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	<title>Comments on: Berkeley of the Midwest update: Toledo council members call on mayor to apologize</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; What&#8217;s the matter with Toledo and Berkeley?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; What&#8217;s the matter with Toledo and Berkeley?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Toledo gets some kudos for offering a straightforward apology to the Marines after the city&#8217;s jerk mayor ordered them to leave because they might &#8220;frighten [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck_g</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck_g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Toledo update:
If you want to hear what the public has to say about the &quot;Mayor&quot; and this whole snafu, go to wspd.com (local talk radio) and listen to the podcasts of the shows so far this week, or just look at pictures of a three hour protest that took place Monday afternoon. By my count there were about 70 folks at 5:30 (when I was able to get there), many with Corps gear on, and &lt;em&gt;lots&lt;/em&gt; of people riding by honking and waving in support. This was organized by Fred Lefevbre of WSPD&#039;s morning show, and was a last minute thing or I think more would have come out, plus it was bitter cold, in the single digits. I was only walking with them for about 30 minutes or so, but Fred and others, clearly some were veterans, were out there in the cold for the whole time. Not all Toledoans are jerks, in fact most are very pro military. There was a failed recall effort for Hizzoner last year; too bad it wasn&#039;t in progress now, I think just maybe the results would be the other way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Toledo update:<br />
If you want to hear what the public has to say about the &#8220;Mayor&#8221; and this whole snafu, go to wspd.com (local talk radio) and listen to the podcasts of the shows so far this week, or just look at pictures of a three hour protest that took place Monday afternoon. By my count there were about 70 folks at 5:30 (when I was able to get there), many with Corps gear on, and <em>lots</em> of people riding by honking and waving in support. This was organized by Fred Lefevbre of WSPD&#8217;s morning show, and was a last minute thing or I think more would have come out, plus it was bitter cold, in the single digits. I was only walking with them for about 30 minutes or so, but Fred and others, clearly some were veterans, were out there in the cold for the whole time. Not all Toledoans are jerks, in fact most are very pro military. There was a failed recall effort for Hizzoner last year; too bad it wasn&#8217;t in progress now, I think just maybe the results would be the other way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bigurn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigurn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toledo update:

Local Toledoans are asking for a formal apology from Mayor Finkbeiner.  He insists it was all a misunderstanding, and continues to assert his belief about a &quot;safety hazard&quot;.  BS detectors are beeping everywhere.

Like I said before, Ohioans are very pro-military.  I don&#039;t see any positive end for the Fink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toledo update:</p>
<p>Local Toledoans are asking for a formal apology from Mayor Finkbeiner.  He insists it was all a misunderstanding, and continues to assert his belief about a &#8220;safety hazard&#8221;.  BS detectors are beeping everywhere.</p>
<p>Like I said before, Ohioans are very pro-military.  I don&#8217;t see any positive end for the Fink.</p>
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		<title>By: Sierra Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sierra Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Berkeley Update: Still Hating The Marines...&lt;/strong&gt;

I’ve been listening to some of the action live on KSFO 560 AM here in San Francisco from Move America Forward chairman and KSFO host Melanie Morgan....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Berkeley Update: Still Hating The Marines&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I’ve been listening to some of the action live on KSFO 560 AM here in San Francisco from Move America Forward chairman and KSFO host Melanie Morgan&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DannoJyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannoJyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologize? Give be a freakin break already!

Time for that Mayor to &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Resign&lt;/strong&gt;!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologize? Give be a freakin break already!</p>
<p>Time for that Mayor to <em><strong>Resign</strong>!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Toledo native, I have to put my two cents in. (Yes, I&#039;ll claim being a Toledo native. Most of the people are great until they step into a voting booth.) I&#039;m not surprised Carty made news by doing something stupid like this, it&#039;s a regular occurrence for him. This one just went national. Don&#039;t forget he&#039;s also known as the &quot;moving deaf people out by the airport&quot; mayor.

But the sad part is that Toledo not only elected him twice the first time, they re-elected him after he was term-limited out for four years. Granted, the mayor in between was hapless, but that&#039;s no excuse when there were at least a couple other good candidates on the primary ballot.

As for this situation, knowing how downtown Toledo is in February it would have been a perfect scenario for the Marines. There&#039;s no one down there to scare, Carty!

Another black eye for the old hometown. *sigh*

Michael Swartz
www.monoblogue.us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Toledo native, I have to put my two cents in. (Yes, I&#8217;ll claim being a Toledo native. Most of the people are great until they step into a voting booth.) I&#8217;m not surprised Carty made news by doing something stupid like this, it&#8217;s a regular occurrence for him. This one just went national. Don&#8217;t forget he&#8217;s also known as the &#8220;moving deaf people out by the airport&#8221; mayor.</p>
<p>But the sad part is that Toledo not only elected him twice the first time, they re-elected him after he was term-limited out for four years. Granted, the mayor in between was hapless, but that&#8217;s no excuse when there were at least a couple other good candidates on the primary ballot.</p>
<p>As for this situation, knowing how downtown Toledo is in February it would have been a perfect scenario for the Marines. There&#8217;s no one down there to scare, Carty!</p>
<p>Another black eye for the old hometown. *sigh*</p>
<p>Michael Swartz<br />
<a href="http://www.monoblogue.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.monoblogue.us</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalincidentmap.com/map.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;libs just don&#039;t get it&lt;/a&gt; and we will pay a price for their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.globalincidentmap.com/map.php" rel="nofollow">libs just don&#8217;t get it</a> and we will pay a price for their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative &#187; Berkeley to Marines: &#8220;You&#8217;re Uninvited and Unwelcome Intruders.&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Conservative &#187; Berkeley to Marines: &#8220;You&#8217;re Uninvited and Unwelcome Intruders.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has more coverage. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Archon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Council President Mark Sobczak said the mayor had made arrangements for the Marines to come back to Toledo and use the vacant North Towne Square mall.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That doesn&#039;t solve the problem of time and money WASTED because of this dunderhead. 206 paychecks, hotel rooms, 5 bus rentals, chow....lost training time, lost time with family and friends, lost time for studies (a lot of those Marines are in school, and they lost time to study for tests because they had planned to be gone all weekend for GOOD training)....the new training opportunity doesn&#039;t give all that back. The mayor should have to reimburse the unit. Notice I said the mayor, not the city. Most residents of Toledo are with the Marines on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Council President Mark Sobczak said the mayor had made arrangements for the Marines to come back to Toledo and use the vacant North Towne Square mall.</p></blockquote>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t solve the problem of time and money WASTED because of this dunderhead. 206 paychecks, hotel rooms, 5 bus rentals, chow&#8230;.lost training time, lost time with family and friends, lost time for studies (a lot of those Marines are in school, and they lost time to study for tests because they had planned to be gone all weekend for GOOD training)&#8230;.the new training opportunity doesn&#8217;t give all that back. The mayor should have to reimburse the unit. Notice I said the mayor, not the city. Most residents of Toledo are with the Marines on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Romano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Romano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story makes me so mad -- these stupid code pink idiots and the useless politicians who aid them.  What a waste of tax dollars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story makes me so mad &#8212; these stupid code pink idiots and the useless politicians who aid them.  What a waste of tax dollars!</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take away Toledos federal monies and give it to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mca-marines.org/about.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marine Corps Association&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take away Toledos federal monies and give it to <a href="http://www.mca-marines.org/about.asp" rel="nofollow">Marine Corps Association</a></p>
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		<title>By: twoninerkilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>twoninerkilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nation has always had a problem with this ilk going back to the founding of the country; at that time we called them Tories, and ran most of them out of the country after we won, even managed to hang a few.During the Civil War they were called copperheads, Democrates every stinking on of them, I was around during Viet Nam, that was even uglier then now. They did&#039;nt even pretend to support the troops, They were the stinking hippies who dominate the Democrat party today. Their aversion to war comes from the fact that they are made up entirerly of spineless, craven cowards, who wouldn&#039;t even defend their own wives if they were being raped before their very eyes, instead they would contact the UN, and have a letter of comdenation sent to the rapest. Don&#039;t worry though there have always been real men, patriots, with enough courage to take a stand for what&#039;s right,about 30%of the country. There&#039;s about 30% who say they&#039;ll stand up,but get a little shaky when the lead actually starts fling, then the rest is made up of these cowards, and politicions. It&#039;s always been that way. God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nation has always had a problem with this ilk going back to the founding of the country; at that time we called them Tories, and ran most of them out of the country after we won, even managed to hang a few.During the Civil War they were called copperheads, Democrates every stinking on of them, I was around during Viet Nam, that was even uglier then now. They did&#8217;nt even pretend to support the troops, They were the stinking hippies who dominate the Democrat party today. Their aversion to war comes from the fact that they are made up entirerly of spineless, craven cowards, who wouldn&#8217;t even defend their own wives if they were being raped before their very eyes, instead they would contact the UN, and have a letter of comdenation sent to the rapest. Don&#8217;t worry though there have always been real men, patriots, with enough courage to take a stand for what&#8217;s right,about 30%of the country. There&#8217;s about 30% who say they&#8217;ll stand up,but get a little shaky when the lead actually starts fling, then the rest is made up of these cowards, and politicions. It&#8217;s always been that way. God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Laree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gov Gray Davis treatment, Toledo needs a recall on their present Mayor. Is there any movie action heros available? GRIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gov Gray Davis treatment, Toledo needs a recall on their present Mayor. Is there any movie action heros available? GRIN.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these socialist cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these socialist cities.</p>
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		<title>By: katieanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>katieanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, TXRose said: 
I still say you cannot support the troops without supporting the war! In order to support the troops you have to provide what is needed to support them while they fight the war. That means supporting the war. Duh.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly Rose.  Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, TXRose said:<br />
I still say you cannot support the troops without supporting the war! In order to support the troops you have to provide what is needed to support them while they fight the war. That means supporting the war. Duh.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly Rose.  Well said.</p>
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