I am a dinosaur according the younger generation but let me tell you a story about a guy that grew up in the 1960′s, me.

I used to come home from jr high school and get my .22 rifle out of a locked gun cabinet and go target shooting after school all the time. I would walk down the street with my friends with the rifle slung over my shoulder and they with theirs, to go down the block to old avocado orchid.

We would setup some cans or other targets on old dirt ditch used for irrigation as a back stop and practice our shooting.

Guess what, this was in the suburbs of Los Angeles in the 1960′s and none of my neighbors called the police and nobody thought there was anything wrong with 4 kids target shooting after school.

Today, I would be willing to bet that the police would be called out with SWAT teams, a helicopter of course, and about 10 media trucks would show up to cover the deranged kids who had the audacity to take part in the second amendment, a constitutionally protected right by the way.

My point is that we are losing our Constitutionally protected Freedoms one by one.

The last time I checked, we have not abolished the 2nd Amendment but there are now over 20,000 regulations or laws on the books that are infringing our right to keep and bear arms.

Every single one of them are unconstitutional and the DC gun case proves that they are unconstitutional.

I fear the Supreme Court, like in so many other cases in the past, will rule with DC on the recent gun case and further erode the 2nd amendment.
The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the 2nd amendment.The founding fathers were well aware that an armed society is a polite society.
It is a God given right, not some right that needs 20,000 rules and regulations to explain to us what it means.

It was about the right to defend one self and protect against any future tyranny of Government.

Do any of you older folks, say over 40, relate to what I am talking about?

Guns are just used to threaten or kill – what kind of society promotes that as a right?

What kind of narrow-minded thinking is that? How proud your parents must be to have raised someone who can’t think rationally or sanely.

To think that those are the only things guns are good for shows a mond that is simplistic at best. It shows you to be someone who thinks if we were to just get rid of all our weapons and military, then there would be no more problems in the world.

See, the problem is, knucklehead…the rest of the world does not think as simplistically as you do. Why, the people on your street don’t even think as simplistically as you do. So what is better? Is a baseball bat better? How about a knife? What about a stick? A rock? A club?

In the REAL world, not in the Liberal utopia of your mind, there are things that we like to call BAD PEOPLE. Those bad people want to do things like hurt you, take your things, destroy this country, rape and kill your sister, your mom, your daughters. they want to invade your country, chop your head off, torture you in the name of their religion. they want to place you in death camps, burn you alive in ovens. The want to do all manner of horrible, unmentionable things…that don’t even require guns. It is something called HUMAN NATURE. No amount of Liberal Kumbaya hand-holding and singing will ever rid the world of it. Thus, the gun was invented to protect people from such creatures. It makes it possible to do away with them from a safe enough distance so that they do not get close enough to kill you with any number of other weapons.

My best friend was murdered just under a year ago with a knife. Not a gun. A knife. I do not see any of you Liberals out there jumping up and down trying to put waiting periods and bans on cutlery. What did he do? Nothing. He was asleep in his bed. He was in his own home, at night, asleep. bothering no one. He had no enemies, owed no one anything. A BAD PERSON came in, broke into his home and stabbed him in the back twice, killing him while he slept.

See, those are the bad people that guns are meant to remove from society. those are the people you fail to admit exist in this world. There are millions of them. All over the planet, right now, live millions and millions of bad people who want to do nothing more than to kill you, take your things and rape your women. however, you are just too stupid, too gosh darn stupid to even acknowledge that they need to be removed from the gene pool all together.

no amount of hugs, no amount of Bono lead “Concerts for Peace”, no telethons, no food drives, no record deals, no nothing else known to this planet will rid the world of them save for one thing. taking guns and shooting them as many times as possible until every last one of these millions of bad people no longer breathe the air of this planet and are put six feet into the ground.

So take your ignorant, stupid, uneducated, Liberal goody-goody peace and love nonsense from our make-believe Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood Wonderland Dreamworld and put it where it will do the most good…back into the hooka that it came from when you smoked it because the rest of us that live in reality will keep our weapons, will keep our guns and use them for what their original purpose was intended for…

To protect our families, our women, our homes, our countries and ourselves from those BAD PEOPLE by removing each and every one of them from the gene pool whenever and where ever we can and they need to be. And you, and all your little hooka smoking Liberal friends will thank whatever pagan whatever that there are those of us that live in reality that will save your stupid butts when the time comes and allow you to continue to preach your idiocy…and you won’t even realize that your butts were saved.

On February 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, sausage said:

Guns are just used to threaten or kill – what kind of society promotes that as a right?

Ummm, The United States of America, which thankfully has something known as the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

Guns are used by a law-abiding free citizenry to protect themselves from criminals and government tyranny. Exactly the kind of society I want to live in.

Your assessment of the situation is ignorant and infantile, just the way our liberal overlords want us all to think. No thanks.

I will take the court costs of having a weapon that I am not supposed to carry and killing the bad guy over wishing I had the tool I needed but is at home any day.

It is a small price to pay for my and my fellow man’s lives. When the Government fails the people, it is the people’s right to take matters into their own hands to provide for their own safety.

When a guy broke into my apartment he was met by a stark nekid me pointing a .44 mag blackhawk at his head. He almost fell off the third floor balcony trying to get away. Nothing says go away like a .44 pointed at ones head.

I was talking with same Professor one day about the VT shooting. We both agreed that the first time one is fired upon it can be terrifying, after that it just pisses one off.

People do freeze when they are shot at for whatever reason. I watched an excellent program put on by a Phoenix Police detective. He said one of the most dangerous things one could do in an office shooting is hide. He suggested at the first sound of gunfire run away. If in an office with a window on the first or second story break out the window with the chair and RUN. He had studied many school and office shootings and one thing was clear, staying and hiding meant certain death for a percent of the people hiding.

Basic weapons training for 8th graders as a prerequisite for high school and college?

My first basic weapons training was when I was eight years old. Waiting until 8th grade is too long. By that time I had at least three separate weapons classes.

And sausage,

I am learning spanish for financial reasons, someone has to treat the illegals under the table for cash to get back their tax dollars

This just proves that these checks prove nothing. Anyone can purchase a weapon at anytime. just because you have a clean background today does not mean you aren’t going to flip your cookies at some later time, which means the Brady Bill pretty much is pointless, knee-jerk reactionary blather.

Sure, he used a gun. Yes, it was a horrible tragedy, but would it have been any less a tragedy had he used any other means of destruction to kill these students? Why should this be about the weapon used? He could have just as easily used an explosive device, attacked with a machette as they do in other countries, or any other method. The fact that he used guns is moot.

The thing is, had other students been carrying weapons…pistols and such, this would have been over before it even began, with maybe the only death being that of the freak-show that started it. It is a two way street. I am a perfectly law abiding citizen who owns several firearms both big and small. Why should I have my weapons revoked or limited due to some freak-show’s inability to deal with the world? If I were allowed to carry my pistol here in California, I would be better able to prevent any crime that I might be involved in, a bank robbery, a public shooting such as this, than just becoming another victim.

It is time that Liberals admit this to themselves. Until they do, the only ones they are fooling is themselves.

Doctors:

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

And people are still praising our medical system.

Wouldn’t you throw something, anything? If even 3 or 4 people did that while rushing the creep, wouldn’t you think 150 people could stop one gunman, who had only semi-automatic weapons?

Not when they’ve been raised in a culture that doesn’t promote self-defense. I’m 25, so I’m guessing many (if not all) of the students in that lecture hall were taught the same thing I was in public school: lock doors, shut blinds, sit on the floor and hope the shooter doesn’t get you.

I was a sophomore when Columbine happened. My homeroom teacher had to walk us through a lockdown drill once. My high school was originally an “open concept” school, so some classrooms didn’t have doors and had shoddy walls – she (who was very pregnant at the time) had to lead us out into the hall to “distract” the shooter while we went to a room with a door. She also walked us through how to escape the cafeteria and library. Even at the age of 15, I thought something was seriously wrong with that situation.

We had *one* “police liason” on a part-time basis and a “security guard” who was really a retired man in a bright yellow coat. Real safe, right?

It was emphasized that we not fight back and not run away if we were in an area that could be locked down.

And the guy had a gun. When you have to engage a shooter in a face-to-face situation (rather than sneaking up behind him), it’s terrifying.

All it would have taken was a few seconds for an armed student to pull his weapon, aim, and end the carnage with a bullet.

On February 15th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, englishqueen01 said:
I’d take an licensed, armed classmate over hiding behind a desk any day.

EQ – LOL

I was just going to ask dum-dum which he would prefer: Cowering down hoping that the gunman would kill people in the other direction so he could run or be standing next to Soap as he puts 6 in a perp.

On February 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, sausage said:

Apples and oranges comparison.

Looks like a valid comparison to me. Comes down to similar culprits, lawbreakers, in both instances taking human life through their disregard/violation of established law. You want to take the weapon used by one (i.e. the guns) away law-abiding citizens but not the weapon (i.e. the one ton automobile) from the others. Double-standard? Both have the potential to be deadly weapons, when misused.

Guns are just used to threaten or kill – what kind of society promotes that as a right?

Try protect and defend. And, that would not be a society of victims.

I grieve for the dead and wounded, not counting the gunman. But does it not strike anyone as odd that one gunman could fire that many times at that many people, apprently without anyone fighting back? Wouldn’t you throw something, anything? If even 3 or 4 people did that while rushing the creep, wouldn’t you think 150 people could stop one gunman, who had only semi-automatic weapons?

Before any trolls start criticizing me for asking politically-incorrect questions, I know how I react in emergency situations including being fired upon. I know one thing – I’m not a sheep and I don’t react as one.

I just wish someone else had been armed – this could have been stopped.

I do hope you are learning to speak Spanish On-my-soap-box, you will be needing it in a few years time

Creole. No need for spanish where we are going.