John McCain endorses Hillary’s “good character, honesty, integrity”
John McCain is incapable of disagreeing with strict immigration enforcement activists without lambasting their character, honesty, and integrity. We’re “nativists” and Jim Crow-style racists who should just “f**k” off. He couldn’t help sneering at former GOP rival Mitt Romney’s business experience as dishonorable and greedy. And his personal vindictiveness toward GOP Hill staffers who have opposed his positions is well-known.
Contrast this treatment of people in his own party with McCain’s treatment of his supposed ideological opposite, Hillary Clinton. Yesterday, McCain was asked about his comment three years ago that Hillary would make a “good president.” If his explanation of the remarks to George Stephanopoulous is supposed to “calm down” conservatives, the McCain camp is 1) more out of touch with reality than I imagined, and 2) hurtling towards a repeat of the 1996 Dole/Kemp disaster faster than I imagined. When Hillary’s Democrat rival, Barack Obama, is doing a better job of attacking the ethically-challenged, truth-challenged, integrity-challenged Clintons than the GOP presidential front-runner, we are in deep doo-doo.
Here are the vid and transcript. Watch, read, cringe, discuss:
Republican presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain of Arizona sat down with George Stephanopoulos on “This Week” today for a wide-ranging interview.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You’re a superstitious man.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN: Let me say that I’m the luckiest man. You know, I don’t like to use superstitious. I just feel that I’m very lucky, and I like to have things that make me luckier.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So when was the first moment you let yourself believe “I’m going to be the nominee”?
MCCAIN: I haven’t yet.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You haven’t yet?
MCCAIN: Well, I think we’ve got to go through it. I think we’ve got a very good shot at it. I’m optimistic. But I think the time to do that is when [former Arkansas] Governor [Mike] Huckabee and the party decides that I am the nominee. He’s still in the race, and he said he’s going to stay in, and I respect that. So we’ll compete.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Back in 2005, you said, “I have no doubt that Sen. [Hillary] Clinton would make a good president.”
MCCAIN: Well, look, here’s — Sen. Clinton and I are sitting next to each other, and we’re asked, “Would she,” quote, “be a good president?” She would be a good president in the respect that I think she has integrity, I think she has all of the qualities that are necessary, but she has a very different philosophical view, the liberal Democratic view, than I have, which is conservative Republican.
So when you say “good,” she’s a good person. But we have strong differences in our views of government. I think she is a very good person. I think that Sen. [Barack] Obama is a good person.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But not good presidents?
MCCAIN: They certainly wouldn’t make the kind of president that I would be or I wouldn’t be running. You see my point? It’s not a, quote, “good.” I think they would work hard. I think they would be dedicated to the things that they believe in and stand for. I just have different fundamental philosophical views than they do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it sounds like you wouldn’t say the same thing today?
MCCAIN: I would say that they would be good in the respect they’re people of good character, honesty, integrity, when you look at that. Would they be good from a governing standpoint? Certainly not what I would do for this country.
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Don’t tease me, man. Who? Bloomberg? Nader? A write-in?
AGREED!
Not only will I NOT vote for McCAIN, I’ll be making sure my vote counts AGAINST him, BIG TIME.
You are in excellent company:
Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for ’tis better to be alone than in bad company.
– George Washington
Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire called conscience.
– George Washington
It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one.
– George Washington, letter to his niece Harriet Washington, October 30, 1791
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
– George Washington
emjem24;
As I noted before, I can’t see your point.
You have a keen grasp of the obvious as respects where we are vis-a-vis socialism in the U.S.
That set of observations, while astute enough, isn’t unique or novel. It’s old news.
Where do we go from here?
Where is our greatest threat?
I have merely asserted it is not an out-right, full-tilt leftist like the two Dimocrates. Their hardened positions are relatively easily attacked, and they are much more easily seen as extremists.
I assert…and can substantiate by sound argument…that the greatest danger comes from McCain, who even people here have misidentified as a “moderate” who can “unify” voters.
That is the very thing that makes him so dangerous, coupled with his demonstrated core values.
We’re voting for President. If it’s not McCain it will be Oh!b♥m♥ or Clint♂n. Those two are the bad company GW refers to. ‘Nuff said.
Tiger…that means NOBODY gets my vote for President…
and the GOP will get the message. I will assure myself of that!
I’d rather send a message to Oh!b♥m♥ or Clint♂n than to the GOP. That’s just the way I roll, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I understand and agree…to disagreeing…
Go with power-up!
Can I get it in liter bottles?
Tiger…I like the I-V version…
TexasTiger,
Before you log off, from one contributor to another I want to congradulate you on your excellent debating skills. From your posts alone anyone can immediately see the common-sense Reaganesque logic of voting the Republican ticket rather than turn the United States of America over, literally, to a handful of Marxist/socialists.
TexasTiger, you’re a great American!
Keep up the fight!
That’s been done so often, by so many volumns – and you still refuse to concede that those who cannot stomach the idea of considering voting for that “NO BORDERS” Reconquista-pushing megalomaniac have any POV that they are entitled to have, at all, much less “worthy of YOUR royal consideration”.
If the issues which are certainly Constitutional issues, and certainly far surpass the issues of The Stamp Act of the 1770’s as well as the issues of Texas versus Santa Anna of the 1830’s, are of totally insignificance to you at this point – what do you expect of your political opponents, that they may be deigned to be people of good conscience who simply disagree with your royal highness – at this point.
Seeing as who’s house you are a guest in, at this moment.
Being as you claim to be a Texan, and seeing as how most of us in Texas are living DAILY with the life and death issues of McCain’s failure to honor the Constitution of the USA, in the formulation of his political policies.
I just don’t really see how you keep insisting the Dims are so much “far worse” and “more evil”, anymore.
Great post! Great American!
…and there goes the pretext that he is voting for McCain while holding his nose…
Pom-poms flying…a devoted McCainiac shows his true colors…
George Washington tried to HANG Benedict Arnold, and he DID hang Arnold’s British counterpart, who was a highly honorable man.
And neither of those men had anything to do with writing The Stamp Act.
Much less something along the caliber of the McCain Feingold or McCain Kennedy Shamnesty bills – and now going in search of judges who will not overturn them.
You said enough to satisfy your own conscience – not enough to justify voting for the likes of McCain.
Obviously it isn’t Socialism in Hillary and Obama you object to, just their particular personalities are more offensive to you than this ham-fisted old cantankerous bully boy of the playground-type old white man.
You’ll take your Socialism just fine if it is served up the way you like it.
Mister P:
I look for results in any one program to see if it should be kept. Here are my responses to your list:
1. Public Schools- No. Single/retired people without kids in the system shouldn’t pay in if their property tax dollars are being wasted. If many American people were honest they’d admit that the only reason their kid goes to a public school is because it’s “free” (which is a joke). Some don’t even know why.
2. NCLB- No. Yet another presidential initiative that will quickly go away in favor of teacher and union power. The liberals never liked this program because it makes teachers’ jobs harder. Actually, it’s the accountability and paper work they can’t stomach.
3. FDA- No. Too much coziness with pharmaceuticals and big business. If there is no oversight, then why should we support it?
4. The Fed- No. Just like with the FDA. Too much coziness with the Stock Market breeds a lack of oversight which ensures that the dollar will lose its value. Let the market fall on its own.
5. Social Security- No. Another cash cow for liberals. Ever since I started working at the age of 16, I’ve wondered at the sheer audacity of how much they take out of my paycheck to give to strangers but yet they (the federal government) won’t let me control what I put in for my retirement. That is wrong. It’s going insolvent anyway, oh, well.
6. Medicare- Yes: If it’s only for the elderly that need it and can find no other help. If it’s being used by illegals or those who will abuse it, then no. It’s going insolvent, anyway. Oh, well.
7. War On Drugs- Yes and No. Yes, because taking the dealers off the streets means one less kid gets addicted to drugs. No- it didn’t work for my sister who had a marijuana habit (yes, marijuana is just as addictive as any other drug)she picked up from the wrong crowd.
8. Foreign Aid- Yes and No. Iraq & Afghanistan- yes. No to the rest of the world drunk on constant aid with little to no results. This is goes for Africa (who needs to help itself), Europe (who doesn’t need it), Mexico, Central America, and South America (who have proven that they’re still struggling), and the rest of the third world. I also include with foreign aid, military bases- if we should reduce our money funneling then we should reduce our military presense to minimum. For instance, instead of 3-4 bases in Germany, how about 1-2 and that’s it?
9. Death Tax- BIG NO. I’ve been taxed all my life, why should I or my family be taxed too when I die?
10. National Debt- No. Our government needs to get serious on spending. If I need to pay my consumer/student loan debt then the government should pay off their debt. I’m afraid that paying off the national debt will likely increase taxes which is inevitable and yet the government will still spend, spend, spend (if they do indeed raise taxes again).
Julie, when a person runs for President they’d better be prepared to attack, it has always been so. Mumbling laudatory lavish praise just helps the opponent’s admakers.
Voting for provisions that won’t pass anyway is an old politicians’ trick. Besides McCain is already on record with his umbrella protection plan for captured terrorists.
But, see, that is being WAY too logical…
all that matters, see, it that he is not Obama or Clinton.
Bad old purist, you…
How interesting…
a very pronounced distrust of markets…
coupled with a distinct preference for governmental oversight…
Conservative? Hmmm….
7 may be a mis-speak – we need clarification from Mr.P – undermining moral values is on the Socialist list of things to do – and the hippie generation bringing in a shock wave of exponential explosions of mind-altering drug use is definitely a large part of our problem and a huge cause of the money of taxpayers being drained down a black hole – and while it seemingly has little to show for it, since most is spent of guaranteed UNPRODUCTIVE WAYS to battle the immoral and decadent and irresponsible use of such deadly products – the alternative is absolutely unthinkable.
Foreign aid was on the list, too and has proven one of the very best ways of draining money away from American taxpayers.
Anything that drains our money away on NON-REPRESENTATIVE TAXATION is always taking power from the SEAT OF AUTHORITY of the American people and transfering it to UNCONSTITUTIONAL and illegitimate bases.
It should be mandatory in America to study Davy Crockett’s essay, “Not Yours To Give”.
From second grade on.
As for the war on drugs – nothing short of an ARMY of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s is going to be effective, there.
And considering the damage to our children and our posterity, we should HAVE nothing less on the job of it at this point in time.
“Voting for provisions that won’t pass anyway is an old politicians’ trick. Besides McCain is already on record with his umbrella protection plan for captured terrorists.”
I think the “he’s not Hillary” vote was had from the get-go, there’s not much left to be gleaned on that account. The GOP could nominate the YouTube Snowman and he would get that vote.
lol – Naw, I think folks can make up their own minds on what they will do. I just don’t figure that applying multiple layers of lipstick on an oinker helps all that much.
OR:
Let me offer my bona fides. I think we can stop the flow of illegals into the lower 48 by moving our border southward to let’s say…the Tropic of Cancer. Once Pedro realizes he can work in the U.S. without leaving Cabo San Lucas, he won’t want to come to Texas.
I’ve said before that immigration is McCain’s weakest subject. That’s why he was my second-to-least favorite GOP primary candidate. (Sorry Hon. Mr. Paul). But that contest is over and we’re on to the second game of the doubleheader–McCain vs. Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n.
The only question I have of you is this. If you won’t consider voting for someone who is poor on immigration issues, why wouldn’t you want to do everything in your power to stop Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n who are worse on immigration by two orders of magnitude?
I want to reassure you that you are entitled to your position. As well, I am entitled to point out the inconsistencies.
As Bush Sr said when he endorsed McCain today, even some hard-right conservatives said at the time that Reagan wasn’t conservative enough. You’re right and it seems as though Bush Sr’s remarks remind us of the fact.
100% right. It interesting to ponder where this perfectionism came from and how, but I’d put the pundits like Rush Limbaugh on the block for that. It’s going to take a grass roots effort like the one we’re seeing here every day, DL, to straighten out the idealists, to be perfectly frank – and I think the term “idealists” is being pretty magnanimous, so they don’t pave the way to hell with zany, aleit good (maybe), intentions.
This is a good point. And maybe some did. But in my humble view what we’re seeing in part is a conservative elitism that makes the hard-left media look absolutely salt-of-the-earth. I never supported McCain until now – I even did a goofy little Dr Seuss take-off on this very board about him – and I dislike him personally. But the more I see him and think of the alternative the better he looks to me on TV. Some zany idealists would call that weakness. I call it a strength because to survive you must adapt at least long enough to win back whatever you lost in the first place. But if we allow Hillary or Obama in, we lose it all. Probably for the rest of our lives, because the judges will be lifetime appointments.
This is such basic, common-sense that I cannot see how anyone in their right mind could think otherwise. We don’t get two non-socialist choices and one socialist choice; we get one non-socialist choice and one socialist choice. Under Hillary or Obama we’ll have judges who will destroy everything for life or maybe a few who may not do things quite as well as we like. That’s it. Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter seem to think that there is a third choice: vote democrat and rise from the ashes – with Limbaugh and Coulter wearing the general’s stars, no doubt. The trouble is the Republican Party is no more a phoenix than if that mythical creature itself actually existed. If Hillary or Obama get in there will be no rebirth of the republican party because they’ll open every door to Mexico possible and we’ll never win another election for 50 years. They’ll put the fairness Doctrine into law and crush the measure by which we can even complain. And they’ll return our tax rates to the 70 percent they were before Reagan took office. They’ll put liberal judges in for life so none of those things can be challenged successfully. And those same liberal judges will make sure there are no Christmas trees in the town square, lest anyone continue to believe in anything greater than the state.
How anyone who claims to be conservative could be so divorced from reality to risk that for a millisecond by not supporting the Republican ticket as Reagan would have wanted defies any logic, unless, like possibly Rush ensuring a steady audience of malcontents for the rest of his life, or liberal shills working for the democrats, have a very different agenda from the rest of us.
But we’ll stay at it every day, DL. Here and elsewhere we’ll put our backs into it, because we must. Because we owe it to Reagan, and the kids who don’t know better, and ourselves. We’ll prevail because we must, and that means as Americans we’ll win.
Sorry I couldn’t respond earlier but I, too, had business to attend to.
If you can choose a loose cannon who is far more likely to prosecute our soldiers for torture and murder when they are doing their job, via the likes of Johnny Sutton-type prosecutions, while giving immunities to our enemy terrorists….
Seeing as how that Bill, Hillary, and Obama all put together including John Edwards have not so viciously condemned our military of torture and wrongful tactics as has John McCain ALONE…
And still tell yourself that voting for McCain is “justified” in your mind, then all I can say is you are voting for the RIGHT MAN FOR YOU!
Enter into the pasture of the shepherd whose voice you hear, and enjoy your grass. Be content. You have made the right choice for yourself.
We are all glad you participated and made your choice very distinctly clear, and with strong determination.
This is one thing where the only “wrong” choice is to be ambiguous.
Rags:
Again, your skewed view of political perspective doesn’t apply to my view of markets. I believe in markets correcting themselves. I’m also a great believer that if we have agencies that provide oversight, they should be independent of that which they’re overseeing. Do you not agree?
I’m a free market thinker. I also believe that if you skew the market in one direction (China) then it richocets like a bad smell onto everybody else (you know that oversight thing that they’ve chosen to avoid).
I’m a big believer in the entrepreneurial spririt. The FDA should not have cozy deals with the same companies whose drugs they are trying to assess for the consumer (you know trying to make sure the drugs don’t kill consumers or are a risk). They have failed in this respect therefore I really don’t think they should be supported.
As to the Fed- if it’s continually interfering with the market instead of letting things like the sub-prime mess settle down on its own, how’s that beneficial to the overall market? It just superficially props it up instead of letting it correct itself.
Also, it doesn’t help when the Fed continues to give into the stock market, seeking to avoid what might be the inevitable consequence, a recession. I liken the Fed to an overprotective mother who can’t let go. Their job is to monitor and oversee, not interfere. They are perpetuating an already chaotic market and therefore they are not doing their job.
As to your implication that I’m not a friend of the free market, think again. I do not like governmental interference but I also don’t like the ethical gaps of cronyism that seem to emerge between certain companies and the agencies supposedly playing watchdog to them. There must be balance to everything. I want to know my kid’s toy is safe just like I want to know that my drug is doing what it’s supposed to do, and that the market in which I invest for my retirement is not being overly interfered with by both speculators or an overzealous government agency. Where am I going wrong?
Rags, you don’t like me. I can tell. If you want to deliberatly portray things that I say a certain way that’s your perogative. When you LIE about what I say, then I’ll call you on it. I think everyone here would agree that we all want safe drugs, toys, and products. I think we also can all agree that if the Fed doesn’t stop interfering and ensuring that the dollar plummets further, we’ll all be worse off.
Ragsy Boy! There I was, minding my own business and being positive with another poster and you just had to jumpo in and remind everyone what a pathetic, insulting, self-involved little pr*ck you are! I knew ya wouldn’t let me down, Ragsy-Boy!
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the obnoxious Poster-Boy of the I-WON’T-VOTE-FOR-MCCAIN-BECAUSE-I’M-A-STUCK-UP-PR*CK-UNLESS-I’M-REALLY-A-LIBERAL-OPERATIVE-IN-DISQUISE wing of the Republican Party/Conservative Movement, Ragsy Boy.
Next time you decide to involve yourself in someone else’s conversation, if you can’t be nice, keep your obnoxious trap shut, jerk-o*f.
Depends on our state of sobriety, don’t it…
(Pisst everyone….There’s an allegory in here…)
I believe that based on McCain’s actual HISTORY of what he has DONE AGAINST the Military IN FACT, that he is like one of those kids at school that always pretended to your face to be your best firend, but always managed to stab you in the back at every single turn.
Just as he currently holds a Republican Senate seat by SOLE VIRTUE of DIM CROSSOVER VOTERS, for which the ARIZONA GOP CAUCUS UNANIMOUSLY CENSURED him in 2005, just as he has excoriated our soldiers for their treatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo, and dozens of other issues, even in THIS LAST DECEMBER only two months ago – promising CRASH COURSES to teach our military NOT TO FEEL THE NEED TO TORTURE!
This is a “friend of the military” for which the military thus needs NO ENEMIES.
I cannot think of anything on a single solitary issue with which I as a Conservative and pro-war on terror Christian can find common ground with McCain the soul-mate of the likes of Hanoi John and Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy, who has repeatedly expressed great admiration for Hillary Clinton as a good person.
NOT A SINGLE ISSUE.
I can find you many issues with McCain for which I can find comparable issues of men hanged for Treason in America by our Founding Fathers.
That can only mean a nerve was struck…!!!
Thanks, Kitty.
Good to know there are things you can count on….
Always fabulous of you to remind us of the qualities you have in common with McCain, and why he is the right pasture for you.
Yup, going after our men while making sure the terrorists who are plotting to kill them will be treated as honored guests doesn’t sit well with me either, Rose.
No, ma’am. I don’t know you at all, and have no opinion of whether to like you or not.
I never lied about anything you said, dear. I pointed out logical inconsistencies…and you’ve stated a few more.
Don’t hate me ’cause I’m logical…
It’s just wonderful to see the caliber of folks out there working so blooming hard for McCain, to promote McCain’s cause, ain’t it.
I list this because I think it is a failed attempt at eliminating drugs. In fact the problem only got worse. But now not only do we have drug problems but a host of laws that restrict you and me from free travel. If we carry cash in the airport we can be reported. If they suspect a rider in our car has marijuana, then they can take our car. Property rights went right out the window under the guise of “War on Drugs.” Meanwhile if some retiree goes to Mexico and get medication our omnipotent FDA does not like, he can end up in prison, all in the name of War on Drugs.
It ain’t easy, this election year.
So far, that is the only thing that is really clear.
Actually, they aren’t “out there”, Rose. If they really supported him, they’d be “out there” knocking on doors like Obamas’ people do for their candidate. Instead they just vent themselves in a comments section of a blog. I imagine it’s emotionally satisfying, but it’s meaningless in real life. It’s pretty much just the usual type of fantasy roleplay that’s so popular on the internet.
Well if we must have public schools, then accountability is a good thing. The problem with No Child Left Behind is that it shifts the focus from excelling in school to meeting just minimum standards. Teachers learn to teach to the tests, and you end up with the SLOWEST kids dictating the pace of the classes. It produces a dummy down result.
Rags:
What have I been inconsistent about? Because I want oversight over things like drug manufacturers for instance? Yes, you don’t know me but you also think you can make a judgement on John McCain? Someone you don’t know either. Yeah, have fun with your empty voting gesture. Whatever. That’s your choice.
Again, we disagree. I don’t like people who use weak, historical comparisons to buttress their own point of view (and I’ve read through many a misspelled, historically inaccurate history essay in my time). I also don’t like somebody who misrepresents those they disagree with just to have a pat on the back moment.
As I will reiterate ONE MORE TIME, there is nothing wrong with the free market. There is something wrong if people manipulate it (like Soros) for their own ends at the expense of other people.
You have not shown one instance where your “logic” is one bit accurate. You want to call McCain a socialist because he’s not “conservative” enough for you that’s fine. Please do not make the same judgement call on somebody you presume not to have an opinion about (me).
If it weren’t for the free market and business, I wouldn’t have a job. I wouldn’t have been able to go to college or invest in retirement. If you’re saying you’re not judgemental, I’m not seeing it. So, live by your words, stop getting your digs into someone you obviously don’t agree with, or move on.
There is nothing wrong with the FED or the FDA if they doing their freaking jobs. If they’re just existing to prop up those they’re trying to remain independent of, it’s not just a crisis of ethics, it’s a crisis that will be encountered by the consumer. You know, the little people.
When Reagan said that, the worst Republican he had SEEN was Gerald Ford, and he obviously thought Ford was merely MISTAKEN AND MISGUIDED in his attempts to be overly benevolent.
He’d never really seen the likes of Robert Dole and Mcain and a few of their kind in FULL SWING.
His actions and his words en toto show us he would NEVER endorse McCain, much less VOUCHAFE him as a CANDIDATE.
I think if he were here and active in politics today, and the same pass had come about to this point, I cannot imagine what Reagan would do if he felt COMPELLED to try to hold his nose for such a stink as this – ALL HE KNOWS of our Founding Fathers would rise up as a stink in his nostrils at the very idea.
I think he would fall back on the SANCTITY OF THE BALLOT BOX.
But PATRICK HENRY NEVER WOULD:
Patrick Henry – It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. … Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things, which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. … Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Like other threads we’ve seen, look at all the great Patriots and great Americans we have on this thread alone from just this morning! People from all walks, who probably supported different candidates than the one we have now, and despite their differences with McCain, see the need to do their duty and vote the Republican ticket whether they like it or not – because they must to defeat socialism. I admire them all:
Scott D, DesertLover, Irish Rose, DesertLover, globmgmt, Rational Thought, ajmontana, jenmom, TexasTiger, MrScribbler, Dave Turson, Gabe, graysonret, Conservatives R Us, emjem24, yohannbiimu, Blind_Mule and others. The majority, even on this board!
Great Americans and Patriots!
We’ll win because we have to. We’ll win because we must. We’ll win because the alternative is too awful to allow.
I think the dynamics are a bit different there, emjem. I suspect you’d admit that your profile is not as high as a GOP Presidential nominee-presumptive!
Ragsy,
the only nerve you can strike with me is a gag reflex. But you’ll continue to be a strike-first-and-then-whine-about-the-character-of-people-who-strike-back little twerp.
Ombre,
For a nutcase who keeps pounding her Bible like an authority from God and attacking everyone she disagrees with, you have alot of obnoxious gall condemning anyone else on the calibre of their character.
You two are the heart and soul of the turn-the-country-over-to-socialists-for-the-fun-of-it wing of the Republican party. Don’t think your grand example is being missed by anyone, whether you realise it or not. You two and one other are essentially the three pounding their fists every day demanding we vote the socialist Democrats into office. Look around. You’re in the decided minority. Even here.
I guess we owe you a favor. Like the guys who stuff wild animals at the American Museum of Natural History. It isn’t always pretty, but people need to see.
Reagan was used to dealing with GOP members who might not always have been the brightest lightbulbs in the box, or the most charming or appealing – but they were seldom CROSSOVERS TO THE DIMS who WROTE THE MOST LIBERAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION THIS NATION HAS EVER SEEN- FOR THE COLLABORATIONS WITH THE MOST LIBERAL DIMS HE COULD FIND – as is McCain.
Reagan’s remarks are not in the least applicable to a McCain RINO.
Reagan was always addressing the issue of a bad Republican being better than a good Democrat FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT EVEN A BAD REPUBLICAN WOULD ALWAYS BE FIGHTING DIM LIBERAL SOCIALIST LEGISLATION, etc.
Which is OPPOSITE the case with McCAIN.
McCAIN will NOT be fighting BAD DIM LIBERAL SOCIALIST LEGISLATION AND RULINGS – HE WILL BE WRITING IT FOR THEM!
Reagan was not fighting the USSR because it was a Russian nation – BUT BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST nation – it was the SOCIALISM that was the reason he called it AN EVIL EMPIRE.
McCain is promoting Socialism in America faster and harder each passing year of his life!
Reagan would be DEVASTATED by the need to choose between supporting the GOP and the necessity of fighting a McCain from ANY Party affiliation, least of all, from inside the GOP.
I think the minute he found that McCain was writing the type legislation he does and pushing it that hard, and had considered jumping to the Dim party, he would have called out to him same as he did to Mr. Gorbachev – Mr. McCain, GET OUT OF THIS PARTY, NOW! GO TO WHERE YOU BELONG!
THAT is what I think REAGAN would do with McCain.
Yeah, I know them pretty well.
You seem to be offended with dogs who bark. That would be bureaucracies who are supposed to regulate and don’t, for the sake of our discussion. That is their nature, ma’am.
I think you and I are best off thanking each other for the time spent in the vigorous exchange of ideas, and leave it at that.
Just a parting thought, though…
observing behavior and describing it accurately is not the same as judging someone…
but being willfully ignorant of a person’s character is hardly a virture, either…
and drawing lessons from history is one of the only good reasons for learning it.
Enjoy your evening!
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It was that way in the Revolution, too, Kitty.
It was that way in the Civil Rights Movement.
It was that way in the Reagan Revolution, too.
People of principle are not afraid to stand alone, if need be.
Who do you figure I’ve been stuffing, Kitty?
No need to – it’s all but certain that on Wednesday, November 5, 2008 he will be sent packing into Dukasis-like obscurity antway.
True. And it’s good to keep in mind that a couple of folks agreeing about something on a blog comment thread is meaningless in reality. Maybe a
“majority” in someone’s mind, elsewhere not so much. More like wishful thinking.
Sadly, too true…
He was the weakest of the pack, and he’s “our” standard-bearer…?!?!?!
Go ahead, Kitty, tell the GOP you like what they’re giving you.
>>music from Deliverance comes up<<
I’ll pass on that, and use my head to try to assure better performance in the future.
If you are such a majority, then what are you squawking at 3 lone posters of dissent, for?
Is it because you are trying so hard to ignore the fact that we at least are engaged in the debate, where millions of other Conservatives have long long long ago tuned you and McCain and the GOP totally OUT and will not even LISTEN to any arguments about how they “OWE” it to the GOP to vote for McCain the Socialist hustler for the Dim Agenda?
Most of THEM didn’t even listen to such arguments from the likes of me about voting for BUSH.
And here is McCain, making Bush look like George Washington, the First President of these United States of America!
And if you search them out in their personal lives, they would as soon DECK you as look at you for you trying to tell them they have to vote for McCAIN to “save us from Hillary or Obama”!!!
I’d just love to see you try this malarky on my BnL and nephew. The BnL is a blacksmith/horseshoer and the nephew is fresh home from two tours, Korea, and also from Iraq, where he earned the Silver Spurs.
And they would love to SHOW you what you can do with McCain!
You cannot even TALK politics to THEM and millions of solid good people just like them, they are so disgusted with the GOP for entertaining the likes of such as McCain and Kay Bailey Hutchison and Rick Perry EVEN AS PARTY MEMBERS, much less as Office holders!!!!
Ditto Fred Thomspon, since they did watch the Impeachment of Bill Clinton carefully and fully noted AT THE TIME the likes of Fred, former Watergate Prosecutor vote NOT GUILTY on Clinton’s PERJURY!
That is Fred, the 2000 Presidential Campaign manager for McCain and co-writer of McCain Feingold.
You may even outnumber those millions of such voters, Cat.
BUT NOT TO THE TUNE OF ENOUGH FOR YOU TO GET McCAIN into office.
And CLEARLY your posts show that you do not even begin to comprehend the level of disconnect such voters have with the GOP and McCain and yourself.
But you will comprehend McCain losing the Election in November, like Robert Dole and Gerald Ford.
Can somebody lend McInsane some money so he can buy a clue?
You’ll win because whichever candidate wins, you have both party leaderships promoting the same identical basic goals.
All three doors are opening on the same booby prize, just different facets of it.
anyone else catch this on Digg about the mohammed cartoons
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/17/wikipedia.islam/print
wikipedia is standing firm against islamofascism it seems
Just another note of thanks for all you presenting ideas back and forth. I’ve learned some things I had not thought about before.
And Ombre Rose, I’ll spot you an “s”
That’s a good question.
After many long years on the internet you’ll find people who are not at all secure in what they say. For some, to find even one person who will even remotely agree provides validation.
Being presented with views to the contrary can throw the person into total disarray, i.e. the universe is turned upside-down amid the reality of cognitive dissonance.
And prolly by the biggest margin that the GOP ever saw in their entire history!
They’ll wish that having seen McCain’s name CONSISTENTLY at #1 MOST HATED GOP Politician by GOP voters for the last 10 years, as well as #1 Most BELOVED GOP Politician by DIM VOTERS, in the shadow of the Robert Dole campaign, they had resisted the urge to be drawn to McCain like moths to the flames.
The GOP chose their poison – they kept saying out loud and very publicly, and very very often, how the Conservatives in the GOP were DEAD WEIGHT to them and they needed to expand to get the “MODERATE VOTES.
Well, it seems their are getting even more of the “Moderates” than even Obama!
And I couldn’t be more pleased for them. I love to see folks get precisely what they are asking for. What else could please them more than what they personally requested?
OT, but thanks for passing it along anyway!
Who wudda thunk that Wikipedia would stand firm against PC mumbo-jumbo?
Yeah, usually only have ever run into Dim Trolls acting this way.
hhhmmmm…
Finding some of them from my homestate of Texas who are so adamant for McCain, can’t help but wonder, the southern tip, and Austin, is saturated with Reconquistas…..;)
There is a saying among Indians and country boys – you don’t have to track someone very far at all before you know them better than they know themselves, including and especially the quality of their character.
Even if you have never laid eyes on them.
And McCain has left a broad and deep wake in his path.
I see the “character, honesty, and integrity” candidate has attacked Obama on plagiarism. We all knew it was a matter of time before she would start. Let the muckraking begin. Don’t be surprised if it looks like an Obama nomination, that some woman will come out declaring that she and Obama had an affair, or some guy will be his “love child”.
Irish Rose:
We are talking about a RINO who is on the DIM SIDE of this battle AND NO ASSET to the survival of this nation WHAT SO EVER!!! And it is pure FANTASY to keep speculating he will be a HELP and an ESSENTIAL ingredient in our fight.
He is more like the fort commander who insists on sending out more than half the troops to fight an unnecessary Indian battle just so he can use it as cover to hope for the death of the BEST soldier on the fort who the commander WRONGLY THINKS is trying to steal his girl and his post – or is about to discover and prevent him from selling guns on the blackmarket to the Indians and Comancheros.
McCain is the guy who puts everyone on the wall in the front of the fort while he opens the back gates and sets off the ammunition shed.
This is not an exageration of ANY KIND but a LITERAL LOOK AT HIS VERY ACTIONS – when he “SUPPORTS THE WOT” mostly with attacks of false accusations of “TORTURE” by our soldiers – while doing all he can to REMOVE the BORDER the with Mexico!
OOPS! THAT MAKES MY ALLEGORY AN UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE WORST SORT!
The survival of America is hardly comparable to a SMALL OUTLYING FORT!
President of the USA is hardly comparable to the commander of said fort.
McCain is incapable of the character required to “COVER OUR BACKS”, much less of stopping himself from doing more damage to the USA than the entire DIM PARTY all put together, with such actions on his part as McCain Feingold and McCain Kennedy Shamnesty.
Worried about the Clinton’s and such conduct as their machinations with the CHINESE and Chinese gvot donations to their campaign coffers?
McCain chose as his 2000 Presidential campaign MANAGER the very WATERGATE PROSECUTOR who as a SENATOR was put in charge of the SENATE INVESTIGATION of Clinton donations fromthe CHINESE GOVT – who made sure the only conclusion the committee came to was that John Glenn deserved another trip into OUTER SPACE!
THUS FREEING BILL AND HILLARY FROM FELONY CHARGES AND ALLOWING HILLARY TO BE A SENATOR AND A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
AND THIS IS WHO McCain then chose to be his Campaign manager and CO-AUTHOR of McCAIN FEINGOLD!
We need this guy like we need a madman attacking our head with a power drill!
Then you did miss the story a few days ago where some guy claimed to have done drugs and sex with Obama a few years ago????
I guess that’s what friends are for-hmmh. Yikes.
Thanks, I think??? But I need an explanation???
BTW, not running away, but have some errands to run. BRB.
Ombre Rose:
I would still like to hear your answer to the question above. Thanks in advance.
A shining example why Mccainiacs (if anyone takes offense to that, question if you really support the man) cannot “persuade” me to vote for their candidate. The whole group, from the top down have nothing but contempt for those who disagree. Good luck in November. It’s a good thing you have the majority.
Ah…I missed that story, OmbreRose. Thanks.
Maybe they’ll push the drug story harder, and Obama will say, “Yes, but I didn’t inhale.”
Speaking for myself, I have no contempt for those who disagree with me. But then again, I’ve never been a McCainiac.
The only folks I have contempt for are Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n-enablers.
Wow. So, by implication, those who do not share you views are not Patriots or Great Americans?
Mr. CC – What branch of the military did you serve in? And did those great patriots that made your list also have military experience?
The reason I ask is because it seems to me that a true patriot would face the question of what he or she was willing to die for at least once in their lives. That is something one is well aware of before committing to military service: the knowledge that one may die in the service of their country.
Such a decision also requires a willingness to do so not for yourself, but for others. People you never met. People you may never know.
And such a decision also requires the stark economic reality that you will receive a mere fraction of what your civilian friends make.
If you have never been in that position, I would really like to know how you define patriotism and a true american? Because from what I have seen here, your definition is limited to those that agree with you.
So, how and when did you serve your country?
IMHO Mcslain will not beat either Hillbillary nor Obamination. Strong conservatives will not bend on their stance. McSlain is not worth the time nor gas to go out and vote for.
Me, I’m like a mirror. You smile at me and I smile back. You tell me to F off, you lose my vote. You tell me to calm down over immigration, you lose my vote. You tell me you’re going to secure the border first and then leave off “and amnesty second step” you lose my vote.
I’m writing in Newt Gingrich now more than ever.
Vouch”s”afe,
Very rare for me to catch spelling errors as I have an almost pathological problem with spelling. And I was complimenting you, very good debate today on both sides.
Choosing between McCain and Hillary is like being sentenced to capital punishment, and getting to decide between hanging or a firing squad.
You’ll make a choice but the end result will be the same.
this race is now
McCain’s charisma
–vs.–
Obama’s experience
–vs.–
Hillary’s likability
LMAO, very true.
Will they let us at least have a smoke before we go?
TexT, I’d pose the questions:
Which of the these three was the legislative ringleader of the massive amnesty/Give-away America attempt?
and
Doesn’t it make more sense to take down the ringleader rather than his two followers?
Great point. I don’t trust him on judges either.
Jim M:
I have served my country in the U.S. Army for 23 years, so–with your permission–I’ll take a crack at the question you put to Conservative Cat about the willingness to die for your beliefs.
I’m a Patton Conservative. I believe that the object of war (or politics) is not to die for my country (or beliefs) but to make the other bastard die for his.
Heh. I’m gonna have to remember that for the next time someone agrees with me in dicussions re: Coke v. Pepsi or Mary Ann v. Ginger. “You’re a true patriot!”.
Wow, in the time it took to have dinner we’ve seen some true rages on the part of those who hate McCain so much they’ll destroy their own country in a hissy-fit, and yet call themselves all sorts of self-aggrandizing titles for having “voted their conscience”. Not all, mind you, but some.
Some bullet points for the less deranged:
* Instead of citing a practical alternative to McCain, they tell us he can’t win so why bother (rationalization for sitting on their collective asses) or McCain is as bad as Hillary or Obama (absurd and not one bit of comparitive evidence to support it)
* Some cannot vote for someone so terrible “in good conscience”, so in good conscience they’ll turn the country over to socialist democrats of the like we have never seen rise to power in the United States, and they will impose their Marxist view on this country asap. The “McCants” won’t dispute that. When this is brought up as a good reason to vote for McCain, they point to bullet point one, and round and round we go.
* If you support other patriots who do an undesireable thing (few of us here supported McCain initially or even like him at all) and vote the Republican ticket to stop the socialists, in come the ad hominum attacks from those same McCants; and when you tell those who act like smarmy sarcastic creeps or Bible thumping maniacs to cut the crap after striking first, they have the obnoxious, hypocritical gall to call you out as uncivil and whine about “bullies’, trolls” and those who strike back at their purile insults as unable to carry on an intelligent conversations (this last one makes those particular people real assh*les, to be sure. Bad language, boo hoo hoo)
So, Patriots. To those majority numbers of you who will pull the level for the Party of Ronald Reagan, we need to continue to keep the heat on because we have influenced some to join the common-sense majority and will need to continue to influence others. So this is what we have until November, every day, because it isn’t likely to change: the few true obnoxious loudmouths will continue to perform their stale act, and so we counter them so their stale act doesn’t become hip.
And that’s it. That’s all there is to it. It’s a pain in the ass, but like Reagan, we can have fun doing it. And so we shall.
Forward and Upward. Or, as we can say to the traitors among us who would vote socialist democrats into power for any reason at all: “FU”.
purplepeep:
Let’s be real. McCain attempted to engineer a compromise deal in the Senate–a compromise between the border security faction (my side) and the open-borders faction (Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n). Like almost all compromises, the results pleased no one.
I’d like to see a wall at the border. McCain would settle for an invisible dog-collar type of fence. But Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n want to build an expressway to the border and put up a Democrat registration table on the other side.
Having taken a crack at your question, please try to address mine:
You’re a great American, TT. Naturally, a person doesn’;t need to serve in the military to be a Patriot, but you show everyone what ongoing patriotism is all about. Keep the faith.
It’s pronounced AN SELL, like buy and sell. LOL CC. I admire your position but can disagree.
That’s hilarious and thanks for showing what sane, good-natured disagreement is all about. But make no mistake, John – we’re gonna get ya! Sooner or later you will come over!
This is a no win situation.
I just ask one question… Who of the 3 bad choices would be a better Commander In Chief?
I can only hope McCain picks a good Veep…
SHH CC, I just want the Republicans to sweat it out a little. Most likely I’ll take one for the team. If RnC is reading it, It’s a lie and I’ll never vote for McCain.
You don’t believe he was an Amnesty ringleader w/Kennedy then, TexT? He either tried to force it on America -against the will of Americans – or he didn’t. He surely wasn’t an uninvolved bystander who became some kind of a legislative victim.
Hey, Brooklyn. Well, our guy didn’t get the nod but in your last sentance you seem to contradict the first. We can win and we will. It just won’t be an ideal victory, that’s all. But we’ll get over it and start to rebuild again until that view off the river is once again the shining city on a hill. (Speaking of winning the Rangers are back to 7th spot in the Eastern Conference. It’s about time!)
I signed up with McCain today, with a long explaination in his comment section. No, by all means he wasn’t my first choice but did ask him to consider Thompson as VP, Trancredo and Hunter in high Cabinet positions. Also touched on Immigration, the fence and a few other issues.
I’m not hollering out for you all to join me and stand with our Nominee but certianly hope you do and not let any Dem near the White House. That my Friends would be a disaster. lol.
LOL.
Well, my response to that would be for you to admit it up front, because right now unity is an absolute essential. But hell, good things are worth waiting for.
Ms. Malkin is missing the big picture on this one.
John McCain is the adult in the race, staying above the fray as the children beat each other up. Why should he bash Hillary when Obama will do the dirty work for him?
Whoever gets the nomination, McCain will pound them the same way in 2000 he promised to “Beat Al Gore like a drum.”
Also, 1996 was a screwup because Jack Kemp was a disaster for refusing to attack, and saying it was “beneath Bob Dole to attack anyone.”
McCain needs a good attack dog as VP, somebody like Rudy Giuliani, who can throw punches to the gut with effectiveness.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
http://www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com
Or is it?
The 2008 elections remind me of the prisoner’s dilemma from game theory in that to get the best outcome, we can’t make a straightforward choice. It’s a little thick, but Wikipedia has an interesting bit on the role of morality in the prisoner’s dilemma.
¡Gracias! De nada. Sorry, just tryin’ to honk off Ombre Rose
I guess I shouldn’t do that if I want her to answer my question.
I haven’t gone quite that far yet but I guess I’ll walk the walk. It’s good, too, to let his people know in the comment section. From his perspective we’re doing him a big favor. He better return it if he wants a second term.
TT
You know, they just don’t write poetry like that anymore.
purplepeep:
Not sure how you interpreted my statement that McCain tried to engineer a (sucky) compromise in the Senate as a belief that he was a bystander. Compromisers aren’t passive–they’re active and in the middle. Bystanders are passive and on the sidelines.
Needed a glass of Jack & Power-up to wash that down.
Yeah blacktygrrrr, I am thinking Rudy myself…
Oh, how did it come to this…
What’s he gonna do? Call them “My good friend” non-stop until they resign from the race so they don’t have to listen to it anymore?
The problem, TexT, is that McCain wasn’t “in the middle”, he was the leader and Pusher-In-Chief of the Amnesty attempt. But Americans beat him back.
That’s why my questions negated your own; you have the leader and the two followers. Which of the three should then be taken down? The Amnesty Caesar or two of his generals?
purplepeep, re; “The Amnesty Caesar or two of his generals?”
The generals. The people of this great nation will need to fight amnesty no matter who is in the white house.
We have a better chance of winning if we are are NOT also fighting Hillary care & the rest of the socialist agenda too.
purplepeep, re; “The Amnesty Caesar or two of his generals?”
I think folks will differ with you there, Red. But the core point in the question was more about addressing which was the worst “evil” on amnesty, going by which served as the “mob boss”. With that established, folks can do what they may with it.
I believe many people have made the argument that fighting a Hillary or Obama is preferable to fighting a liberal Republican’s agenda.
Oh McCain wasn’t just the pusher of the amnesty bill…..He met in Secret with La Raza……(who represents ILLEGALS).
Together he wrote this plan with their input and SHUT OUT the input of AMERICAN Citizens!!!That is the most revolting part of his anti American plan to destroy this country. How anyone , anyone, can support a man who spit in your face and deprived you of your right to citizenship is beyond me. His behavior was reprehensible and will NEVER be forgotten!!
purplepeep:
Noooo. McCain was pushing shamnesty, not the outright amnesty Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n advocated.
While we rightly disdain McCain for being a moderate, we can’t forget that
Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n are extremists.