Thanks for sharing this

The British band played “The World Turned Upsidedown” when Cornwallis surrendered to Washington at the end of the Revolutionary War: kind of feels like that now, with these little radical pro-Islamist groups being able to get dhimmi-like reactions from people who should know better.

*Points stage left*

This is the Mark Steyn thread

that does NOT insulate him from criticism for actions as a Senator. We can seperate the two, it’s not our fault if you can’t.

+1

pclevenger said:

Whining about McCain does no good. Neither will voting for him. Vote for conservative Senators and Congressmen.

That’s pretty much all we got left at the moment. (Not much use in fighting for a conservative party platform plank if we all know too darn well McAmnesty will never honor it.)

There is a lot more that we have to consider and not the least of that is how he has conducted himself since getting elected to public office.

If you support John McCain, fine. Vote for him. At this juncture, I have no intention of checking his name in November nor do I intend to check the name of Clinton or Obama. I am leaning strongly toward leaving the box empty on the top slot of the ballot and focusing on other offices down the list.

The last thing I want to do is see our troops left hanging out to dry. But, I’m just not sure that I believe McCain on his advocacy of finishing the War on Terror. I get the uneasy feeling that he is using it as an issue that he thinks can set him apart from the other party.

Might I change my mind. We’ll see. But, McCain is going to have to show me a lot better than what I’ve seen from him over the years, including here lately.

He is just too disingenuous for me at this point. Things like brining Juan Hernandez onboard, when he is talking about securing our borders bothers me to no end. You can’t say one thing and do another, if you don’t want to be seen an untrustworthy.

That said, there are OTHER vets who were POWs in Vietnam who now hold elected federal office without the same view points as the man from Arizona. Why should THEIR point-of-view be summarily dismissed?

And as an aside, when will we let go of the Vietnam War from the political equation?? It is over, it has been over, and yet we continue to use it as a metaphorical bat in which to beat on the heads of those individuals who either didn’t serve, or whose sentiments don’t fit the template of the MSM.

As said by many all over the place, the ONLY reason to vote GOP in the fall election are the twin issues of National Security and SCOTUS nominations. To not do so will cost American lives and change the political / social landscape of our nation forever (and not in a good way).

Conservatives punished Republicans in 2006 — look at how that worked out for us. I mean, Trent Lott got his old job back for Pete’s sake. The current NRC leadership still doesn’t get it, IMHO.

The only recourse left to Conservatives is take matters into their own hands, starting with the election of their own at the local and grass root levels and building up, period. That means no sitting out of the elections in November.

Any questions?

But to call John McCain all of these vicious names and to hurl all these personal insults at him is a form of sickness. When I see some of the former POWs (which I do from time to time because I live near a big navy base in an area filled with retired navy guys), I always thank them for their service.

And if I ever met John McCain the first thing I would do is shake his hand and thank him for his service. The 2nd thing would be to ask him how in the hell anyone was supposed to take him seriously on immigration refore with Juan Lopez on his staff and Geraldo Rivera singing his praises.

I’ve yet to see anyone here denigrate John Mccain’s service or his time as a POW. However, that does NOT insulate him from criticism for actions as a Senator. We can seperate the two, it’s not our fault if you can’t.

Do you want to be seen as the same as DailyKos people?

Leave that crap for the Dems.

Remember Ronaldus Magnus’s 11th commandment.

And also remember the old adage if you cannot say somethgin good, then say nothing at all.

Silence is far more eloquent than the frenzied over-emotional spazzing that you and others are doing.

All that is is energy wasted. Energy that could be used to fight for CONSERVATIVE planks on the party platform regarding immigraion, the border, taxes, judges, global warming, amensty, etc. Energy that could be used to force a conservative for the VP slot, and look forward to 2012 with a deserving conservative already in place as a leader. Energy that coudl be used to elect CONSERVATIVE local, state and congressional representatives, who will be even more vital given the likelihood of a liberal president.

You and those like you are so angry and muddleheaded that you ARE quitting. You actions speak for you. You;d rather continue attackign McCain uselessly than doing somethign about things that you can change. You’d rather quit than fight the battles we have remaining.

As I said in another thread, there’s a word for folks that quit while important fights still loom:

COWARD

Stand and FIGHT for your values instead of uselessly whining on and on about McCain.