The Romney endorsement: “That’s like oil endorsing vinegar;” McCain: “Now we move forward;” Update: Huck – “I may get beat, but I’m not one to quit”
Waiting for the Romney endorsement of McCain. Shep Smith on Fox quips: “That’s like oil endorsing vinegar.”
Romney – oil.
McCain – vinegar.
What does that make Huckabee?
Stand by for the liveblog…
Romney: I am honored to give my support to John McCain…I’m officially endorsing his candidacy…asking his delegates to vote for him…In the thick of the fight, it’s easy to lose sight of your opponents’ finer qualities. But the truth of the matter is, I could never quite do that…The caliber of the man was apparent. Sen. McCain understands the war we’re in, the necessity of victory, and the consequences of surrender. For him, natl security is not just another agenda item. It is the abiding concern and responsibility of the nation…This is a man who has served and suffered for his country…
McCain’s statement: I thank Gov Romney for his endorsement. More than that, I thank him for the hard, intensive, fine, honorable campaign he ran for the nomination of our party. And I think it is also extremely important to me that I not only have his endorsement, but that we join together and travel together not only for my candidacy, but…all the other races…I’m grateful for the fact that Gov. Romney has served the state of Mass…and ran a campaign that made me become a better candidate…
Just noting: McCain looks so much more uncomfortable than Romney does…Gov. Romney, thank you…Now we move forward.
Reporter question to Romney: Are you saying all the other differences are “papered over.”
MR: I still have my views. He still has his…But as a party, we come together. What I said at CPAC a week ago was that we have to focus on where we have common ground…let’s make progress while Democrats are fighting…issue that matters most right now–global jihad–that is an issue where McCain see eye to eye…no question in my mind: this individual should be president of the United States, not Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton….
Update: Huckabee on the phone with Neil Cavuto…”It’s one of those things we could all expect…I may get beat, but I’m not one to quit.” Assails “smoky, cigar-filled backrooms.”
“Right now, if I walk off the stage, people in Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Vermont…insult to those people.”
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Oil & vinegar make basic salad dressing. Oil & water is the better comparison.
I’m over this. I hope McCain wins.
Well, vinegar can add some much needed flavor to the oil…
Either way, Republicans will get doused with the combo, even if we’d rather have both on the side.
I’m utterly dismayed. I thought Romney would at least hold out for awhile or just not say anything.
More like PAIN endorsing SUFFERING …amirite? :/
If you didn’t see this one coming, you really have no business voting.
If Romney really wants to do what he said in his speech – prevent a long drawn out battle for the Republican nomination, which would benefit the Democrats – who else could he endorse?
Hungry?
Go Mitt!!! Did the right thing.
The salad?
OT/ Is that pic on Drudge of CHelsea photo shopped?
Romney is the bigger man, for sure. Cannot immagine McCain or Huckster for that matter doing the same. Still won’t vote for McCain, he continues, thru surrogates, to inslut and bully conservatives.
I meant insult, sorry.
Did anyone ever think one CFR brother wouldn’t endorse another? We haven’t got a chance—Hillary, Obama, Romney, McCain—a CFR “give US sovereignty away elitist” will be the next president. Elections are no longer the vote of the people—their outcomes are controlled by elitists like CFR, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderbergers. How sad.
Michelle, what can we do?
Really folks, Obama and Clinton are FAR WORSE choices for America so why doesn’t everyone clear their systems and listen to what the remaining candidates have to say…The bleating must end soon!
Huckabee? I know ….
I have an idea. I want to say it but I can’t. (First thing I thought of was a very old SNL Skit with garrett morris introducing gilda radner and buck henry at the salisbury manor, 1730.)
If Mitt and McCain are “oil and vinegar,” which, as already mentioned is a good salad dressing, that makes Huck a crouton.
Crunch!
The only endorsement I’m waiting for is the one when Hillary and Bill have to endorse Obama.
I bet they won’t be able to do it.
Buy one of these?
A lemon.
RealImmigrantChick
If you really want to inslut me shouldn’t we have dinner and a movie first? I mean I know it is Valentine’s Day but still it makes me feel so cheap and used.
/nonsense off
Sadly liberty, most people don’t know what CFR is, what the goals, or about anything else going on politcally outside the US. We only hear about the the “WoT” and Iraq, and that’s just the way teh elites like it. People really don’t realize there is no difference between McCain and the libs (most of out politicians). The only difference is who will give you the straight poison (the Dems), atleast with this the people will at least get riled up enough (we hope) to fight back (it’s like taking a poison antidote, it works best the sooner you realize you have been poisoned and it doesn’t get into your blood stream; or the slow poison, a little at a time (the “moderate” “Center” Republicans (ala Bush and McCain and crew), they poison you a little at time, condition you by dangling something really important in fron tof you (WoT, IRAQ, NAtional Security), while doing things behind the scenes that chip away at it (immigration, NAFTA, CAFTA, unwillingness to really fight the war by using the Geneva Convention as a guise). By the time you figure out you have been poisoned, it’s too late, the antidote doesn’t work, your to weak to fight back becasue the enemy is in your home.
Sounds a lot like the Fall of the Roman Empire
Surprise, surprise
BTW, anyone been checking out the new position opening up in the EU (http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/2008/02/13/walkers_world_potus_has_a_new_rival/1572/)
Huckabee is a stale crouton.
You heard it here first:
I AM NOW OFFICIALLY SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO MIKE HUCKABEE.
He has been on every cable tv news show in existence over the past week, getting some free publicity and it is now way too much already.
Huck it is OVAH… you hear me OVAH.
BEGONE !!!!!!!
BTW, was it just me or did McCain look a bit surprised, and maybe even a bit shellshocked at the Presser.
Mitt on the other hand seemed cool, relaxed, in command.
I thought as they stood side by side:
THAT WOULD MAKE A HECKUVA TICKET, NO?
Renee_VA:
Ummmm, Happy Valentine’s Day?
Given that he wants to beat Hillary, it makes sense. I still can’t see myself voting for McCain, but I understand why Mitt would do this.
At least he didn’t tell us to shut up and vote like good little peons.
I wouldn’t mind having Romney one arrhythmic heartbeat away from the Presidency.
So does this mean Romeny’s going to have a role in the campaign aside from the endorsement? Like the VP slot, or maybe just going to the conservatives, making nice, and telling them to hold their nose instead of stay at home.
I heard about the idea of McCain/Bush ticket. Hmm. I don’t see a thing in the Constitution that would forbid that. McCain could certainly use Bush support, and Bush could use him to continue his legacy of anti-terrorism. Talk about the possibility of a back-door third term. The MSM would have heart attacks on top of strokes, mixed in with kidney failure, and respiratory distress. You know, it would almost be supportable, just to see that in the MSM.
I’ve said it before but can somebody lower the writing on the wall so Huck can see it?
I’ve said it before but can somebody lower the writing on the wall so Huck can see it?
Well, if you really want an emulsion you’ll need another substance to keep the oil and vinegar together, like egg yolks or mustard. Hopefully Shmuck’s not going to be that man in the middle.
…. Sounds good to me. It might even cure Chris Matthews’s – Obama inspired Restless leg syndrome.
As much as I dont really care for Gov Huckabee, I’d rather have him in the race so that it still feels like… well, a race. It’s only February, and speaking only for myself, I’d rather have the Republican nominees fight for the nomination for a little bit longer. Maybe add in some actual charisma too. Then again, that would likely only give Ron Paul a platform to drone on and on and on and on (and on!)… and, outside of Starbucks queues populated with disaffected college students, nobody wants that.
But, understandly, it’s not cheap to run a strong Presidential campaign all the way until Election Day (or the end of the primaries, as the case may be). Then again, if McCain is inevitable, maybe these nauseating campaign commercials will be taken off the air.
Texas Tiger—#19
You need to expand your political horizons. Go to the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) website and read what they’re all about. You might be surprised.
Romney categorically does need to keep himself viable for 2012 and the only way to do it is “support” McCain. However, he could have not made an official announcement. After all, endorsements are, apparently, a dime a dozen and to the rank-and-file voter don’t mean a damned thing.
Still, I would have wished he had tacitly supported McCain rather than make a to-do about it. There was no question he’d do what was best for the -party- but it could have been done in a quieter fashion.
…. Sounds good to me. It might even cure Chris Matthews’s – Obama inspired Restless third leg syndrome.
well, if Romney were the VPOTUS, then I might, just might, hold my nose and vote for McPain. Cause we all know that if, that is a big if, McPain wins he can only serve one term. And, it would be difficult to overcome Romney as the inevitable candidate for President in 2012, even for Huck The Schmuck. I am not looking forward to dealing with Huck The Schmuck in 2012. Let’s send him packing and off to the speech circuit selling books. NOW.
Why should I be surprised? I checked out their Board of Directors. A lot of the names are familiar. There’s a broad selection of cabinet officials from the Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush administrations. A few retired or over-the-hill journalists. Some CEOs. Paris Hilton’s ex-boyfriend. Fouad Ajami–had him as a freshman for International Relations.
And yet I’m not scared. What am I missing?
I’m angry because it’s only Feb. 14th. Couldn’t Romney have waited out of respect to those of us who haven’t voted yet? Obviously not.
#17 On February 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, Thomas said:
“Romney – oil.
McCain – vinegar.
What does that make Huckabee?
Huckabee? I know ….
I have an idea. I want to say it but I can’t. (First thing I thought of was a very old SNL Skit with garrett morris introducing gilda radner and buck henry at the salisbury manor, 1730.)”
My wife and I saw this when it first was shown years ago.
“Lord and Lady *********!”
For shame! (Heh-heh!)
Texas Tiger – #41
Read an article by Richard Haass (CFR Director)—”State Sovereignty must be altered…” – Taipei Times, 2/21/2006.
It is what the CFR is all about.
I just hope that all of the ‘08 candidates are banned from running for president ever again.
What a disaster.
You have to remember at CPAC, he cited unity at a time of war was in the best interest of the country.
I would like to see the Huckster do likewise.
Unfortunately, border security is NOT on the agenda, and, therefore, national security is not. Nor is national sovereignty. Nor respect for the law. Nor justice for the millions waiting in line to become citizens.
I am still an uncommitted delegate, and McCain will NEVER get my vote.
Thanks for providing a link…not! And just after I chucked my 2006 issues of the Taipei Times that had been stacking up in the garage. Seriously, I only subscribe for the sports section.
So what does Mr. Haass have to say?:
Alright. It’s a lame “one the one hand…, but on the other hand…” essay–with the same insight I could summon as a high school sophmore.
Sorry, it’s still not enough to make me worry.
If anything is worrisome, it’s that the following makes some sense:
What does that make Huckabee?
The cucumber peels.
I know that Romney did what he thought was best for the party, best for the War on Terror, and to stop people trying to promote the idea that he should turn his greater number of delegates over to Huckleberry, who has the least – and is ONLY the Anti-McCain outlet.
And I love Mitt for giving it the old “One-For-The-Team” effort.
But I still ain’t going to vote for McCain, because I see too many FACTS ON THE GROUND that in those areas most GOP say McCain is “better” than either of the Dim candidates or the Dim party – I just don’t find any FACTS in McCain’s ACTIONS to support those whoppers!
I’m in Texas, and I am still not going to vote for McCain, or for Huckabee the HORSEFLY who is trying to pretend he is a racehorse jockey.
I live too close to the Texas/Mexico border to be able to AFFORD to pretend to NOT SEE REALITY where McCain/Hernandez/Perenchio/Rudman, etc, are concerned.
I’ve helped bury too many mutilated neighbors taken down by illegal alien invaders getting their jollies by killing folks whose only crime was giving them a plate of food.
ONE of them was an old Mexican great grandmother well up in her 80’s, who fixed the kid who murdered her some scrambled egg breakfast tacos, having told her kids before, it was ok, none of these young men would hurt her, and she wanted to think if her grandchildren were in that kind of situation, someone would help them.
But one night, one of them came back after eating her meager food, and raped, tortured, and mutilated her til she died, then he burned her little shack down around her ears. She lived about 1/2 mile from me and my children, and was related to my niece’s husband.
There are plenty of others that happened in this area.
And I am NOT in a “border town”. I am nearly two hours from it.
I won’t trust McCain with our lives.
And I won’t support a party with such a warped methodology of picking their candidate that it favors the one GOP politician MOST HATED by MOST GOP members, who has most consistently won the #1 spot in polls taken for WHO THE GOP VOTERS hate the most of the GOP POLITICIANS, for about a DECADE, at least!
The party knows what they are saying to most of the voters who are their base and are saying “ST&## YOU!”
Well, I say, “BACKATCHA, GOP!”
If I wanted to vote for a DEMOCRAT, I’d vote for the OTHER PARTY.
Oh, no. Really.
Cucumber peels are reputed to have the power to chase ants out of your kitchen.
And they are soothing to your eyes, as well.
Huckabee is a horsefly.
I checked several lists of CFR members – and I cannot find Romneys name listed.
I find any talk, much less plans, to surrender any U.S. sovereignty to be worrisome, TexasTiger.
Our hostess, MM, was kinder to Romney about his endorsement than she was about Fred Thompson’s asking us to “fall in line.”
Why didn’t she write that Romney is asking us to “fall in line” and vote for McCain??
I just don’t get it how so many bloggers and radio show hosts claim to be staunch Conservatives and yet they did not openly support the ONLY true Conservative candidate: Fred Thompson.
Amen, Ombre Rose…
watch for the ankle-biters. They don’t get it, and can’t stand opinions that don’t put you in lock step with them. You can do the count-down before they start the name calling and bullying.
Romney did what was inevitable for him to do. He’s a Republican office seeker, and you make a set of unspoken pacts…if you have any class…that he just stepped up to. Reagan did likewise in turn.
That doesn’t obligate any voter, however.
Whoops..nevermind. I saw the other thread she had saying Mitt wants us to fall in line too…
Sorry!
)
Also not on McCain’s agenda – Justice for American citizens, regarding our rights, privileges, taxes, and other property being taken from us WITHOUT OUR CONSENT (the battle over SHAMNESTY, Spring 2007 PROVED they KNOW they do not have our consent!), in order to gift these things to ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS AND THIEVES, by Govt bureaucrats using their offices ILLEGITIMATELY to abuse the CITIZENS in this manner.
That is a powerful injustice of our government upon us, AS IF WE WERE MERE ROYAL SUBJECTS instead of SOVEREIGN CITIZENS who are the source of authority for the Government.
McCain can KISS MY GRITS! Also my enchiladas and Huevos Rancheros, also.
Ruth,
Seems the difference is one said what he was doing, and the other said what we should do.
Most old mules like me will lead whole lots better than we drive.
Romney has been a class act from day one. This is just more evidence of that.
As far as making himself visible for 2012, I’d counter that thought with the idea that by staying far away from McCain and maintaining his popularity with the hard-right core conservative base, he’d be quite visible – for 2008, not 2012. So I wouldn’t question his motives right off the bat.
No one can read minds(though one or two on this board have given the appearance of believing they can), but it looks more likely that Romney’s doing this to unify the party and make sure Hillary or Obama don’t get in by throwing his support, and influence to those in the most conservative circles, into seeing McCain elected over Hillary and Obama.
This move is smart, classy, elegant. Just like the guy himself has been through the whole process.
You are totally right, Ragspierre – Romney keeps on passing his tests with great moral character, tremendous class, and great dignity.
McCain and Huckabee keep on FLUNKING THEIRS, unanimously, and without exception.
Me, I am merely watching the signs and determining for myself that I WILL “STAND CLEAR”!
One thing we country kids know well, is how to watch the signs, the skies and the small critters, etc, to see what is brewing and get under some cover before all the $#$#$# hits the fans.
I don’t want a share in what McCain is asking for.
I don’t know of any plans to unilaterally cede sovreignity. I saw the following paragraph in relation to our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. It drives a stake through the heart of the Paulian/Kucinichoid argument that the US violated the sovreignity of those nations.
I’m quite conservative, and I wasn’t fired up about Thompson.
Replace lyrics with Huckty Dumpty and thats the Hucksters campaign.
Huckty Dumpty
Ruth, the details were not and are not THAT difficult to find on Thompson, who was clearly only in the race to draft for McCain, in the first place. He danced perfectly to ONE THING – McCain’s lead. And nothing else.
As for him being “Conservative” – just one of the dozens of items that scream at TRUE Conservatives about Fred – take his vote that Bill clinton was NOT GUILTY of PERJURY, because he didn’t feel that PERJURY was an impeachable offense.
The history of impeachment , and te history of perjury do not bear him up in that contention. That was in ‘98 – but in June of ‘07, he further pronounced that PERJURY is a “TRIVIAL MATTER” and that our Founding Fathers philosophy was in agreement with his decision.
THIS IS ALSO FALSE, and Ann Coulter shredded him on that, just minutes after he said it to Sean Hannity, June 5th, 2007.
FACT: The ENTIRE Supreme Court Bench, who are FAMOUS for not having UNANIMOUS DECISIONS on ANY issue - including those who were appointed by Bill Clinton himself – UNANIMOUSLY REFUSED TO ATTEND the next State of the Union Address that Bill Clinton made after Fred voted him NOT GUILTY OF PERJURY.
Fred was one of only 4 GOP Senators to do so – BUT AS A FORMER WATERGATE PROSECUTOR was the strongest Senator of the four.
HIS stance for JUSTICE would have at least swayed the remaining GOP Senators, and also possibly a few more than the TWO DIM Senators who opposed that “not guilty” vote.
JUST ONE of the Founding Fathers whose total body of writings vehemently opposes Fred’s take on that one issue, is Thomas Jefferson:
“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, ‘Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?’” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1812. ME 13:162
Patrick Henry – …Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed…so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger.
[This is why Stalin had composed an agenda to undermine our moral values, virtue, and spirituality, and Fred Thompson is well aware of that fact!]
Patrick Henry – Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.
Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for ’tis better to be alone than in bad company.
– George Washington
Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire called conscience.
– George Washington
It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one.
– George Washington, letter to his niece Harriet Washington, October 30, 1791
Fred Thompson’s home district was DEMANDING a “GUILTY” verdict. Yet Fred claimed to have a “moral dilemma” about the issue. A FORMER PROSECUTOR, with a moral dilemma about PERJURY that was committed before an international audience where international leaders had notified they would be particularly attentive to see how the World’s Policieman handled JUSTICE AT HOME – the deposition was NOT about “S-E-X” it was about PERSONAL INJURY and a LONG AND WELL ESTABLISHED HABIT of abusing political power to insulate himself fromthe consequenses of a long long habitual practice of personal injury towards others.
A WATERGATE Prosecutor knew this well.
And when he positioned himself WELL TO THE LEFT of THE ENTIRE SUPREME COURT, NOTHING can help him establish “CONSERVATIVE” credentials again in his lifetime.
Especially when that tag is reinforced by a donzen other equally offensive violations of Conservative Principles generally involiving Constitutional law and JUSTICE to the American citizens – and letting the Clintons off the hook for FELONEY a lot of times.
No doubt if he had NOT faced any “moral dilemma” about doing his job BY THE BOOK OF JUSTICE, the Clintons would now be doing time for felonies, including for accepting cash from the Chinese Government into their campaign coffers – instead of running for the Presidency, at this time.
THAT is NOT “Conservative”.
NO DEMOCRAT could have so saved the Clinton’s bacon, on several different issues as this GOP FORMER WATERGATE PROSECUTOR did.
And he did it, sacrificing the political careers of many extremely good and dedicated GOP politicians, because he as a Watergate Prosecutor DID NOT BACK HIS OWN TEAM’S PLAY.
The repurcussions of not prosecuting the Clintons properly on his SEVERAL OCCASSIONS of being in the catbird’s seat to do so has rammifications and repurcussions TO THIS DAY that are STILL undermining THE RULE OF LAW, not only among crooked politicians, but as the RIPPLE-DOWN EFFECT hits the streets, the crime rate for violence as exponentially exploded in America.
What Fred actually is is NOT PRINTABLE.
But if Fred is Conservative, then I am the Queen of Sheba!
Michelle
Get over it – whether you or I don’t like it – McCain ius the Nominee.
Negativity helps Obama
Michelle
Get over it – whether you or I don’t like it – McCain ius the Nominee.
Negativity helps Obama
Message to Huckabee, it’s not quiting. It’s checkmate. Please accept this and hold your head high.
Huckabee’s team was beginning to mount the campaign notion that Romney should donate his delegates to Huckabee.
Nevermind that Huckabee was NEVER the preferred “Conservative” candidate – since he is not Conservative at all – nor that Romney was the one who had the chance to defeat McCain if Huckabee had dropped out in a timely manner, and not split the conservative vote once Mccain had no liberal competition left.
With Romney at that time leading in delegates and in popular vote, Huckabee announced then that Romney should drop out, since ROMNEY was the candidate of HATE.
I think that as bad as I hate it that Romney dropped out, he did the only classy thing.
First, he did the only thing that would take the several targets off his own back, and all the MISLABELING by Huckabee, McCain, and the Conservative media that was already on McCain’s bandwagon.
Second, he put the GOP, the only thing bearing any resemblance at all – IF AT ALL – to Conservative values – above his own personal ambitions.
Both Huckabee and McCain will destroy anything for the sake of their own personal ambitions, and to get revenge on those who they see, rightly or wrongly, as impeding their abitions.
The only thing that stopped McCain from his track of vengence in 2001 was 9/11, and it didn’t do it, totally. Just slowed it down a little bit.
He still managed a LOT of damage, even though 9/11 had derailed many other people’s Anti-American goals.
I will still vote for Romney on March 4th in Texas.
I have no interest in the presidential election at this point. McCain is a liberal RINO. I’ll vote for Melissa Hart for congress but not the idiot from AZ. I don’t care who endorses him.
Dang. I’m tired of holding my nose to vote.
I did it in 1996 with Dole (didn’t have anything better).
Not as much in 2000 with GWB the first time (didn’t know as much about him then).
Did it in 2004 (GWB wasn’t the best but a heck of a lot better than Kerry).
*sigh*
Gee, that’s just too d##n ba-a-a-ad.
[As Justin Wilson would have said.]
Maybe the GOP should have thought about that before they jumped on the bandwagon of the man winning #1 slots on EVERY SINGLE poll of “which GOP Politician the GOP Voters hate the most” for the last 10 years, still remembering ROBERT DOLE. not to mention Gerald Ford.
If they were planning this on purpose, what would they have done differently!
And I know lots of Conservatives who didn’t vote for Bush that would do more than tell you just where to stick it, regarding your warm feelings for McCain and the GOP, if you were to say such as this to THEM. They don’t even listen tot he news and feel strongly that the GOP will get it’s just deserts – not because they do not care – but because they don’t want to break their televisions sets over it – they care too much! – seeing as how they do not believe that McCain or the GOP will do anything whatsoever to deliver the vital necessities on several of their most critical issues, anyway – #1 being they would never trust McCain to fight the War on Terror properly – they would expect him to put MUCH GUSTO and MANY DELIBERATELY FLAWED PLANS into action there that would hurt our military kids in the field, like all his ANTI-TORTURE stances aimed AT MAKING TARGETS of our boys and tying their hands behind their backs,
Then the BORDER.
Then the JUDGES he would appoint who would have to show McCain how supportive THEY are of HIS McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy Shamnesty, The Fairness Doctrine, Roe V Wade, etc etc etc.
Gee, you just aren’t going to sell them that the McCAIN-SUPPORTING GOP is worth bailing out of what they did to THEMSELVES with eyes wide open on THIS candidacy.
And my sister and B-i-L who waited holding their breath through 2 deployments of their son, my nephew, who came home from Iraq with Silver Spurs to hear McCain talking about OUR TORTURE of TERRORISTS at Abu Ghraib and GITMO — my B-i-L is a blacksmith horseshoer – I wanna SEE you try to tell HIM it will HELP AMERICA to have McCAIN as our President as Commander in Chief!
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!
People like them, the millions who live out where the rubber has already hit the road, they don’t even SEE Michelle or Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh, and many others, cheering for THEIR POV – and if Michelle and the rest shut up entirely, IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE FACT THAT YOU COULD NOT DRAG THOSE MILLIONS TO THE POLLS FOR McCain’s sake.
They had tuned YOU out when they refused to vote for Gerald Ford and Robert Dole.
You are not reaching them, now.
A clean conscience never makes you hold your nose.
And see, voting for Dole while holding your nose didn’t help a thing. Too many used that God-given conscience the same way they would for a sleazy stranger approaching them in a dark and loney parking lot.
Some folks run commercials to try to make you feel like you have misjudged others, and are “bigoted”.
Well, bigotry is different, down in your guts.
You have a knower down in your guts, and it works for many crazy situations.
And if you listen carefully to it, it does not steer you wrong.
It may “err” on the wrong side of caution, rarely – but it never wrenches your guts when it should be calm and the sign should be “all clear”.
When millions with your same values codes have the same gut-wrenching feelings and they are not even going to try to overcome it – you should think again about listening to those who do NOT have your values and do not want your values to prevail in the elections.
Do you think THEY would get out and vote if a truely Conservative man was winning the nomination?
For the Conservative, I mean.
No, they would not!
Could you see these guys voting for a Ron Luce or Franklin Graham? SO LOL!
Is that red wine vinegar, cause if it is just add some water, italian seasoning and you’ll have a wonderful italian dressing of course you have to have some lettuce heads to pour it on.
I said it a couple of weeks ago that their would be a lovefest when a front runner was clear. Does’nt suprise me in the least.
Not MY party. I quit last Friday, re-registered as an independent, sent email to the RNC Chair and RFOP (FL) telling them to not count on my support until they run Conservative candidates. I’m disappointed in MR. I voted for him in the primary. To hell in a hand basket. Yup. That’s where we are headed.
So, let me get this straight from what I just heard on Hannity & Colmes…
The DNC has decided to go ahead and admit the delegates from Michigan and Florida to be counted at the convention, eventhough each of the candidates signed an agreement not to campaign there, because the delegate votes had been revoked by the DNC for moving their primaries up too early.
So, to whose benefit would that work? Let’s see… Who was the one that left their name on the ballot and campaigned there, while the others actually went with the spirit of the agreement?
Was it Barack Obama? No.
Was it John Edwards? No.
Was it Hillary Clinton? Why, yes! I do believe it was.
I guess she made good on those promises to Michigan and Florida to get them seated up front and their votes in play, huh?
I was wondering what the Clintons would pull to bring Hillary out of the bowels of an ugly loss, when they just know she is destined to be the Democrat nominee and continue the Clinton
legacylunacy. (Sorry. Couldn’t bring myself to leave it at that, even if that is what they think)I’d like to extend an olive branch to those poor, overwrought souls who would rather see Obama or Clinton elected than pull the lever for McCain.
You should form your own party. So everyone knows how you roll, you can call it the Sunshine Patriot Party.
If I don’t want to vote for any of the ones running, can I have a party too.
Given the bleak outlook from those from which we have to choose, I want to call my new party the Lunar Eclipse Party Extolling Principles.
I feel like I might get as much recognition as a LEPER as I do now.
McCain-Romney ticket would be much stronger than any other ticket I can think of. That’s probably not near enough to beat God-N.N., I mean, Obama + anyone else, but, if McCain is the party man he says he is, doesn’t he want to pick the VP who helps him the most? Kind of like the Reagan-Bush pick. Not sure why Reagan picked Bush but it put Bush right up there in 1988. It wouldn’t hurt Romney to campaign for the real deal for 3 months either. I’m sure he’d do it. Who turns down VP, except maybe Bill Bennett in 1996. Replied, “why don’t you consider Jack Kemp”. That was a boner, IMHO.
No, that is what Clinton will TRY to do, but it has NOT YET been decided.
Another thing they are discussing is the POSSIBILITY of some kind of CAUCUS, which Al Sharpton seems to think will work. However, it also leaves giant holes in the remedies, as well as simply taking the original primary votes which were cast by a different set of rules altogether.
all have major flaws.
Something the DNC should have settled more appropriately BEFORE the Primary season started.
All changing of rules MID-STREAM to ANYTHING ELSE at all constitutes something vastly unfair to some large segment of the Voting population.
But as yet, NOTHING has been SETTLED – just RAISED.
I thought it was an extremely polite way to tell Robert Dole precisely what he thought of him. And Jack Kemp.
Bacon bits.
I already made the mistake of voting for that backstabber BUSH. I won’t make the same mistake with the traitorous McCain.
McCain on LKL again repeating how Americans realize the illegals are all “gods” children. This guy makes me want to vomit. I still say waterboard me if you wish but I will never vote for this pathetic excuse for a conservative candidate. This election is a farce. I have believed that Bush wants Hillary to win….now I’m sure of it!
A horsefly that thinks it is a horse jockey.
For a couple of decades now, the conservative movement has been the engine that brought ideas…and victory…to the GOP. Prior to that, it languished in the backwater of politics, and Republicans were quite content to be the “loser” population of the political class.
Since the time conservatives reinvigorated the GOP, it has dominated the national political scene, particularly the presidency.
Conservatism is not an amorphous, plastic goo. It is not what you want it to be on a given day. It is one of those “words that mean things”.
The conservative movement has been the backbone on which a very successful governing animal has been organized. To that backbone various allied interests have joined themselves. They did that because they had common cause with conservatives. Not identity…common cause.
These included Reagan Democrats…people who increasingly could find very little they recognized within the party of their fathers.
It included religious people who had nothing in common with the radical leftist social architects who totally dominated the power in the Democrat Party, and needed a place to make their voices heard.
It included people whose economic interests or instincts were their guiding star, surpassing any ideas of freedom or the proper place of government that they might have, and who did not particularly care about those concepts.
Conservatives, with their ideas, their principles (and that would include character), and their passion, were at the core of that coalition.
They were, and they still are, identifiable and separate from all those other interests, if you look. Conservatives are not homogeneous, but they are distinguishable.
One of the problems with this moment in time is that the conservative movement, as a movement…not a philosophy…, is suffering a hi-jack attempt by cynical political interests. Movements are vulnerable to that.
The very definition of “conservative” (which is a known quality) is muddled. We speak of “social conservatives” who are not conservatives, embodied in Mike Huckabee. Or “economic conservatives” who are not conservatives, perhaps embodied in Rudy Gulianni. We speak of “national defense conservatives” who are not conservatives. Conservatives are really all that, and a bit more.
We have a self-identified Libertarian declaring himself the true conservative in the race.
We have a man who has shown that he despises conservative values who is the apparent nominee…largely on the absolute lie that he is the heir of Reagan, but who within this very decade has twice flirted with switching parties and running as…or with…a Dimocrate.
Now, as a paleo-conservative of the constitutionist sub-tribe, I am faced with this excruciating choice:
Do I quietly…or ineffectively, which is the same…tell the political party that embodies the larger coalition, of which conservatives are the engine, that this is OK, and the movement can be hijacked, prostituted, and moved into a “leftist-lite” burlesque of what I know it to be?
No.
This is a time when, for the sake of my nation, and the sake of my own conscience, I have to tell the REPUBLICAN PARTY they cannot have my support at any cost.
There are moderate Republicans. There are no moderate conservatives. Moderate Republicans were the losers that warmed the chairs in the minority of the political class for about half a century, happy in their role. They seem hell-bent on a return.
If the Republic is so tenuous that it cannot stand if I vote my conscience, then it needs reformation, anyhow.
I do not…for one minute…accept that the nation cannot withstand a Clinton or Obama presidency. It survived Carter. It survived Clinton One, with Dimocrate majorities in both houses of Congress.
Kennedy was an ineffective, marginal president. Obama is LIKELY going to be one of the least effective presidents that one could imagine. The same is true of Clinton, who would enter office with some of the lowest numbers in history, and would tend down-hill from there. People hate her. More people will hate her as she goes, including her own party members.
Please, do not insult me with imagery of fallen patriots you say I will betray if I do what is right. I served my country under arms. I serve it today bare-handed. Brave people in our history died to give us the freedom to follow conscience, not to cast a vote for some corrupt egomaniac wrapped in a Reagan flag out of desperation.
Desperation is not a value I have much room for, anyhow.
A vote is a powerful form of communication. I have a message I need to send, and it isn’t “Give me anything that comes out of the sausage grinder, tell me its your way or nothing, and expect me to stand for it”.
I won’t.
By God, I won’t.
What a difference a day makes. You wouldn’t know it from the second half of this thread in which two or three people have highjacked it with endless demanding posts (we know who they are), but there are apparently more people supportive of their part and their country than others who would allow socialists to take over and ruin it.
Look at the great patriots on this board: whysoangry, jeanie, meatpieandtatters, Blind Mule, Always Right, graysonret, Milwaukee Mike, globmgmt, ajmontana, Paul-Cincy and others who see the logic of taking the hand we were dealt and playing it like full-blooded Americans. Their few, simple lines of support for their country and their neighbors is far more eloquent than the long and lambasting negativism we often see by but two or three people who somehow seem to live in angry world of perfectionism which they always seem to see as always just beyond the reach of attainment – and so they go on ranting. Endlessly. Just as they like it.
But to all those patriots above – and you don’t need me or anyone else to say it – Reagan would be proud of your common-sense determination to make the best of it without gambling away our future on hissy-fits and overcomplicated analysis by people who have yet to quit their day jobs to manage a campaign.
Reagan:
“Well, in just a few weeks, we Americans are once again going to show the world the one thing that, more than any other, is the source of our strength. We’ll go to the polls, and as a free people, we’ll vote. This year we’ll be casting ballots in many States for Senators, Governors, and other officials; and everywhere we’ll be voting for a new House of Representatives. But just as important as how we vote is that we vote. Every vote cast on election day means that we the people have taken a hand in shaping our nation’s future.”
Yes, how we vote. Do we sit it out or vote third party, ensuring a Democrat win in November? - Democrats who would raise our taxes, write and sign legislation which would strip us of our rights and put liberal judges in place in lifetime appointments to uphold those terrible new laws for generations to come? Or do we play the hand we’ve been dealt in the general election, win modestly today and live to win again bigger and better tomorrow?
We need common-sense ballot-box soldiers, not angry, self-destructive defeatists. And the number of common -sense patriots outweighs the defeatists-cum-traitors by increasing numbers by the day, it seems.
That’s wonderful news. Reagan certainly would have saluted you. And who knows? Maybe he is.
Helping to elect a liberal Republican is not a modest win. It’s a terrible loss. Help McCain win and the GOP will be assured that they don’t need the Conservative wing of the party. How much influence will we have then?
I for one am glad to see the Republicans acting sensibly, rallying behind the party’s presumptive nominee, and starting to focus on the real enemy – Billary or Obambi.
Now I can sit back for a few months and enjoy the McAuliffe/Dean engineered debacle formerly known as the Hillary coronation march.
What is better than summer sitcom reruns? How about: Obambi wins Wisconsin and Hawaii even though Billary goes negative (using Wisconsin like a focus group to see which negative tactics work and which backfire); Billary perfects her negative attacks to win close in Texas and Ohio (but not much of an advantage in delegates) while Obambi takes R.I. and Vermont. Obambi rebounds with wins in Wyoming and Mississippi. Billary pushes her “big state” strategy and ekes out a win in Pennsylvania. Obambi strikes back in NC and Indiana and puts together another string of victories through West Virginia, Kentucky (maybe), Oregon, Montana and South Dakota. Billary stops the slide with a Puerto Rico win (they still thank the Clintons for pardoning the FALN terrorists).
End of primaries: Obambi wins more states and slightly more delegates; Billary wins big states and slightly more popular vote. Clinton machine blatantly strong-arms super delegates to get close to magic number. At convention, Clinton’s succeed in seating Florida and Michigan delegates. Obambi delegates walk out to join Al Sharpton protest outside convention center.
I’m laying in a couple of extra cases of brew and large buckets of popcorn to enjoy the show.
If we were still in the early primaries I’d absolutely agree with you. I’ve been vocal about McCain’s shortcomings up until recently. But for all intents and purposes, barring a a hugely unlikely successful Huckabee maneuver at the convention, the Primary is done. In the general election, as Charley t and so many others are saying, the focus now is to beat Hillary or Obama. That’s the battlefield and we better fight it and we better win it, because if you think we’ll have no influence with McCain, you can bet that we’ll have zero with Hillary or Obama in the White House signing Pelosi legislation upheld by liberal Supreme Court justices, and on the latter, they have appointments for life. We may not even be able to complain with the same loud voice about it, because one of the first things you better believe they’ll do is sign the Fairness Doctrine into law, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that group stacked Liberals higher in the mix under the pretense of making the Fairness Doctrine “retroactive”.
As Reagan often said in times like this, speak ill of no Republican, because this one we have to win.
Brave heart, tgillian. If McCain wins – and he must – this will all work out with probably little more than aggravating bumps in the road.
Charley T
You know, this smacks of such reality that you may really be onto something there. You’re almost certainly right in one respect: The Clintons will never go down without a series of extremely dirty gambits to grasp power.
Reagan never said that. He never addressed the “11 commandment” to voters; it was addressed to party officials and office-seekers.
Here is the more truthful formulation–
Fall into line, because this one we have to win.
He’s a little thought question…
when will we be presented with an election where that same slogan will not apply?
pisstt…careful…
it’s a trick question…