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	<title>Comments on: Berkeley of the Midwest: Toledo mayor orders Marines to leave</title>
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		<title>By: Toledo, Who&#8217;s Gonna Fight For You? : The Conservative Reader</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/berkeley-of-the-midwest-toledo-mayor-orders-marines-to-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-576042</link>
		<dc:creator>Toledo, Who&#8217;s Gonna Fight For You? : The Conservative Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tip: Memeorandum. Content from the Toledo Blade web site. Also blogging: Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, and The Jawa Report. Berkeley content from Dread Pundit Bluto and Bitsblog.   Sphere: Related [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tip: Memeorandum. Content from the Toledo Blade web site. Also blogging: Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, and The Jawa Report. Berkeley content from Dread Pundit Bluto and Bitsblog.   Sphere: Related [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Disparity of Force &#171; The Daft Musings Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disparity of Force &#171; The Daft Musings Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of&#160;Force  Seems that the mayor of Toledo, Ohio has a problem with the Marine Corps doing drills in his city, and has ordered them to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of&nbsp;Force  Seems that the mayor of Toledo, Ohio has a problem with the Marine Corps doing drills in his city, and has ordered them to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Toledo city council humiliates mayor, votes unanimously to apologize to Marines; Update: Mayor comments</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/berkeley-of-the-midwest-toledo-mayor-orders-marines-to-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-244789</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Toledo city council humiliates mayor, votes unanimously to apologize to Marines; Update: Mayor comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weasel Zippers, they realized the only thing &#8220;scarier&#8221; than Marines is a media firestorm and potential economic boycott. Compare and contrast this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weasel Zippers, they realized the only thing &#8220;scarier&#8221; than Marines is a media firestorm and potential economic boycott. Compare and contrast this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: in_awe</title>
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		<dc:creator>in_awe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to my email to the Mayor of Toledo:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank you for your thoughts.  Your message will be conveyed to the Mayor.  Attached is the Mayor&#039;s Statement to the Media and a statement from Lt. Colonel Piccoli, U.S. Marine Corps on this issue.

Statement from Mayor Carty Finkbeiner -Regarding U.S. Marine Corps. 
February 10, 2008 

Frank Szollosi can play politics with anything.  It is what he does best. 

Today, I spoke with Major Jeff Brooks of the United States Marine Corps. I conveyed my sincere regret for the failure to communicate within the administration and any inconvenience that caused the U.S. Marine Corps.  

I also conveyed, as my staff did on Friday, that we would make available abandoned buildings for Marine training outside of the CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD).

I concluded by reviewing my belief that the CBD, particularly on a weekday afternoon, was not available for military staging operations.  10,000 - 14,000 men and women would have been departing their offices in downtown Toledo on Friday afternoon with a major military training action unfolding - including the use of weapons being discharged with blanks.

My interest is not only in supporting the U.S. military wherever and whenever such support is sought, but also protecting the health, peace, and tranquility of Toledoans in every way possible.

For those who disagree with my priorities in terms of safeguarding Toledoans, we may disagree, but you have my respect. 

Statement from Lt. Colonel Piccoli - U.S. Marine Corps 
February 11, 2008 

Although our planned training event for Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th 
Marine Regiment from Grand Rapids, Mich., did not occur over the weekend in the Central Business District of Toledo, Ohio, we greatly appreciate the commitment of the city leaders and the support of the citizens of Toledo to assist us with future training opportunities in the Toledo area. 

As the Marine Corps has done in myriad cities in the past, which includes Columbia, S.C. (2003), New Orleans (2004), Savannah, Ga. (2005), and Hampton Roads, Va. (2006), we&#039;ll continue to work very closely with community leaders, law enforcement personnel, members of the media and private citizens to ensure our training does not adversely impact them.  Such training, coupled with governmental and civic support, enables the U.S. Marine Corps to meet the country&#039;s expectations as the nation&#039;s premiere force in readiness.

The U.S. Marine Corps stands shoulder to shoulder with the people of Toledo as we move forward together well into the future.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like the Mayor is stretching the truth a bit in his rendition of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to my email to the Mayor of Toledo:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you for your thoughts.  Your message will be conveyed to the Mayor.  Attached is the Mayor&#8217;s Statement to the Media and a statement from Lt. Colonel Piccoli, U.S. Marine Corps on this issue.</p>
<p>Statement from Mayor Carty Finkbeiner -Regarding U.S. Marine Corps.<br />
February 10, 2008 </p>
<p>Frank Szollosi can play politics with anything.  It is what he does best. </p>
<p>Today, I spoke with Major Jeff Brooks of the United States Marine Corps. I conveyed my sincere regret for the failure to communicate within the administration and any inconvenience that caused the U.S. Marine Corps.  </p>
<p>I also conveyed, as my staff did on Friday, that we would make available abandoned buildings for Marine training outside of the CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD).</p>
<p>I concluded by reviewing my belief that the CBD, particularly on a weekday afternoon, was not available for military staging operations.  10,000 &#8211; 14,000 men and women would have been departing their offices in downtown Toledo on Friday afternoon with a major military training action unfolding &#8211; including the use of weapons being discharged with blanks.</p>
<p>My interest is not only in supporting the U.S. military wherever and whenever such support is sought, but also protecting the health, peace, and tranquility of Toledoans in every way possible.</p>
<p>For those who disagree with my priorities in terms of safeguarding Toledoans, we may disagree, but you have my respect. </p>
<p>Statement from Lt. Colonel Piccoli &#8211; U.S. Marine Corps<br />
February 11, 2008 </p>
<p>Although our planned training event for Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th<br />
Marine Regiment from Grand Rapids, Mich., did not occur over the weekend in the Central Business District of Toledo, Ohio, we greatly appreciate the commitment of the city leaders and the support of the citizens of Toledo to assist us with future training opportunities in the Toledo area. </p>
<p>As the Marine Corps has done in myriad cities in the past, which includes Columbia, S.C. (2003), New Orleans (2004), Savannah, Ga. (2005), and Hampton Roads, Va. (2006), we&#8217;ll continue to work very closely with community leaders, law enforcement personnel, members of the media and private citizens to ensure our training does not adversely impact them.  Such training, coupled with governmental and civic support, enables the U.S. Marine Corps to meet the country&#8217;s expectations as the nation&#8217;s premiere force in readiness.</p>
<p>The U.S. Marine Corps stands shoulder to shoulder with the people of Toledo as we move forward together well into the future.</p>
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<p>Sounds like the Mayor is stretching the truth a bit in his rendition of events.</p>
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		<title>By: OUTRAGE!!! Marine Reservists forced out of Toledo by Mayor Finkbeiner OUTRAGE!!!! : American Conservative Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>OUTRAGE!!! Marine Reservists forced out of Toledo by Mayor Finkbeiner OUTRAGE!!!! : American Conservative Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] adds: More at MichelleMalkin.com t00 - Berkeley of the Midwest: Toledo mayor orders Marines to leave Related PostsDifference Between Republicans And DemocratsGenerally speaking in the Republican Party [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Archon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Conference is on:

Didn’t know about the drills. Too late to warn citizens. Friday night is not the time.

He offered the troops another time and place. No to downtown toledo. Been here since 2004, and it’s never been a problem before.

City Council is amazed at all this. Once local bozo says its OK to kick Marines out, and he’s willing to give the mayor the benefit of the doubt.

Carty swears that he will find out when the unit notified the city, and will report it when he knows. Everybody hold your breath!

Conference over.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Man, what a crock of crap. Just got off the horn with a pal o&#039;mine who was with Alpha Company&#039;s advance party, who laid the details out for me.

This training rotation had been in the planning stages for something along the lines of 8 months. The Marine&#039;s CO had numerous meetings with both the mayor and the Cheif of Police, with the last one in January, about this training. The Marines had used the same building in the past. For the mayor to say he didn&#039;t know is an outright lie. The same goes for saying that there was no time to notify the local citizens, since last Tuesday the local PD put out an announcement to the public telling them not to be alarmed when they saw big men in green with guns shooting up around the building in question. There was plenty of advance notice, local PD was on board and even had the appropriate roads and buildings blocked off. The citizens of Toledo are behind the Marines on this one, as well. The only hiccup here is the mayor. A mayor who, apparently, lacks the stones it takes to tell the Marines himself about his decision, and instead sends one of his sycophants out to do the dirty work.

Semper Fi, Marines, from the other side of the Big Green Machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Conference is on:</p>
<p>Didn’t know about the drills. Too late to warn citizens. Friday night is not the time.</p>
<p>He offered the troops another time and place. No to downtown toledo. Been here since 2004, and it’s never been a problem before.</p>
<p>City Council is amazed at all this. Once local bozo says its OK to kick Marines out, and he’s willing to give the mayor the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>Carty swears that he will find out when the unit notified the city, and will report it when he knows. Everybody hold your breath!</p>
<p>Conference over.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Man, what a crock of crap. Just got off the horn with a pal o&#8217;mine who was with Alpha Company&#8217;s advance party, who laid the details out for me.</p>
<p>This training rotation had been in the planning stages for something along the lines of 8 months. The Marine&#8217;s CO had numerous meetings with both the mayor and the Cheif of Police, with the last one in January, about this training. The Marines had used the same building in the past. For the mayor to say he didn&#8217;t know is an outright lie. The same goes for saying that there was no time to notify the local citizens, since last Tuesday the local PD put out an announcement to the public telling them not to be alarmed when they saw big men in green with guns shooting up around the building in question. There was plenty of advance notice, local PD was on board and even had the appropriate roads and buildings blocked off. The citizens of Toledo are behind the Marines on this one, as well. The only hiccup here is the mayor. A mayor who, apparently, lacks the stones it takes to tell the Marines himself about his decision, and instead sends one of his sycophants out to do the dirty work.</p>
<p>Semper Fi, Marines, from the other side of the Big Green Machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Berkeley of the Midwest update: Toledo council members call on mayor to apologize</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/berkeley-of-the-midwest-toledo-mayor-orders-marines-to-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-241583</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Berkeley of the Midwest update: Toledo council members call on mayor to apologize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on the story of the jerk Toledo mayor who told Marines to leave his town because they would &#8220;frighten people,&#8221; there are now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up on the story of the jerk Toledo mayor who told Marines to leave his town because they would &#8220;frighten people,&#8221; there are now [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gunslingerpatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>gunslingerpatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was always ok to question their patriotism and finally people are starting to see what conservatives on the blogsphere has been saying all along.

GSP
To those that serve-Thank you and your family!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was always ok to question their patriotism and finally people are starting to see what conservatives on the blogsphere has been saying all along.</p>
<p>GSP<br />
To those that serve-Thank you and your family!  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Code Stink And The Berkeley City Council &#171; Nice Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Code Stink And The Berkeley City Council &#171; Nice Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin is covering the Berkeley of the Midwest -  Toledo, Ohio - where Mayor Carty Finkbeiner (guess which party) has ordered a company of Marine Corps Reservists, (there for some urban warfare training),  to vamoose! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michelle Malkin is covering the Berkeley of the Midwest &#8211;  Toledo, Ohio &#8211; where Mayor Carty Finkbeiner (guess which party) has ordered a company of Marine Corps Reservists, (there for some urban warfare training),  to vamoose! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fasternu 426</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fasternu 426</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it ok to question their patriotism now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it ok to question their patriotism now?</p>
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		<title>By: SwampBubbles - News, Politics, Reports</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwampBubbles - News, Politics, Reports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mayor Finkbeiner tells the Marines to leave Toledo - Does not want them to learn the skills to save their lives...&lt;/strong&gt;

Finkbeiner, apparently only speaking for himself, said that Marines are not welcome in Toledo. Well I welcome Marines in Toledo to train and learn skills that will save their lives. Apparently Carty does not think they should practice the skills they n...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mayor Finkbeiner tells the Marines to leave Toledo &#8211; Does not want them to learn the skills to save their lives&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Finkbeiner, apparently only speaking for himself, said that Marines are not welcome in Toledo. Well I welcome Marines in Toledo to train and learn skills that will save their lives. Apparently Carty does not think they should practice the skills they n&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyNJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gator70...I know you asked for no thanks but, Thank You! 

You are America, you are a Patriot, you are a hero, at least to me. Again, Semper Fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gator70&#8230;I know you asked for no thanks but, Thank You! </p>
<p>You are America, you are a Patriot, you are a hero, at least to me. Again, Semper Fi.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Marines should have just told him to piss up a rope.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it&#039;s better that the Marines used the &quot;moral high ground&quot; against the man.

And in all seriousness, telling the mayor such a thing and going on with the exercises would have been a &lt;em&gt;bad&lt;/em&gt; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Marines should have just told him to piss up a rope.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s better that the Marines used the &#8220;moral high ground&#8221; against the man.</p>
<p>And in all seriousness, telling the mayor such a thing and going on with the exercises would have been a <em>bad</em> thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cop The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cop The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, Adam Henry...&lt;/strong&gt;

It seems that some city governments aren&#039;t taking the hint from the pro-military backlash levied against the Liberal nuts in Berkeley and San Francisco. Behold Toldeo, Ohio, Mayor Carty Finkbeiner.The 200 members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Mari...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, Adam Henry&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It seems that some city governments aren&#8217;t taking the hint from the pro-military backlash levied against the Liberal nuts in Berkeley and San Francisco. Behold Toldeo, Ohio, Mayor Carty Finkbeiner.The 200 members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Mari&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Life in 3D &#187; The way to a liberal’s heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Life in 3D &#187; The way to a liberal’s heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has more information on this jerk in Toledo [...]</description>
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