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1. #243643
   On February 13th, 2008 at 1:47 am, OldGuy53 said:

   Out of nowhere, I’m suddenly hearing this rationalization: “I won’t vote for McCain because he can’t win.” That’s fine in primaries. It’s nothing less than textbook self-defeatism in the general.

   You just make this crap up as you go along?
   You sound like a Ron Paul supporter, even now they’re running around the net creating all these fantasy scenarios on how Ron Paul will arise as the eventual nominee.
   McCain can’t win, if we had any other candidate I might disagree, hell even Huckabee would have a better shot, but McCain is the kiss of death for a Republican in the White House.
   Believe me or not but I’ve been alive since Eisenhower and have seen the writing on the wall.
   McCain is a throw away candidate, like Bob Dole was.

2. #243651
   On February 13th, 2008 at 2:13 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

   Old Guy,

   No, that was the third time in 24 hours I heard the “I’m not voting for him because he can’t win” routine.

   McCain can’t win, if we had any other candidate I might disagree, hell even Huckabee would have a better shot, but McCain is the kiss of death for a Republican in the White House.

   Tell me specifically why. And none of that “if you can’t see it right off i won’t explain it bul*sh*t”. You want to have a conversation? Okay, good. Tell me why he can’t win.

   Believe me or not but I’ve been alive since Eisenhower and have seen the writing on the wall.

   Okay, what’s the handwriting? No long twisted obfuscation, just in a nutshell. Why?

   McCain is a throw away candidate, like Bob Dole was.

   Dole was absolutely. McCain is quite a different player. I dislike McCain tremendously, but he and dole are not the same guy. When Dole had the chance right after the Lewinski story broke, Dole had a chance to flay Clinton alive on stage before the entire world and walk away with the Presidency. Instead he chose to be a “gentleman” (translation: weak-kneed sucker). McCain by contrast is an antsy, prickly, egotistical power-tripper. can you imagine McCain not taking advantage of a ripe opportunity like that? No, he’d play it up and down. It’s unfortunate, but for all your years you don;t seem to have learned that politics are dirty, and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

   I have huge problems with McCain, not the least of which is his zero lack of executive experience. But fighting hard and hitting below the belt, as is sometimes required, the lack of same was Dole’s biggest problem, I think McCain will not just do, but do with a determination which borders on zeal. Unlike Dole to some extent and Bush 1 to an even gretaer extent, McCain wants to win so bad he can’t stand it. And as much as we dislike the fact, the fact that the NY Times has endorsed McCain means he brings more independants and centerists to our side (I use “our side” loosely)

   Now tell me, how is it that you think McCain not being able to win is a good motivation for staying home and ensuring that Hillary Clinton or obama do win? This is really the critical question.

3. #244550
   On February 13th, 2008 at 11:21 pm, OldGuy53 said:

   Now tell me, how is it that you think McCain not being able to win is a good motivation for staying home and ensuring that Hillary Clinton or obama do win? This is really the critical question.

   First off not once have I stated that I’m staying home, I have no idea how you got that.
   Your question needs to be aimed at the huge numbers who are disgusted with his nomination that will stay home.

   But you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama’s supporters or Hillary’s are NOT going to stay home.
   You’ve got it in your mind that your going to beat up anyone who disagrees with your fanatical insistence that everyone has to agree with you, but you see in a free society we are allowed to disagree.
   I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.
   Truth is we don’t, and personally I couldn’t care if you accept it or not.
   The proof will be in November….so rant on.

4. #244598
   On February 14th, 2008 at 2:03 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

   Oldguy,

   Quickly as this is getting stale:

   First off not once have I stated that I’m staying home, I have no idea how you got that.

   Must have been in context, and I don;t want to take the time to find out how. if you’re not staying home, good for you and my apologies. If you’re not staying home and voting third party, in essence casting a de facto vote for Hillary and Obama, then that’s where my impression came from, no apologies and you should be ashamed of yourself.

   Your question needs to be aimed at the huge numbers who are disgusted with his nomination that will stay home.

   Or will vote third party, as that is the practically staying home for all the difference it will make.

   But you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama’s supporters or Hillary’s are NOT going to stay home.

   Right!

   You’ve got it in your mind that your going to beat up anyone who disagrees with your fanatical insistence that everyone has to agree with you,

   Oh please, you started to make sense for a minute there. Look, this stuff is important, Old Guy. If anyone feels like they’re being beaten up they should walk through 125th street in Harlem at 2 AM singing “Old man River” sometime. This shrinking violet stuff is tough to stomach. politics is a tough business. When someone comes off as a smartass I deal with a smartass, and to hell with netiquette. Deal with it.

   I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.

   Sigh. Here we go again. I’ll say it dlowly… this is what you do: You try to make him win. You see to it that he does win. It’d D-Day. You don’t pee ijn your bunker, you get out on the beach. And those guys died doing the right thing. All you have to do is pull a lever and try to talk others into doing the same. Why? because if eveyone does that, he wins.

   What, really, is there about self-defeatist attitude = certain loss that you just don’t quite get?

   Actively support McCain?! No one finds it less atrtractive than I do, trust me. At the beginning of the primary I was as vocal against him as they get. But this is now. It’s over, for all practical purposes. We’re stuck with what we have. It’s encumbant on every patriot then to make sure McCain wins. WHY? because the alternative is worse. We don;t even have to discuss how much. Worse is bad enough.

   Not stop whining about being “beat up” (!) for Ch*st sake. This country needs ballot-box soldiers, not shrinking violet sissies.

   I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.
   Truth is we don’t,

   That’s not a truth it’s an opinion, and as patriotic opinions go, it stinks.

   and personally I couldn’t care if you accept it or not.
   The proof will be in November….so rant on.

   And I personally don;t care if you care. You make a statement. That statement may influence people, in a way which is harmful to our country. I offer a balance. You don’t like the style. Too F’ing bad. Politics is tough. Get used to it.