Barack Obama: Soul-fixer
Michelle Obama wants you to vote for Barack Obama because she thinks what America needs is a healer-in-chief. Via transcription from Ed Morrissey:
We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
Ed’s response:
Government doesn’t exist to save souls; it exists to ensure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense. If I feel my soul needs saving, the very last place I’d look (in the US) for a savior would be Washington DC or Capitol Hill. I’ll trust God and Jesus Christ with my soul, and I’m not going to mistake Barack Obama for either one.
Amen to that.
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When Republicans talk about broken souls in the context of civil society, the nutroots start screaming about the obliteration of the church-state line.
When the Obama campaign uses the same rhetoric to get him elected to the White House, everyone swoons.
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Speaking of swooning, Dori Monson and James Taranto have been tracking Obama supporter fainting spells.
The McCain campaign needs to pass out nose plugs. The Obama campaign needs to pass out smelling salts.
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Cat, I hear you. It is worse now, than back in Carter’s Presidency. We have a very liberal Congress, out of control, who have 2 favorite sayings that has become so trite as to be disgusting now: “tax cuts for the rich” and “our fair share”. Plus, we have an aging SCOTUS. Some of the judges may not be present in 2012. With another Burger court, a socialist Congress, and a Marxist President, we could see some changes that could take decades to repair…if ever. Gas lines, here we come….
Speaking of the Messiah’s opponent, Michelle, you have to see this!
Graysonret #73, thanks for telling Olympian #71 they are in the wrong line. I was just about ready to send myself to my room but won’t now, thanks. One of the things I’m now researching is where might wonder boy and girl be if it were not for special entitlements given to subculture members and if it is as I think then would not such a background form a strange platform to govern the land of the free and home of the brave (as the Supreme Court reevaluated).
Ann Coutler was right about the Left it is really Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, they just can’t wait to self destruct? There are religious people who are for Obama right now…put him in their Saviour’s role and turn off a big part of the electorate…why? because the far left is secular and doesn’t get the “verbage”
The people suggesting that Obama is going to SAVE people – People are not voting for Obama out of FEAR,GUILT and SHAME, like Barbara who blogs for Huffington Post, suggest, they the Leftist are overlaying their own self disgust onto the American Electorate. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb….Will the Leftist rhetoric destroy their best canidate who could win in November?
Obama it looks like your base, doesn’t get it “You are a Page Turner” they can’t be satisfied with your appeal to the rest of the American Electorate, that is curious and wants to have a look at whats next, good or bad…So be it, We will have another 20th century Presidential Election.
McCain – pre baby boomer
Hillary – boomer
Obama – after boomer
If the Left destroys Obama’s chance, they are left with Hillary, who I believe McCain could easily beat.
Michelle Obama is on the cover of the upcoming Newsweek, “Barack’s Rock” (7 page article on-line)
At least some conservatives making a living out of bashing Barack Obama and his wife with false innuendo will have more material to use in attacking them now.
And which part is false innuendo?
Follow the link at Lucianne.com to the article ‘I don’t hate Muslims. I hate Islam,’
says Holland’s rising political star
It’s a preview of what is going on in Europe now and here tomorrow. We cannot retreat in any way against this onslaught.
From Left to right, top to bottom, Double standards! Gota Love em!
I for one hope Obama crashes and burns, he is deadly, not because he’s half black, or maybe a muslium. But as his only running trait seems to be Charisima, and he has no idea’s what so ever that he has given detail too. That is Dangerous in a leader when it is the only trait said leader has.
To make up for all the conservatives bashing Barack Obama and his wife on non-policy “issues” I’m only posting positive stories about Barack from now on, even though I will not be voting for him in November.
The Honolulu Advertiser endorses Barack Obama – Democrats need Barack Obama’s vision, leadership
Fort Worth Star-Telegram endorses Barack Obama – Transformation time
Corpus Christi Caller-Times Endorses Obama – Obama offers Democrats inspirational leadership
Yesterday in Eau Claire, Wisconsin there was an overflow crowd. Barack is gracious in taking the time to speak to them before the rally inside the jammed packed arena at the University of Wisconsin – Eau Claire begins, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwhEcHHhVvU
MUST READ THE FUTURE OF DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON IT.
This is the progression of Socialism in America, I don’t know if you have read any of the links in my lengthy post above but it gives you some history on how Socialism started to infiltrate American politics. If your a conservative you should know the enemy we are up against, that is the only way to fight it. Obama is not in the caucus but don’t let that fool you, many Senators and Congressmen do not want to be associated with the caucus because of higher political asperations.
Below are several links in progression, they are all associated with one another, they all have the same socialist ideology. If you are genuinly concerned and care about where America is headed then educate yourselves on the facts.
The first 2 links will lock you in so if you want to check them out open another window to Michell’s site and open them in there.
International Socialists
Democratic Socialist of America
Do you see any names on this list on the link below that you might know, and who are they supporting for POTUS.
Congressional Progressive Caucus
Wiki Socialist International
Wiki Democratic Socialists of America
Wiki Congressional Progressive Caucus
Good insight on the Free Republic
Free Republic, Proof That Democrats = Socialism/Communism
As I stated in my last post above the Socialists have been infiltrating our government for decades and are becoming ever closer to their goal, a Socialist Society. Barrack Obama is the last nail in the coffin of Freedom and Democracy.
Great post olympian…couldn’t agree more. The demagoguery, hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty on this site (by the host and many of the commentators) often times overwhelms its numerous positive attributes.
Anyone objective observer familiar with psychology must see the parallels between liberal zealots and religious zealots, but liberals themselves are blind to the religious nature of their “faith”. Anyone familiar with psychiatry will recognize the neurotic transference with which liberals attempt to cope with the cognitive dissonance their beliefs create whenever they are confronted with reality.
It is unusual to see such a clear example as Mrs. Obama’s impassioned and irrational rhetoric.
Gentlemen,
Great posts, and great analysis Mr Scribbler, but…
….With all due respect, no. It doesn’t have to be that way, nor should we pretend for a moment that it can be something we can allow. I know, it’s tough not to get beaten down. But try these words from Ronald Reagan for a little “No they can’t and Yes we can” inspiration:
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Ronald Reagan
Election Eve Address “A Vision for America”
11/3/1980
The election will be over soon, autumn will become winter, this year will fade into next . . . and yet, the decisions we make tomorrow will determine our country’s course through what promises to be one of the most perilous decades in our history.
I know that tonight the fate of America’s 52 hostages is very much on the minds of all of us. Like you, there is nothing I want more than their safe return- -that they be reunited with their families after this long year of imprisonment.
When they have returned, all of us will be turning to the concerns that will determine the course of America in the next four years.
A child born this year will begin his or her adult life in what will be the 21st century. What kind of country, what kind of legacy will we leave to these young men and women who will live out America’s third century as a nation?
In thinking about these questions, many Americans seem to be wondering, searching. . . feeling frustrated and perhaps even a little afraid.
Many of us are unhappy about our worsening economic problems, about the constant crisis atmosphere in our foreign policy, about our diminishing prestige around the globe, about the weakness in our economy and national security that jeopardizes world peace, about our lack of strong, straight-forward leadership……
,,,,,At this very moment, some young American, coming up along the Virginia or Maryland shores of the Potomac is seeing for the first time the lights that glow on the great halls of our government and the monuments to the memory of our great men.
Let us resolve tonight that young Americans will always see those Potomac lights; that they will always find there a city of hope in a country that is free. And let us resolve they will say of our day and our generation that we did keep faith with our God, that we did act “worthy of ourselves;” that we did protect and pass on lovingly that shining city on a hill.
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The scenaros that you describe, Greysonret and MrScibbler and anyone who might otherwise be feeling sure that our best days might be behind us, will not become a reality. They will not because they can not and together, as conservatives we’ll do everything we can and prevail to make sure they do not.
We’ve all had plenty of time to be angry and disappointed and to complain about it. That’s natural under the circumstances. But that time has passed.
Now we work to win. Not because we want to, but because we must. Not an ideal victory, but one good enough – good enough because we cannot allow the alternative. Reagan didn’t give all he had for us to stay home or vote third party to hand the country and it’s history over to a handful of socialist democrats who would strip away everything we hold dear for the rest of our lives. You two will vote the Republican ticket, you’ve made that clear. What we need to do together – all of us – is to do everything we can to make sure everyone does. Once again, for the entirely uncomplicated reason that the alternative is simply unacceptable.
Dakine, c’mon dishonest? I think you’re mistaken this site for some other rag you must read.
Michelle and commenters here point out dishonesty from these liars running our country into the ground.
They cant get away with it as easily as before because sites like this and our lovely hostess are bringing it out very effectively.
By her own actions, a quota queen.
How dare anyone call her a quota queen!
Ah! A self-pitying quota queen.
Olympian, are you implying that the Newsweek article is full of falsehoods?
#96 —
Cat, if Fred had half the passion you did in that post, he’d have been a contender.
They think we’re fragmented and hate McCain, but they don’t know that we’re realists and will end up voting for the most conservative candidate available, even if it’s a RINO.
Excellent post.
I’ve been reading alot of Reagans speechs latley. Reagan spoke of what is inside all Americans, he woke up the consciousness of the American people, he spoke of the duty we all had to perform to keep and preserve Democracy in this, the Greates Nation in the history of mankind. The fact that a women and a black man at this point in our history can run for POTUS and be seriously considered is proof that we as a nation have progressed into a nation of people from all walks of life, genders, races, ideology and religions and live peacefully with one another. We can voice our differences and have healthy debate without the fear of reprisal.
I read most all of your long winded posts and you are very passionate about your views. I respect your opinions and agree with most of them, you, Reagan and some others make some very good arguments on the subject of voting for McCain. I’ve always told myself never say never and I have said I would never vote for McCain but I can not say that was a true statement on my part, although I do not like McCain, reading Reagans speechs has reawakened my sense of duty as a Conservitive. I told you and some others you had to convince me to vote for McCain and even though I don’t think he is in the Conservitive best interest that can be changed by American Conservitives.
No matter who the Democrat nominee is he or she must be defeated in Nov. Obama is an excellent oritor and will mesmerize many to check his box, even some Republicans are talking about it, but this will not be good for the Party itself. I believe that it is a purposful attempt at fragmenting the party and if it is allowed it is possible it may cease to exist in the form that we believe it should be. We can fix this problem by more active involvment on a large scale and that is what is going to have to happen to preserve our Conservitive ideals and our Democracy.
There, fixed it for you.
Thank’s I keep doing that, your right.
I like in keep in mind, Alexander Tytler (1787) who supposed to have stated: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” I don’t know whether it’s true or not (the statement), but it’s something to ponder.
greysonret#106,
When more than 50% of the population pay little or no taxes and receives most of the entitlements what you said will happen. If the liberal Democrats have the congress and W.H. that will begin to happen. Add to that 20 to 30 million added to our population over night with shamnesty they can guarantee that.
Blind Mule,
That wasn’t a bad post, yourself, though I feel entirely confident that by the term “long winded” you meant “complex and involving!”
Well, for a while it was beginning to look like they were right, but the way this board is turning around, for example, shows that they’re wrong – for now. Unfortunately, some notables on our side, led in part by Rush Limbaugh, have started treating conservatism like a religion – something that exists not only practically but for the sake of itself. The reality is that conservatism is a set of principles we hold dear to make all our lives better, including keeping God close. The moment people abstain from voting or otherwise allow socialist democrats complete control of our government for the sake of conservatism, it becomes an absurd, self-contradictory parody of itself. And all too close to the old line, “the operation was a success, but the patient died.” I Personally feel, be it his addiction or some sense that he is as great as his legend, that Rush is spiraling headlong into some form of disconnection to reality if he isn’t there already. I listened the other day for about ten minutes and heard a meandering stream-of consciousness segment which ultimately had no apparent point and was genuinely disquieting.
But we’ll prevail, even if it means forsaking a few old folk heroes. The country is changing dramatically as we speak, and it’s up to use to shape it the way Reagan would have it, as good a practical political standard-bearer as we can hope to have. We need not abandon Rush Limbaugh, because if he advocates empowering socialists to change our country forever in the wink of an eye for a larger abstraction, no matter now faux noble, then he has abandoned us and everything Reagan fought for and accomplished. And so those who love him let him go in favor of each other in places like this.
And he was right. But not this one and not in our lifetime, thanks.
I fear true conservatism is dead, especially with the amnesty planned, because this country will be full of voters who simply want a handout from the government. The problem with the current immigration system (and I myself am an immigrant), is that it allows people in but it then allows them to go on welfare and receive handouts from the government. Of course most of these people will not become self made persons and will likely vote for the democrats who will give them more and more handouts. I have seen this trend in the Los Angeles immigrant communitites (all kids, hispanic, russian, armenian, bulgarian, etc.) where almost all immigrants get some kind of welfare. Many have even received it when tey own expensive cars, businesses, and some MAY get caught once in a while. In the old days, immigrants came (in much smaller numbers), were forced to assimilate and work or they eventually went back. There was no welfare to keep them here, if they could nto make it by working hard. So, FDR, in my opinion, helped to begin the destruction our country, the country of self-made men and women. I never understood all the praise for him and Kennedy, as somebody who has been able to study history objectively (as a foreigner) and has not been brainwashed from a child to think of these 2 men as demi-gods.
Cat: I disagree with you. Conservatism has not become a religion, it stems from our religion, Christianity, to a large extent. Contrary to what some think, Christ is not a socialist commie who accepts everyone no matter whether then change their ways to his ways or not. God is the ultimate conservative, as I have heard said (not sure who said it). The New Testament, aside from being pro-life obviously, states many conservative views: exs: those who do not work, should not eat;demands that Christians take care of their own relatives first and then, if there are widows and children (the TRULLY needed) who have no one to take care of them, then the church helps them; review of the NewTestament show merit is important: it makes it clear that heaven WILL NOT BE EQUAL, some people will have more rewards then others based on their works (even if salvation itself, i.e., getting to heaven, does not involve works, what your position in heaven is, does); hell is not equal either- ths stems from the JUSTICE of God, the Bible is replete with God’s basic jsutice of rewards and punishments and consequences to behavior (very very conservative indeed); JEsus and his desciples, including Paul, believed in obeying the laws of the countries where the people lived, etc.; the Bible also talks about GOD alone controlling the climate and speaks specifically of how this earth will be DESTROYED one day by Christ, not by man and definitelly not by flooding again (Which the global warming fanatics believe in). I think it pure arrogance when men think they have the power to destroy what God has created and sustains.
So, by succumbing to non-conservative REpublicans (i.e., the wrong change: amnesty to law breakers, more handouts, fix the climate, benefits that have nothing to do with merit), many of us have to compromise on principles that are not just conservative, but part of our faith. No, conservatism is not a religion to people like me, but it is anti-my religion if I give into the elitists of the REpublican party (which I left recently anyway) just because we must change with the times).
Oh, and I do plan to vote, for Congress and local elections, so if B.O. gets elected, we have enough conservatives to fight him. McCain has done nothing at this time to show me he will do anything for conservatives, other than try to brow-beat us into submission, so why should I give him my vote? Until he takes proper action, my vote will not go to him. I have a feeling he dislikes conservatives so much, that he will not budge, so why should I budge my principles; I may have to not vote for President. I think Rush is right on this topic, he also wants to see action from McCain, not just condescending talk just because he won 30% or so of the republican votes to get the nomination.
For all of you out there who plan to hold your nose, pull the lever for McCrazy; pull this!
Lead Story notwithstanding…
I think, It’s imperative that EVERYONE should be informed of where candidates stand on issues.
Please read this
The facts are, what they are.
Actions speak 1000 times louder, than rhetoric.
Is it dead in you? It’s not dead in me or many others, it can not die unless we become complacent.
As long as Conservitive ideology exists in the mind of man it can never be destroyed.
I agree. What I said was ” Rush Limbaugh, have started treating conservatism like a religion” Big difference.
Christ knows we’re imperfect, RI. We do what is best, not attempt what is perfect. In November we have two choices, and then much work to do after that, for the rest of our lives. That’s how it is: free Republics don’t operate on autopilot once one takes off, we need to be at the controls for as long as we live if we want to live free. Our forefathers new that when they said freedom needs to be fought for every day.
So if I may respectfully make this suggestion: what we need to do is the play the hand we have, make the best of it, hold McCain (the almost certain R candidate) to the fire and make sure he gets the message every day that his second term hangs on a thread, that if we are to get in line for him now, he sure as hell better stay in line for us. Then if we can we replace him. We also work for a Republican congress. We do alot of things, but it seems to me that the one thing we cannot do, as Christians, as conservatives, as good Americans, is to throw out the baby with the bathwater and simply give this country over to the socialists. Voting your conscience means voting for what is good for others as much if not more than how you feel about it emotionally. And you know what? For as little as Christ was interested in the governments of men, our savior, who so boldly turned the tables over among the money-changers, would know we’re imperfect but doing our best.
There’s no harm in doing what’s best for the people around you, and that’s the choice we’re faced with. But if you truly think Christ would look down on you and imagine he would prefer that you put people into office who would cause more pain and suffering than might otherwise be the case, then you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do.
Considering votes already cast, voting trends, blue-red maps of the last two Pres elections, etc., he stands a chance of getting within against her but he will need to pray for that miracle Huckabee is expecting. Against Obama it’s somewhere between nigh-on impossible and a dawgs’ chance in Hades.
In either case McCain will need the opponent to run a disastrous campaign.
Well, we certainly don’t want anyone to succumb. However an election is merely a choice–among several candidates in a primary, between two candidates in a general selection. Elections are not the equivalent of signing a blood oath of pledging our sacred trust.
In the presidential election to be held in November, voters will face a choice between a pro-defense, limp-on-social-policy Republican and one of two radical Democrats. The Greens, Reformers, Libertarians, et. al. will not field a viable candidate.
By the morning of November 5 either the pro-defense, limp-on-social-policy Republican or the radical Democrat will be President-elect.
Who becomes President-elect will be the result of millions of voters’ decisions to pull the lever for the Republican or the Democrat. Those who stay home, write-in a protest vote or vote for a third party candidate will not influence the outcome. God will not intervene to remove the radical Democrat if that is the unfortunate outcome.
Given the above parameters, I will do what is necessary for the best interests of our country by making the better (not best) choice and voting for McCain.
And by the way, what’s wrong with holding your nose while doing an unpleasant–but necessary–job? Have those who disparage nose-holding never changed a diaper or scooped a cat’s litter box?
Great words to live by.
On February 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm,
I think I know what you meant but those who abstain or vote third party will influence the outcome – they’ll be casting a very real vote for the socialist democrats.
I’ve heard it called by some folks the political equivalent of the beaten wife syndrome. Some wives take it and just keep getting beaten, some say “no more” and end it.
Continuing the analogy, it could be said it’s like the beater-husband gifting the wife with a bouquet of dead dandelions and swig from a stale bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.
Can I get another “Amen!“?
Mr_C_C, #96
If events go as you suggest — and I hope they do — I will be the first to (figuratively) shake your hand and commend you for clear analysis. I’ll be overjoyed to do it, in fact.
I do hope Rash Limbaugh and the rest of the cranky conservatives who feel their spleen-venting is more important than guarding the nation from the attack of socialism (and, yes, Michelle, too) read what you wrote and help you prove me wrong.
My soul is fine, it’s the a$$souls in washington and running for prez that need an adjustment.
I am sorry CAt and Tiger but I simply cannot vote for McCain at this point, UNTIL I see some action from him. I think when people on this forum, who appear to be conservative, give in sooooo easily to McCain and say: well, he is better than a socialist so let’s vote for the lesser evil, it only encourages Mccain and his ilk to NOT change one bit towards conservatism. I don’t know what I will do exactly in November but as of now, I cannot pull the lever for him. Show me some action, then I will consider it. I have stated that before and if he makes no move, well, neither will I, come what may. That should be the position of most conservatives and then watch McCain do something. But, I fear, with the give up attitude I am seeing already, he will not change. And he is very close to a dem himself, so is there really a choice? OK, he is good on the Iraq war, but not on the war on terror, he sucks on amnesty, he is for terrorists’ rights, he hates free speech, he said he does not think it is a good idea to overturn Roe v. Wade, he blocked many of Bush’s conservative Judges and did not like Alito cause he wears his conservatism on his sleeve, and on and on and on. So, other than Iraq, what else did not disagree with the dems on? Not taxes, he was against the tax cuts. Now he says he is for them, i.e., he was against them before he was for them. So how is my decision, at this time, when McCain is the same old MCCAin, a decision for the dems, when he is in fact a dem? Come on, he even wanted to leave the GOP and one of his biggest supporters is a dem, Lieberman (and he considers himself still a dem, not an independent). So what is there to really motivate me to vote for him? He has done nothing to ask for or earn my vote.
RealImmigrantChick
Mr_Conservative_Cat
You both make very good points.
Here is my opinion if you vote for McCain then you had better work very hard and I mean actively work to turn him in the right direction and vote to put Conservatives into Congress.
If you don’t vote for McCain and a Democrat takes office, you had better actively work to stave off the socialists and vote to put Conservatives into Congress
The common denominator in these two scenerios is Congress
75 members of congress are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus a socialist organization within our government. They weild the power of influence not only on their side of the isle but on the other side also.
The Democrats can be defeated in 2 ways
POTUS and Congress so if you vote for McCain or not we must work to put Conservatives in Congress to counter the power base, These are the only choices we have.
“If I feel my soul needs saving, the very last place I’d look (in the US) for a savior would be Washington DC or Capitol Hill.”
Testify, brother! Signing ones’ soul over to politicians should not be on a list of “things to do”.
Good point TT. We are called upon to do things that are unpleasant in life some times.
I was a Rudy supporter and he flopped. I voted for Romney and he fizzled in California. I would like to see the people that we supported make McCain sit down and give us conservatives assurances before November. If he doesn’t I am afraid that enough conservatives will stay home. And he knows he can’t win without us.
After watching “American Muslims for Obama”, it seems odd there hasn’t been a similar group of activists called “American Muslims Against Radical Islamists”. If Obama thinks he’s going to “make nice” w/Syria, they will hand him his head on a platter IMHO.
I think spleen venting is good for our souls.
Prove yourself wrong – believe it, know it, and make it happen. And then we can congratulate each other for a job well done. That’s how good things materialize. “cranky conservatives” – Michelle was nice and ethical enough to say she had no objection to people voting for McCain, but for some of the rest of them, that is how it sounds, doesn’t it? It gives a new face to the word “petulant”. So to Rush and Coulter and the rest, off the stage and into the dust bin – if that’s your idea of preserving America, then nobody needs you.
We’ll politely agree to disagree on the Christian take. I think doing what needs to be done imperfectly – and who is in a position to state what is perfect – is better than sitting back and watching the world go to hell. Reagan made it clear we have to be practical in the face of tough choices and not sit it out. That should be good enough for any conservative.
Just to clarify, it shouldn’t be either/or. We must win both, if only for insurance’ sake.
Good point. I really don’t understand this “lose our souls if we vote for a liberal republican” business. If it was a matter of that, who would ever be good enough? And more importantly, if it was a matter of that, who among us would be qualified to decide?
RIC:
OK. I’m not certain what’s left on the legislative calendar or what you want to see from McCain in the next few months, but he does have a record, according to the folks at http://www.votesmart.org
I’ve reproduced the ratings of the three remaining viable candidates so you can see what you’re choices are. All the ratings are from the most recent year–most 2006, some 2005 and 2007. White hats are above the dahes; black hats are below. None of the ratings are lifetime.
Group McCain Obama Clinton
ACU 65 8 8
NTU 88 16 17
Gun Owners Amer 100 100(?!?) 0
CAGW 91 13 17
US Chamb of Com 100 55 67
NFIB 100 12 12
Club for Growth 100 33 11
Eagle Forum 38 0 11
Trad Values Coa 80 20 20
English First 25 0 0
————— — — —
FAIR 15 43 50
NARAL 0 100 100
Planned P’hood 0 100 100
ACLU 33 83 83
NAACP 7 100 96
La Raza 0 100 100
Sorry that the columns don’t line up.
When I look at the three this way, McCain (though far from perfect) looks a lot better than I expected. The 0 from LaRaza is a comforting surprise!
Sorry, I didn’t give in to McCain.
He is, so why not?
The man is 70-something years old. He is what he is. It’s not rational to expect him to change. If anything, each passing year will probably make him more crotchety and cantankerous. If the White House grounds weren’t fenced, he’d be out on his lawn shaking his fists and swearing at the skateboarders.
But at the end of the day, if McCain can ace solid conservative organizations like the National Federation of Independent Businesses, the Gun Owners of America and the Club for Growth while scoring goose eggs with LaRaza, NARAL and Planned Parenthood…I will hold my nose and pull the lever.
Yup, that’s the rating for 2006, I believe. Ann Coulter addressed this in her latest column:
“We keep hearing about McCain’s “lifetime” rating from the American Conservative Union being 82.3 percent. But McCain has been a member of Congress for approximately 400 years, so that includes his votes on the Spanish-American War. His more current ratings are not so hot.
In 2006 — the most recent year for which ratings are available — McCain’s ACU rating was 65. That year, the ACU rating for the other senator from Arizona, Jon Kyl, was 97. Even Chuck Hagel’s ACU rating was 75, and Lindsey Graham’s was 83.
Since 1998, only four Republican senators have had worse ACU scores than John McCain”
THERE’S A DEMOCRAT BEHIND DOOR NO. 1, 2 AND 3
purplepeep #133
Like I have said, McCain has made me so mad I wanted to throw a brick at the TV when he would come on.
But, I can close my eyes and see the Iranians, Al Qada, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinians on TV celebrating in the streets if BHO or Billary wins the election. I can imagine the illegal immigrants in this country doing the same.
Then I would throw a brick at my TV.
TexasTiger,
Terrific post, terrific rebuttals and terrific numbers. He’s much better than I would have thought, quite frankly. Though, does anyone really need the numbers on Clinton?
By the way….
…is a genuine LOL!
Here’s our guy, we might as well knuckle down and deal with it. At least he’s not a far-left socialist, like Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama, and that, in point of fact, is saying a very great deal. Someone should tell Rush and Coulter, by the way, that the Republican primaries are about done. They don’t seem to have heard the news.
purplepeep:
Not sure what your point is. There will be only two viable candidates in November’s election–no more. Your choice will be between 65 or 8. Choose wisely, grasshopper.
I read Coulter’s column. The GOP will nominate one of its most liberal members. We know that. Unless McCain expires before November, there’s not much to be done about that.
If you want to see John Kyl as President (I would), let’s start a Draft Kyl in ‘12 committee today. It ain’t gonna happen in ‘08.
I’ll tell you what President that McCain reminds me of. I was born and spent the first 11 years of my life in Independence, Missouri, I went to the First Presbyterian Church on Independence Square, I was a good friend of the Pastors son’s and used to go play at their house, the Secret Service house was cady corner from theirs and directly across the street was the former Presidents house we would go over and climb up the wrought iron fence, it was’nt the Secret Service that would run us off although they would watch, it was (have you figured it out yet?) Harry Truman, (yes the guy that had the testicales to drop the atom bomb on Japan) “You boy’s get off that fence and go back across the street, your scaring the Secret Service Agents”
I think it was a game to him and us, I liked that crotchety old fart but I was long from being interested in politics I was to busy being a kid.
Cat:
I give Rush and Coulter far more credit than they’ve received lately. Come November–nine months from now–they may not be rallying conservatives for McCain, but I’d guarantee they’ll be rallying voters against the Democrats. And that’s all we need.
Blind Mule:
Great story!
Sorry had to go eat supper.
Here is a Picture of Trumans House and the porch he would yell at us from.
I just got a tear in my eye thinking about how much fun we had in that neiborhood and the old Buck stops here coot. I can remember going to his funeral at the Truman Presidential Library, what an awsome, sad experience
I suspect “celebrating” isn’t the biggest thing to be concerned about, Marshall. The column I quoted above also notes:
“McCain is hysterical about pouring water down terrorists’ noses and campaigns to shut down Guantanamo.
He demands that no terrorist interrogation be “degrading” — perhaps recalling how not degrading it was for people in the upper floors of the Twin Towers to have to leap to their deaths rather than be burned alive on Sept. 11.”
And we know, by sad experience, he is legislative ringleader of the “no borders” gang.
You might wanna keep that brick handy no matter what goes down in November.
purplepeep#141
I hear you. I just can’t turn my back on the troops and the unborn.
That was sad to watch God Bless them all again and again, but in all fairness, I think he may be remembering how he and his collegues were treated as POW’s. I won’t say that exuses him from the fact he wants to close GB.
Personally, I’ll just keep my shotgun by my couch.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/04/john-mccain-la-razas-voice-in-washington/
How pathetic America is! Look at the collection of depraved, immoral, liars we have running as candidates to be OUR president! The collective intelligence of the USA is… STUPID! How ashamed we should be that people like Hussein, and Clinton are allowed to live in our country… How disgraced we are for allowing them to be considered for public office.
I resent that my life and the lives of my children and grandchildren are in the hands of such a collection of drooling, babbling, American-Idol-watching mindless MORONS (aka American citizens).
i really don’t like that hate america/blame america first attitude coming from anyone left or right. though i expect to hear more of it.
Guys,
Thanks for such a reasoned argument. This has been one of the best threads I have read here. I will have to put a bag on my head and pull the lever again for a scumbag. But I’m not staying home and watch the above scumbags celebrate and hand out candy in the streets.
if the troops in iraq and afghanistan can perservere in a war many of them no longer believe in, i think the least we can do is set aside our juvenile purism for one day and vote against obama/clinton.
As to suggestions to learn MCCAin’s record, I am quite educated on his record, as I am sure many here are. Also, as another post stated, his record of conservatism is not in the 80s but in the 60s. that is a 20% point difference, pretty BIG, almost a majority if you judge by McCain’s standards. And he is a liberal on VERY important issues, and many here have repeatedly listed them. My point was that unless McCain, WHO CLAIMS TO BE HUUUGE CONSERVATIVE, proves that with actions, I cannot and will not vote for him. I will fight for the Congress though. He does not give me comfort on the most important issues: Judges, war against jihad, illegal immigration and securing our borders, the economy. I just don’t see him doing much better on Judges for example, then B.O. I agree with a recent post: McCAin will select some conservative judes to appease the right, then when the dems refuse to push them along (and he won’t push too hard either), he will select the moderates he wanted in the first place and tell us: what do you people want, I tried, didn’t I. I can go on, but enough has been said repeatedly about this guys abismal record, it is difficult to twist it into a conservative record. As to the country going to hell, with McCain, it will also go to hell, maybe a bit slower but surer. With a B.O. in for 4 years, maybe we can get a conservative back in the white house. Sometimes history repeats itself.
RIC:
And sometimes it doesn’t. I remember 1996.
Please give us some examples of the actions he must take to earn your vote. Does he have to shoot a lib in Reno…just to watch him die? Throw us a bone, please.
If a man with 100% ratings from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (big business), the National Federation of Independent Businesses (small business), the Club for Growth (supply-siders), a 91% rating from Citizens Against Government Waste and an 88% from the National Taxpayers Union doesn’t make you feel comfortable about his economic policies, I fear no one will.
And the war on Islamofascism?!? I think he’d prosecute it harder than any other candidate. For crying out loud, this is a guy who in 2008 still refers to his North Vietnamese captors as gooks. I think he’s the only Senator who’d rip the head off a jihadi and wiz down his neck. And with an enlarged prostate, he’d go off his Proscar just do it more often!
I’m not going to ignore immigration. It’s his weakest point. He may want to put illegals on a five-year path to citizenship, but Oh!b♥m♥ or Clint♂n will have all twenty million on the fast track to Democrat Party membership. After four years of that, we won’t get a conservative within ten miles of the Casa Blanca. Game over.
Just caught some of Obama’s stump speech and find it very offensive. He said, more or less, let’s not ignore the poor just because they don’t look like us. OK, who ignores the poor because they don’t “look like us”? Not him. Never. He’s enlightened. It would be others, like me, and conservatives, and Republicans. He really thinks he’s superior. If this is going to be his approach, I hope McCain stops him in November. It’s just standard lib class warfare and race baiting. And I thought he was going to offer something better than that.
Interesting is the only way I can label the democrat race for POTUS. Watching the candidates spout nonsense across the board is great. One shouts how she will keep the country safe when she once screamed about how she was going to get stuck with Bush’s War, and now we have the wife of the Black[?] Messiah sellig America snake oil. Way too funny by half!
BTW, not even using Barack Hussein Obama in an attempt to scare me will get me to vote for McAmnesty. I’m certain that the U.S. can survive 4 years of having the do nothing democrats in control, and that experience will put the GOP back in the drivers seat IF they ever go back to being the party which best represents us conservatives.
Personally?
Its’ horrifying to me that there are those who would
1. throw our troops under the bus during a time of war,
2. glibly enable the lifetime appointments of liberal judges
3. secure roe v. wade and the deaths of millions of unborn babies for another couple of decades, and
4. grievously compromise our national security in a way that might cause the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children
for the sake of ideological purity.
Pardon me while I upchuck.
Even if by some miracle I do vote for John McCain which I am not saying is an impossibility … what I would point out is that it is still nothing more than a roll of the dice. I agree that having Shrillary or Obama Bin Born Again would certainly lead us down the unpleasant road to a socialist Utopian hell. I am just not certain that McCain will ultimately prove to be any different.
If I am forced to make that choice, I will do my best to reason it out unclouded by emotion. Though in this particular case, that may be unusually difficult for someone like me who usually has very little use for emotion in relation to reason.
What I will say that is even if McCain wins, do not expect it to be any different. Hope, pray and do whatever you can to remind him that he ran as a conservative and needs his base. Just like the Boy Scouts of old though, I would caution you to always “Be Prepared” and stay prepared for what may ultimately prove to be a very unpleasant and tumultuous journey down that very same socialist path.
IMHO
Good morning, Fellow Citizens.
Scanning back over this thread, it’s great to see, as one poster put it, “Such a reasoned debate”. And look at how many people will be pulling for their country by voting for the Republican ticket under such dire alternative consequences – just as Reagan would have wanted it.
Adding nothing new here, just two comments:
Okay, now let’s just get something straight here, okay? And I want a straight up or down Yes or No answer, got it? Are you, or are you not, a professional stand-up comedian? I almost fell out of my chair on the stuff in italics. Hilarious. Truly.
Irish,
I could have just referenced the post number, but this needs to be said again. I suppose it takes any debate awhile to get to the point of this kind of beautiful efficiency. I’ll be cutting and pasting this one, I’m sure.This is it. This is the whole arguement for all practical purposes, in quick, easy-to-read format. Wonderful. And thanks.
WarTip,
We have evidence of just how badly he wants this job and to what extent he’ll do what he needs to get and keep it. Will he be less anxious once he gets the job? of course! That’s where daily reminders from everyone, bloggers, radio talk show hosts and e-mails from citizens will remind him to keep in line. Will he do all that we want the way we would like to ideally have it. No. Is he inclined to wage the war of terror as we would like it done? Well, pretty close, quite frankly. Yes, he’s over-sensitive to the feelings of our captives, having been a tortured war captive himself. And as a Christian no one can blame him for that. But this old soldier will now go from being a senator to the commander in chief of our armed forces (can you see Hillary or Obama in that role, really?) I have a feeling that once he feels the true weight of our soldiers looking up at him to make them safe and win the war, as a former soldier who endured pretty hrash stuff, he may change slightly on his concern for our enemies.
Yeah, I think we can keep him in line enough for 4 years and see how he does while he look over our options for his replacement. If Hillary or Obama get in, well, the damage they’ll race to do in 6 months, let alone 4 years, will just about finish us off. If nothing else, they’ll open the floodgates of illegal immigration (I don’t think McCain would dare at this point, honestly) and that’ll be the end of Republicans winning elections for the next 50 years.
McCain is no genius, but he’s not essentially stupid. The evidence stongly suggests that he’ll stay in line well enough. But in the end, unless you consider Hillary or Obama a realistic alternative, we have no choice. McCain really must win.
If were a professional, I’d be receiving checks, right? No, I’m just an amateur.
Something for the BHO campaign to remember:
“Some of the biggest cases of mistaken identity are among intellectuals who have trouble remembering that they are not God.”
- Thomas Sowell