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		<title>By: ACLU Condemns Senate FISA Vote : Stop The ACLU</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACLU Condemns Senate FISA Vote : Stop The ACLU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] points out that Obama just may be the ACLU&#8217;s candidate of choice&#8230;the dangerous kind. Michelle Malkin has a great roundup on this. Barack Obama&#8217;s &#8220;change&#8221; is more than a silly slogan, it&#8217;s dangerous. For [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] points out that Obama just may be the ACLU&#8217;s candidate of choice&#8230;the dangerous kind. Michelle Malkin has a great roundup on this. Barack Obama&#8217;s &#8220;change&#8221; is more than a silly slogan, it&#8217;s dangerous. For [...]</p>
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		<title>By: garyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your statement maybe true Aslponse but the Demos have nothing to offer but Sharia Law. You expect doing nothing will work? did that work for Chamberlain in stopping Hitler? When the Brits left Dunkirk did it stop Hitler? So how do you figure you are going to stop these guys when you don&#039;t do anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your statement maybe true Aslponse but the Demos have nothing to offer but Sharia Law. You expect doing nothing will work? did that work for Chamberlain in stopping Hitler? When the Brits left Dunkirk did it stop Hitler? So how do you figure you are going to stop these guys when you don&#8217;t do anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Perk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, SpeakEasy said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Alphonse said:
What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As Fessic would say, “You have fallen for one of the classic blunders…”
Invading Afghanistan to catch a Saudi national, since Afghanistan did not declare war on the US, would have caused us more trouble than Iraq ever has. There seems to be a misconception (I’m being rather kind since I don’t believe the Lefties would actually rely on any facts) that all we had to do to get Bin Laden was to go full-bore into Afghanistan. Read a little history and you will discover that even Alexander the Great had to compromise with the tribal chieftains (and marry into the family) to bring them to heel. Utter nonsense that becomes “Well all they had to do was….” type Monday morning quarterbacking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe there is some confusion on both sides here.  Going full-bore into Afghanistan would not ensure that we got binLadin, but would ensure that we destabilized Iraq and Iran.  A more-democratic, stable Afghanistan would be a true challenge to any Saddam regime, and to Iran.  At the time, Iran was close to a revolution - and that was ended by our war with Iraq.  Iran cracked down on dissent, and nationalism helped the hard-liners there rather than the moderates looking for change.  Afghanistan has always been a tough place historically, but our approach has reaped dividends, and full-attention to that problem would have paid off.
All that said, it was too late when Bush-Cheney laid down ultimatums to Iraq they ignored.  At that point, we had to go to war, and did.
In my last stint in Iraq I saw very real progress.  Let us not forget that the MSM and Dhimmos want us to forget that despite the recent uptick in violence, things are much, much better there.
We have to stay the course.  Our soldiers contribute their own money at times to bring school supplies, volleyballs, etc to communities in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Although tired of deployments, reenlistment rates remain high.  What does this tell you?  Those Americans on the ground think that it is a worthwhile, doable cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, SpeakEasy said:</p>
<blockquote><p>On February 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Alphonse said:<br />
What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam</p></blockquote>
<p>As Fessic would say, “You have fallen for one of the classic blunders…”<br />
Invading Afghanistan to catch a Saudi national, since Afghanistan did not declare war on the US, would have caused us more trouble than Iraq ever has. There seems to be a misconception (I’m being rather kind since I don’t believe the Lefties would actually rely on any facts) that all we had to do to get Bin Laden was to go full-bore into Afghanistan. Read a little history and you will discover that even Alexander the Great had to compromise with the tribal chieftains (and marry into the family) to bring them to heel. Utter nonsense that becomes “Well all they had to do was….” type Monday morning quarterbacking.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe there is some confusion on both sides here.  Going full-bore into Afghanistan would not ensure that we got binLadin, but would ensure that we destabilized Iraq and Iran.  A more-democratic, stable Afghanistan would be a true challenge to any Saddam regime, and to Iran.  At the time, Iran was close to a revolution &#8211; and that was ended by our war with Iraq.  Iran cracked down on dissent, and nationalism helped the hard-liners there rather than the moderates looking for change.  Afghanistan has always been a tough place historically, but our approach has reaped dividends, and full-attention to that problem would have paid off.<br />
All that said, it was too late when Bush-Cheney laid down ultimatums to Iraq they ignored.  At that point, we had to go to war, and did.<br />
In my last stint in Iraq I saw very real progress.  Let us not forget that the MSM and Dhimmos want us to forget that despite the recent uptick in violence, things are much, much better there.<br />
We have to stay the course.  Our soldiers contribute their own money at times to bring school supplies, volleyballs, etc to communities in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Although tired of deployments, reenlistment rates remain high.  What does this tell you?  Those Americans on the ground think that it is a worthwhile, doable cause.</p>
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		<title>By: SpeakEasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpeakEasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Alphonse said: 
What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As Fessic would say, &quot;You have fallen for one of the classic blunders...&quot;

Invading Afghanistan to catch a Saudi national, since Afghanistan did not declare war on the US, would have caused us more trouble than Iraq ever has. There seems to be a misconception (I&#039;m being rather kind since I don&#039;t believe the Lefties would actually rely on any facts) that all we had to do to get Bin Laden was to go full-bore into Afghanistan. Read a little history and you will discover that even Alexander the Great had to compromise with the tribal chieftains (and marry into the family) to bring them to heel. Utter nonsense that becomes &quot;Well all they had to do was....&quot; type Monday morning quarterbacking.

I do agree that the President is wrong on his failure to stop illegal immigration, but the idea that we should violate any nation&#039;s sovereignty because there is a criminal within their borders does not make sense. We use diplomatic channels. Otherwise we have no room to complain if another nation does the same. In my heart I would like to go into Mexico and get the murderer of Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach and her baby, but my head knows it has to be handled differently.

Your credibility gap is showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Alphonse said:<br />
What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam
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<p>As Fessic would say, &#8220;You have fallen for one of the classic blunders&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Invading Afghanistan to catch a Saudi national, since Afghanistan did not declare war on the US, would have caused us more trouble than Iraq ever has. There seems to be a misconception (I&#8217;m being rather kind since I don&#8217;t believe the Lefties would actually rely on any facts) that all we had to do to get Bin Laden was to go full-bore into Afghanistan. Read a little history and you will discover that even Alexander the Great had to compromise with the tribal chieftains (and marry into the family) to bring them to heel. Utter nonsense that becomes &#8220;Well all they had to do was&#8230;.&#8221; type Monday morning quarterbacking.</p>
<p>I do agree that the President is wrong on his failure to stop illegal immigration, but the idea that we should violate any nation&#8217;s sovereignty because there is a criminal within their borders does not make sense. We use diplomatic channels. Otherwise we have no room to complain if another nation does the same. In my heart I would like to go into Mexico and get the murderer of Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach and her baby, but my head knows it has to be handled differently.</p>
<p>Your credibility gap is showing.</p>
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		<title>By: DanME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time Bush put his foot down on this issue!! I hope he will NOT COMPROMISE
with the dems on this issue. The American public is with the Republicans on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time Bush put his foot down on this issue!! I hope he will NOT COMPROMISE<br />
with the dems on this issue. The American public is with the Republicans on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Alphonse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alphonse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam, and is holding the border open for anyone who want to come in, so his blarney on terrorism is simply not credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a phony baloney Bush is. He let bin Laden off the hook by concentrating all our resources on Saddam, and is holding the border open for anyone who want to come in, so his blarney on terrorism is simply not credible.</p>
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		<title>By: The Jawa Report</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/13/fisa-fight-no-more-band-aids/comment-page-1/#comment-244083</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jawa Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Barrack Obama: Dangerous...&lt;/strong&gt;

Barrack Obama&#039;s &quot;change&quot; is more than a silly slogan, it&#039;s dangerous. For Obama &quot;change&quot; means moving American to a pre-9/11 stance where law enforcement&#039;s hands were tied. 9/11 was not a failure of individuals--Bill Clinton and George W. Bush a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Barrack Obama: Dangerous&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Barrack Obama&#8217;s &#8220;change&#8221; is more than a silly slogan, it&#8217;s dangerous. For Obama &#8220;change&#8221; means moving American to a pre-9/11 stance where law enforcement&#8217;s hands were tied. 9/11 was not a failure of individuals&#8211;Bill Clinton and George W. Bush a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terrig #10, 
Here is an excellent article by one of my favorite writers that you might be able to pass on.
NRO, National Review on-line
Tuesday 12th
&quot;Iraq Is Not the Worry&quot;
It is surrender and self-destruction at home.

By Victor Davis Hanson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terrig #10,<br />
Here is an excellent article by one of my favorite writers that you might be able to pass on.<br />
NRO, National Review on-line<br />
Tuesday 12th<br />
&#8220;Iraq Is Not the Worry&#8221;<br />
It is surrender and self-destruction at home.</p>
<p>By Victor Davis Hanson</p>
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		<title>By: walterc</title>
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		<dc:creator>walterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know guys, sounds like the GOP is starting to fight back a little bit here.

Too little to late?  Or in time and with enough noise to influence the next election?  

Are we going to let the people see the difference in how each party will handle the greatest threat to our freedom since Hitler, or are we going to let the Dhimmicrats keep the focus on subprime lending?

Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know guys, sounds like the GOP is starting to fight back a little bit here.</p>
<p>Too little to late?  Or in time and with enough noise to influence the next election?  </p>
<p>Are we going to let the people see the difference in how each party will handle the greatest threat to our freedom since Hitler, or are we going to let the Dhimmicrats keep the focus on subprime lending?</p>
<p>Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: terrig</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear Marshall Russ is right on #8.  I truly fear for what will become of our country.  We have a family friend whose daughter is an &quot;intern&quot; for the Obama campaign.  I asked her over the holidays where exactly he stood on a number of issues and I got the old deer in the headlights look and all she could do was talk about &quot;hope&quot; and the fact that if we have things like fisa we&#039;re no better than the terrorists.  I wanted to say to her that she was 12 when 9/11 happened and she has forgotten but since I really like her parents and her father outranks my husband, I kept my big trap shut.  
However, if McCain is elected I do think he&#039;ll stick to his guns on this but one never knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear Marshall Russ is right on #8.  I truly fear for what will become of our country.  We have a family friend whose daughter is an &#8220;intern&#8221; for the Obama campaign.  I asked her over the holidays where exactly he stood on a number of issues and I got the old deer in the headlights look and all she could do was talk about &#8220;hope&#8221; and the fact that if we have things like fisa we&#8217;re no better than the terrorists.  I wanted to say to her that she was 12 when 9/11 happened and she has forgotten but since I really like her parents and her father outranks my husband, I kept my big trap shut.<br />
However, if McCain is elected I do think he&#8217;ll stick to his guns on this but one never knows.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“It’s time the majority comes to the realization that &lt;strong&gt;passing a long-term fix to the terrorist loophole&lt;/strong&gt; – that also extends protection to companies that cooperated with our intelligence agencies following 9/11 – &lt;strong&gt;is the only responsible course of action.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“It’s time the majority comes to the realization that <strong>passing a long-term fix to the terrorist loophole</strong> – that also extends protection to companies that cooperated with our intelligence agencies following 9/11 – <strong>is the only responsible course of action.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama/Hill will over turn this by executive order on their first day. And for good measure they will appoint liberals to the FCC and re-institute the Fairness Doctrine. And that&#039;s day one by nine am. That will give them the rest of the day to wreck havoc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama/Hill will over turn this by executive order on their first day. And for good measure they will appoint liberals to the FCC and re-institute the Fairness Doctrine. And that&#8217;s day one by nine am. That will give them the rest of the day to wreck havoc.</p>
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		<title>By: hatelibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>hatelibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am NOT a fan of McCain but I do suspect he would be throwing a tantrum at the Dems and calling them on the carpet over this.  One thing he isn&#039;t afaid to do is ruffle feathers.  At least fighting terrorists is one issue where he is on our side. 
Bush won&#039;t back down but he is and has been way too &quot;civil&quot; about the public discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am NOT a fan of McCain but I do suspect he would be throwing a tantrum at the Dems and calling them on the carpet over this.  One thing he isn&#8217;t afaid to do is ruffle feathers.  At least fighting terrorists is one issue where he is on our side.<br />
Bush won&#8217;t back down but he is and has been way too &#8220;civil&#8221; about the public discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
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		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still love the editorial cartoon (I will post the link if I can find it) of AlGore before and after 9/11.

Before:  Illegal wiretaps!!!

After:  We should have been listening in!!!

The liberal mindset is that every wiretap is “unwarranted”.

No, every wiretap is warranted if the call is to suspected/known terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, organizations………</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still love the editorial cartoon (I will post the link if I can find it) of AlGore before and after 9/11.</p>
<p>Before:  Illegal wiretaps!!!</p>
<p>After:  We should have been listening in!!!</p>
<p>The liberal mindset is that every wiretap is “unwarranted”.</p>
<p>No, every wiretap is warranted if the call is to suspected/known terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, organizations………</p>
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		<title>By: madchef</title>
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		<dc:creator>madchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lib&#039;s want to allow the terrorist&#039;s to be able to sue the telecommunication companies that work with U.S. Intel. agencies. I guess that is the &quot;we are against the war&quot; part of &quot;we support our troops, but not the war&quot; mantra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lib&#8217;s want to allow the terrorist&#8217;s to be able to sue the telecommunication companies that work with U.S. Intel. agencies. I guess that is the &#8220;we are against the war&#8221; part of &#8220;we support our troops, but not the war&#8221; mantra.</p>
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