings?
You know sci fi author Arthur C. Clarke once wrote..”The best way to pick a
President is to look for the person who is most qualified and wants the job the
least. You carry him to the White House kicking and screaming and if he does
a good job you let him out in four years for good behavior.” There is definitely something to that ( and I used only him because this was written
before there was any thought, outside of sci fi, of a female president.
Ok, just logged in today and I see the McCain bots are on the loose. What is up with the venom from IrishRose? Sounds like McCain talking to a REpublican in the senate, no offense, but I saw so many personal atack- stick to the facts. AS to McCain, I cannot at this time support or vote for McCain. By some people giving in so easily because we have 2 socialists on the other side, it only justifies McCain to say scre* you all. Meaning, he will have a green light to do as he always has and as he pleases, offending conservatives. He has made NO EFFORT to court the conservatives, none, ust tells us to get over it and scares us with Hill or Obama. At least wait for him to give in on some things before everyone gives up and says they will vote for him. I won’t, not unless I see major major changes in his positions. Again, I am not afraid of 4 years of socialists. And who seems to really think McCain will give us conservative judges. Again, he has almost single handedly blocked most of Bush’s conservative judges. We will get more liberal judges from McCain, and the Congress, if republicans are numerous enough, will have to support “their” president. If we focus on the congressionl races and elect more conservatives there, then even if we have a socialist in the white house, we can fight them, like the dems did with Bush, with the abundant help from McCain. I also don’t think he is strong on terrorism: Iraq is not the war against islamic extrimism, it is only a very small part of it. McCain has done much to harm our ability (Gitmo, rights to terrorists, no water boarding, etc.) to ensure we cannot win this war where espionage and interrogations are VERY important. This is not a conventional war and McCain is just a conventional warrior.
Arthur C Clarke, Imperial Earth! TXRose, you’re the first person I have run into that knew that!
Indeed, Rose. If the Democrats were running Zell Miller, I’d be off working on his campaign! (As I suspect quite a few folks here would)
It seems this comment thread has pretty much run it’s course. So I’m off to watch “David and Bathsheeba” on TBN with Gregory Peck. Ripping good movie!
May you and yours have a grand Friday nite.
I believe I-Rose was offering a humorous break to all the uber-seriousness, SHoward.
But, to be sure, I’m more conscious of where my fleet drops anchor now!
By the way, I loved that speech Mitt gave, it made me cry. I wish he had gven it earlier. I really believe he grew a lot and matured in this process as a politician, I think he will be ready in 2012 and I hope we nominate him. I am not one to recall REagan, though I love him, because I believe the current leader of the party needs to be their own man. But that speech Mitt gave reminded me of REagan. I was very moved. I pray for him and his family, I pray that they stay strong and let Mitt run again. If I were his wife, I don’t think I could allow that wonderful man to get so savagely attacked again, as he was by libs, the media, MCCain, Huckster and liberal republicans. I have come out of this from not knwoing anything about this guy to having tremendous respect for him.
SHoward….Must confess that my mind is a cesspool of trivia and that I am a
prolific reader. My husband has accused me of even reading toilet paper wrappers. Can’t help being a bibliophile. AC Clarke is one of my favorites, but
there are so many and so many genres. It’s like my music library. You would not
believe whats in there. Had a librarian tell me that I have too many books. That’s
bad.
Purplepeep has a point. I could get behind Zell Miller.
Question for all those better educated and better informed than me: If we pulled out of Iraq, would the terrorists be less upset at us, and would we have a better chance at avoiding another attack?
Also, whats up with this national debt deal? Is America about to go out of business? Someone please explain to me.
Well, Patchthebun, I’ll lay no claim to being better educated than anyone, but methinks the answer to your first question is in the question, as well as history.
We weren’t in Iraq in 2001.
As far as the national debt goes, actually in theory the debt holders could come a’callin’ and that would have an effect on trade and national level finances.
Would we close up? No. We do have the ability to prevent that.
I think everyone’s aversion to more debt is personal: none of us can run our lives that way without going broke, so our contry should probably behave in a more fiscally responsible manner.
PP
You are really going to ridiculous extremes by twisting my words to imply that there was some plot against me personally. Really now. You darn well know that is not what I said or what I implied.
Again, you totally missed the points I was making. If you look up in the sky, they are up there about 50,000 feet over your head.
If you have something positive to offer in the way of your views or opinions, please do so. Twisting other people’s words while offering nothing of substance other than Dear Abby advice on internet etiquette is not exactly positive.
On February 8th, 2008 at 10:33 pm, Patchthebun said:
I believe that the correct answer to that question would be, “no”.
You might do some reading on this topic over at wwww.jihadwatch.org.
Little Green Footballs (www.littlegreenfootballs.com) is also an excellent source of information.
The terrorist have been upset at us for a long time now and we have had zero attacks in the USA….could we have less that zero if we changed our strategy?
National debt…the USA in in debt to the tune of $9,400,000,000,000 with unfunded mandates of about $48,000,000,000,000, (promises made with no moeny appropriated to keep the promises). The debt is increasing at about $1,000,000 per minute.
Some people believe this is a problem, but no one ever seems to do anything about it.
Patch..that kind of blind consuming hatred won’t stop even if we leave Iraq. They
would just follow us home.
As to the nat’l debt…it would be wonderful if our politicians could treat our tax
dollars with respect instead of acting like someone on Jerry Springer that just won
the lottery and can’t wait to mindlessly blow the entire jackpot.
Savagely attacked? Oh please. He deserved every bit of scorn thrown his way. The designer handbags in Chinatown are more authentic than him.
Mookie, do you enjoy a fight? You certainly seem to go out of your way to
antagonize people. Mitt’s gone. Let’s don’t beat up on him now. And on
that note, I’m calling it a night. My little dog wants to play before bedtime.
Patch
regarding the first part of your question, you might want to take a look at this:
http://www.strategycenter.net/include/docFormat_list.asp?docRecNo=725&docType=0
This is the unclassified assessment written by Major Coughlin (the officer who was accused of being anti-Muslim and run out of the Pentagon, only to be rehired in another capacity).
It is perhaps one of if not the best assessment I have seen of what we face concerning Islamic terrorism. Their ultimate goal which they believe is a duty imposed upon them by Allah, is to conquer the world and convert it to Islam. Death in the pursuit of this goal, they believe, gets them an automatic ticket to the Promised land.
They view capitulation as a sign of weakness, which only emboldens them to greater conquests. If we exited Iraq, the post withdrawal death toll for those they viewed as cooperating with the infidels would be staggering. And their “victory” against the west would only serve to garner more support in the Islamic world than they have now. It would produce a staggering momentum for their cause.
Pakistan would soon fall, giving them complete access to an arsenal of over 60 nuclear weapons. And they would hesitate to use them directly or as a threat. You would long for the days of $3 per gallon gasoline, and an economic calamity would threaten the entire world.
Of course, oil would flow freely to Islamic states, which could be a tipping point to cause some countries to “convert” to Islamic rule. We would see former allies become enemies.
Oh, this is rich.
Because I didn’t drink the Romney Kool-Aid, I’m an antagonizer? I live in MA. I was here when he was governor. The man who ran for president is not the same man who was governor nor the same man who ran for Senate. Three completely different people.
Please accept my apologies for interrupting the McCain flogging. Please continue.
First Skirt, #256
That’s using your head. No sitting out the election. There is much to do. Sitting out the election is exactly what the liberals want: a dispirited and petulant conservative base is their wet dream (wouldn’t you just love it if the likes of Al Franken decided to sit and stew in his own juices?) Don’t give the liberals the satisfaction. In fact, show the liberals that winding up with McCain as our candidate is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to them - show them they have awakened the sleeping giant, and now he’s taking the gloves off because he’s just plain pissed off.
There is much to feel good about when you’re strong, and we’re stong because we’re right, and Sheriff Openboarders isn’t going to change that.
Thanks for the flattering words, JW. Newt was on O’Reilly tonight and also said the same thing without the details - given the alternative, there really isn’t an even remotely sensible choice. Sit it out and see Supreme Court Justices like Ruth Bader-Ginsberg take control and rule down everything we so desperately feel is important literally for the rest of our lives?
No way.
Besides, look at it this way: we had Ford, Carter, Reagan, in that order.
So now we have Bush II, McCain and…?
If history repeats itself, if we make it repeat itself, this could, incredibly, be a much better situation than the first sceario if, in 4 or 8 years, we find just the right name to replace that question mark. If we could, imagine the world then!
That’s where our heads need to be, now. So we suffer through Sheriff Openboarders for 4 years knowing his judicial nominations won’t be a fraction as bad as those chosen by Hillary and Obama, because he’ll want a second term, and then we do everything we can to get him replaced after the first four years. Not so bad. And the new Republican President after him signs legislation from the new Republican congress making whatever immigration law McCain signed moot by making the new, tougher laws retroactive by four years (major constitutional hurdles there, but not without precident).
I hate to say it, but as much as I really dislike McCain immensely, we not only need to vote for him, we have to get behind him to ensure that he gets elected. We just can’t risk Hillary or Obama and their choices of legislation to sign and Supreme Court Justices to nominate. Period.
Jim, no “twisting” is required. Unless you want to claim this is not your stated position:
(McCain) “has apparently deployed his minions to sites like this to force people into line through the use of tactics I find objectionable.”
The question is not that difficult - you either believe your own claim or you do not. I can certainly understand you desperately want to distance yourself from such obviously paranoic claims, but this is your claim.
It’s really not hard to answer if one is not terrified. The question repeatedly posed you which is based on your own claim, is: Do you believe it? If so, how do you figure Michelle into the plot against you?
A last, sane option, that I posed before: can you conceive that is it even remotely possible that sincere, good people just happen to disagree with you - that no conspiracy to “silence you” is needed?
As noted, I understand such an admission may terrify - but isn’t it much more rational than your particular version of reality?
If you don’t believe there is any possibility outside of your conspiracy scenerios can you comprehend why rational folks might consider you paranoid?
Fred Thompson has endorsed McCain.
I would feel better about this if I knew that McCain had adopted Fred’s immigration plan…..
I hope he asks Fred to be his VP and they talk up his immigration plan and tax plan.
That would satisfy me!
No such thing, T-Rose - as long as you’ve read them all! I have a boatload to give to the library or maybe some 2ndhand store.
PP & Jim M, if I could interject:
Jim, I suppose your objection to the idea of the McCain camp sending minions to sites to sway public opinion is justification for additional dislike of the man. May I make a few points, from the POV of someone who simply can’t stand McCain?
1. I doubt those who dislike him, like myself, could dislike him more knowing his camp was doing something they all do (you don’t really think those polls in which Ron Paul gets gigantically high TV real time poll numbers would be possible without redial, do you?)
2. Ultimately, so what? What are you going to do? Sit it out? Vote third party and book a trip to the moon when Hillary or Obama turn the United States of America, with an anxiously willing congress, into a marxist utopian worker’s paradise?
It seems to me like there are are 2 kinds of McCain bashing left available:
1. The kind that shows him up to derail his candidacy in the hopes Huckabee will get the nod. Forget it. The Southern states are spent and both the numbers and demographics are an avalanch in McCain’s favor.
2. The kind that shows him up to solidify a conservative consensus to impress upon him if he wants to keep his job a second four years if he wins the first.
I’m all for number 2. Number 1 is just wasting time.
I’d say - given the reality of the situation - your analysis has it’s merit, MrCC.
Has Michelle opened registration for the site over the past couple of weeks? If not, wouldn’t that render moot the argument about the McCain camp sending over people to defend him?
Yup, Mookie, that’s one reason why I dismissed the claim as an emotional driven fantasy. A person would really have to work to finger Michelle as some kind of “covert McCain operative”!
I certainly disagree with Michelle often enough, but to question her honesty falls into the shameful “beyond the pale” category to me.
THINK! There is a reason that Newt is desperate to circumnavigate the FULL DISCLOSURE “comeback” route.
Let’s all be VERY BLOODY TIRED of NOT INVESTIGATING properly before getting all emotional about a politician.
Ask any pastor, getting someone “to pray” if an individual is supposed to be your new spouse or not is very hard to sincerely get a person to do AFTER THE HORMONES HAVE KICKED IN.
I just did a new search on Newt last week, since he is desperately trying to position himself to “FALL BACK INTO GRACE” at the
Dem, er uhm, GOP Convention, later this year.And the brunt of his problems was NOT on his serial adultery and remarriagesm ir crude remarks about why he left #2 for mistress #???, etc, etc.
It was on political financial indiscretions. and “other”.
So you can’t vote for mccain & will vote for an inexperienced colored boy or feminist communist.
traitors like you are what cost us the last election. it’s so called conservatives like you who are more of enemy to conservatives than mccain can ever be. I hate mccain more than you all do but I hate crat colored boys & feminist commies more. those 2 would be more destructive to american than mccain can ever be.
I will NOT vote for McCain. I will not bless such a Socialist. I will not accept moral responsibility for his actions.
SCOTUS? Warren Rudman who gave us David Souter is McCain’s campaign manager - plus his nominees have to say that McCain Feingold and McCain Kennedy Shamnesty are CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL bills.
War on Terror?
Waterboarding,
ANTI-TORTURE Amendment,
CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS for TERRORISTS AT GITMO before American CIVILIAN COURTS,
FIRST TO YELL when American soldiers are scrutinized for wrong doing - YELLING CONDEMNATION - NOT DEFENDING THEIR HONOR!
KISS MY GRITS!
This is the man that helped Hanoi John and Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy MOW DOWN THE ISSUES OF VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES in his haste to make LUCRATIVE TREATIES with North VietCONG in the late 90’s.
This is the man that FALSELY ACCUSED The REPUBLICANS of ATTACKING HIM for supporting the TROOP SURGE he tried to take credit for CREATING!
When faced with a conflict between Swift Boat Veterans and Hanoi John - REMEMBER WHO HE SIDED WITH!
ALL the Republicans in Congress supported the surge AND NOT ONE ATTACKED HIM OVER THE ISSUE.
I will do a write-in of a Conservative in November.
There is NOTHING that GOP VOTERS can do at this point to save the TROOPS, the BORDER, or the NATION from LIBERAL AGENDAS - LEAST of all by voting for McCain!
You need to worry about presenting yourself AS “STANDING CLEAR”, and not being “too close” when “stuff” hits the fan.
Think clearly about it.
McCain standing on a stage for 9 full months ALONE with NO SCAPEGOATS nearby him at all.
9 months of DAYS with cameras in HIS face!
Personally, I remember where I was when the Berlin Wall came down.
Ombre Rose,
Your passion, as always, is more than apparent but I think it very seriously clouds your clear thinking.
You cite a million reasons, some legit, some questionable (let’s not get into which is which, I detest him, too), as to why McCain is an undesirable candidate. But what you need to do, I think, is make a similar list of Hillary’s and Obama’s lack of desirability. And Obama’s, particularly, has an enormously vast bullet point, which eclipses all, under the simple banner of “no experience”. “No experience” is being treated like a neutral commodity these days if the candidate has good enough oratory skills, but it’s actually a disastrous aspect for a candidate to have.
Remember Rose, there is no such thing as a neutral inaction. In elections, particularly, doing nothing is casting a vote one way or the other. You can’t run from it and you can’t posture your way out of it, no matter how passionately you make your case. “Sending messages” is living in a fantasy: a message needs force and momentum and dissemination and repetition to even be noticed by a small percentage of the population, and any voter “sending a message” to Washington with write-ins might as well be spitting into the wind.
Now, I asked you this once before and you never answered, so I’ll ask it again:If you write-in, or sit-out or whatever - in other words, if you don’t actively support the candidate you dislike so badly, and the opposition wins, and the opposition postures and gives orders which make us weak and vulnerable and 80,000 people are killed in a major city by a dirty bomb, and many times that made ill and debilitated, can you still look at yourself in the mirror and say, “I was right to vote my conscience?”
It’s what every Republican voter and/or conservative needs to ask his or her self. It isn’t a rhetorical question and it isn’t asked for dramatic effect. It’s a real question and I’m curious about a real answer.
If by the inaction of putting your “feelings” above the good of the nation (an illness some conservatives seem to have caught from liberals these days, it appears), you contribute your little share to the deaths of 80,000 of your innocent, hardworking fellow Americans, and breaking the hearts and destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands more as those killed will be grieved, will you still, knowing what you did, be able to look at yourself in the mirror and say “Yes, I was right and I’d do it again.”
Let me give you a head’s up from where I stand: if your answer is “yes”, then in my opinion, knowing the potential in advance, you are self-aggrandizing delusional to the point of having very serious issues with reality, to put it politely. No offense, but I mean that sincerely.
Your feelings are important. Your sense of ethics and morality are important. But your little feelings do not trump the needs of your country. If every soldier in our military thought like you do, then we’d have no heroes.
We all have to do lousey things for our Country, shi*ty things we simply hate. But you and I, by the Grace of God, are not called upon to go out and die while doing them. But as you know, our soldiers do. For you to say that voting for a candidate you detest is too difficult and too painful for you to do, you and like-minded soulmates should take another spin around Arlington National Cemetary sometime. Look at each grave, Rose. In that instant of death, as realization hit, I’ll bet all of them wished with all their heart that they were instead home with their loved ones, but I’ll bet not one regretted doing what needed to be done.
Now, once last time: if you write-in or otherwise contribute to the opposition winning the general election and it results in the deaths of many thousands of your fellow citizens, will you still be able to look yourself in the mirror and say “I did the right thing”, knowing beforehand , as you do right here and now, that your personally-driven motivation could indeed result in exactly such a disaster?
It isn’t a happy question, but it’s a legitimate one. I look forward to your answer.
The Conservatives in the GOP needs to purge the RINOs & CINOs now or this will keep happening every time there’s an presidential election. At this pace Ron Paul will be up next and the GOP will be telling everyone to shut up, get behind, fall in line and that’s he’s not a nutbag.
Now that Romney is out, I wonder if there will be a backlash against McCain…in the form of many votes for Huck. If McCain continues to draw a lot of delegates, it shows that the majority really do want him. It’s a “wait and see”.
Why would anyone want to vote for Huckleberry - who sold out all those he flattered to get their votes on a foundation of getting rid of abortion - then he sucks up big tome to McCain who promises not to disturb the Roe v Wade or allow an anti-abortion Amendment!
Huckleberry is a sellout and a clown.
Plus at least as big an open borders j#cka$$ as McCain.
Ronald Reagan at CPAC 1975.
we are on the THIRD ROUND and this time, I feel the earth move under my feet.
I am looking to “STAND CLEAR”.
I am NOT buying myself a cut of what is going down next.
I find it difficult to support the GOP establishment, yet I remain highly motivated to support local conservatives in the hopes we will gain conservative seats in the Senate and the House.
I refuse to pull the lever for the republican party this year. I’ll do the hard work of picking specific individuals instead. McAmnesty and the GOP establishment saw to that.
I have ALREADY helped bury some of my friends and neighbors, who were found by their daughters - a wide variety of different families, I am talking about - NOT ONE OR TWO - DUE TO THE POLICIES MOST HEARTILY ESPOUSED BY McCAIN.
LITERALLY.
Let me tell you - THEY WERE MUTILATED TO DEATH. And not too quickly WE CAN TELL.
Maybe you want to know what I mean by that.
Further let me tell you, THEY WERE NOT TRAFFICKING IN ANY ASPECT OF THAT BUSINESS - they were being KIND and DECENT and CIVILIZED and minding their own business.
HIS policies HAVE ALREADY cost more lives than you are ever going to acknowledge. They are now down to KIDNAPPING LITTLE BITTY CHILDREN TO USE AS HUMAN SHIELD IN THEIR SHOOTOUTS - and McCain’s policy is TO REMOVE THAT BORDER ENTIRELY!
So you tell ME this.
Considering what is PAR between McCain FEINGOLD - and THE STAMP ACT - considering how our Founding Fathers reacted to the SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE of THE STAMP ACT - how do YOU think the Foundinf Fathers would vote FOR ONE OF THE SEVERAL AUTHORS OF McCAIN FEINGOLD??????
And then KISS MY GRITS!
yes.
sorry.
Read the oldest documents of the Founding Fathers you can get. and be encouraged, God is with us, yet.
Pay attention to the facts o n the gorund, It isn’t fun, it isn’t easy, but blanking out won’t help.
Paryer is the solution. Hang tight onto the Hand. Above all else.
McCain - fighting hardest of all to get the Terrorists full CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS to trials before AMERICAN CIVILIAN COURTS.
His Campaign manager is Warren Rudman who gave us David Souter.
McCain’s judges WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER McCAIN FEINGOLD AS BRILLIANT LAW and ALSO ENDORSE McCAIN KENNEDY SHAMNESTY and many other McCain bills and tenets - like WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE - .
THAT McCAIN DEFINITION of “CONSERVATIVE” would be the new standard for Judges. McCain has PRIMISED NOT TO TOUCH Rove V Wade but treat it as ESTABLISHED LAW - NO anti-abortion AMENDMENT - NO marriage protection AMENDMENT - any judge he appoints MUST OF COURSE think all THAT is BRILLIANT.
So get a grip that by PRETENDING, you can make McCain become something HE CLEARLY IS NOT and HAS NO INTENTIONS of becoming.
Prayer is the answer! 2 Chronicles 7:14
On February 9th, 2008 at 6:57 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
Absolutely spot on… every single word of it.
THIS is the message that I’ve been trying to convey to frothing conservatives on this blog and elsewhere, for the last three days.
For those who didn’t read it on a previous thread, I happen to be a military parent. My son is a US Marine currently out on deployment. My daughter is enlisting early this summer, and my youngest child will be enlisting within the next couple of years. All three will be serving under our next POTUS.
For this reason, I am heavily invested in the outcome of this election, and all too aware of the terrible cost that will be paid if we drop the ball. We are still a nation at war, and the issues that we are dealing with here are deadly serious.
Unfortunately, willfully ignorant comments like the one just above mine only serve to indicate that far too many conservative Republicans STILL don’t get it. And I’m sure that similar comments will follow this one… because people only read what they what to read.
You could talk to them about the looming reality of dirty bombs until you are blue in the face, and they will continue to froth about RINOs. You could talk about the importance of supporting our military during a time of war until your tonsils are bleeding, and they would continue to rant on about their principals.
It’s simply beyond disgusting.
On February 9th, 2008 at 4:45 am, namvet527 said:
Are the racist comments really necessary here?
Just asking.
PP
Any substance to offer here? You seem to be adept at tearing apart other people’s positions through parsing and twisting, but you have offered zero in terms of substance.
You have gone beyond ridiculous in your assertions and accustaions. I am on board with Michelle on her positions, and to imply that I am somehow accusing her of allowing McCain operatives onto this site to stir things up is beyond the pale.
You are the one desperately searching for a conspiracy where there is none, and are employing the tactics of destruction to further your self created point.
There are those who believe it is necessary to discredit and destroy the work of others to bring it down to their level. That is one way to achieve equality, but does nothing to advance matters.
You may want to get out of your mother’s basement more often and get a view on how the world works. Or at least loosen up the tape on your glasses.
Who do you support in this election? Why? What you believe conservatives should do? Those would be issues of substance.
Thanks Irish Rose, calling us “self-aggrandizing delusional to the point of having very serious issues with reality” for not going against our principles and voting for someone that we believe would hurt this country because YOU say so.. well you’ve got me convinced - no way in hell will I vote McCain now, you just reminded me how important it is to vote for the right person as president, and McCain ain’t it! Neither are either of the Dems that are up, but that does not mean I have to vote for them either. Well done for solidifying my decision a little more.
On February 9th, 2008 at 8:55 am, Jim M. said:
Sorry Jim, but I agree with PP on this one.
Your words are in writing, there they are. And sorry, but YES… it does look like paranoia.
And insulting PP to discredit her or shut her down, does not change what you said.
I’m not in agreement with MM on this issue obviously, but she would never agree to what you are suggesting. The very idea is ludicrous.
If what you said is not what you actually meant, Jim, then feel free to correct it here. You’ve been invited to do so more than once now.
Shall I repost my ENIRE comment for you to read again, or are you able to read the entire thing on your own?
Taking one sentence out of relatively long post and ficusing on that is called taking things out of context. I am not going to get into a word by word battle over a post. If the points I was making escape you, so be it.
And Irish Rose, you are front and center is telling people to shut up. You said you were leaving the site. Have you changed your mind?
Two Roses, of very different colors:
Ombre Rose
First, from you, a seemingly endless stream-of-consciousness rampage of mindless hatred masquerading as heartfelt intensity, eventually capped by this sophisticated little gem:
In my opinion you have some very serious - meaning not a joke - self-control problems lady, and it’s posts like yours, loud and easily cherry-picked by liberals, which make it so easy for them to paint conservatives online and their hosts as wild-eyed extremists with the broad brush you so mindless hand to them, coveralls and cap.
Incidentally, speaking of your host, she has been very nice in asking you to cut it out with the five miles of caps, already. Rest assured you won’t bludgeon us into accepting your POV with the visual equivalent of a screaming tirade. Be a good guest and cut the visually screaming excess.
For the record, you never did answer my question directly, Ombre.
Irish Rose
Thank you, Irish. I have little time compared to what I would like to spend on this (my work occupies me nearly constantly) so if you want to cut and paste that post anywhere and you think it will do some good, sans credit to moi or no, please be my guest. In fact, I’m asking you to. We need to bring some practical sanity to this discussion, and if you think it will help elsewhere, by all means, pick it up and get it out there. Thanks.
On February 9th, 2008 at 9:06 am, nyc123me said:
I didn’t call you that, I simply agreed with someone else who did.
Hey Jim, no pushing Irish out the door. Some of us like her.
As for you not voting responsibly and putting true socialists into the White House for the first time in this country’s history, how about if you answer the question I posed to Ombre, and answer it directly.
On February 9th, 2008 at 9:22 am, Irish Rose said:
On February 9th, 2008 at 9:06 am, nyc123me said:
I’ll be happy to repeat it again, too. Those of us who are sucking it in by voting for McCain have principles, too, which one would not know from some of these posts, and I feel our principles are better than theirs, quite frankly, with all due respect. We’re doing something monumentally unplesant personally for the good of the country, as opposed to doing something for ourselves, and when you vote in contradiction to the good of the country over a misplaced sense of priciple, you’re doing it for yourself. Sorry, but that’s how it shakes out unless you explain how allowing Hillary or Obama will be good for the country (and none of that Rush-on-meds stuff about uniting the conervatives as we all skip into the land of Oz, because that’s what that theory is, the land of Oz.)
Irish,m et al, I have to go out, but this discussionis one of the best I’ve seen in terms of getting down to the bone of the matter. I’ll be back in a few hours if anyone’s game.
On February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am, Jim M. said:
No, thats’ only your perception.
Aside from the bully who tried to take control of the conversation in an earlier thread, I have not told anyone here to “shut up”.
You know, I’ve seen you do this kind of thing to me more than once now, Jim. You verbally bully people here to advance your position or control the content of the discussion.
And it’s not just me, you’re also using the same bullying tactics in an attempt to shut down PP.
I’ve been a regular for some time now, and I’ve seen you do it to others as well.
Sorry, but I have no respect for people who communicate like this.
This blog is not yours to control or direct, get a clue.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that the only way that you can deflect criticism, is to bully. And honestly, you’re not a very good at it.
I’m sure you’ll now give me a frothy response to try and provoke a reaction that you can use to show everyone what an angry, irrational person I am.
Knock yourself out.
Ok I wrongly attributed the comment to Irish instead of Mr.C-Cat, but the point is the same. I can only say that we’ll have to agree to disagree - voting for someone who is bad for the country is not, imho, doing the country any favors. Nor is voting for someone who is even worse, and yes I get your point that not voting McCain is indirectly a vote for the Dems (whichever one gets the nod is irrelevant), however I also believe that either way it goes (D or R), this country is in deep trouble, and I would prefer not to see the Republican party take the blame for it. It does not matter which way you vote, you’re going to get a Dem in the top spot, even if it’s a RINO-Dem, so let the Dems take responsibility for what is about to happen to this country. America is going to learn the hard way, that much is unavoidable.
Not pushing anyone out the door. She is the one who said she was leaving. And when I pointed that out, PP took exception to that, and everything else I have posted since then.
I do not know what your question was, but they way you have set up the question by stating that one can either vote “responsibly” or irresponsibly is more than a little offensive. The clear implication is that those that do not vote for McCain do not care what is best for the country, and that is an implication that I highly resent.
Just my perception.
Criticism is one thing. personal attacks and trying to torture a meaning by taking words out of context is something quite differeint.
You obviously have an expansive definition of bullying. Defending oneself from personal attacks and taking exception to being told to “STFU”(your comment Irish Rose) is hardly bullying.
I have gone out of my way to lay out my thoughts on the topics presented, providing a level of substance and what I believe is support for my positions. That has been met by glib sniping and tortured innuendo, but not once with a well articulated and reasoned position as to why other options should be on the table.
As for your comment:
From where I sit, you don’t need any help from me.
Read it again, Jim.
Did I say anywhere in that paragraph, that I am “leaving”?
I have no patience or respect for bullies.
#352 Jim
Oh, please.
It’s standard behavior for a serial bully to deflect criticism by painting themselves as an oppressed victim when someone calls them on their behavior.
I’m sure you’d love nothing more than an opportunity for more self-aggrandizing discussion to inflate your already overinflated ego.
But this thread is not about you and I, as much as you’d like it to be. You are now on “ignore”.
Back to the topic at hand.
Irish Rose : “All due respect Michelle, but you’ve lost a longtime faithful reader… and so have some of the other conservative blogs out there who have lost their sense of priority”
Yes, that DOES mean you are leaving. Nobody cares about your little hissy-fit threat to leave, so just leave already and stew in your self-importance somewhere else. Sheesh.
OMG comment #355 Irish …you are sick if you cannot see the naked contradiction.
I resent for being scolded by Rush who said that he warned us that McCain would be the result of voting OUT the Republicans in 2006.
I’m glad I voted against the Republicans in 2006 and I will gladly vote for Obama against McCain.
If the Republicans want my vote, they will start having to BEHAVE like Republicans first.
On February 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:
I’m very interested in continuing this discussion CC, because I think it’s critically important to do so. However personal business will probably call me away later on today.
Please keep asserting reason and rationality into this discussion. It’s very much needed here, to balance out the irrational.
Why don’t you give each other an award?
*chuckle*
John McCain has a slim chance of being elected President. The country and the electorate are extremely anti-GOP and anti-George Bush. Heck, many conservatives feel just the same way. Nine months is a long time, but things are not looking too bright at this time for the GOP. God help us all if/when Clinton or Obama get elected President. The sad but true fact is that McCain is not an inspiring choice either. IMHO each candidate is critically flawed on many issues. Like I wrote, God help us.
Michelle, an observation if I may:
You really do have an outstanding blog here, but in all honesty the content threads are starting to resemble the disjointed comment section over at the DU and it’s been going that way for some time now.
I’m referring here to the repetitive foaming of people who cannot tolerate disagreement, the screaming caps, the controlling behaviors, etc. of some of your regulars.
This is a respectable and serious adult blog, with mainstream exposure and tremendous potential.
Hopefully at some point you’ll grow tired of the resident gang of bullies who try to dominate every single discussion thread and intimidate people that they disagree with here at MM, and do some serious culling of the registration.
I enjoy this site and I’ll continue to read (and post on the rare occasion), but it sure would be nice to read through - or participate in - some intelligent adult discussion, without having to put up with the short list of control freaks who never seem to let up off it.
They reflect very poorly upon the host.
My opinion.
Sooooooo, I decided to call it quits a little too early last night and people got cranky.
What I said last night still works today. We have almost a year before the November
election. A lot of things can happen between now and then. We work to refill the
house and senate both in DC and at the state level. We watch McCain very closely to
see if he is actually trying to work with the true conservatives in our party or if he is
true to form and wanting us to sit down and shut up and let he and Dr Hernandez
sell us out to Mexico.
Now, this is truly incomprehensible. He thinks, “I’m a republican who’s mad at Rush, I hate John McCain, so I’ll vote for the completely inexperienced Marxist liberal who wants to quit in Iraq for his own partisan benefit.”
How can anyone who’s even remotely conservative actually go cast a vote to put Barack Obama in the Oval Office, C-n-C in a time of war?
I will never understand this. This is what you call a political hissy fit.
You gave us Speaker Pelosi, now you want to give us President Obama?
Some people will never make any sense to me.
On February 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am, Charles B. Simpson said:
I wouldn’t give yourself over to despair just yet Charles. I’m certainly not.
We really just need to calm down, take a wait-and-see attitude and see what transpires. The general election is not until November. A lot can happen between now and then.
After hashing out some of my thoughts here yesterday (my problems with McCain), I’ve decided there is nothing else for me to do but go ahead and bite into the excrement sandwich the Republican Party has served me(hold the Mayo). I’ll need a strong chaser(conservative VP?), but I think I can swallow it, compared to the Democrat poison. What an election.
On February 9th, 2008 at 11:54 am, Brian72 said:
/understatement ;).
#362 Irish ROSe..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!
omg..
I’m sorry, but after reading all the ad hominem attacks you’ve made over the last couple of days, and the little hissy fits threatening to leave if everyone doesn’t do as you say.. then you post this little gem:
“I’m referring here to the repetitive foaming of people who cannot tolerate disagreement, the screaming caps, the controlling behaviors, etc. of some of your regulars.” etc. etc.
Seriously, I almost wet myself laughing. You’re something else Irish Rose.
I’m off o/seas for a week. Have fun.
Again, I never said at any time that I am “leaving”.
Nor have I told everyone here that they have to “do what I say”, or tried to silence anyones’ opinion by telling them to “shut up”.
As for all those “ad hominem” attacks that you’re referring to, nyc123m2, I’ll leave it up to the monitors here to decide whether or not I’ve gone overboard.
In light of the ongoing effort by the resident bullies here to make me “go away”, I think that my discourse over the last two days has been more than civil.
And far more civil than some of you deserve.
So, you are not going to vote for Mcain, noway, nohow. Okey dokey. How do you feel about losing Iraq ( especially the Kurds who want us there) and, in about
four years, a nuclear armed Iran. Suicide bombers will be passe’ because now
the terrorists can blow us to hell and gone in one fell swoop. If that doesn’t make you think, then nothing will. Unless you want to consider HRC deciding
that the salary you make is too much and you need to be taxed at a much higher
rate than you can conceive so that ilegals can have better health care. Just saying
think now that you have vented. I am still upset because all of these states that
have already voted have decided for me who the candidate will be and I don’t
think that is fair but I am going to move ahead intelligently and not as a child
throwing a temper tantrum ( which is what I would really like to do, but I outgrew that a whoooole lot of years ago).
On February 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, TXRose said:
I’m really sorry too, I wish that it were not so for those who never had a chance to vote for their candidate of choice in the primaries.
John McCain isn’t my first choice, and I really wish that Mitt, Fred and Rudy would have stayed in the race long enough to see the primaries through.
My hope is that Mr. McCain is smart enough now to choose a running mate who is able to address the concerns of right-leaning members of the conservative base who feel disenfranchised, do what it takes to strengthen our military and military families both here and abroad, and take a strong position on issues of National Security.
It’s going to be a tough choice for Mr. McCain. I hope he makes the right one.
That coupled with a total inability to state if he believes people are plotting against him (to silence him) or not would indicate he’s not quite ready to let go of his conspiracy theory.
Thank you for the defense, I-Rose. No doubt you and I differ vigorously on a lotta things - as all folks do - but I don’t suspect it’s a result of you setting up a cabal,lol
BTW, I-Rose, it a “him” not a “her”. Unless you want to pay for a complex, painful procedure that I’d just as soon rather not go through. Besides, I can hit a lot of the high notes in our National Anthem just fine as I am, hahaha!
I would never dare suggest that a set of breasts are required for intelligent debate :).
The important thing here, is that you are still willing to sing the National Anthem.
And you shouldn’t, Jim - folks here are bright and ,frankly , you’d be on the losing end of that proposition.
But that’s not what folks here are asking you and the fact you seem to be frozen in terror at the prospect of answering the question that has been posed reveals much.
You’ve stated you think the reason everyone in every thread is telling you you’re an idiot and to “STFU” is because there’s a covert McCain-run plan.
Do you still believe that or not?
?? No idea what you’re rambling on about there.
Jim, skip the insults, the personal attacks, the bullying - no one in these parts is much impressed by such nonsense anyway. Just see if it’s possible, for once, for you to not dodge the basic question.
Way to many suggestive/naughty responses for that line I can’t settle on just one! So I’ll just do a Groucho: pull the cigar outta my mouth and wildly raise my eyebrows instead.
Well, I like singing all around, I-Rose. But there’s nothing like the goosebumps you get from singing about Old Glory.
I have always assumed (yes, I know the comeback) that you were a male Peep.
Hope you enjoyed the movie last night. Don’t know how many times I have
seen it, but didn’t watch it again last night. Little girl decided to turn herself
on and when that happens she becomes ( all 4# of her) “she who cannot be
ignored.”
A quick perusal of some of the conservative blogs today, and it looks like a lot of the angry ranting and browbeating has died down.
Thank God.
I miss my friends.
It’s a shame that its’ taken five long days for us to get here.
So had I, TXR!
Hope you enjoyed the movie last night.
I love good movies, the older ones like that are nice. You can go for 2 hours without people cussin’ up a storm every other sentence and without special FX blowing up everybody and everything.
Keeps ya busy, I can imagine! Ah well, no rest for the weary.
I know. I love the movie Laura for that very reason. Also Dragonwyck with
Vincent Price and Gene Tierney (one of my favorites). Lots of suspense with no
foul language, sex or gratuitous violence.
My papillon is a handful. I keep looking at her and wondering how she got into
my house. Smallest I have ever been owned by.
Yup, that’s some reasons why I enjoy the “Old Dark House” type of older mystery-suspense films. And the classics, of course, especially ones with Bogie.
Sounds like a real cutie. I’m a cat guy myself but don’t have one owning me at present.
Our kitty passed last year, just before her 24th birthday. Do miss her.
Heard the dimms are having troubles of their own. Seems some of them are
not happy about having superdelegates deciding their candidate and twice
the open left crashed foxfire (?) yesterday. I may have gotten the name wrong.
That’s not what I use on my mac.
Seems the big floor fight and all of the fireworks could be in Denver at the
dimms convention.
http://www.julescrittendon.com/2008/02/02/petard-hoistmanship/
I don’t know if this will work or you have to type it in.
That’s sad about your kitty, TXR,but she had a long life for a cat!
I had a Tabby Maine Coon who was with me for 16 years. She had came as an adult stray, so she was probably at least 19 years when she had to be put to sleep. It’s amazing that a pure bred like that would be a stray to begin with and she was the purr-fect cat. I still miss her too.
Yes, the Democrats are having their own woes. Republicans can hope they continue and worsen leaving the Dem party easier to beat.
I think you mean “Firefox”. I use all the major browsers, plus some others at one time or another. But thanks for the heads up, TXRose, I see Firefox (aka “Mozilla”) needs a security update!
I know about Mozilla. Thanks Peep. Having a butterfly dog is sort of like
having a dog and kitty in one pet. She bathes herself like a cat and has some
other cat traits along with dog ones.
Sounds like it won’t be over in a hurry for the dimms. Bet it turns out to be a
fight between HRC and Obama. HRC sickens me but Obama scares me with
the cult of personality thing that has sprung up and is growing. Someone said
today, in an article, that it’s almost as if some of his followers are attributing
superhuman “powers” to him. This we really don’t need.
I think once he has to start answering specific questions that “aura” won’t carry as far. He just can’t repeating “change” ad infinitum, it’s meaningless without the specifics.
Well, I think we took this comment thread to it’s max, Rose, we can carry on elsewhere, I suppose. See ya around then!
Irishrose,
You seem to be a voice of reason. You are welcome on my blog at any time.
I keep praying that people fall into line behind McCain.
They can work with him after the election, but if Hillary wins, there is no chance any conservative will get anything.
Some say conservatives can then come back in 4 years. What if Hillary lasts 8 years?
The Supreme Court could be out of reach for a generation, and corporate America would be reeling from taxes, and so would individuals.
McCain must win.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
Eric,,
The short response to your post is “Yes”. Please keep on saying it, again and again.