On February 13th, 2008 at 11:40 pm, DarkKnight said:

My apologies. I misunderstood your post entirely. In context, it just seemed to mean something else.

I was referring to emjem’s comment that “Obama is a self-righteous, disingenous, lying, manipulative prick…”

I find that totally uncalled for and that made me upset and disappointed.

You’re right. I’m disappointed, too. He should have saved that for Hillary.

To be honest, I didn’t read entirely the spat between you and some of the other posters on this thread. I was referring to emjem’s comment that “Obama is a self-righteous, disingenous, lying, manipulative prick…”

I find that totally uncalled for and that made me upset and disappointed.

I wasn’t calling you out. I was asking emjem for a decent, civilized discussion.

On February 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm, DarkKnight said:

I hear ya, but this discussion about sitting out an election or otherwise getting Hillary or Obama in is a serious one, and momentum builds support. Being called a “Bully” is name calling, too, and ridiculous one it is, too. Especially from Ragsy and a few others who come om strong as hell and then cry foul when they get it handed back to them. Boo hoo hoo. I’ve never been an advocate of sitting back and letting guys like ragsy have their way, because before you know it, the world is ruled by (fill in the blank)

That’s just how it is, DarkKnight. It’s the real world we live in. What can I say?

On February 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, Ragspierre said:
Cat,

you’ve totally earned the label of troll.

I have, huh? After the smart-assed way you’ve come on to people, your opinion of who is what doesn’t matter much to me, thanks, but keep trying to posture your way out of the debate. Trust me, it’s fun to watch, professor.

You just don’t get that forensic argument is not the same as name-calling and nastiness.

Sure I do. This is a great example, Rags. You volunteer a remark. I counter it. You counter back in a smart-assed way with a superior tone. I beat your arguement – proved by the fact that you haven’t answered my questions, as anyone here can read by just scrolling through the thread – no mystery there – and do so in a way appropriate to your condescending attitude, and then you call me a troll. I understand that perfectly. Boo hoo hoo. Politics is a tough business, Professor. Get used to it.

Let’s try this one last time just for sh*ts and giggles, Ragsy: How is it you can predict that Mccain will not win, and even if that were to be true, how is not voting for him and therefore ensuring that Hillary or Obama get to be President better than at least trying to get him elected?

On February 13th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, emjem24 said:
I find it pathetic and even more so, tragic, the Obama defenders on here. Dark Knight, Obama’s “hope” and “unity” parade is just so much empty rhetoric. How is such a man to lead people like my husband who serve in the military? Like Clinton? Clinton was all folksy and cared about the folks too, don’t ya know.

EmJem, I find it tragic that people are willing to criticize a lack of details, when some of them are laid out in plain sight but refuse to be acknowledged that they exist.

EmJem, have you even BEEN to the websites of Obama and McCain? I noticed that you convienently left out the specifics about Education, Dropouts and Disabled Plans Sen. Obama has laid out on his website.

Is that a coincidence that you chose not to address my specific references found in my post (#50 if you would like to look)?

All I am saying is that while Sen. Obama has laid out details of his plans in certain catagories, Sen. McCain (as of yet) has not done so.

Obama is a self-righteous, disingenous, lying, manipulative prick…

And shame on you for choosing to not even examine the specific details about Sen. Obama’s plans that he has laid out and discuss them in an honest debate, and instead resort to name calling.

And then you have the audacity to poke fun of college students who are excited about voting??? My goodness! Give them credit for voting AT ALL! The U.S. needs as many people as possible to get educated about the issues and registered to vote!

Young people included!

Is that NOT what you want????

Emjem, frankly, I don’t think that you will even come back to this thread or issue a reply. But if you do, (and I hope that you do) I would hope that you are able to discuss with me the specific details about Sen. McCain’s plans and Sen. Obama’s plans.

Hopefully, it will not resort to name-calling as your last post ended up.

I look forward to hearing from you.

you’ve totally earned the label of troll.

You just don’t get that forensic argument is not the same as name-calling and nastiness.

TWOT (total waste of time)

Now this is a sensible post!

On February 13th, 2008 at 7:41 am, Ragspierre said:
I think yesterday’s primary results provide a very nice little demonstration of why McCain cannot win a general election.

He cannot command people to vote for him. Not him, or an entire party apparatus behind him.

That’s true. But you have made no case as to why people shouldn’t vote for McCain because he’s better than Hillary.

but they voted for Clinton anyhow, on the theory that he was “our guy”, he could win, and he was “the lesser”.

Really? No sh*t. I didn’t know that. Is that how you saw him? Because let me tell you something, he wasn’t my guy. I don’t know a single Republican who voted for him. I do, know, however, some conservatives voted for him by staying home because they were disnchanted with Dole. And look what happened. You’re confused on this issue, Rags, that’s clear.

McCain’s character doesn’t count; only x or y or z counts.

Sure it does. But so does Hillary and Obama’s characters. They’re worse. What is it about, for example, the simple concept of 10 versus 1000 pounds that you can’t understand somehow?

McCain can’t count on conservative support because we have never been able to count on McCain’s support.

Ahhhhh… now this is the hissyfit that everyone, including myself, have been talking about. He didn’t listen top me so I won’t vote for him. ” Boohoohoo. I’m taking my toys and going home even if it does mean the ruination of all we hold dear in the United States – that’ll show you!”

The lack of clear thinking is pathetic here, Rags. Truly. Sometimes I wonder how disconnected some people are from reality.

Simple. That is the beginning and the end of the demonstration

What demonstration, Professor? The demonstration of how some fellow conservatives can be so esconced in their own angry dream world that they refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of their highly irresponsible actions? If that’s the lesson, your doing a great job of proving it.

And on the issue of McCain “not being able to win”, as you have endlessly forecasted – again, quit your day job and make a fortune as the world’s highest paid political consultant – McCain can certainly win. However, professor, in case you missed the lesson, he can only lose if everyone follows your advice – which is to stay home. Some people would rightfully follow that sentence with “Duhhhhh”, but I’ll be nicer than that and say, “Get it, Professor?”

Ragspierre said: OK…I’ll bite.

Show us how that works.

It’s called independents, moderate Republicans, Reagan democrats. Last time I checked, there are a heck of lot more of them than right wing Republicans who will take a hissy fit and stay home.

How could you tell? Was my sound wave too big? LOL

Whether it’s Billary or Obambi, McCain will prevail.

OK…I’ll bite.

Show us how that works.