The carnage in DeKalb; Update: Shooter identified
Update: The gunman has been id’d.
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Six are dead in that awful massacre at N. Illinois University:
A gunman opened fire on a geology class at Northern Illinois University Thursday afternoon, killing five people before killing himself on-stage in front of panicked students.
NIU President John Peters a total of 22 people were shot, including the gunman. Four people, including the gunman, died at the scene; two others died later at area hospitals.
Officials said the gunman opened fire in a lecture hall shortly after 3 p.m. and the campus was immediately placed on lockdown.
The shooting happened at a geology lecture class in Cole Hall. Officials said the gunman emerged from behind a screen at the front of the lecture hall and opened fire with a shotgun.
Police said the gunman, armed with a shotgun and two handguns, shot the professor and several students before killing himself onstage in front of the class.
Witnesses described the shooting as “a very brief rapid-fire assault that ended with the gunman taking his own life,” Peters said.
Allah’s keeping updates. Apparently, witnesses are reporting that the gunman was deliberately picking his targets.
And yes, per Instapundit and Bill Quick, the campus was a “gun-free zone.”
The incident will certainly revive debate over campus gun ban bills in Kentucky, Washington state, and Idaho. The bill in Idaho is pending:
Main sponsor Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, said most mass shootings have occurred in areas where guns are banned. If more people carried guns, they could stop mass murderers before they kill so many, he said.
“Should a person have less freedom and safety than anyone else simply because he or she attends college?” Brunner said.
Gov. Mike Rounds said he doesn’t object to the bill’s concept. He hasn’t read the bill, but understands the goal is to make it clear students can carry a gun on campus.
“In terms of putting restrictions on individuals carrying firearms, a criminal (or) someone with criminal intent isn’t going to listen to the law anyway,” he said. “The only individuals that are going to cause us problems are those who have evil intent to begin with, not individuals with good intent.”
A tragic truism borne out–again–today.
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If I understood some of the reporting on Fox earlier, there was actually some advance warning that something like this might happen. Didn’t I hear that a message was found in one of the campus bathrooms a short while back?
That being said, I know many here that are anti-gun… odd that none of them will put a “gun free zone” sign in front of their home.
If they did, that would be about like putting a sign out there for criminals that says “Pick me, please!“
There will time for the gun debate, but for now, I pray for the families of these students and their professor. May God give them comfort.
Our prayers to the victims, their families, and friends. We have been following this since it was reported this afternoon.
Here is the latest on the Idaho legislation with a big hat tip to BillH at http://freeinidaho.com/ , which I should add I found and am a regular reader of thanks to the efforts of Ms Malkin.
May God rest their Souls and comfort their families.
How horrible.
But, once again, the same old spiel will come around: BAN GUNS.
Guns did not fly into the classroom and shoot these people, or the people at malls, or the people at Virginia Tech, or the people at Columbine – or anywhere else.
Guns were misused by those who had no regard for life, limb, or law. A gun ban will not deter criminals from being…criminals. Ban guns, and they will go after their targets with knives, clubs, bats, bombs and any other weapon they can get their hands on. Look at the UK. They banned guns, crime rates still rose, and I believe now they are contemplating a ban on certain knives to deter the crime.
But if you look at crimes – or attempted crimes – in areas that do allow law-abiding citizens to carry weapons, there is a significant decrease in the number of victims (because someone offs the shooter) or the criminal doesn’t shoot at all.
But those who oppose guns have no time for pesky statistics, unless they’re inflating some…
My heart goes out to the campus, the students, and the families/friends of the victims. My prayers are with the souls of the departed. God have mercy on the sick individual who did this.
I don’t know if 150 armed and barely sober student is the best answer either.
More sheep lead to the slaughter in a “gun free” zone.
Here in Colorado, my state representative recently tried to introduce a bill that would allow holders of CCW’s the right to sue “gun free zones” if they or their loved ones were killed or injured in one by a maniac murderer.
Of course, the democrat majority did not even let it out of committee. Liberals are so, so compassionate, and considerate of life don’t ya know?
IMHO, these kinds of tragedies will continue to happen as long as the liberal fascists insist on disarming the good guys on school campuses.
EQ,
I agree. There does seem to be a strong correlation in reduced crime rates with areas where citizens can and do possess weapons.
The idea of banning weapons is a futile attempt by liberals. They only persons that abide by the laws not to have guns are law abiding citizens. Criminals aren’t really known for having a great deal of respect, let alone adherence to the laws on the books. But, a lot of politicians can’t seem to grasp that, for some reason.
Yeah, let’s not blame the shooter or anything.
It’s a mental defect in a politician’s brain, I suppose.
May God help the victims and their loved ones.
Mookie…. Two words: Jeanne Assam
We need more like her!!!
The shooter’s fault is not in question, I don’t think.
But, there is more culpability in play than just him, when our politicians put citizens at risk, because they are told they cannot legally be prepared to protect themselves from such tragedies.
On February 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm, Barry F. said:
Didn’t I hear that a message was found in one of the campus bathrooms a short while back?
From Northern Illinois University
I agree. But do you really think having 150 armed students in a classroom is a good idea? Imagine if some barely sober dumbass forgets to properly secure his weapon and it goes off in the middle of History 101. That kid won’t have to worry about finals.
GOD rest their souls. I pray peace for these families.
Duh-huh. How about us drunk stooped rednecks?
You sir/madam need to go away if you think that 150 students will all be intoxicated wielding a gun. Take your broad paint brush and go paint yourself in a corner of another blog.
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The answer is simple. If I were going to school today, I would go where I could carry. Gun free would make me not even stop in the parking lot.
It was hyperbole. Take your sensitive pants off.
And liberals always think that normal, law-abiding people are going to just get into gunfights if you let them bring weapons. What ends up happening is the normal folks are sitting ducks while the criminals and psychopaths bring the guns anyway.
Okay – now it is 150 students in a classroom. That will happen. I carry into public places and guess what – not everyone in the places I go is packing.
Stop with the everyone will pack. If two persons per calssroom carry, there will be less desire for a shooter to want to figure out who they are and what caliber they are packing.
I think the odds are a lot more in favor of some idiot walking on “gun free” campuses and using unarmed students for target practice, given the rate of the occurrences now, than one possible drunk student not having his weapon holstered with a safety on.
It makes students nothing more than fish in a barrel for one of these lunatics to walk in and open fire.
From recent examples in the news, if a person is determined to kill someone, if they don’t use a gun they will use things like meat cleavers to accomplish their end.
In both cases the victim ends up dead, but I would have to believe the slower death of being hacked apart must inflict more known pain to the victim.
And this is what gun control people would force onto future victims. Yet they are the same group who in another breath don’t want capital punishment to be carried out without painless executions.
Bit of a disconnect there.
My the Lord comfort the families and friends of all the victims at the hands of another senseless killer.
I see. Hyperbole for thee and not for me. How about you stop with the hyperbole during a time like this and give your condolences to the families – which you have not done yet.
I agree with you 100%. What I was commenting on is the reaction we’re already hearing from people who think every single college kid should be carrying. I think at the very least, teachers and assistants should be allowed to carry.
You don’t need 150 armed students in a classroom to deter shooters. If potential shooters think anyone in the room might be armed, there will be a deterrent effect.
As a licensed “conceal carry” holder, with a 38 in my purse, I have to say I believe incidents like this one would not happen with Texas laws. If y’all remember that many folks were killed at a Luby’s Restaurant in 1995, and as a result, a new law was instituted in Texas.
Interestingly (ahem) such incidents have fallen to zero in Texas…except in gun-free or gang-infested zones, and those gun toting slugs came across an unguarded and unfenced border.
Here’s a logic question for you, “If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?” Duh!
To stoop to another obvious truism, the best defense is a good offense.
Yeah, because the conversation about gun control hadn’t already started until I got here. Try by the third post.
And you would know I haven’t given my condolences to the families how? Because I didn’t post it on a blog?
I don’t think anyone is saying students “should be carrying” guns. They should just have the option, if they so choose for their own protection.
Now, were I a student in a classroom knowing that a professor like Ward Churchill was packing heat (that’s a really scary thought), I would dang sure want to have my own for protection.
You are the ONLY person who has suggested that all students would be armed.
1927, May 18th: IED kills 45, wounds 58 in Elementary School.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Madmen are madmen, with gun or without.
I’m throwing the red challenge flag on that comment. No one on this site has come close to suggesting “every single college kid should be carrying.”
Fifteen yards for unsportsmanlike posting. Loss of down.
Agreed, Tiger. These folks that do these aren’t known for being overly brave individuals. If they wanted to vent their frustrations, they could go in an call them out for a fight. Instead, they go in with plans to shoot defenseless people. If they thought someone in there might shoot back at them, I’m pretty sure they might not only think twice but not even try it.
That may not be the reaction here but it is on other websites.
The idea of sitting in a class taught by an armed Prof. Churchill is frightening. Talk about every man/woman for themselves.
Hey Hall Monitor, check out some of the other conservative blogs. Free Republic would be a good place to start.
Barry F:
Call me Slow Fingers. When Mookie suggested arming the faculty, the first (and scariest) image that popped into my head was Ward Churchill.
Illinois, and for that matter, Chicago, is one of most stubbornly “anti-gun” (read: anti-2nd Amendment) areas of the nation. While this is indeed a tragedy, it can also serve to remind us why an armed population can often help prevent, or at least lessen the impact of, occurrences such as these. May God look over those injured by this lost soul.
“Fake indian wannabe shoot pale-faced conservative for disagreeing with him.”
Not me. I would be packin’ some heat, just in case.
And there are thousands more blogs and people posting who are giving condolences (you are not being counted as one). So, why don’t YOU leave and go to a blog where we don’t have to put up with your nonsense any longer.
When incidents like this happen in “gun free zones”, why doesn’t that render the debate moot? GFZs obviously don’t make a damn bit of difference.
By the way, Tiger, you need to flip back over and let me know what you think of my response on another thread.
Remind me again…when did this become your website?
Put this in your pocket son and, have a great day in class.
P3AT
I hate to leave everyone now but it is past my self-imposed bed time.
Good night everyone.
And, in all seriousness, remember to keep the students and their families from DeKalb in your thoughts and prayers.
Or this one.
Personal favorite.
Barry F:
Witty, but the acronym came out as LEPEP (or Le Pep?), not LEPER.
Off to bed. ‘Night all.
Mookie,
As I recall, you asked me to leave first. You stated tat people are suggesting all students need to be armed. You suggested that all kids packing would be drunk or shoot the drunk who came to class and had an accidental discharge.
You still have NOT given the families a – sorry for your loss or any other condolence. As some of us see it, you are here to make trouble. None of us would miss you.
When did that happen?
If you’re referring to when I suggested checking out other conservative blogs, I meant for the comments about all students being armed. Not for you to go there instead of here.
Are the other people who have posted here without mentioning condolences for the families on your sh*tlist as well? The idea that I need to post what is obvious is ridiculous. Who doesn’t grieve for these families right now?
Here’s the thing Mookie, We are on THIS blog and not on a thousand other blogs. So maybe you should keep your points relevant to this blog. I doubt that you will, as the only times I see you comment are to cause disruption. You are obvious and transparent in your motives.
Example?
Any please tell me how agreeing that students should be allowed to protect themselves is causing a disruption.
Mookie, I choose not to play this game.
What a surprise.
Agreed.
What the hell am I missing here? I agree that students should be able to protect themselves. I never said anything otherwise. Yes, I used hyperbole with the example of 150 kids but we all know that college kids aren’t always the world’s most responsible people. One look at Myspace can tell you that. So yes, the idea of dozens of armed students in a lecture hall is a little scary to me but never once did I say it shouldn’t be allowed. I’m a steadfast supporter of the second amendment and think the timing of this incident sucks given the debate going on in Washington right now. So if someone could please explain how that makes me a troublemaker, I’d greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
I will.
The 150 drunken college straw men.
We don’t like straw men arguments about guns. That’s what they do.
So it raises hackles instantly.
and “Mookie” sounds silly.
Oh, and the timing of senseless massacres is almost always inconvenient.
I’m just sayin’.
Again, if guns are outlawed, the only people who will have guns are outlaws.
You’re right. I should have phrased what I meant better. This will be used as fodder by the anti-gun nuts in the D.C. handgun ban debate in a couple of weeks. That’s what I was trying to say.
As far as “Mookie” sounding silly, I’ll pass that along to Mr. Wilson.
The method of choice used to conceal weapons seems to be a black trench coat. Maybe they should try banning black trench coats from campus instead of guns. They might have better luck spotting these nuts sooner.
This is a reality. I know a college student that uses this very pistol. If it stays concealed as the P3AT does so easily, then the professor or other students don’t have a clue. It will be there when and if he needs it….even when class is in session.
Ten days ago five women were assasinated in my local strip mall while shopping for clothes. This afternoon, five students were assasinated in their classroom in a local university. We live in Illinois – home of Obama and Jesse Jackson’s gun control fanatics. At 3PM today, as chilren’s bodies were being carried out of school in black bags, I decided “screw ‘em”. The criminals have guns and the penalty for me carrying in a city that prohibits handgun ownership (Chicago) and a state that prohibits concealed carry (Illinois) is FAR LESS than the penalty for not carrying, i.e. DEATH, as has been proven in my very own town twice in ten days. I’ll arm myself and arm my kids. I’ll pay for a lawyer before I pay for a funeral.
Soap box, any peening issues?
Just got back from class (CA CC) -read #9 –was going to answer to it (the drunk student part) looks like others have beat me to it.
Never have I noticed a single “young person” drunk in class. I am surrounded by serious “young people” who have a great desire to achieve and advance with their art &/or music talents.
I call them “young people” because most are younger than I.
I actually admire them because I find that they are more generous than I or my fellow students were when I was working toward my first degree at a Mich. University —YEARS ago!
Look, all of you guys are missing a few very pertinent points.
1) Illinois is not a “shall issue” state.
It will be the last state not allowing that.
2) Except for a loophole (they can have a CCW permit, but cannot purchase a handgun to use for it) in Indiana’s laws, every other state does not allow concealed carry permits to be issued to persons under 21. That means not allowing for % willing to carry that burden, (pun intended) at least half of every campus population is ineligible to carry firearms. Wanted to, willing to, or not.
And a large number of the shootings seem to be against freshman or sophomore classes where few # of >21 are available to even potentially have the legal right to carry an implement to shoot back.
By the time the students have reached 21, many(not all by any means) of them have matured a bit.
Many of the arguments here are pointed wrongly.
It will soon get to the point where one is safer in Bagdad, than in our own schools. I know in D.C., that’s true. It isn’t the guns or other weapons at issue here, it’s culture and society. We’ve changed so much over the years, to a nice liberal, “touchy-feely” society, where anything goes, that we now have combat zones in our own schools. Terrorists don’t need to come here; we doing it okay by ourselves. The same ones who encouraged the problems are now giving the speeches on how they’re going to fix it all, through more government programs and entitlements.
People have forgotten that up to the very early sixties in the South and Midwest in many schools it was permissible for even junior high kids to bring and keep hunting rifles in their lockers for skeet shooting or game hunting later on with dad or a group. There were a heck far more firearms in schools then than now but you just didn’t hear much of even accidental discharges much less massacres. That’s definitely a social attitude problem, not a gun ban issue.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
jhn1 (#68) brought out a good point to answer Mookie in #9 and 19–that the only people carrying would be 21 or over.
The discussion that I recall in Virginia regarding to make universities and colleges no longer gun free zones would only allow those who were were concealed carry permit holders to carry. 21 or over, criminal check, basic pistol class or in some counties military training all speak of a reasonable citizen and student.
And may we-collectively please stop baiting each other and saying who is welcome here or not. That may be fine for other sites, but we-all usually do much better than that, which helps make this site worth reading and contributing to.
Anyone else here perturbed that the MSM saying there were six “victims?” By my count, there were five victims and one murderer who saved the local government the cost of a trial.
Here in Oregon we can carry concealed on the campus of any public school. It’s also fairly easy to get a concealed carry permit here since we’re shall-issue, the sheriff issues you a permit in 45 days unless you don’t pass a background check or have a record. So according to the logic of the gun grabbers, Oregon should have a problem with shootings on campus because permits are easy to get and concealed carry on campus of public schools is allowed. Guess what, no problems!
You know, I hate it when people suggest that permit holders are like some kind of hollywood wild west wackjob, drunk and shooting into the air constantly or having ‘duels’ that basically never existed in the west.
Go look at the statistics. CCW permit holders are one of the MOST law abiding groups in this nation. Far more than the average citizen. This means that for a permit holder to commit a crime, ANY crime is quite rare. And if you look at the stats on actual shootings involving permit holders, you will find that they shoot less times, hit the actual target more and do NOT hit as many innocent people as the cops do.
You can be sure that any incident involving a permit holder hitting innocent targets would make national news, and yet I am not sure I’ve ever seen a single news story. I’m sure there are a few incidents, but no where near as many as cops hitting civilians or even sending SWAT teams into the wrong house.
I support our local, state and federal law enforcement, but they are NOT the first line of defense against wackjobs and criminals. They are the last.
To paraphrase Robert Heinlein, being a good citizen isn’t about your rights. It’s about your responsibilities to yourself, to your fellow citizens and to your country.
Chocolate Ray says Bring it on!
Who didn’t blame the shooter? He’s culpable.
It’s the liberal politicians and other various and sundry gun banners who don’t blame the shooter – they blame the gun. As if someone unhinged or evil enough to shoot up a classroom would magically not commit the crime if guns were illegal. Here’s a hint: the penalty for carrying a gun is far less severe than 6-plus counts of first-degree homicide. To say a criminal won’t commit a crime if guns are banned is being penny wise and dollar foolish.
By the very definition of the group, criminals are criminals because they have no respect for any law.
Yet, time and again, liberal politicians and gun banners scream that if guns were illegal this wouldn’t happen.
Yes. It. Would.
They cannot grasp, for whatever reason, that guns are merely tools. As are knives, clubs/bats, and even cars. In the hands of those who respect the law, those tools are useful. Those who ignore the laws abuse those tools.
As I said above, look at statistics from the UK. They banned guns, and crime still increased. Now they’re considering banning knives (I believe) because criminals have turned to them (and are still using guns!). At the same time, since Florida enacted it’s gun permit laws, crime has decrease.
I can’t take the time to find them right now, but there is an analysis out there of the deaths caused by shooters in “gun-free” zones and deaths in areas where people can carry weapons. Rather than having 6, 7, 8 (or more) victims, in areas where people can defend themselves, a law-abiding citizen often takes down or deters the shooter and saves lives.
This campus, like Virginia Tech, and the two malls recently the scene of violence, were all gun-free zones.
Therefore, in essence, they are microcosms of what liberal politicians and gun banners want on a national (or global) scale.
So you have the innocents – the students, the shoppers – who respect and abide by that law and someone, knowing full well it will be X minutes before armed law enforcement shows up, has a school or store full of defenseless targets that he can kill unabated until an armed individual shows up.
Banning guns in public would do the same thing. Here in Wisconsin, we have laws prohibiting individuals from carrying weapons. It doesn’t deter our crime, especially crimes involving handguns. The most reported being the recent shooting of a Miller Brewing Executive who gave the thug his wallet and was still shot in the neck and killed outside a bar.
An unarmed populace poses no threat to a corrupt government, either. Taking away guns is the practice Hitler, and other totalitarian dictators, believe in to keep people obedient under their oppressive regimes.
chalk up another 6 to the liberals. . .
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
On February 15th, 2008 at 2:04 am, jhn1 said:
…every other state does not allow concealed carry permits to be issued to persons under 21. …
That’s not necessarily true. In Texas code, “GC 411.172 Eligibility…
(g) Notwithstanding Subsection (a)(2), a person who is at least 18 years of age but not yet 21 years of age is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
(1) is a member or veteran of the US armed forces, including a member or veteran of the reserves or national guard;
(2) was discharged under honorable conditions, if discharged from the US armed forces, reserves or national guard;…”
So it is possible for someone under 21 to carry.
… just my two cents.
First my condolences for the families of the students at NIU who were killed yesterday……
GSP
I followed this over on Free Republic too and one commenter has a son going to NIU and was frantic until she was able to contact him. She was relieved when she discovered he was safe and not at the school during the shootings. He is a US Marine with two tours in Iraq and one tour in Afghanistan and she was deathly afraid he was a victim of this senseless act of violence. This is the type of individual I would want to have a CCW considering after his 4 year tour on active duty he is more than likely over 21 years old and as a combat veteran probably a pretty good shot too.
There are a lot of veterans on college campuses using their GI Bill benefits and to deny these sheepdogs the legal ability to defend themselves and the rest of the herd is irresponsible opening these organizations to litigation for wrongful death suits by forcing all students into a free fire zone. I just hope this tragic incident allows our Governor Butch Otter to rethink his position on having our state legislatures redraft their attempt at allowing college students CCW on campus.
dm, I’m very close to that location also. I’d like to hear what our worthless Senators have to say about these tragedies. Oh wait…one’s too busy campaigning and the other is too busy trying to shut down the Semper Fi Bill.
Since the state of Illinois requires anyone that wants to purchase a gun or ammunition to have a FOID (Firearms Owner Identification) Card-did the shooter have one?
I bring this up in contrasting the two college shootings of NIU and VT.
Because the VT shooter had gone through all the required procedures, bought his guns at over a several month period of time, and his mental health emergency did not rise to the level that mandatory committment was nececcsary (if it did-he wouldn’t have been able to purchase a gun). In short-all the gun ban schemes didn’t stop the VT shooter.
If the NIU shooter had a FOID card; then the process didn’t stop him, if he didn’t have a FOID card-then no law was an effective deterrant for him and the shooting was going to happen anyway.
I agree with the point of view of “Gun Free Zones” and would expand it further that anyone who is injured, raped, or violently assualted (eg mulitple attacker on one) should be able to sue the school or business for depriving them of the means to defend themselves and their families.
As a disabled veteran, I already have a hard enough time getting around, but if I had to defend against an attacker 20-30 years younger than me without the benefit of my gun-then its very possible I am going to get seriously hurt or die by their attack.
GSP
I can’t understand these shootings in large groups. Last time I checked humans have a fight or flight instinct that’s pretty much hard wired.
Say there’s 150 people, or 15, do all of them just freeze and wait their turn?
Do all of them flee?
I have to believe that 5 people rushing the guy would end it. Everyone says that after 9-11 you can’t take over a plane becuase the passengers will fight back. Where’s that discussion in schools? I hear they issue lock down orders. Sit still and wait?
This is horrible, but serious discussion, by educated parents I hope, is due. Fight like hell or run like a rabbit. Don’t sit still.
Boomer, if the kid was a Marine, he is a good shot!
Your point is well made.
The libs are ignoring the fact that a person with a CCW, who was also trained in shooting firearms, did stop a “massacre” only a few weeks ago i Colorado.
wescam, our kids are being turned into sheep by liberal indoctrination at school. They have no idea what fighting back even is, because it’s drilled into them from pre-school “not to”.
Better to be a docile “victim”, than an “empowered fighter”….
Unless of course, the other person is a conservative, then it’s ok to hit “them”. They deserve for thinking differently.
As somebody who went to college in Illinois in the 60s I am shocked. Have we sunk this low. I can’t imagine this happening then. These kids were sitting ducks. From what I understand the police got there quickly, but just not quick enough. Unlike Columbine, they actually went into the building after the killer, who by then had shot himself. The colleges need to protect their students with armed guards in every building. Right now their is no first line of defense. OTHERWISE the kids will have to protect themselves.
You are so right. Two years ago as I was in orientation as a substitute teacher in North Carolina, I was lectured by a policeman on the proper procedure when a gun man is in the hall. He said to lock the door and hide behind the front desk and stay in the room till one hears the all clear. I asked him what would we do then if the guy brings a can of gasoline, pours it under the door and sets the room on fire. Do we and the whole school just burn to death? Needless to say he was pissed by my question. These guys don’t think this stuff through, and the culprits unfortunately do.
Whether we like it or not, America, it’s time that we sit down and have a serious conversation about guns. The second amendment allows us to own guns and that shouldn’t have to change. With the protection of the second amendment, however, we MUST insist on background checks and on waiting periods and on buying limits and on registration requirements. Our side looks INSANE when in response to yet another shooting our only responses are “the answer is MORE guns” and “liberals are trying to take our guns away.”
We’ve really got a lot of work to do on the right.
But that’s the solution. This morning, on a local radio station, they talked to the mother of a student at NIU. Her son was in a biology lab, and they locked down the classroom and hid behind tables and desks.
Even when I was in high school, after Columbine, the policy was to hide in a locked room. Not run, not fight back.
We’re told – time and again – that if we just cooperate with criminals, if we just wait for police to protect us, things will be okay.
Not true.
We have a right – both Constitutional and natural law – to defend ourselves and the lives of others against violent aggressors.
Running toward them will not help. A gun – especially an automatic weapon – can fell a charging group of people faster than they can subdue the shooter.
Well, what’s it going to come down to? Basic weapons training for 8th graders as a prerequisite for high school and college? Maybe we need to form a “code purple.” “Bring our kids home NOW!” “No blood for books!” Our schools have become combat zones…with gunshots becoming the usual. D.C. schools are famous for the after-class gunshots. In 9th grade, I had a gun, and my friends had guns. No big deal. We went hunting. Kids see, at a very young age, that violence solves problems. Violence are thrown at them all childhood, in tv, news, and games. No wonder they shoot each other. It’s like “grandtheft auto” to them.
Gun control advocates have been been claiming that people should be restricted to only buying one firearm once a month. The problem with buying limits is that a determine thug is going to find a way around it. The buying restriction didn’t work for the VT shooter.
Anyone purchasing a firearm already goes through a background check-so that arguement won’t work.
Waiting periods haven’t worked and puts a law abiding citizen at risk if they have to wait to purchase a firearm. If this sounds insane-just ask anyone who has filed a restraining order against an abusive ex-spouse/boy friend/girl friend and tell them they have to wait to get the means to defend themselves.
The restraining orders aren’t worth the paper their printed on, especially when a person is counting on it to keep a lunatic at bay who is fully intending on letting nothing stop them.
If the person passes the instant background check, then they should be able to purchase the gun and go on their business.
Clash point: So how many laws do we need to ensure a societies safety when a thug (civilian or politician)? Better yet-how about enforcing the laws on the books.
GSP
OKAY.
What do you do about the people who kill? Make them do right?
If you make 1000 gun laws, the person who wants to do this kind of thing will just violate 1001 laws. Oh, if we just ahd that one more law, it would have made a difference and this guy would not have done this terrible thing. No! He would have violated 1002 laws.
Until you can legislate people’s behavior to include “you must obey every law”, making more gun laws will never help.
My two cents. Take it – leave it I don’t give a carp. Just leave my gun(s) alone.
The shooter in this case evidently went off his medication a few weeks ago and his behavior had become “erratic”, according to people who knew him at his new school.
God Bless all of the student’s involved.
I’ve been trained to kill someone with what ever is in reach, even a pencil so maybe we should outlaw pencils too but then I would’nt be able to write my grocery list out so I’d starve.
I was in Texas when the conceal and carry law went into effect, every night on the news I heard of some carjacker, robber or burgalar getting his a$$ shot by a law abiding citizen, I thought right then this is a good law and Missouri needs to pass it, eventually they did but many liberal counties tried to hold up registration. The law works because criminals don’t have any idea whose carrying and who is not.
who is carrying
I don’t give a damn if you libs like guns or not. I will carry everywhere and anywhere I choose to, you can take your gun laws. All of my family shoots and all of my family will carry, there are no sheep here.
I agree. Also, I wonder about the impact of non-stop anti-American, socialist propaganda on these liberal campuses (America is imperialistic, killed all Indians, had slaves, is racist, is warmongering, etc–all the normal BS that is constantly given to students). For someone unstable, like Cho Seung-hui and this gunman, it could incite violence against Americans.
I have an idea that should put and end to this debate forever.
Let’s make killing people illegal!
That should do it. Oh, wait…
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