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Anyone want to join me on Saturday?…

A potential juror stated “I just don’t think I can serve on this jury. One look at that man tells me he’s guilty!”

“Shhhh,” someone said, “that’s the District Attorney….”

I appreciate your answer lgm, but I don’t really think you’ve addressed your original post and the rebuttal JRL provided. I understand your position on your feelings, but are you stating that persons opposed to the IRS or conscientious objectors are traitors?

And if mounting a national defense is necessary, how can acting to prevent such a defense not be the actions of a traitor?

Please feel free to critique the lawywer joke as well. I can’t recall any, so I looked at an old book called 10,000 Jokes, Toasts and Stories. It’s probably one of the better jokes.

SHoward (#49) asks:

Do you want an agency that can sieze property without due process in civil matters? The IRS has routinely done this.

No and no. I don’t want such an agency and it isn’t such an agency. Many of the IRS scare stories turn out to be bogus. (I’ve had my share of frustrating interactions with the IRS and got my share of threatening letters from them. It was their mistake & they never actually violated my rights.)

The don’t ask don’t tell policy is as bad as anything the IRS does.

do you get a warm fuzzy feeling when you stroke a check to the IRS?

No. And I don’t get warm and fuzzy about killing. It’s a necessary evil.

You think JohnHolliday went to far in his post. ok.

That still doesn’t address the substance of your posts, starting with #4. People that oppose the IRS are not the same as people that obstruct operations at a recruitment center.

It is clear that a government needs a source of income to function. Do you want an agency that can sieze property without due process in civil matters? The IRS has routinely done this.

Tell me: do you get a warm fuzzy feeling when you stroke a check to the IRS? It may be a necessary thing to do, but that doesn’t make most poeple feel better about it.

I’ll agree that a detained citizen should get a day in court, even a secret court. But I think you are stretching quite a bit in trying to equivocate as you did in post #4.

Some (liberal) scientists were deciding whether to use rats or lawyers in their next behavioral experiments. The eventually decided on lawyers.

1. People might have sympathy for the rats.

2. There are some things even rats won’t do.

Abusive tax laws were the reason this country was founded!

Are you saying we don’t need taxes? And by the way, abusive conscription also was an issue. This motivated one of rights in the bill of rights

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

As for the IRS, they have routinely violated constitutional rights. They kick down doors without warrants,

If that ever happened (supply a link), it was illegal.

The military does not kick down doors and drag U.S. citizens off to prison.

President Bush has done just this, had a US citizen arrested on US soil and “detained” as an enemy combatant without an arrest warrant and without filing charges. MM and her readers have defended his right to do this.

We’ve taken the worst of National Socialism and allowed the IRS to use those very tactics that this country fought against.

Now, Sir or Madam, you have gone too far. The worst NAZI tactics were mass murder of entire ethnic groups (Jews, Gypsies, ..).

As far as being an “idiological drone with authoritarian tendencies” goes, that is so far from the truth, it is rediculous. I believe in the power of right, and don’t need anyone to tell me how to think. And authoritarian? What have you ever read, that I penned, that would make you think that? Is it because I believe in the rule of law, and feel those who bend it for personal gain (some lawyers) are helping to destroy America? All I ask of anyone is to use reason and common sense when making an argument.

I hope, being a “traditional” conservative, your views would be more in tune with mine, since I am a Reagan-type conservative. Apparently, the interpretation of conservative, depends on what meaning you give it. We differ.

Jokes: What do you call 2000 lawyers floating face down in the ocean?
Answer: A good start.

How can you tell if it is a dead dog on the road, or an attorney?
Answer: There are skid marks leading up to the dog.

How’s that? Regards.

lgm said…

The country cannot survive without military. It also cannot survive without taxes. Are not people who trash the IRS also traitors? What about Quakers who refuse to serve in the military on religious grounds?

Bottom line: be careful when you call someone else a nut.

This stupid remark is a joke, right?

Abusive tax laws were the reason this country was founded! The current socialist income tax is another reason for the patriotic in this country to stand up and fight. We need to kill all socialism before it destroys us.

As for the IRS, they have routinely violated constitutional rights. They kick down doors without warrants, they steal property under the color of law, they use fear and intimidation to acheive compliance of voluntary tax laws, they are what is WRONG with this country.

The military does not kick down doors and drag U.S. citizens off to prison. It does not steal property or use fear and intimidation to force people to voluntarily pay taxes. This isn’t like North Korea, China, the (former) Soviet Union, where the military is conscripted and will do the government’s bidding. Our military is made up of citizen soldiers that understand that freedom is not free and must be paid in blood. The Supreme Soviet of Berkeley is a bunch of overage adolescents. Taking away any federal money would serve them right.

My father fought in WWII to stop the National Socialist scum, and what have we done? We’ve taken the worst of National Socialism and allowed the IRS to use those very tactics that this country fought against. Those same tactics are what liberals deem “necessary” for tax collecton.

I have no argument against taxes, per se. Yes, governments do need money. My argument is HOW they are collected and HOW MUCH the government really needs. The military is constitutionally mandated, though the funding must be voted on every two years. Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, etc. are all unconstitutional and should be stopped.

There are ways for the government to collect taxes without using Gestapo-esque tactics to enforce the tax laws. Go read the FairTax book and learn what freedom can be.

As for the Quakers, jrlingreenbay has it right and nothing more need be said about it.

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As to your posts above, I do have an observation.

If you actually looked at lgm’s comments, you’d see he doesn’t seem to have any interest in arguement. He popped in and dropped a statement, which was then rebutted by JRL. lgm’s substance was directly challenged with a good, reasoned argument.

Later, Blind_Mule kicked in a humorous cartoon. (Although it could have been better if it had a peace sign tattoo on it’s arm.)

lgm’s response to the two posts was to make a silly comment about the ‘don’t feed troll’ post, while ducking the substantive post by JRL.

Quite frankly, if that is the way a liberal is going to respond, perhaps they don’t deserve the respect of actual debate.

Just sayin…what say you?