Jane Fonda said what on national morning TV?
The woman has no class. You already knew that. But here’s more confirmation. Another reason not to let your children watch TV in the morning.
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I saw that! Couldn’t believe it, and Meredith’s annoying cackle trying to drown out her sistah was equally annoying! Not to mention the whole bit about violenece against woman not a single mention of Muslim transgressions…
ugh…
Was she looking in a mirror at that point?
Yeah… Nice. Jane Fonda is a woman who (C)an’t (U)nderstand (N)ormal (T)hinking.
Man, what a classy dame!
I wouldn’t even call her that word.
It’s just wrong.
These people are nuts.
Tactless.
But, I can’t say that it surprises me, coming from Fonda.
Oh, what sophisticated conversation I miss by not tuning in.
But this is V-Day! Soon the Monologues will be played for thousands of college students. It will teach women than “rhyms with stunt” must be reclaimed (really, you can’t make this stuff up)! That is is liberating to be reffered to by your genitalia!
Hail V-Day! Brought to you be Fonda, Streisand, and every other pathetic feminist loner who never got over themselves enough to get a man worth getting.
I can’t believe what I just heard. I’m in shock.
No video on computer at work.
If I’m correctly piecing together what she said from the clues provided, this woman is a pig.
Yet another example of a leftist, socialist, secular, “progressive”, immoral/amoral pig.
Period.
If anyone would know what a “rhymes with runt” is, it would be Fonda. I mean she was married to one after all.
Yikes… that was too much for the morning for sure.
I do find it amusing, however, how much TV is regulated over here re: bad language. You can have bloody violent films and TV - such as people being shot, thrown off buildings, crime scenes etc..but then have the swear words dubbed out (mostly badly) - and this can be up to 10pm at night!
Swearing = Bad …. Violence = Okay
Americans would have a heart attack if they watched European TV….
It would have been okay if she wrote a song called “Cu_t” though - right?
Snausage,
There are several threads that you did not post comments on. Why now?
I am throwing dinw the:
Tango Foxtrot on this one.
For all who do not konw:
I G N O R E
H I M
This “lady” always did have class - even when she was trying to shoot down US planes over Hanoi!
Oops - sorry - had a flashback there for a moment!
Torn on this one -
She was referring to ( if her story is the truth ) an acting job in a play which was called ‘@*nt’. I think this is more of a ‘oops, I forgot I was on network TV’ issue than anything else.
When I read the story headline… I thought perhaps she was using the word to refer to someone…
Gotta remember…. so many years married to a cable-tv guy… perhaps she forgot that the networks still exist and have decorum rules….
Still - it is one of Carlin’s 7-words…. wonder if anyone will get fined for this one?
is she the goat the guy had to marry on the other thread?
awful actress, awful person. (barf)
Wow, Soap… either you:
A. Haven’t had enough coffee yet
B. Have had TOO MUCH coffee
C. Are just in a gnarly mood…
Sausage ain’t always the sharpest crayon in the box ( from a conservative standpoint ) … but the guy didn’t post anything trollish in his comment…
Methinks someone is itchin’ for a confrontation -
It’s not just disgusting that she said the word on TV, it’s disgusting that such a monologue even exists. Hey, maybe she can follow Kelis’s example of proud reclamation and get the word emblazoned in gold on a jacket.
Ah yes, the Vagina Monologues … I am particularly fond of the part where the seduction of an underage girl into a lesbian sexual tryst is romanticized. Good stuff.
She is one!
sausage i’ve never been freaked out by european tv. Still, the only notable thing to say about european tv imho is that we should aspire for something better. Nothing special going on across the pond.
Why does anyone give Barbarella any credibility? She’s a bad actress with an eating disorder and daddy issues who only got anywhere because her father was Henry Fonda. She’s literally a waste of human flesh and the MSM should just relegate her to the bin marked “yesterday’s trash” and get over it. Giving her any air time at all just negates any credibility that whatever little show she’s on has ~ but they’re too f-in’ stupid to realize that. She’s mentally ill. Read her book - she’s a total MESS of a human.
#15
“She was referring to ( if her story is the truth ) an acting job in a play which was called ‘@*nt’. I think this is more of a ‘oops, I forgot I was on network TV’ issue than anything else.”
If she decided to be in a play with such a name, then she is still a pig.
Ask yourselves: would anyone who did not condone titling a play thus even consider acting in it, let alone agree to act in it?
Regarding forgetting one is on network TV, I should think even a table wouldn’t be so stupid.
#21 On February 14th, 2008 at 10:27 am, mlnicosia said:
“sausage i’ve never been freaked out by european tv. Still, the only notable thing to say about european tv imho is that we should aspire for something better. Nothing special going on across the pond.”
Well said.
Wonder how those clowns running European TV are going to fare (and how long they are going to survive - literally) when the Sharia barbarians with the long knives take over.
she doesnt have the talent to be in a play. unless maybe it’s one line, then maybe she could pull it off.
This was definitely an oopsie and to call Fonda a pig (for her language as opposed to her politics) is considerably more classless than uttering a dirty word.
She used an inappropriate word (in context) and she will apologize and that will be that.
And have any of you used offensive language when it wasn’t appropriate? You’ve never used a bad word in front of the boss or the kids? Granted you disn’t make the mistake in front of an audience of millions, but you people are touting a holier than thou superiority that you probably don’t deserve.
What really distresses me is the anti-feminist sentiment that is being bandied about.
What?
I cuss like a Marine Gunnery Sergeant, but the “c” word is one I avoid altogether. Sometimes, after seeing Jane Fonda on TV, I’ll allow my mind to access the word, but it never becomes audible. Ugly word. That said, Jane Fonda is a…
On February 14th, 2008 at 10:21 am, jrlingreenbay said:
EH! I sick and tired of these people (who will not even wish our hostess Happy Birthday or Valentines Day) that will not post on other threads (The Senate interrogation ban: Roll call vote, Justice for Robert Dean Stethem, the Marines in Beirut, and other American victims of Hezbollah, The FISA fight: Nutroots lose, America wins; Update: Senate passes FISA reform bill - and many others) but will post when sex in public or the word cu_t comes up and, then, we can’t get them to shut up.
P.S. No coffee yet. Off to kitchen for some java now. It will not help though.
See, Rusty just proved my point. No posts yesterday on some real issues.
CU_T!!!
Heeeeeeerrrrrsssss Rusty!
Soap - it’s called “selective trollery”
OH yes Sausage, us Americans are so, so provincial… Unlike you cultured, superior Euro’s with your sex laden, sewer mouthed, lying, anti-American media….
You’re right, Euro’s have a rep for being “panty waists” and pansies. All around the US, I often see Euro’s slumped over grasping their chests, after their first glimpse of violence on the prime time shows we have here… be careful what you watch… wouldn’t want to lose the most endearing troll here at MM’s.
I guess that’s not one of those 7 dirty words you can’t say on TV.
sausage…
You miss the point of language censorship. Such censorship does not stifle the ability of the speaker to express an idea. The words are not bleeped just because they are offensive or may make some people uncomfortable. They are bleeped so they are not considered (and hence become) acceptable speech. This is particularly true with exposure to children and teens.
Garbage language is easy to get into the habit of using and can ’slip out’ at inappropriate times. It is hard for someone who has filthy language ingrained in their speech habits to articulate well.
As to showing violence, showing it is usually not an indication of condoning or accepting it. When it does encroach on being offensive, uncomfortable, or acceptable, then there are efforts to censor it.
I saw the V-logues in college. All I thought when it was over was just how exactly reclaiming the “c” word was more impressive than say, Sally Ride, or Jane Goodall (sans political ideology), or Mother Theresa, or the countless other women that actually DO things to contribute to society or break down barriers or what have you. At it’s core, the feminist movement is really about adopting the WORST aspects of male behavior and making it ok for women to do them. If women are biologically meant to tame the man (that is an assumption, of course), I believe the term is “settling down” or some such, than without them to do so leads to poorer societal behavior as a whole. Just a thought.
Stay classy, Jane Fonda. Stay classy.
Soap, it’s because I like arguing over things that are silly, funny, or am passionate about (feminism, gay rights). This qualifies. The death of a soldier 20 years ago does not. What more do you want me to say other than I’m glad the guy who planned that hijacking exploded? What more can I add to that discourse?
Also, I’m loathe to comment on something where I don’t know my stuff (like the FISA bill). Obviously that is no obstacle for you.
Fonda is a washed up, has been, irrelevent fool. Why would a TV show even schedule her as a guest???? Because they know she may say something outlandish.
As to her use of the “C” word, must say, it takes one to know one. Actually that is too kind a word for her…….Communist Traitor are better.
After her visits with Ho Chi Minh, most of us old war dogs just called her “Ho” or Ms. Ho at formal gatherings.
She is a b*tch and she always will be. Nuff said.
One more reason why the nickname “Miss Piggy” is so fitting.
Well, another reason why I watch “Fox & Friends” in the morning if I watch anything at all. Notice too that she was also dissing the South by saying “I lived in GA”. You know, I always liked Ga and when we were living at Fort Stewart, in Hinesville, I couldn’t find nicer people than those there and in Savannah. Augusta, on the other hand wasn’t quite so friendly and Atlanta is just like any other big city but I think GA is a very pleasant place to live unless of course you’re the commie loving idiot who thinks she’s the be all and end all. She’s a pig, plain and simple.
A Happy Valentines Day to all and to our hostess a big thank you for our forum.
I think Jane probably knew exactly what she was doing…reclaiming the word is part of what the V-logues is all about after all, and I’m sure he high-fived low-fived?) the writer lady next to her after the segment … (i use the word “lady” loosely)
#29 On February 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am, On-my-soap-box said:
“See, Rusty just proved my point. No posts yesterday on some real issues.”
Exactly.
Didn’t take long for the “holier-than-thou” smear to be hurled.
Now waiting for the second partner of the tag-team…the dreaded “judgmental”.
I don’t know - I would have been shocked if she had, say, called Meredith Veira the “c” word. She was just referring to it in a negative way, as in she didn’t want to do the piece. I personally really hate the “c” word. They were discussing the Vagina Monologues though, for pete’s sake. Context, people, context! Although I don’t think she should have actually used the word on morning TV.
Who can say what in America, Why won’t the American Public wake up? We are mad as Hell and we won’t take it anymore…remember the Movie “Network”
Great! So no more quotes from the Bible then. I good with that.
And of course the FCC has no problems with this????
I’ll link you more directly later, but essentially feminists have taken Valentine’s day and renamed it V-Day, replacing the original theme: love and romance, with hypersexualized hoo-ha.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=V-Day
It is of course, sold as “conciousness rasing.”
Here’s a brief of a headline from that Google search:
So you see it’s one of those “stop abuse” things achieved through presenting a play in which glorifies the intoxication and raping of a minor by a lesbian. (Male rapists are, however, condemned.)
memyselfandi, for many of my generation, she is and always will be “Hanoi Jane” - and for Rusty(although I shouldn’t), I know ladies and I know broads - Fonda is no lady. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it will still be a pig. Don’t believe anything here is anti-feminism ans much as it is anti-Jane.
Soap:
Look at #35 again:
“Soap…. …I’m loathe to comment on something where I don’t know my stuff…. Obviously that is no obstacle for you.”
Wow!
A half-a**edly (is that even an adverb?) hidden personal shot.
A nerve definitely seems to have been hit!
Sausage
Americans would have a heart attack if they watched European TV….
No. Americans go into a deep sleep when we watch European TV. It just seems like a hear attack.
If any of you think the “C” word Jane Fonda used is anywhere equivalent to saying sh@t, then you’ve got problems! I would never say that word in front of my girls and try not to say any other bad words. These “women” who are trying to reclaim the “c” word are about as respectable as Nas and his “n” word shirt and CD.
Happy Valentine’s Day!
I hope so.
Rusty
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Wish our hostess a HVD.
When you have grown up being one, what is wrong with using those words. It is like the ‘N’ word. If you are black, no problem, if you are white, big problem.
Hanoi Jane - she is that word.
Oh sh!t. Jane Fonda’s still alive? I’ve got some wagers to pay off. See ya’ later.
Ooooooooooh. Eve Ensler is soooo shocking and revolutionary! Writing a bunch of plays about parts of womens bodies… and the characters actually say the word vagina over and over! And in the play she talks about how she loved being molested by some creepy pedophile-chick who lived in the apartment upstairs from hers. Not to mention that she has had the same haircut since 1973! What a revolutionary! */sarcasm button off
Sausage #11:
The others are right, European TV is boring, we’ve seen it all before because its just American sitcoms (old seasons at that) and other TV dubbed into French, German or Italian. And if its not fictional TV its CNBC, CNN and SKY.
The first (and only) creative, original thing to come out of European TV was reality TV out of Holland.
Rusty - The point of your comments in #26 seems to be based around the concept that the word Fonda used is equivalent to just swearing. I have to argue that saying sh!t (although I never use that word either) is not the same as what Fonda said.
Plus, I don’t think context excuses it. If some clever person decided to name a novel F***! that wouldn’t suddenly make it okay for me to say that word, just as I don’t think it’s magically acceptable for me to use the n-word so long as I’m referring to Nas’s album.
In either January or February 1973, Jane Fonda said that the American POWs who had just returned from North VietNamese prisons (including John McCain) were “liars” and she said that there was no mistreatment of POWS by the NorthVietNamese captors. She was asked again about her statement and she said: “And the guys are liars”. She refused to back down. This is all available on NY Times microfilm and in the NY Times back back archives if anybody in the MSM ever cared to look (they don’t care to look). This is all the more reason to support John McCain. Jane Fonda hates him. Now I like Big John even more. Please support John McCain and piss off Jane Fonda.
mngirl - While I do think sausage’s original comment was asinine, I have to disagree about the lack of originality in British TV. Plenty of American TV comes from recycling old shows from other countries. Personally, I love the American show The Office, and I know I have Ricky Gervais and the Britsh version to thank for that.
#57 RaisedRigh:
I’m afraid you’re just wasting your breath.
I know I sound like a broken record (boy, that expression dates me!)…but, this is (here we go again) yet another example of irreconcilable worldviews; and, yet another example of something which, if you have to explain it to someone, they will n-e-v-e-r understand.
#60 RaisedRight:
Check out “Yes, Minister” and “Yes, Prime Minister” from Britain.
You’ll ROTFLYAO.
Just be sure you are not eating or drinking anything while you’re watching them; and, very importantly, listen to e-v-e-r-y word, and watch every expression.
Everything gets tied up at the end, the way it did in “Fawlty Towers”, which is another gem.
RaisedRight (#57), you’re right. The c-word is the mother of “fighting words.” I used it once on my blog to describe a female politican who I had caught in a bald-faced lie about DC. I greatly underestimated the anger that word would produce.
But I disagree that using bad words in context is inherently bad. If someone asks me what NWA stands for, I’m going to tell them. “N-Bombs With Attitude” doesn’t have the same panache.
There’s no argument that what Ms. Fonda said was acceptable. It wasn’t. But it was an error. I still remember the first time my Mom let loose a tirade of obscenities when she burnt her hand on the oven. And i accidently dropped an F-bomb in front of my grandmother. These things happen.
I agree, and coarse language has gone beyond just ’slipping out’ at inappropriate times. In my commuting on LA’s Metrorail I routinely overhear teens conversing and regulary punctuting their dialog with the F-word and calling each other names, which, in my youth would have gotten my rear end paddled and my mouth washed out with soap.
Can’t help but know that they pick this up by what they hear by the bad behavior of careless adults and reinfored by the equally careless media and simply think it permissable.
Parents should be instilling the best in social behavior in their children with the educationsla establishement and media assisting in that effort.
It seems to be turned just the other, thands to way in the gross misuse of “freedom of speech”.
Rewrite: It seems to be turned just the other way thanks to the gross misuse of “freedom of speech”
My bad writing!
Great! I took law for a couple of years so now, I am attorney. I took chemistry for a couple of years so not I am a chemist. I took biology for a couple of years so, now I am a biologist. I could go on.
It is called - RESPECT and you have rarely (and I say rarely because I might have missed it) that you have ever paid respect to our hostess.
P.S. Rusty.
You are here because of one word and we all know it!
Rusty - I don’t know about that. I think we are back to your arguments about Sex Week. Just because people do something frequently (be it looking at porn or swearing or what have you) doesn’t make it acceptable to do.
I have to agree with hawkeye54’s comments. I am proud to say that in my 25 years I have never heard my mother swear and I have only once heard my father swear (he said a quiet sh!t when he nearly lost a finger on the grinder in the garage.) That swearing is commonplace doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong. Instead of looking the other way of excusing it, we need to try to change the way children are taught to look at such language. Although my husband does not swear too often, he is working very hard now to eliminate it from his vocabulary so that when we have kids he doesn’t have to worry about “slipping.”
[Note: I hope that didn’t all just sound like an “aren’t I, my parents, and my husband fantastic” rant. I just use the examples I can immediately think of.]
Hanoi Jane is not only a traitor, she is trash. No surprise. What a foul human being.
I’m not agitated about what Fonda said–hell, I thought she was dead–but don’t believe for a moment what she said “just slipped out.” This wasn’t a hard interview. Today Show interviewees know the questions and have scripted their answers before they ever set foot on stage.
You said it yourself.
Soap, others - please don’t give him the pleasure. We all know why he’s here, and he said so himself. Pretend his posts aren’t even there.
Well that was a cunning stunt
Lest we forget….
http://moveon.cn/HJane.htm
Thanks for the reminder four.
It is not Rusty per se, it is the idea that they act like things matter but it is just the word that brings them out.
We should expect to hear from lgm soon as well.
Soap, What was your reaction when Cheney told Leahy to go “F*ck yourself” on the Senate floor?
That seems at least as inappropriate to me as what Fonda did.
Neither are excusable, but of course, when MM blogged on that incident the punchline was “look how the MSM will focus on this instead of the important issues” rather than “this is the downfall of western civilization”.
Hey chap, long time no hear.
I think it was bad form. I think he should have invited him to go hunting!
#73 On February 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, MrVIBEMAN said:
“Lest we forget….
http://moveon.cn/HJane.htm”
Yep - I remember all that from the early 70s.
A few months ago on a newscast I watched poor Jessie from Fox News asking Jane Fonda (paraphrasing here) if she felt bad about the millions slaughtered in Cambodia and Vietnam after the communists took over.
Her answer - surprise! - was (again, paraphrasing) that she was sorry that “we” (the U.S., ‘course) had created this situation in the first place.
Once again, it is demonstrated that trying to arguing reasonably and logically with socialists/”progressives” - with individuals from “across the worldview divide” - is like trying to defend yourself at a witchcraft trial.
And, in a more polite past, TV guests were reminded to watch their language (recall George Carlin’s 7 forbidden words routine?) before the red light went on. Just about everyone did remember to be careful about what they said publically while on TV.
Nowadays, many public figures just don’t care or think about what comes out of their mouths when they are in front of any recording devise.
More’s the pity that they, who should know better, lead the way in the downward spiral of civility.
No hot date tonight Rusty?
PS - as long as the discussion is about language, how about “I couldn’t care less…”?
Got your back. I take the bait, too, oftentimes, but I realized that there’s no substance to his positions, and it quickly devolves into name-calling petty retort.
#79 On February 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:
‘PS - as long as the discussion is about language, how about “I couldn’t care less…”?’
Thank you.
I was thinking about the same thing, but I was afraid that I might appear too judgmental!
First Diane Keaton, now Hanoi Jane. These aging broads are trying to show how hip they are by dropping dirty words on live t.v., but to me, someone young enough to be their daughter, they just come across as boorish show business trash.
Whether it’s intentional or a mere slip-up, none of this would be a problem if the networks did a seven-second delay on live broadcasts, as they do in radio. But the networks want to shovel filth down our throats. If they had their way, there would be f-bombs in Saturday morning cartoons, hardcore pornography on the Today show, and NC-17 gore on prime time t.v..
#82 On February 14th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, greenfairie said:
“But the networks want to shovel filth down our throats. If they had their way, there would be f-bombs in Saturday morning cartoons, hardcore pornography on the Today show, and NC-17 gore on prime time t.v..”
Correct.
Admittedly, I’m beating a dead horse; but, if you have to explain to someone WHY you, greenfairie, are correct in your comment and argument, that someone will never understand.
You would have the same degree of success, and the same results, if, while speaking Vietnamese, you tried to explain something to someone who understands only Latvian.
What a classy feminist bottom feeder.
Shame on you all.This is Valentines Day,the day we celebrate love.Now,I expect all of you to tell Rusty how much you LOVE him.
By the way,Happy Valentine’s Day to you all,and especially our gracious hostess.
Hey! I love Rusty. It’s just some of his ideas I don’t much care for. I mean, come on, at least Rusty is honest and not the second coming of the Kos Kiddies. There are worse people to engage with.
That being said, I demand an end to abstinence only theft-ed. Thousands of thieves damage themselves each year in the act of theft. Obviously laws against theft have been ineffective at curtailing this popular activity, so I say we all band together and make safe theft kits.
If you’re going to steal, you shouldn’t get hurt doing it. We’ll have the white gloves, the glasscutters, and little pamphlets on how to sneak in quietly at night so you won’t have any altercations with those mean anti-choicers who think they have a right to their property. MY FINDINGS! MY KEEPINGS!
These safe-theft kits should be publicly funded and made available to anyone who needs them without notification or consent.
HAPPY VALENTINES DAY Michelle.Jane baby is t#ts on a bull and will never be forgiven no matter what she says or does.Has anyone sent you flowers today Rusty?
How ironic that Hanoi Jane should crawl out from whatever gutter she inhabits. On the way into my office after lunch, I was listening to an interview with Navy Commander (Retired) Paul Galanti who spent seven years – yes seven years – as a P.O.W. in Vietnam. He has an amazingly optimistic attitude and could discuss without rancor the torture that P.O.W.s like him and his friend John McCain suffered. The only time that I could detect any sense of bitterness in his voice was when he talked about the impact that visits from Hanoi Jane and her American communists allies (his words) had on the prisoners. I expect that today’s generation of warriors will look back at their service with justifiable pride and at today’s American Al Qaeda allies (Robbins, Penn, Sarandon, etc.) with the same disgust that heroes like Galanti and McCain look at Hanoi Jane.
Chap? Chap?
Comon, it was a joke.
My turn.
How do you feel about a city that wants to arrest the POTUS and the VP for war crimes if they ever visit?
Telling Leahy to go “F*ck yourself” on the Senate floor seems a bit tame to me compared to that.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Amazing just how much havoc one dirty, rotten scoundrel moonbat like Hanoi Jane can wreak on society. Some of her ex-husband’s rank up there in infamy also.
Kissing Commie butt was bad enough, but that propaganda flick The China Syndrome certainly helped set back the nuclear industry in USA. Funny how socialists in France are cool with most of France’s electric power coming from nuclear plants, but the green jackals here fight any kind of sensible solution to power needs.
I still see decals of cartoon character calvin on car windows micturating on Hanoi Jane. May Jane. Tom Hayden and Ted Turner all end up dangling from the hind quarters of Lucifer for an eternity.
Would you agree? - sorry!
Charlie, I read Paul Galanti’s book and there is alot of stuff about John McCain’s courage and honor and valor in it. I have so much admiration for John McCain and so much contempt for Jane Fonda that it makes me ill when I hear some dorks like Ann Coulter say that John McCain is weak on defense. I wish everyone who criticizes John McCain would realize that they are doing Jane Fonda’s work.
All I could think of after seeing that is, “Jane you ignorant slut!”
I used to love the Hanoi Jane Fonda urinal stickers that were used in many Military bars throughout the country back during my drinking days.
Rusty–
Why do you always try and justify terrible behavior? Is there anything inherently wrong in your mind?
Because in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal.
Rusty, What about that second question… Do you think that there are things that are inherently wrong? Or is it all relative?
Are there some things that ARE a big deal? What are they? And what is the “grand scheme of things?” What does that mean?
I’d say such an utterance coming out of Hanoi Jane’s mouth is a pretty accurate self description.
While the military does have the effect of taking one’s vocabulary to the realm of profanic poetry (to hear some of the “seasoned” NCO’s was to experience a true art form at its very best), the “C” word was for the most part taboo. However, a fairly universal exception was made to its utterance when the subject of discourse was Jane Fonda. It seems she is unique among women in the hearts and minds of the US Armed forces.
Rusty must be feeling the love!!!
Not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand, but it is silly. I am sure you will not be surprised to hear I have many many issues with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and the war in Iraq, but I think that folks who scream “war crime!” vis a vis those guys at the top of their lungs are as wrong as those who instinctively scream “treason!” or “sedition!” vis a vis war protesters.
As for Jane, I admit that she and her actions in Vietnam are not of my generation, I really didn’t know much about the whole controversy until reading this site, so it is hard for me to get too worked up about her. But I understand why she would be so hated, especially by veterans and those of that time. But I guess that is my point. I think 95% of the anger here is being directed toward the actor, not the act. If it was just about anyone else that said what she did, I am not so sure MM, or the rest would care so much.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. We all hold people we revile to a double standard and are quick to pounce on any misstep. For me its Hillary (Sorry Rusty. But I love your blog).
We just watched the movie Monster in-law the other night. Throughout the movie I couldn’t view her as anything other than a traitorous whore. Clearly, her rhetorical ejaculation keenly reinforces the whore label.
She might’ve been referring to herself.
Of course there are things that are inherently wrong. But I think they’re pretty few and far between. And there are degrees of right and wrong too. Saying that word on television, even in context, is wrong. But that doesn’t make it a big deal.
If we’re going to get in a debate of right and wrong, save it for abortion, capital punishment, war, etc. The stakes are much higher and there are much more compelling arguments. This is as low-stake as you can get.
Chapoutier, as loath as I am to bring up the past, here’s one of Hanoi Jane’s quotes:
There are more, but I get disgusted every time I think about it. You need to brush up on your history, or you’ll see it happen again.
Bingo. There are silly people, cities, threads…
You had a question for me and I had one for you. That was all. The common thread - they were both silly.
I can no more get worked up about Jane saying the cu_t word (as you can tell in my post at #12) than I can about Cheney telling someone to get bent (I made fun of that too).
Appreciate ya!
Chaopoutier, lesson two: According to Hanoi Jane, this was the fault of the United States. We “instigated” it by our actions in Southeast Asia
Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.
(by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)
So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?
cpodug,
So, what you are saying is she can run for office in Mass.?
As long as she stays there, I’m good with that
(Should have added) we have enough problems with our own homegrown moonbats out here on the left coast.
#106 cpodug:
I was in high school in the late 60s.
I remember the argument being put forth in discussions on Vietnam in history class, and by national “experts”; that we were stuck in the middle of a civil war (sound familiar?), because we had inherited the problem from the French; that the conflict was nothing more than that.
There may very well have been a component of that, but it was obvious to all, except for rocks and our American socialists/”progressives”/useful idiots, that the Communists, both the Russians and the Chinese, were happily trying to extend their influence in the world by establishing yet another Communist state; and took full advantage of our weakness of resolve that Jane Fonda and her ilk were only too eager to create and promote.
#107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:
“Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.
(by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)
So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”
Patchthebun:
The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
In other words, they will never understand.
#107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:
“Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.
(by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)
So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”
Patchthebun:
The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
In other words, they will never understand.
#107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:
“Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.
(by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)
So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”
Patchthebun:
The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
In other words, they will never understand.
Apologies for the triple play…sluggish, stubborn computer!
If you want a quick and honest overview of the events that you heard about in high school, I strongly recommend “To Set The Record Straight” by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler.
Or talk to just about any veteran from that era. I have friends on the Wall who might not be there if it wasn’t for Hanoi Jane and her cohorts.
Soap, just to clarify…my “silly” was referring to those that would try to arrest Bush or Cheney for war crimes. I was not calling your question to me silly. Just OT.
I do think the Cheney example is at least a little OT. Two places (morning network TV, Senate floor) where such language is uncalled for.
Not sure why there is so much nuance here. There is no context where the c-word, f-word or s-word should be spoken on American daytime television. Ever. ESPECIALLY on a mainstream network program.
Where’s the FCC on this? Is Fonda (and those like her) immune to the rules? Viera (sp?) just sat there watching it happen. This is sad.
#118 spidgy:
Very likely just another example of the salami tactics employed by the left/secular “progressive” worldview.
Not sure who coined the term “salami tactics”; but, I ran across it some years ago, and it made perfect sense…in the same way as the saying (?paraphrased?), “The cut loaf does not miss a slice.”
And, in the same way as the “How to boil a frog” instructions say to NOT put the frog into a kettle of boiling water, because it will merely jump out; rather, put the frog into room temperature water, and then slowly increase the water temperature to boiling. Bt the time the frog senses something is wrong, it is too late.
Hmmm…”by the time…it is too late” could be a metaphor for the left’s tactics of the past 40+ years. (I am by no means anywhere near the first to notice this and to point it out.)
Can anyone imagine that such an utterance on national TV would not have been a career-killer back then, even in the dreadful 60s?
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I wasn’t around then, but I can tell you that I’m increasingly disappointed about what’s on tv, radio, movies. I’m no fuddy duddy, but it’s pretty sad when you can’t turn on a morning tv show or radio show for fear that someone will be discussing something very inappropriate for kids.
Yup, the acceptance of foul “gansta” verbage - such as was topical hereabouts earlier - is another slice.
#120 On February 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, navywife91 said:
“Can anyone imagine that such an utterance on national TV would not have been a career-killer back then, even in the dreadful 60s
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I wasn’t around then, but I can tell you that I’m increasingly disappointed about what’s on tv, radio, movies. I’m no fuddy duddy, but it’s pretty sad when you can’t turn on a morning tv show or radio show for fear that someone will be discussing something very inappropriate for kids.”
I agree with you.
Our three kids are in their 20s now (and, yep, they grow fast! - one day they’re just getting out of diapers…then, when you turn around, they’re just getting out of high school…or college…or grad school!), and my wife and I don’t remember having to keep an eye on daytime, 7pm, 8pm, heck, even 10pm “offerings” to make sure they would not be exposed to stuff that was inappropriate for them.
Your comments illustrate why I’ve said before that I am tired of hearing the “just live and let live” or “just change the channel” horse manure lines of the leftists/secularists.
The fact is, they do NOT let us live.
And, you can’t avoid the filth just by changing the channel.
Your post correctly points that out.
Our popular so-called “culture” is not a values-neutral, “tune-outtable” thing that is just harmlessly hanging around, just for those who seek it.
It is, rather, an all-surrounding, pervasive sickness that permeates seemingly all of society, and that thrusts itself upon our kids (unless one lives under a rock, or in Antarctica away from a research station); and that not only fails to help us raise our kids, but actively fights against us.
navywife91, stick to your guns.
It’s so nice to hear someone else thinks the “turn the channel/station” doesn’t apply to every situation.
Granite
I could have used you the other day. I had problems feeding the troll.
I will, especially my Kimber .45.
I got that Chap. I thought I kinda made it clear - sorry.
100% agree. That being said, I could not get worked up about either one. I didn’t get worked up about Cheney shooting someone by accident. If you bird hunt for too long, you will get hit. I know, I have been hit, my son-in-law has been hit and so has his dad - just to name a few.
Now, arresting our President or VP (Cheney being the link between your question and mine) on home soil, I can get worked up about that. Talk about making our enemies happy.
“Hanoi Jane”-still a communist acting slut!
And in more important news today - 6 Dead In N. Illinois University Massacre - but hey, the fact Fonda said the C word deserves more time on this site it seems… Funny news priorities for the far right in America.
Nice try, sausage boy. Go back to your bridge.
Wait…they let that on the air? That didn’t get bleeped or anything? She said that without even batting an eye!
I don’t find many words offensive or gross simply because after all…they are just words, but that word in particular I find particularly repugnant. And I’m a guy.
To have a gaggle of so-called “Feminists” sitting around on a morning TV talk show and to just blurp out that repugnant word while Jr. and Sissy are eating their Alpha Bits and getting ready for school is just beyond the pale.
If they don’t get fined beyond recognition by the FCC then you know for sure that there most definately is bias when it comes to certain shows and subjects and hosts.
This is low, even for the traitorous pig Fonda.
Hey Snausage…that news is covered in another thread. Maybe if you got a glass navel you could see better considering how far upo yur a** your head is.
Oh, and if you don’t like what is covered and discussed here, then don’t come here. I don’t recall anyone inviting you or asking you to come back.
Anyone? Anyone at all remember asking his two cents worth?
I didn’t think so.
Go play at Kos. Better suited to your…um..tastes.
“Another reason not to let your children watch TV in the morning.”
How about another reason to not let your children watch TV at all.
Okay…. I guess I can cross bird hunting off the ol’ “Potential Hobbies” list.
I guess that just leaves “Providing comfort to the enemy” and “Stealing the souls of our children.”
You guys aren’t related to the Mayor of New Orleans are you?