Quickly as this is getting stale:

First off not once have I stated that I’m staying home, I have no idea how you got that.

Must have been in context, and I don;t want to take the time to find out how. if you’re not staying home, good for you and my apologies. If you’re not staying home and voting third party, in essence casting a de facto vote for Hillary and Obama, then that’s where my impression came from, no apologies and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Your question needs to be aimed at the huge numbers who are disgusted with his nomination that will stay home.

Or will vote third party, as that is the practically staying home for all the difference it will make.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama’s supporters or Hillary’s are NOT going to stay home.

Right!

You’ve got it in your mind that your going to beat up anyone who disagrees with your fanatical insistence that everyone has to agree with you,

Oh please, you started to make sense for a minute there. Look, this stuff is important, Old Guy. If anyone feels like they’re being beaten up they should walk through 125th street in Harlem at 2 AM singing “Old man River” sometime. This shrinking violet stuff is tough to stomach. politics is a tough business. When someone comes off as a smartass I deal with a smartass, and to hell with netiquette. Deal with it.

I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.

Sigh. Here we go again. I’ll say it dlowly… this is what you do: You try to make him win. You see to it that he does win. It’d D-Day. You don’t pee ijn your bunker, you get out on the beach. And those guys died doing the right thing. All you have to do is pull a lever and try to talk others into doing the same. Why? because if eveyone does that, he wins.

What, really, is there about self-defeatist attitude = certain loss that you just don’t quite get?

Actively support McCain?! No one finds it less atrtractive than I do, trust me. At the beginning of the primary I was as vocal against him as they get. But this is now. It’s over, for all practical purposes. We’re stuck with what we have. It’s encumbant on every patriot then to make sure McCain wins. WHY? because the alternative is worse. We don;t even have to discuss how much. Worse is bad enough.

Not stop whining about being “beat up” (!) for Ch*st sake. This country needs ballot-box soldiers, not shrinking violet sissies.

I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.
Truth is we don’t,

That’s not a truth it’s an opinion, and as patriotic opinions go, it stinks.

and personally I couldn’t care if you accept it or not.
The proof will be in November….so rant on.

And I personally don;t care if you care. You make a statement. That statement may influence people, in a way which is harmful to our country. I offer a balance. You don’t like the style. Too F’ing bad. Politics is tough. Get used to it.

Now tell me, how is it that you think McCain not being able to win is a good motivation for staying home and ensuring that Hillary Clinton or obama do win? This is really the critical question.

First off not once have I stated that I’m staying home, I have no idea how you got that.
Your question needs to be aimed at the huge numbers who are disgusted with his nomination that will stay home.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama’s supporters or Hillary’s are NOT going to stay home.
You’ve got it in your mind that your going to beat up anyone who disagrees with your fanatical insistence that everyone has to agree with you, but you see in a free society we are allowed to disagree.
I do wish we had a candidate that could win the election.
Truth is we don’t, and personally I couldn’t care if you accept it or not.
The proof will be in November….so rant on.

No, that was the third time in 24 hours I heard the “I’m not voting for him because he can’t win” routine.

McCain can’t win, if we had any other candidate I might disagree, hell even Huckabee would have a better shot, but McCain is the kiss of death for a Republican in the White House.

Tell me specifically why. And none of that “if you can’t see it right off i won’t explain it bul*sh*t”. You want to have a conversation? Okay, good. Tell me why he can’t win.

Believe me or not but I’ve been alive since Eisenhower and have seen the writing on the wall.

Okay, what’s the handwriting? No long twisted obfuscation, just in a nutshell. Why?

McCain is a throw away candidate, like Bob Dole was.

Dole was absolutely. McCain is quite a different player. I dislike McCain tremendously, but he and dole are not the same guy. When Dole had the chance right after the Lewinski story broke, Dole had a chance to flay Clinton alive on stage before the entire world and walk away with the Presidency. Instead he chose to be a “gentleman” (translation: weak-kneed sucker). McCain by contrast is an antsy, prickly, egotistical power-tripper. can you imagine McCain not taking advantage of a ripe opportunity like that? No, he’d play it up and down. It’s unfortunate, but for all your years you don;t seem to have learned that politics are dirty, and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

I have huge problems with McCain, not the least of which is his zero lack of executive experience. But fighting hard and hitting below the belt, as is sometimes required, the lack of same was Dole’s biggest problem, I think McCain will not just do, but do with a determination which borders on zeal. Unlike Dole to some extent and Bush 1 to an even gretaer extent, McCain wants to win so bad he can’t stand it. And as much as we dislike the fact, the fact that the NY Times has endorsed McCain means he brings more independants and centerists to our side (I use “our side” loosely)

Now tell me, how is it that you think McCain not being able to win is a good motivation for staying home and ensuring that Hillary Clinton or obama do win? This is really the critical question.

Out of nowhere, I’m suddenly hearing this rationalization: “I won’t vote for McCain because he can’t win.” That’s fine in primaries. It’s nothing less than textbook self-defeatism in the general.

You just make this crap up as you go along?
You sound like a Ron Paul supporter, even now they’re running around the net creating all these fantasy scenarios on how Ron Paul will arise as the eventual nominee.
McCain can’t win, if we had any other candidate I might disagree, hell even Huckabee would have a better shot, but McCain is the kiss of death for a Republican in the White House.
Believe me or not but I’ve been alive since Eisenhower and have seen the writing on the wall.
McCain is a throw away candidate, like Bob Dole was.

As a suggestion, try this exercise: force youself to answer the question. Seriously, it may help you to make up your mind.

Out of nowhere, I’m suddenly hearing this rationalization: “I won’t vote for McCain because he can’t win.” That’s fine in primaries. It’s nothing less than textbook self-defeatism in the general.

He’s a poor choice and I have no confidence he can win.

On February 12th, 2008 at 8:40 am, MrVIBEMAN said:

It’s refreshing after a complex day to sit down, log on and read several posts with plenty of common sense attached to them about why we need to suck it in and get on with the job. Thanks. I needed that.

When in gods green earth is the LAST TIME a canidate has been for everything you want? So far the only thing most of you have versus MacCain is OMG THE MEXCANS!

What about prolife, finishing the war, our military domincance? Will a hate for mexicans make you turn on all of that? For once THINK the other two are the reverse of you on ALL Issues. Gun control is a must for Obama and hillary, As is letting the illegals stay in one form or another. Pro Choice, anti military, anti finishing the war, even Obama wants to get rid of our stratigic edge.

NO canidate thats been in politics will give up power and then you all think by electing the little man in state you can change stuff. How did that work out of Segregation and anti civil rights? Row Versus Wade. WHen is the last damn time state has won out on Federal? And how will your votes matter when the mainly liberal states amount to more power than most conservitive states combined?

A canidtate that wants the good in this nation is no longer possable as Money runs things. And yet its like your all on an island thats sinking just staring off for a ship that may never come. I Just do not understand this. ITs as bad as the Liberals.

On February 12th, 2008 at 8:40 am, MrVIBEMAN said:

This Thread should be re-labeled as

“Mr._Conservative_Cat blogs on!
or
10 reasons to vote for that two-faced McCain”

Yes. This thread got seriously off topic last night from the Democrats trying to reintroduce shamnesty to debates/conversations that would be better off in another thread.

“Mr._Conservative_Cat blogs on!
or
10 reasons to vote for that two-faced McCain”