Potomac primary watch: Results time; 8:33pm: Eastern Fox, CNN call Va. for McCain; Update: Know-it-all Hillary bashes mortgage companies, oil companies; Update: Obama, McCain take Maryland; Obama takes shots at McCain, Bush, Cheney, and Obama’s hope rhetoric as a “platitude;” Huck vows to “play until the last second has sounded”
Scroll down for updates…Md. gets 90 extra minutes to vote due to weather/traffic…closure time at 9:30pm…8:33pm: Eastern Fox, CNN call Va. for McCain…9:32pm Obama, McCain take Maryland…Huckabee will “play until the last second has sounded”…Obama wallops Clinton among women, Hispanics (52-47), all age groups…
The polls have just closed in Va. It’s “too close to call” in the GOP race in Va. Here’s the official Va.results page.
Black turnout in Md. may be at a record high today despite bad weather. Early exit poll data here. Take it with a sizable grain of salt, of course.
FYI, Fox just called Va. for Obama.
In D.C., Mayor Adrian Fenty–an overly fervent Obama supporter, flirts with electioneering violations.
Maybe someone should tell him to, you know, “calm down.”
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Fox is touting early exit polls results showing conservatives–particularly talk radio listeners–rejecting McCain.
If that holds, how will all the talk radio-bashers explain it away? Talk radio is supposed to be dead and talk hosts are supposed to be powerless. Right?
Update 7:32pm Eastern. CNN says it’s currently 49-44 Huckabee over McCain in Va.
AP’s prelim exit poll data:
Nearly seven in 10 voters in Virginia’s Republican primary called themselves conservatives. Mike Huckabee won half of their votes, including two-thirds of those who called themselves “very conservative.” Four in 10 Virginia Republican voters were born-again evangelical Christians, and they strongly supported Huckabee over John McCain. Huckabee won the votes of two-thirds of those who said they were looking for a candidate who shared their values. McCain won the votes of two-thirds of moderates and almost half of those who called themselves “somewhat conservative.”
Voters who said they listened to conservative talk radio were more likely to vote for Huckabee, while non-listeners tended to support McCain. The more often people listened to conservative talk radio, the less likely they were to vote for McCain.
Update 8:21pm Eastern.
Update 8:33pm Eastern. Fox and then CNN both call the Va. race for McCain.
Love the subliminal message here from this Reuters photo…
Update 9:15pm Eastern. Hillary’s speaking in El Paso, lambasting greedy mortgage companies, as usual.
Not that the, uh, GOP nominee would be saying anything different about the subprime debacle…now bashing oil companies…”Let’s create our own energy! We have the sun! We have the wind!”
Jeff Quinton continues to blog the Md. primary.
Update 9:44pm Eastern. Obama exults in his Potomac primary. It’s all about, yep, CHANGE.
“Tonight, we’re on our way…It takes more than one night, or even one election, to overcome money and the influence, bitter partisanship, petty bickering, that shut you out…the cynics can no longer say that are hope is false…we’ve won north and south, east and west, across the country…we have given young people a reason to believe and we have brought the young at heart back to the polls who wanna believe again…”
Obama thanks Republicans who support him and says thank you.
Obama honors McCain’s service, but not his agenda. Says Bush won’t be the ballot (loudest applause). Says “his cousin Dick Cheney” won’t be on the ballot (laughter). “I opposed this war from the start.” (Huge applause.) Mentions McCain’s comment that we might be in Iraq for 100 years (boos).
Some people will say I have my head in the clouds…that I have false hope…that I’m a ‘hope-monger’…I should not be here today. I was not born into money or status. I was born to a teenage mom in Hawaii. My father left us when I was 2. But my family gave me love, education, and most of all, hope…Hope is not blind optimism. Hope is not ignorance of the barriers and challenges that stand between you and your dreams. I know how hard it will be to change America…if it was easy, it would have already been done…Obama bashes Exxon Mobil…
Update 10:07pm Eastern. McCain’s reading from the teleprompter. It’s a new speech and he is not very comfortable reading it. He’s got this weird, sing-song-y delivery that doesn’t match the seriousness of his scripted message.
“The American people don’t send us to Washington to serve our self-interest, but to serve theirs.”
It’s a variation on the “patriotism not profit” theme.
“We’re the makers of history, not its victims.” (Loud applause and chants.)
Stealing Obama’s thunder: “Hope is a powerful thing.” References his days in captivity. “My hope for my country resides in my faith in America’s character.” Assails empty rhetoric of hope as a “platitude.”
He’s right, of course.
But if he plans on beating Obama in the general election, he better work on his delivery.
Sidenote: Fla. Gov. Charlie Crist is up on stage with the other McCainiacs. He is still very, very orange. Oompa-loompa orange.
Update 10:24pm Eastern. Huck refuses to go.
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Hillary is in El Paso, Texas while she gets her ass kicked in Virginia, Maryland and DC tonight. She also was a no show at the FISA votes today in the Senate which has the liberals on many blogs very very angry.
The schadenfreude is almost too much to bear . . . almost.
Thomspon/DeMint 08
SO——This election I ALL ABOUT RACE and/or gender.
I thought we were beyond that or is it just my side that has never considered either as important – that character was foremost is considering a leader?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
I probably should have posted #3 in the section describing our Pres. welcoming race-hustler Al.
Sorry.
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Not that I’m really pulling for Huckabee but he is ahead of McCain, at the moment (51% to 43%). Fox News didn’t waste time calling races for McCain with a lot closer counts than that in earlier primaries. Hmmmm?
Obama is smokin’ HRC (62% to 37%). You know sHillary’s head has got to be spinning in a state where the Clinton’s just had to believe they had it locked in. Ouch!
Talk radio reflects conservative thought, not leads it. That explains its popularity.
McCain only was successful because most of the early primaries were open. He is a fatally flawed candidate with no chance of winning anything but the rigged Republican nomination.
If the GOP wants moderate nominees (and it probably does), they had better fix the process with a national primary day or significant curtailing of delegates from open primary states.
Well, Fox News is saying that the “social conservatives” are coming out in droves to vote against McCain. Some of their pundits are shifting it to independents/moderates that are going to Obama instead. I may be too skeptical but I suspect it may be the prior, IMHO.
The Barack Obama victory speech will be LIVE on all three cable networks from the baskeball arena on the University of Wisconsin at Madison… with over 17,000+ screaming supporters in attendance. I think that will be a better visual to all Americans watching, vs. the Hillary “rally” in El Paso tonight. A brilliant move by the Obama campaign.
pray for a brokered convention. that is our only hope. as it looks now, new poll at real clear politics shows that McCan’t marginally could beat Hitlery (it’s a statistical tie) but it is shut out for Obambi if McCan’t is republican nominee. What happened to the he is so feared and so electable? reality, those polls were from months ago and were only to sucker those stupid enough to beleive polls.
if the republican party does not wake up and stop having the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire this sorry state of affairs will continue. Primary should begin in a caucus state like Nevada or a more conservative state. First, primary should be in a truly conservative state as well.
Then move to the open primaries states towards the end of the primary season. Oh well, gearing up for at least four years of Obama. No way in hell either McCan’t can beat him. More than likely Hitlery will be able to beat McCan’t, too.
hoping Obambi beats the pants off of her and the cries of racisim cause the superdelegates to do the right thing. of course, the opposite could cause the black base to flee the ‘racist’ democrats. catch 22 damned if you do and damned if you don’t…
Oh yeah, sure, in their dreams… did everyone notice the huge spike in visits to this site between the hours of noon and three??? Rush mentioned Michelle’s excellent post on the Mexican “Stimulus Package”. From the magnitude of the hourly spikes, I’d say talk radio is alive and well.
I voted in Virginia. I don’t quite understand why a conservative would vote for Huckabee over McCain, since Huckabee is even more liberal than McCain is.
I voted for McCain over Huckabee. McCain is solid on the War on Terror, is pro-life, and has promised to appoint Supreme Court justices like Roberts and Alito.
Huckabee poses as a conservative but actually placed a Mexican consulate in Little Rock. He was endorsed by the NEA. He destroyed Republicans in Arkansas, according to Phyllis Schafly.
McCain can win the election against Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama. Huckabee won’t.
Obama will wipe out McCain in a historic landslide victory. Just look at any of the Presidential preference polls at sites like Free Republic. Many REAL conservatives will not be voting for McCain no matter what. A third party like the ‘American Constitution Party’ is going to see a significant spike in their vote percentage this November.
Another thing: The weather was horrendous in Northern Virginia. I voted on my way home from work, and it was freezing rain. By the time I got home, my driveway was coated with ice and I could hardly get up it.
I bet a lot of people just decided not to vote in Northern Virginia, which is not Huckabee ground.
I really don’t think so. This is 1972 all over again. Sooner or later, Obama is going to have to state some positions on issues and debate. You will have negative ads against him.
The latest poll, wasn’t it McCain ahead by 6 points of Obama? Has a Republican ever been ahead of a Democrat this early on in an election?
A lot of young people are enthusiastic about Obama, but I cannot picture the majority of Americans voting for him.
To me it looks like a landslide for McCain this November.
Now there is a surprise.
Ding, dong the witch is dea, errr never mind…
McCain or ObamaSoros is in the White House.I wonder how many of this ‘group’ of people were in the Democrat side. What? That data wasn’t taken? You mean there are NO ‘evangelical’ Democratic voters? So according to them ZERO Democrats ’self identify’ as ‘evangelical’. Why poll for ‘evangelical Republicans’ and not ‘evangelical Democrats’?
The media is a caricature of itself trying to manufacture news. It’ll make the news it wants to fit it’s narrative. . . and there’s nothing that anyone can do about it but listen and agree with their absolutely definitive information.
Gabe, wrong those polls were from over 6 months ago. Now the new polls show Obama winning and winning big over McCain. Hillery is gaining on McCan’t, too. They are now at a statistical tie…
check out real clear politics read it and weep. Your McCain mccan’t beat anybody. You have been suckered by the MSM in believing 6 month old polls.
It was also interesting to watch MSNBC tiptoeing through the statistics about the “white vote”. It was like they were almost scared to say “white vote”.
I live in Va Bch. My family and I voted for Huckabee. Not because I support him. But because I want McCain and his NY Times republicans to have egg on their faces tomorrow.
I hear you. McCain will pull 2/3 of the geezer vote–and if there’s one group that turns out on Election Day, it’s the geezers.
Here is the latest poll I found on Yahoo from a story on their headlines:
“An Associated Press-Ipsos poll found Obama with a narrow lead over the Arizona senator in a potential match-up, and Clinton running about even.”
I assume a narrow lead = 1%, judging from liberal AP spin. Does anyone have any historical polling data from 1980, 1984 or 1988?
I’ll bet at this time during the election cycle the Democrats were far ahead of the Republican. They usually are because of all the gushing praise of the MSM before the actual conventions or debates. Democrats sooner or later actually have to state positions.
To be even at this time and not 20 points behind still is a good sign for the upcoming election.
I didn’t think Northern Virginia voters would go for Huckabee. There are a lot of military, retired military, government workers, and retired government workers. It doesn’t seem like Huckabee territory.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in any polls this far out, Gabe. But for what it’s worth:
Polling Report – general election
Against Obama, McCain’s numbers are trending the wrong way.
narrow lead is 5 points and hillary is one point behind mcpain. that makes it a statistical tie for hillary versus mccain. but obama wins. hands down. don’t care how the many old geezers come out. he looses period. so say hello to a dem in the white house. like i said, pray for a brokered convention and that someone either than mccain or huckleberry get the nomination.
On February 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm, olympian2008 said:
How do you define “REAL conservative”, olympian? Just curious.
Anyone else notice the HUGE difference in the number of actual votes in the Democratic primary in VA vs. the number of actual votes in the Republican primary?
Polls may show McCain winning or being close to winning in a general election, but that will only work if Republicans actually go out and vote.
Geez! I would love to be a fly on the wall in HRC’s presence right now. I can just imagine the expletives flying from her lips.
McCain may squeeze out a victory in VA. But, I would love to see it go the other way, just to be a good slap in the face for Fox and CNN and their race to out do the other on calling races, before all the results are in. Not that I really care for Huckabee but I would like the media to have some egg on their face for trying to call these races, like they did CA’s, before the polls even closed.
Voted for Huckabee today in Va Beach and both my parents chose McCain. I mainly did it just to send a message to McCain to “toe the line.” I’ll vote for him or any Republican nominee come November. There’s no way I’d cast a vote for Clinton or Obama. Ew!
The people who are talking about who can beat Obama or Hillary better look at the results for these primaries. Hillery is getting about 36% of the democratic vote, and she is beating the vote total of Mccain by about 60,000 and Obama beats the entire republican total by more than double.
Republicans just don’t have anyone to be fired up about. I suggest that most don’t WANT to vote for either one, but hold their nose because it’s their duty.
Man, they’re dropping like flies at Camp Hillary. Her deputy campaign manager, Mike Henry, quit.
rats deserting a sinking ship!
Gabe, my better half is still stuck on the roads on the way home here to PWC. Bad stuff tonight.
Not surprisingly, our jurisdiction went for McCain on the Repub side, Obama on the Dem. Hilariously, there were two votes cast for Giuliani, and less than a dozen for Teh Fred. I truly wish Thompson had run a better campaign.
I’ve heard this on more than one talk radio program in recent days about Obama’s ability to “inspire” people and “move” them, whereas the GOP doesn’t.
And, at least for me, I tend to agree that neither McCain nor Huckabee “inspire” or “move” me. But, then again, none of the other candidates did either.
And, the only movement HRC or Obama would inspire from me is some excretory movement.
That’s a great photo of Danger McCain
So, how long do we have to suffer through a Huckabee presence until he tops Romney in the delegate count and become the presumptive 2012 nominee?
Knowing the “move” HRC or Obama will make on what remains of my paycheck is sufficient motivation for me to do anything I can to stop them.
Mookie, what is your take on why campaign staff are rolling out so quickly with HRC?
I’m not trying to take any jabs. It is an honest, serious question.
I speculate that the Clintons believe it has to be staffs’ fault that votes are going to Obama versus HRC, instead of accepting any responsibility that the Democrats in the country don’t like them as much as they think they did or should.
Would I be off-base in that observation?
Obama inspires people like Hitler inspired Germans. When people are inspired by someone, with no care about the positions or tenets he holds, it is not a good sign. Some people love Obama but they can’t explain why or even what he stands for on issues. . .and they don’t even care. That is when democracy begins to fail a nation.
Newt Gingrich at CPAC was trying to scare the audience with how many Democrats have voted in the primary versus Republicans, saying it is not a good sign for the general election.
I don’t buy it. Democrats have had 8 years of BDS and are crazed lunatics right now, plus they have a dead heat between two Dems. I don’t think Dems will do well in a general election. Who would trust Barack Hussein Obama as commander in chief? People will come to their senses.
I agree, Gabe.
I haven’t heard a single Obama supporter that can articulate substantive issues about Obama that is moving them. All I hear is that he inspires them with his charisma.
MDH3, it is funny how the “inside the beltway” vote is so overwhelmingly for Obama. . .when he claims he is the Washington outsider. I was pretty sure that the military and government workers in NOVA would go for McCain.
The weather was awful this evening. I’m sure it affected the Republican turnout to a certain degree, since McCain is already considered the nominee.
I want to preface this by saying that I’m not an HRC supporter. Never have been. Just want to get that on the record.
I think what you said is part of the reason. I also think that the staff is getting the blame for the tone of the campaign, which obviously isn’t working like they thought it would. She thought that running on “experience” would be the way to go and it’s backfired for a couple of reasons. That “35 years of experience” has an awful lot of filler in it. And being first lady for eight years shouldn’t count in that total. The accomplishments of the Clinton administration are not hers.
When you listen to HRC’s speeches, it’s “I, I, I”. When you listen to Obama’s speeches, it’s “we, we, we”. The difference is huge. And if you listen to Hillary’s most recent speeches, they’re taking on a bit of the “we” tone.
I also think it never even occurred to her that she could lose. I don’t think the thought ever entered her mind and now that’s it’s becoming a likelihood, all hell is breaking loose.
Mookie, re: “I also think it never even occurred to her that she could lose”…
You sure got that right, I just wish there was someone worthy she could lose to.
Keeping it real, it’s both. Talk radio offers a format which attracts an audience, the pundits listen and they play – partially – to that audience. if they’re slick it doesn’t show. That’s not to say it’s all show… no, the pundts absolutely speak their minds, but it gets framed for an audience. It’s really symbiotic – they play off each other. Assuming what rush says is’the mindset” of the conservative movement is inaccurate, because that’s too big for one person and no one thing is true for everyone.
On February 12th, 2008 at 8:42 pm,
Many REAL conservatives will not be voting for McCain no matter what.
Great, necessary question. Irish. I hope Olympian gives you an answer, because I’d like to hear that, too (betting odds that the ‘real conservative” is the one who will vote Hillary into office to ruin the country beause they can’t vote “in good conscience” for McCain?)
That’s a pretty good line from McCain. “We are the makers of history, not its victims.”
Good article over at Weekly Standard about BHO not being very “inspirational” with 3×5 cards.
Obama Unplugged
Lost without a Teleprompter.
by Dean Barnett
02/12/2008
Now that Hillary is facing the prospect that she will never be POTUS what could be going through her mind in regard to the unconditional support she provided to Bill Clinton in exchange for his supporting her bid for the Senate and the presidency. She allowed herself to be repeatedly humiliated by this lying philanderer and now won’t even get the payoff. Worse, if she left him now it would be even more obvious that there was some type of agreement. She made a deal with the devil and will suffer the consquences. Do you suppose she has learned anything or is this all the fault of the VRWC?
Comparing Obama to Hitler? How ludicrous.
Hitler called for the destruction of people. Obama is calling for Unity and the coming together of Americans.
Barry F., what would you like to know?
Barack Obama is supported because he promises a $4000 tax break to college students in exchange for a year (or two) of national service including nursing homes, hunger shelters or Peace Corps.
He is supported because he recognizes the high drop out rates of those who are not adequately prepared to enter high school and college. I do not see any higher education plans on McCain’s website (yet?).
He is supported because he is proposing real-life solutions for those who are disabled. He has proposed detailed plans for how to help those who are disabled. No specific category on the McCain website.
He is supported by his plans for rural economic development and protection for farmers and their property rights.
I’m trying to look at both websites and the candidates and compare and contrast them. Barry, have you seen the two specific plans and quotes on the issues? What are your reactions? I’m genuinely interested in what you have to say.
Gabe, for making that comment comparing Barack Obama to Hitler you aren’t even an American. You are a lowest form of low life dirt bag trash scum of the earth traitor.
I don’t think there was a direct comparison of the two. My read was that it was presented to show what rhetorical power can do.
And a little history lesson – Hitler did not get into office by calling for the destruction of people. Not at all. His message was one of unification of the German people at a time when Germany was still reeling from their defeat in WWI at a time when the Mark was essentially worthless on the global market. Hitler preached unity and hope for Germany. And as an extension of unity, he began consolidating terrorities lost in the First World War.
I have yet to hear of ONE substantive accomplishment of Obama. Not one. He talks of great plans, but has yet to tell anyone how he intends to carry them out. He talks the talk, but there is zero evidence that he can walk the walk.
His handlers have very astutely kept him away from any forum where he would be forced to answer any substantive questions. He dismisses a lack of foreign policy experience by glibly saying that it is not that difficult to pick up, since it is only “judgment”.
He is going to pull out of Iraq, but has not commented on the consequences of such an action. Withdraw from Iraq, and you create a vacuum that will be filled by Iran, Al Queda or both. Iraq
falls and a victory over the US is declared, emboldening our enemies and growing their ranks. The fall of Iraq will be followed by the fall of Pakistan into enemy hands, including over 60 nuclear weapons. Pakistan falls and the world’s oil supply will be held hostage by terror groups. With Pakistan’s nukes, countries that are now our allies will submit to the control of terrorists. And the few allies that we do have will look at our action in Iraq and take little comfort in the resolve of the US to stand by its allies. The US will become even more isolated, and the lack of oil will strangle our economy.
People may take exception with the fact that we went into Iraq in the first place, but the fact is we are there now. We cannot go back in time to undo our presence there. We must deal with the facts and the situation that now exists. And looking at the potential consequences, withdrawal would appear to be the worst possible solution.
Obama is not a leader. He is a panderer. There is a big difference.
Jim, my point is that comparison between a ruthless dictator and a presidential candidate is uncalled for. Just as I believe that many would find Bush vs. Hitler quotes offensive (no matter what political affiliation), I think people would agree that Hitler comparisons are not needed in our current political discussion.
yeah, I think if the point of comparison is motivational, inspiring speakers there’s a long list to draw from that don’t carry ol’ Adolf’s baggage. e.g. Billy Graham, Reagan, JFK.
Okay, so I go into the polling station in Chesapeake, Virginia and ask if Romney is still on the ballot. The four officials at the desk tell me he is not on the ballot. After a lot of thought I ask for the Democrat ballot so that I can vote for Obama to keep the Clinton’s out of the White House. I slide the card in and there are all the Democrat candidates including those who have withdrawn. I yell across the room, “Why are these Democrats still on the ballot?” I am then told that they made a mistake and that Romney is still on the Republican ballot. I demand the Republican ballot and vote for Romney. I asked, “How many others have you misled?”
You are right, they are both Liberal as the Dickens – and the only reason to vote for one of them over the other is to harrass the other.
At one point, it sounded like the UNTOLD STORY tonight is the STRENGTH of the voting for non-campaigning ROMNEY which went UNREPORTED and UN-NOTED – the ELEPHANT inthe middle of the room they all want DESPERATELY to ignore.
People can do as they will during hte PRIMARIES – but I am not going to vote for someone in which my vote is a legal BACKING for the AUTHORIZATION of a person whose actions I cannot approve of. Yet I put my SIGNATURE to it like a signatory of a mortgage loan – giving AUTHORITY to that to which I heartily disapprove.
Some of you must learn the Power of the TONGUE, and the power to hang yourself by your own tongue.
Learn to NOT AUTHORIZE DESTRUCTION against yourself by giving power to things that could not find ANY power against you UNLESS YOU YOURSELF GIVE IT TO THEM.
You all know someone, and pretend you never do it yourself, who says, “Oh, I would j ust HATE it if THAT happened to ME~~~~!” and you watch them go out and MAKE IT HAPPEN!”
WEll. Get hold of your own tongue AND YOUR OWN VOTE.
Obey the same rules you made for yourself regarding that knot in your gut when a STRANGER makes you nervous. THE GUT doesn’t lie to you.
AND NOTHING can make you “HAVE” to vote for someone who makes you feel the same way a sleazy stranger does.
WAKE UP!
Oh, McCain is BETTER????? Good on the War on Terror????
HAW HAW HAW!!!!
THANK YOU!
I’ll be doing the same in Texas on March 4th. hehehehe
I have to ask.
OmbreRose, what’s the the damn CAPS??
Fine! I’ll TRY TO BOTHER to stick to comparisons between McCain Feingold and The Stamp Act, and how our Founding Fathers felt about THAT — or between Santa Anna and McCain Kennedy Shamnesty – and the experience of Stephen F. Austin on the occassion in which he LEARNED the STUPIDITY of PACIFISM.
Will THAT make you feel better?
I hope so, since I’ve lived my entire life in the shadow of the path of Santa Anna to the Alamo, and I grew up play ing on a statue of Davy Crockett.
And there is shooting daily on the American border side of the Mexico/United States of America – which facts are well-known by McCain’s staff, Juan Hernandez, and Jerry Perenchio!
Because if you don’t like it, you best be prepared to explain the exact principles of WHY NOT, otherwise, having buried some of my own neighbors who were mutilated by illegal aliens having some jollies, I’m not prepared to care a great deal about your sensibilities on the matter, I’m afraid.
Fine, I’ll go talk to Jesus and repent – but I don’t think it will change much. Every time I do, I keep remembering the darndest Biblcal passages. And you wouldn’t like them very much at all.
Then I remember McCain’s ideas about WATERBOARDING, from my perspective of taking years of Red Cross swimming lessons in a Navy base Olympic-specifications-met pool —- juxtaposed to “Achmed the Dead Terrorist” saying, “SILENCE! I KEEEL YOU!” with McCain’s obvious blessings!
[Achmed and his material is copyrighted by Jeffrey Dunham]
Laura Ingraham has been talking about the story that Obama volunteers are being trained to steer away from discussion of issues and to concentrate on their personal conversion stories and how they found Messiah Obama.
People are flocking to his empty message of “hope” and “change” and if you dare challenge them to explain a single policy Obama has pitched, they look at you as if you’re a Klansman and retort, “He can’t be any worse,” and after eight years of the tragic tag-team failures of Dubya and the Stupid Party, it’s hard to argue the inconvenient truths of the naive radical Obama.
Better get used to saying the words “President Barack Hussein Obama” because McCain is going to make Bob Dole’s drubbing look like Reagan’s 1984 landslide in comparison. In a dangerous world, the American public is in a frightened and unserious mood because of Dubya’s utter inability to articulate the stakes. I didn’t vote for him in ‘04 precisely because he had proven to be a failure as a communicator and a conservative. Too bad McCain is such an egomaniac that he can’t see how his run has assured his defeat and the loss of the War Against Islamofascism.
Sorry, I keep trying to quit that.
Decades of typing on old fashioned typewriters before desktop computers came out – fastest way to stress and emphasis “highpoints” in extremely long passages. Learned long before different fonts and sizes, etc were available – bad habit, harder to break than smoking was.
So easy to just hit that “shift” key with little fingers and keep on pounding.
I am really very sorry and apologize.
I just get a little wound up, sometimes.
No worries. My curiosity was just getting the best of me.
Having myself witnessed and participated in the voting process during the Gerald Ford fiasco, the Reagan landslide, the Robert Dole fiasco, I agree with your assessment totally – the nomination of either McCain or Huckabee looks guaranteed to show the GOP the total farce of repeating past idiocy and expecting results they like better, this time.
And here they are, so obviously more proud of themselves than ever before.
It’s like, oh, you loved Jean Harlow and Clark Gable, they tell you WE KNOW you will LOVE Sandra Bernhardt http://imdb.com/name/nm0000928/
and Rosie O’Donnell.
No, olympian – for refusing to learn from history about mass manipulation/hysteria/etc, and looking beyond the names involved to observe the lessons in human behavior – that would be YOU!
We are not talking about skirt length or seasonal colors, or shoe types, here – we are talking about political power to move nations in opposing directions.
There isn’t anything innocent or harmless or meaningless about it.
And when it is making a massive impact, based on nothing more than personality, it deserves and warrants very close scrutiny, same as the warning signs that are often ignored leading to a tsunami – when you see dozens of folks run out on a suddenly dry beach to gather beached fish, and never even see the giant wave bearing down on themselves.
That is why recent generations have tried the hardest to move towards political power being bounded on all sides by Rule of LAW and NOT on strength of PERSONALITY. And NOT letting Rule of Law where it already exists be destroyed by strength of personality and whims of the day.
By the time the “naive” find out what they have done, they cannot repair the damage.
No one should handle things lightly which they cannot repair.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
– George Washington
John Adams – Because power corrupts, society’s demands for moral authority and character increase as the importance of the position increases.
Samuel Adams:
If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.
Samuel Adams – The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
Samuel Adams – He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man…The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people.
Samuel Butler – Authority intoxicates, And makes mere sots of magistrates; The fumes of it invade the brain, And make men giddy, proud and vain.
Patrick Henry – Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!
These are some of the reasons why, when good men see the masses attracted by something they do not bother to inspect or define, the good men are alarmed by whatever is so “attractive” – since the followers have no care as to the merit of that which attracts them. They become a blind mob of malleable force that is quite without conscience, and quite without powers of observation – they do not even consider the matters in their own wake.
Ombre Rose,
Well, well, if it isn’t Ombre Rose, the woman who can supposedly read minds. Just last night she offered an amazing bit of paranoid ESP power by explaining to me what I was thinking and what I was planning!(!!!) She knows what the candidates think. She knows what all those oppose her will think and what they will do. All those who oppose her divinity are on the wrong side of Holy Scripture.
And here we have another night, another round of hysterical call-to-arms in the usual CAPS, bludgeoning people with generalities and twisted Biblical interpretations but not an ounce of real-world acumen. Let’s talk about your rant tonight, Ombre, lest first-time visitors think you’re a representative sample of the saner minds around here.
Despite the pretzel-like sentence structure, you are saying that you are actively voting for electing Hillary or Obama in the general election. That’s what not voting the Republican ticket will accomplish. Oh yes, and by your calls for others to “wake up” and do the same, you are actively campaigning for the democratic ticket.
Or perhaps that little detail doesn’t come up when you shake your Magic 8-ball for advice.
Now this is something I think you can talk about from personal experience. If you were just talking about what it feels like to hang yourself by your own tongue, I’d listen just for the ambulance-chasing fun of it.
You sound like a rural preacher on LSD exorcising himself against the voices in his head. Reading between the lines, I guess that means we should vote for Hillary or Obama by not voting the Republican ticket in the primary.
Hey, Ombre, this is an amazingly accurate example of total projection. You say to people not to let evil win out, then you call for others to sit out the election of vote third party so the democrats take total and complete control of the legislative and executive branches of the united states. But I guess that’s what you want to happen.
Good advice. You should take it sometime.
Nothing, of course, except common sense if the alternative is a candidate who is even sleazier. Your projection of moral purity is getting a bit nutty, Ombre. You’re starting to remind me of the Mother in the movie “Carrie”.
And here we have the usual, predictable call-to-arms,as Ombre Rose tells us to embrace our spiritual salvation by ensuring that Hillary and Obama win the election and with a complicit congress, appoint liberal judges who will ruin our country for decades to come. Smart move. You didn’t happen to be Custer’s military strategist, did you?
I suppose that’s a rhetorical question because for all his undeniable faults, the obvious real-world answer is “yes”. Yes, he would be stronger on the war on terrorism than Hillary or Obama. Only someone ignorant or off the hook would think otherwise.He’s right, after all, about supporting the surge when alot of others initially didn’t. There is much to dislike about McCain, and his opinion of Gitmo is nothing to write home about. But is he better than Hillary or Obama, yes he is. Without question. Not better on the war on terror? Okay. And while you’re at it, say hello to the Ghost of Elvis for me, would you? I’m pretty sure you can find him right inside the left frontal lobe of your alien implant.
The image that conjures up. Real class, Ombre, real class.
Oh and when it comes your recent pile of responses when I respond to your posts, I’ve seen you get plenty tough on others, so I have news for you: striking first and then crying foul when someone else strikes at you is almost as nauseating as your bizarre proclivity for superior Biblical posturing.
Thanks MCC for saying what needed to be said on the subject of one OmbreRose…concise, to the point, eloquent and amusing. Well done.
I see that Hillary is resistant to the release of her income tax return. Well, personally, I can’t blame her. If I was as corrupt as she is, I’d resist exposure of my return too. She always seems resistant to the release of any document of hers in public life.
What I heard was that she said she’ll release her records if she wins the nomination. No reason that I heard was given to “why”. Essentially, she’s treating her tax records the way Nixon did his secret plan on winning the war in Vietnam – like a tease.
Past patterns suggest that this is the classic Clinton shell game: wiggle something out to the side loudly so people chase after that in hopes that no one will be noticing something far more damning.
And if past behavior, again, is any indication, this is the kind of scenario we can expect: if she wins the nomination she’ll turn over her tax records – but not all of them. Three years, for example, will be missing. More chasing, more loud noise. “what’s in those records?” “What can it be?!” Then out of nowhere part of one of the records will show up mysteriously. “Where did it come from?”
Then it may turn out that Hillary turned them over to her lawyer and her lawyer starts citing attorney-client privilege. “No, you may not have them. That would be unethical.” When Hillary is questioned about it she will claim that this is just all a bunch of nonsense cooked up by republicans because they are in disarray and can’t get over the fact that the Clintons had such a great record in the White House and want to try to paper over their own failed conservative policies.” Pressed, she will order – eventually – the lawyer to turn the files over. After a subpoena is eventually gotten, the lawyer will turn over the records, but a year is missing along with a couple of records. What is contained in those few records? No one can remember. Hillary thinks it might have something to do with a college fund she and Bill set up for Chelsea and what’s all the fuss about, anyway? Upon closer inspection, several pages have been redacted. The lawyer doesn’t know why. Bill and Hillary cannot imagine why anyone would do such a thing. It turns out that the agency used to courier the files from lawyer to whomever has some orbital connection to another company in which a prominent Republican leader is a consultant. Obviously the files were tampered with! The press will begin investigating the company and courier agency. This all takes a year. Another year goes by. Whatever happened to the records? Suddenly the missing ones appear in a neighbor’s mail box. No one knows how they got there. But the files look photocopied and some of the handwriting doesn’t match. Who cares? Story goes away.
How can we have any suspicion whatsoever that such an endless hypothetical scenario could play out? Because we’ve seen it all before.
It’s an old act. The Bill and Hillary show needs to get a new one.
I think yesterday’s primary results provide a very nice little demonstration of why McCain cannot win a general election.
He cannot command people to vote for him. Not him, or an entire party apparatus behind him.
Most of us will not be bullied, hectored, or guilted into voting for a person without character.
We pointed out to others for years how morally bankrupt that was…
but they voted for Clinton anyhow, on the theory that he was “our guy”, he could win, and he was “the lesser”.
Now, I’m getting the same argument from people who supposedly think as I do.
McCain’s character doesn’t count; only x or y or z counts.
McCain can’t count on conservative support because we have never been able to count on McCain’s support.
Simple. That is the beginning and the end of the demonstration.
Exactly, Jim. Everyone wants to take a statement so literally, when it is against their candidate. Their can be a figurative comparison, which is how I construed Gabe’s to be.
And, Dark Knight, substance in a campaign is not just a litany of issues one wants to see changed.
I could say that I will end world hunger and institute global peace. But, if I cannot articulate a clear, detailed and logical plan of just how I will go about accomplishing those things, it does not rise to substance, just dreams. The same holds true for healthcare, education, etc.
Mr.CC – LOL. This whole scenario is deja vu all over again. You could be a Clinton advisor! Hopefully she will be leaving us soon and this script of yours will never become reality.
Ladies and gentlemen…
I’ve been reading this and other recent threads, and I have to offer the observation that many of the posts here are far too personal.
I think any of us with a valid point to make can manage to make it without a personal attack on anyone here.
If you find that is especially hard, that might signal that a re-evaluation of your point is in order.
Just saying…
if 7 out of 10 voters were actually conservative, than McCain would have lost the vote by about a 70% to 25% margin.
Just as the Republican identity has morphed into a pseudo-Democrat identity, the Conservative identity has morphed into a spineless, action-less, cacophony of meaningless words which fail to inspire the speakers (and listeners) to any type of action.
Think again. Do you realize the contrast? Here is the stodgy old white man standing with a bunch of stodgy old white men. He represents all the problems of the past. He represents Bush’s 35 percent ratings and the 20 percent rating of congress. He represents the past. Then you have Obama. He is where America is heading. Biracial, fresh, the new everyman sort of speak.
McCain has lost his conservative base. He has lost the moderate independants (who will flock to Obama). He will have his clocked cleaned on Iraq (65 percent of the people do want to get out). He just has too much baggage.
Sorry but the Democrats have outflanked the Republicans and it will take a long time to clean out the party elite who have created this mess. And with the influx of new “immigrants” who will suddenly be legal, the Democrat base will just continue to grow. That will be the McCain legacy.
The democrats have learned their lesson and we no longer see a Gore or Kerry running for President.
Don’t blame her for that. Blame the Republicans for abdicating its role as the conservative balance of power and putting McCain in the driver’s seat. Your own bullying tactics here seem right in line with our own perception of McCain. “Don’t agree and I will tell you to shut up.”
Or, much worse, “I will pass a law the outlaws your opposition, in the interests of securing my place in the halls of power. I will muzzle you, and damn the Constitution.”
Great piece by Michelle on TownHall this morning.
Laura Ingrahm asks this morning if the RNC really thinks talk radio is just its PR wing.
RNC radio “repeaters” they are not…thank God!
Before all of you “true” conservatives start preparing to attend Obama inauguration, a little history lesson may be in order. In a poll taken almost exactly 4 years ago, dems had Theresa Heinz Kerry already measuring the drapes in the oval office. See headline, below:
Kerry, Edwards Both Lead Bush by Double-Digits in New Poll
18-Feb-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
“John Kerry holds his largest lead yet over Bush in a head-to-head match-up among likely voters, a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll concludes, and rival John Edwards also holds a double-digit lead over the president. The poll, taken Feb. 16-17, indicates that if the election were held today, Kerry would be chosen by 55% of likely voters, compared to 43% for Bush.”
Some of my other favorites were:
SMS Poll Shows Kerry Leading 55%-40% among Young Voters
01-Nov-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
New Voters Favor Kerry 60%-35%
25-Oct-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Zogby Gives Kerry 297-241 Lead in Electoral College
21-Sep-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Kerry Holds Lead in Battleground States
07-Sep-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Kerry Has 6% Lead in Florida
12-Aug-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Kerry Leads 2:1 Among Hispanic Voters
22-Jul-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
ABC/Post Poll: Kerry Jumps to 8% Lead (53%-45%) thanks to Women and Independents
21-Jun-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Kerry Has a ‘Whopping’ 337-201 Lead in Election Projection
27-May-04
Campaign 2004 Polls
Whether it’s Billary or Obambi, McCain will prevail.
Yet we still lose
…but before they can be retrieved, Sandy Burglar snatches them from the mailbox and stuffs them in his pants, and leaves Sox the cat in the mailbox as a warning.
I find it pathetic and even more so, tragic, the Obama defenders on here. Dark Knight, Obama’s “hope” and “unity” parade is just so much empty rhetoric. How is such a man to lead people like my husband who serve in the military? Like Clinton? Clinton was all folksy and cared about the folks too, don’t ya know.
I think the 2008 election should be a matter of who you fear more: more taxes, nanny welfare government, weakened military brought to you by Obama or McCain (who might not give a damn what conservatives think) but has been in the military and does command respect because of that. What the hell does Obama command? A bunch or naive, snotty-nosed, nitwits who are voting in their first election and have been sheltered by Mommy and Daddy their entire lives (oh, I mean the college kids)?
Yes, I agree that the GOP needs some serious fixin’ but I also agree with others who bemoan the state of the country in this current climate. We’re in a WAR and people would rather live beyond their means, whine about their health insurace/healthcare, and get handouts from the government. Let’s not pretend here.
Have any of you (and this is addressed for you all) been just genuinely SCARED of the alternative if you don’t vote? Many on here complain about McCain (and I feel equally disheartened with some of his choices) but I feel like the country will be in even worse shape if Obama gets his hands on the country. I have this deep pool of dread collecting in my belly about Obama… and my husband also sees him for the empty suit he really is.
I don’t want a preacher man-in-chief, I want an actual LEADER. Obama is a self-righteous, disingenous, lying, manipulative prick… he’s said absolutely nothing about immigration, the war (except that he wants out… Iraqis must be so thrilled by that news), the military, the economy, trade… nothing. All I hear is how he wants to penalize success (whether that be military or entrepreneaurial). The winds are shifting and the direction they’re headed is not good, not good at all.
em, just thinking out loud here, but sounds like you’re not much of an Obama fan.
OK…I’ll bite.
Show us how that works.
Obama can be defeated if the voters know about his strong opposition to the death penalty, his support for drivers licenses for ilegal aliens, his support for superhigh taxes, his opposition to even a border fence, his support for making “political asylum” even easier to get and a host of other ultraliberal ideas. McCain has to keep hammering away that Obama has no ability to lead a country through war time. don’t interest him. But when MccCain-Obama debate the only issues will be about how much more to increase liberal government program spending. Thanks to Republican establishment figure and gambling lobbyist Frank Farenkoph, only MSM journalists and anchormen get to ask questions and thanks to Farenkoph’s surrender on every debate topic, either Hillary or Obama will clean up on McCain.
Dakine,
How could you tell? Was my sound wave too big? LOL
It’s called independents, moderate Republicans, Reagan democrats. Last time I checked, there are a heck of lot more of them than right wing Republicans who will take a hissy fit and stay home.
I’m still waiting for a good statement from her on “cattle futures” and Travelgate. If she was conservative, the MSM would be all over her about it.
Rags, Rags….Rags,
That’s true. But you have made no case as to why people shouldn’t vote for McCain because he’s better than Hillary.
Really? No sh*t. I didn’t know that. Is that how you saw him? Because let me tell you something, he wasn’t my guy. I don’t know a single Republican who voted for him. I do, know, however, some conservatives voted for him by staying home because they were disnchanted with Dole. And look what happened. You’re confused on this issue, Rags, that’s clear.
Sure it does. But so does Hillary and Obama’s characters. They’re worse. What is it about, for example, the simple concept of 10 versus 1000 pounds that you can’t understand somehow?
Ahhhhh… now this is the hissyfit that everyone, including myself, have been talking about. He didn’t listen top me so I won’t vote for him. ” Boohoohoo. I’m taking my toys and going home even if it does mean the ruination of all we hold dear in the United States – that’ll show you!”
The lack of clear thinking is pathetic here, Rags. Truly. Sometimes I wonder how disconnected some people are from reality.
What demonstration, Professor? The demonstration of how some fellow conservatives can be so esconced in their own angry dream world that they refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of their highly irresponsible actions? If that’s the lesson, your doing a great job of proving it.
And on the issue of McCain “not being able to win”, as you have endlessly forecasted – again, quit your day job and make a fortune as the world’s highest paid political consultant – McCain can certainly win. However, professor, in case you missed the lesson, he can only lose if everyone follows your advice – which is to stay home. Some people would rightfully follow that sentence with “Duhhhhh”, but I’ll be nicer than that and say, “Get it, Professor?”