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101. #101
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

     We just watched the movie Monster in-law the other night. Throughout the movie I couldn’t view her as anything other than a traitorous whore. Clearly, her rhetorical ejaculation keenly reinforces the whore label.

102. #102
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, ammo john said:

     She might’ve been referring to herself.

103. #103
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, Rusty said:

     Do you think that there are things that are inherently wrong? Or is it all relative?

     Of course there are things that are inherently wrong. But I think they’re pretty few and far between. And there are degrees of right and wrong too. Saying that word on television, even in context, is wrong. But that doesn’t make it a big deal.

     If we’re going to get in a debate of right and wrong, save it for abortion, capital punishment, war, etc. The stakes are much higher and there are much more compelling arguments. This is as low-stake as you can get.

104. #104
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, cpodug said:

     Chapoutier, as loath as I am to bring up the past, here’s one of Hanoi Jane’s quotes:

     From a speech at Michigan State University in 1969:

     “I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists.”

     Sources:
     Moorej.org
     Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam

     There are more, but I get disgusted every time I think about it. You need to brush up on your history, or you’ll see it happen again.

105. #105
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

     Not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand, but it is silly.

     Bingo. There are silly people, cities, threads…

     You had a question for me and I had one for you. That was all. The common thread - they were both silly.

     I can no more get worked up about Jane saying the cu_t word (as you can tell in my post at #12) than I can about Cheney telling someone to get bent (I made fun of that too).

     Appreciate ya!

106. #106
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, cpodug said:

     Chaopoutier, lesson two: According to Hanoi Jane, this was the fault of the United States. We “instigated” it by our actions in Southeast Asia

107. #107
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:

     Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.

     (by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)

     So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?

108. #108
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

     cpodug,

     So, what you are saying is she can run for office in Mass.?

109. #109
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, cpodug said:

     As long as she stays there, I’m good with that

110. #110
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm, cpodug said:

     (Should have added) we have enough problems with our own homegrown moonbats out here on the left coast.

111. #111
     On February 14th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, granite said:

     #106 cpodug:

     I was in high school in the late 60s.

     I remember the argument being put forth in discussions on Vietnam in history class, and by national “experts”; that we were stuck in the middle of a civil war (sound familiar?), because we had inherited the problem from the French; that the conflict was nothing more than that.
     There may very well have been a component of that, but it was obvious to all, except for rocks and our American socialists/”progressives”/useful idiots, that the Communists, both the Russians and the Chinese, were happily trying to extend their influence in the world by establishing yet another Communist state; and took full advantage of our weakness of resolve that Jane Fonda and her ilk were only too eager to create and promote.

112. #112
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, granite said:

     #107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:

     “Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.

     (by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)

     So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”

     Patchthebun:
     The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
     You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
     It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
     In other words, they will never understand.

113. #113
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, granite said:

     #107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:

     “Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.

     (by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)

     So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”

     Patchthebun:
     The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
     You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
     It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
     In other words, they will never understand.

114. #114
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, granite said:

     #107 On February 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Patchthebun said:

     “Just trying to get an idea of where you’re coming from, Rusty.

     (by the way everyone, am I feeding the troll? Sorry if I am.)

     So is it all relative? Degrees of right and wrong, eh?”

     Patchthebun:
     The more such folks say, the more they prove my point about the unbridgable “worldview divide”.
     You will never convince them in an argument of right and wrong, or good and bad, because such things do not exist in their worldview.
     It is as if they use a language that superficially appears to be “English”, but that differs radically and completely in grammar, in syntax, in parts of speech, in definitions and connotations of words, and in figures of speech.
     In other words, they will never understand.

115. #115
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, granite said:

     Apologies for the triple play…sluggish, stubborn computer!

116. #116
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, cpodug said:

     granite said: I was in high school in the late 60s.

     If you want a quick and honest overview of the events that you heard about in high school, I strongly recommend “To Set The Record Straight” by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler.

     Or talk to just about any veteran from that era. I have friends on the Wall who might not be there if it wasn’t for Hanoi Jane and her cohorts.

117. #117
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, chapoutier said:

     Soap, just to clarify…my “silly” was referring to those that would try to arrest Bush or Cheney for war crimes. I was not calling your question to me silly. Just OT.

     I do think the Cheney example is at least a little OT. Two places (morning network TV, Senate floor) where such language is uncalled for.

118. #118
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, spidgy said:

     Not sure why there is so much nuance here. There is no context where the c-word, f-word or s-word should be spoken on American daytime television. Ever. ESPECIALLY on a mainstream network program.

     Where’s the FCC on this? Is Fonda (and those like her) immune to the rules? Viera (sp?) just sat there watching it happen. This is sad.

119. #119
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, granite said:

     #118 spidgy:

     Very likely just another example of the salami tactics employed by the left/secular “progressive” worldview.

     Not sure who coined the term “salami tactics”; but, I ran across it some years ago, and it made perfect sense…in the same way as the saying (?paraphrased?), “The cut loaf does not miss a slice.”

     And, in the same way as the “How to boil a frog” instructions say to NOT put the frog into a kettle of boiling water, because it will merely jump out; rather, put the frog into room temperature water, and then slowly increase the water temperature to boiling. Bt the time the frog senses something is wrong, it is too late.

     Hmmm…”by the time…it is too late” could be a metaphor for the left’s tactics of the past 40+ years. (I am by no means anywhere near the first to notice this and to point it out.)
     Can anyone imagine that such an utterance on national TV would not have been a career-killer back then, even in the dreadful 60s?

120. #120
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, navywife91 said:

     Can anyone imagine that such an utterance on national TV would not have been a career-killer back then, even in the dreadful 60s

     ?

     I wasn’t around then, but I can tell you that I’m increasingly disappointed about what’s on tv, radio, movies. I’m no fuddy duddy, but it’s pretty sad when you can’t turn on a morning tv show or radio show for fear that someone will be discussing something very inappropriate for kids.

121. #121
     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, purplepeep said:

     granite said:

     Not sure who coined the term “salami tactics”; but, I ran across it some years ago, and it made perfect sense…in the same way as the saying (?paraphrased?), “The cut loaf does not miss a slice.”

     Yup, the acceptance of foul “gansta” verbage - such as was topical hereabouts earlier - is another slice.

122. #122
     On February 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, granite said:

     #120 On February 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, navywife91 said:

     “Can anyone imagine that such an utterance on national TV would not have been a career-killer back then, even in the dreadful 60s
     ?

     I wasn’t around then, but I can tell you that I’m increasingly disappointed about what’s on tv, radio, movies. I’m no fuddy duddy, but it’s pretty sad when you can’t turn on a morning tv show or radio show for fear that someone will be discussing something very inappropriate for kids.”

     I agree with you.

     Our three kids are in their 20s now (and, yep, they grow fast! - one day they’re just getting out of diapers…then, when you turn around, they’re just getting out of high school…or college…or grad school!), and my wife and I don’t remember having to keep an eye on daytime, 7pm, 8pm, heck, even 10pm “offerings” to make sure they would not be exposed to stuff that was inappropriate for them.

     Your comments illustrate why I’ve said before that I am tired of hearing the “just live and let live” or “just change the channel” horse manure lines of the leftists/secularists.

     The fact is, they do NOT let us live.
     And, you can’t avoid the filth just by changing the channel.

     Your post correctly points that out.

     Our popular so-called “culture” is not a values-neutral, “tune-outtable” thing that is just harmlessly hanging around, just for those who seek it.

     It is, rather, an all-surrounding, pervasive sickness that permeates seemingly all of society, and that thrusts itself upon our kids (unless one lives under a rock, or in Antarctica away from a research station); and that not only fails to help us raise our kids, but actively fights against us.

     navywife91, stick to your guns.

123. #123
     On February 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, navywife91 said:

     It’s so nice to hear someone else thinks the “turn the channel/station” doesn’t apply to every situation.

     Granite
     I could have used you the other day. I had problems feeding the troll.

     navywife91, stick to your guns.

     I will, especially my Kimber .45.

124. #124
     On February 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

     On February 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, chapoutier said:
     Soap, just to clarify…my “silly” was referring to those that would try to arrest Bush or Cheney for war crimes. I was not calling your question to me silly. Just OT.

     I got that Chap. I thought I kinda made it clear - sorry.

     I do think the Cheney example is at least a little OT. Two places (morning network TV, Senate floor) where such language is uncalled for.

     100% agree. That being said, I could not get worked up about either one. I didn’t get worked up about Cheney shooting someone by accident. If you bird hunt for too long, you will get hit. I know, I have been hit, my son-in-law has been hit and so has his dad - just to name a few.

     Now, arresting our President or VP (Cheney being the link between your question and mine) on home soil, I can get worked up about that. Talk about making our enemies happy.

125. #125
     On February 14th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, Charles B. Simpson said:

     “Hanoi Jane”-still a communist acting slut!

126. #126
     On February 14th, 2008 at 9:11 pm, sausage said:

     And in more important news today - 6 Dead In N. Illinois University Massacre - but hey, the fact Fonda said the C word deserves more time on this site it seems… Funny news priorities for the far right in America.

127. #127
     On February 15th, 2008 at 1:26 am, fourstringfuror said:

     Nice try, sausage boy. Go back to your bridge.

128. #128
     On February 15th, 2008 at 2:52 am, RetFireman said:

     Wait…they let that on the air? That didn’t get bleeped or anything? She said that without even batting an eye!

     I don’t find many words offensive or gross simply because after all…they are just words, but that word in particular I find particularly repugnant. And I’m a guy.

     To have a gaggle of so-called “Feminists” sitting around on a morning TV talk show and to just blurp out that repugnant word while Jr. and Sissy are eating their Alpha Bits and getting ready for school is just beyond the pale.

     If they don’t get fined beyond recognition by the FCC then you know for sure that there most definately is bias when it comes to certain shows and subjects and hosts.

     This is low, even for the traitorous pig Fonda.

129. #129
     On February 15th, 2008 at 2:53 am, RetFireman said:

     Hey Snausage…that news is covered in another thread. Maybe if you got a glass navel you could see better considering how far upo yur a** your head is.

130. #130
     On February 15th, 2008 at 2:55 am, RetFireman said:

     Oh, and if you don’t like what is covered and discussed here, then don’t come here. I don’t recall anyone inviting you or asking you to come back.

     Anyone? Anyone at all remember asking his two cents worth?

     I didn’t think so.

     Go play at Kos. Better suited to your…um..tastes.

131. #131
     On February 15th, 2008 at 7:44 am, AlturaCt said:

     “Another reason not to let your children watch TV in the morning.”

     How about another reason to not let your children watch TV at all.

132. #132
     On February 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pm, chapoutier said:

     If you bird hunt for too long, you will get hit. I know, I have been hit, my son-in-law has been hit and so has his dad - just to name a few.

     Okay…. I guess I can cross bird hunting off the ol’ “Potential Hobbies” list.

     I guess that just leaves “Providing comfort to the enemy” and “Stealing the souls of our children.”

133. #133
     On February 15th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, AlohaGuy said:

     If you bird hunt for too long, you will get hit. I know, I have been hit, my son-in-law has been hit and so has his dad - just to name a few.

     You guys aren’t related to the Mayor of New Orleans are you?

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