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Let me make this so clear that even you can understand it, Rags: He is more likely to win if we vote for him.

Well, DUH!

Exactly why do you think that voting for him is NOT AN OPTION for so many MILLIONS of us.

If he is so electable, then let him depend on the DIMS who got him his CURRENT Senate seat.

When the Arizona GOP CAUCUS THEN UNANIMOUSLY CENSURED HIM???

He is VERY “ELECTABLE”, isn’t he?

Wasn’t he spitting on us when he got named “Mr. Electability”???

What is your problem, now!

Rags,

You have yet to explain why he can’t ein. You continue to “explain it reasonably”, but we have yet to hear an explaination.

If McCain is so “electable”, then why do folks like you keep on beating up on those who say we will not vote for him. We always said we would not vote for him. This is an old stand on him – nothing NEW HERE.

You knew how we felt before you said he was “electable” – but you act like WE MISLEAD YOU on the issue.

We didn’t.

If he is electable, then you certainly don’t need us any more NOW than when you made that assessment without taking us into consideration at that time.

You look like a Steak House beating up on pedestrians trying to forceably make them come in and sit down and eat your steaks and “You’ll like them OR ELSE!”

Makes them sound “real appetizing”, all right!

It’s now been a week since super Tuesday, but the anti-McCain crowd is still howling. They’re doing so because bloggers like Michelle don’t like it that they’ve been “marginalized” and continue to pound out stubborn discussion threads like this one.

Funny, I didn’t notice her blogging in ’96.

Or in ’76.

I’ve never seen any of those who voted against THOSE GOP candidates have any regrets, either. Since the pattern of those GOP Candidates was not BETTER than that of the Dims who beat them.

I have a clean conscience, and I intend to keep it that way.

Michelle has NOTHING to do with my decision at all. I never in his life considered ever voting for McCain.

I didn’t pass him up in 2000 just because Bush was from Texas.

This year, Rick Perry and Kay Bailey Hutchison side him ferociously, and John Cornyn, whom I used to admire, now endorses McCain as well – they don’t sway me to support McCain THIS year, and neither does the Bush endorsement.

You can quit blaming Michelle for the high traffic these threads continue to receive.

McCain did that all by himself a long time before Blogging came on the scene.

You have yet to explain why he can’t ein. You continue to “explain it reasonably”, but we have yet to hear an explaination.

And as I always tell you, Ragsy, if you’re so good at predicting who will win what areas of the country and how, as you appear to claim, then by all means quit your day job and start earning 7 figures as the world’s greatest political forecaster.

for anyone who’s not tone deaf.

McCain cannot win.

He is the most divisive man in the (sort of) GOP.

He cannot count on conservative support, because we have never been able to count on him.

Same back at ya.

You do realize though, that many here are purists and are not capable of understanding that their particular brand of right-leaning conservative values is NOT mainstream in the Republican party.

Well, not to alienate a new friend (;-)
but I’m not sure it matters whether we’re talking mainstream of not. The mainstream has been determined: 80% support McCain and 67% of those who consider themselves conservatives support him. I’m not sure what they mean by “support”. I can’t stand the guy but I don’t live in an angry fantasy world of hostile, inflexible idealism like some of our co-contributors. I’m voting for McCain in the general for the good of the country because that’s my real-life choice. I would never have voted for him in a primary, and while I’d love to see him overturned for Romney at the convention, on the assumption that such a dramatic turn of events does not take place, I’ll vote for him in the general. But you know all that.

In their minds they ARE the party, and the rest of us are not “true conservatives”…

That’s true and while it’s nutty and elitist, I could care less, quite frankly. if it makes them happy to be that way, I’m good. BUT….

and what can you do with that kind of stubborn, immature, egotistical rationale?

Depends on the consequences. If they just sit around in their own little world agreeing with each other and hating the world (not that there isn’t alot to dislike that I’d agree with, to be sure), but when they go off and start trying to influence fellow voters to sit out the election, to be unpatriotic, to attack, politically, their own country by allowing hard-core socialists to reshape this nation for generations to come, all for some nutty, bizarre idealistic standard to which even Reagan himself could never measure up, well, then the least we must do, as patriots, is to challenge them. We may change a few minds (a few people on this board have already posted publicly – and very nicely – that I did change their minds, and they will vote the republican ticket, so we already know it’s possible. And each one of them may change a few minds. ultimately, the numbers grow exponentially. That’s what the average citizen can do. I may have a very slight edge from 25 years of professional media experience, but really anyone can do it – and they should.

The extremists – I mean the nuts, the mind-readers, the fortune-telling know-it-alls, the so-angry-they-can’t-get-out-of-their-own-heads-to-do-the-right-thing-even-if-it-distresses-them nuts are unreachable. We know that. They spew bile and drip venom, so they’re easy to spot. But we don’t want spewing vile and dripping venom to become him, to become cool. We no longer want the ultra-extremists in our party to ruin the nation anymore than the socialist democrats.

But I suspect you already know that, Irish. Why? Because you’re here doing the same thing. At least I think so. Is that your motivation? It’s become mine – ever since some off-the-hook loonies started trying to convince others not to vote for McCain and let Hillary take over America (literally)

Of course, Rush and Ann Coulter aren’t helping. All this “Hillary being President will be good for Republicans will galvanize them” stuff knowing what kind of judicial appointments would be made is irresponsible beyond belief. However, if Hillary was President it would galvanize their audiences. Assuming they aren’t stupid or crazy, that seems to be the only conclusion, and it’s sad, but that’s that. We trudge on and find new heroes. Simple.

But sadly, leaders of the Christian right are now preaching political propaganda from their pulpits, instead of salvation in Christ. And they’re preaching it with the same fervency of radical Imams that preach the doctrine of jihad in mosques on Fridays. I say this because I’m a Christian, and I’ve seen it myself.

This is a great point. As a Christian myself it’s distressing. While I understand that, for example, saying abortion is wrong, it is more wrong to hurt the country in a larger sense. You can say, “don’t vote for Republican so and so because they support abortion” Then what happens? A democrat gets into office and you have abortion plus open boarders plus liberal judges plus high taxes ad infinitum. Shooting yourself in the foot. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Whatever you want to call it. Hurting people is hurting people, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

These folks have been taught to believe that they ARE the party, and nothing will dissuade them… even evidence to the contrary.

But the education is interesting. they teach that mostly to each other. That’s where you and I and like-minded people can help.

McCains’ Super Tuesday sweep and impending nomination, in my opinion, are an indication that Republicans are beginning to understand that we MUST have politicians who are capable of bipartisan communication and cooperation on these difficult issues if we are ever going to see political progress.

I’m only half with you on this. Reagan challenged the democrats continually. There is nothing wrong in my mind with partisanship. Indeed, it’s a necessity for a free county, because each party polices the other.(our problem of course is that the media only reports one side). of course Reagan was on good terms with Tip O’Neal, the democrat speaker. The difference is that theirs was a friendly confrontation.

Still, I know what you mean. Reid and pelosi are more in my mind what you’re describing: people who get paid $200,000 year to spend 24/7 trying to beat the opposition. That’s not what we’re electing these guys for.

It’s now been a week since super Tuesday, but the anti-McCain crowd is still howling. They’re doing so because bloggers like Michelle don’t like it that they’ve been “marginalized” and continue to pound out stubborn discussion threads like this one.

Well, I’d be polite to the host. People on the same general side can agree to disagree on the details. Compared to the Dems, you, Michelle and I are all on the same page. However, some of the more extreme whining does get tiresome. They attack McCain fairly but when someone attacks them back they cry foul. That’s just BS. Anyone should be able to take it as well as they dish it out. That’s not just politics, that’s the real world.

At some point, reason and rationality and a collective sense of priority will come back to the Republican table. Until that time comes, discussions like this one are only an exercise in futility.

Uh-uh. I disagree. see above.

You’ve clearly surmised that, which is why now you’re doing cut-and-paste I’d expect ;P.

Sorta. I’m just short on time.

Would you like one more try?

Or is that your last surrender on the field of rational discourse?

Oh, brother.

You’re wasting your breath, CC.
Ragspierre is not even capable of rational thought, much less rational discourse.

From where I sit, you’re right on the money.

Or is that your last surrender on the field of rational discourse?

On February 12th, 2008 at 7:14 am, Ragspierre said:
Cat…

Do you read what you write?

Always. Each person and circumstance is different. No one thing is true for everyone.

You are doing everything you have accused others of doing.

Nope. Sorry. read above.

You are personally attacking people here, not engaging in debate.

When the debate goes as far as implied proclamations of mind-reading abilities, the rational discourse just breaks down. Get with the real world, Rags. Oh and by the way, since in the past you have made predictions about who will win how and where, I really do hope you quit your day job and start making 7 figures as the world’s greatest political strategist.

People who have declared they will not vote McCain are “traitors”, even though you admit to having no idea if the man could win the general election.

Yep, and there is no contradiction between those concepts. You need to start thinking clearly. You scramble subjects and conclusions faster than a mix-master.

These are not the writings of a man of rational, well-considered convictions.

Thanks. When I need a diagnosis from an obnoxious, wannabie political election prognosticator in the making, I’ll be sure to ask for your phone number.

Now, I have stated carefully thought-out reasons I think McCain structurally cannot win a general election.

Yeah, I know. Go out there and start earning 7 figures for winning Romney’s campaign; he’s only put his on hold, know-it-all.

I have asked you to explain your thinking concerning how he can win. But you punted and went personal.

Let me make this so clear that even you can understand it, Rags: He is more likely to win if we vote for him. That’s something you can do to help determine the outcome of the election. You can support him. You can let everyone know he’s better than Hillary or Obama. For all the millions spent, ultimately that’s how all elections are won in the final analysis.
But again, if you have all the answers and can foretell so conclusively who will win each state though your “carefully thought-out reasons”, go make a million dollars and steer a deserving candidate to victory. In the meantime, don’t quit your day job.

My take is simple and it’s apparent that the problem isn’t that you can’t understand it, it’s that you don’t want to: Keep it simple, Mr I- know-who’s-going-to-win-each-state; We have in all probability two undesirable choices. You choose the better of the two. If you hate the thought, fine, go ahead and hate the thought but do your patriotic duty and vote the one who is better, anyway. If you refuse to do your patriotic duty, you’re no patriot. If you refuse to do it knowing that the consequences will damage the country more than might otherwise be the case, you’re a traitor. Hundreds of thousands of good men, most having barely started life, died to do their duty for the good of the country. They gave up everything. The least you can do is walk into a polling station for five minutes and pull a lever productively.

Get it?

“Shut Up, Learn Spanish…

and Vote McCain”.

or, in other words, trashed the U.S. for a European readership.

Yea. He’s the heir of Reagan’s conservative mantle alright…

He makes George Bush look like George Washington.