Election night open thread: Change-o-rama! Update: McCain takes WI, vigorously attacks Dem rivals; Update: Obama’s 9th consecutive win in WI; Update: Hillary attacks Obama; Update: Obama upstages Hillary…”Houston, I think we have achieved lift-off!”; Obama counterattacks McCain
Scroll down for updates…9:39pm Eastern…Obama’s speaking…will anyone faint?…Here’s the McCain speech vid…and here’s the Obama/Hillary upstage moment…
Wisconsin and Hawaii are up for grabs tonight in the Dem race. Will the plagiarism charges stick? Allah’s got vid of the latest developments involving Obama poaching Deval Patrick. How about the Michelle Factor?
Feel free to share your predictions, local reports, etc.
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Update 7:20pm Eastern. Platitude frenzy! The People Want “Change:”
Preliminary exit poll results in the Wisconsin primaries underscore both differences and similarities between the two parties in the state.
Around nine in 10 voters, in both the Democratic and Republican contests, are white. But a substantial majority of Democratic voters are women, more than usual for a Wisconsin Democratic primary, while on the Republican side a substantial majority are men, considerably more than in most GOP primaries this year. (It’ll take updated data to see if that comes out as a high for the cycle.)
In the Democratic race, nearly half the voters are liberals — up from 2004.
Among Republican voters, six in 10 are conservatives. Both are in the mid-range for primaries this year.
The preliminary results also indicate that more seniors than usual are voting in the Democratic race — up from their 2004 level, and also potentially a high for Democratic voters this cycle, though again it’ll take final data later tonight to see that holds.
As in previous contests, the top issue for Democrats and Republicans alike is the economy — around four in 10 call it the most important issue facing the country. (It’s been considerably higher for Democrats in some other states.)
On candidate attributes, again as in the past, someone who can “bring about needed change” is tops by far for Democrats; among Republicans, as in previous primaries, it’s someone who “shares my values.”
Update 7:57pm Eastern.
Fox exit polls…on late-deciders among Dems, Obama leads Hillary 53-47.
54 percent of WI Dems believe Hill is attacking Obama unfairly.
34 believe Obama is attacking Hill unfairly.
80 percent say they would be satisfied if Obama were the nominee
On the GOP side in WI, 7 out of 10 Republicans are going with McCain over Huck, 53-39.
The spread among vets: 51-33 McCain over Huck.
Among evangelicals, Huck leads 59-35.
Among values voters, 54-31 going with McCain.
And he’s losing the very conservative Republican vote.
Update 9:02pm Eastern. CNN projects a McCain win in WI, as expected. Obama leads in WI, but no projection yet.
Update 9:08pm Eastern. McCain speaks in Ohio. He’s once again praising Mike Huckabee and reading his sing-songy teleprompter speech.
McCain attacks the “empty call for change” and the “holiday from history.”
Huge, huge applause.
Good lines about Cuba and the “self-important bully in Venezuela.”
Attacks Obama (not by name) for wanting to sit down with our enemies and talk. Attacks “moral monsters” behind jihad.
“My friends, I’m not the youngest candidate, but I am the most experienced. (
Big applause and he does a thumbs-up.) I know what the military can do, what it can’t do, and what it can do better. I know how Congress works. I know how the world works…how to work with those who want to make it more prosperous and free…and how to stand up to those who don’t…I don’t run out of sense of entitlement. I owe more to her than she has ever owed me…”
Update 9:25pm Eastern. CNN projects Obama win in WI. That’s nine straight gold medals in a row. And number ten is imminent in Obama’s home state of Hawaii.
Update 9:32pm Eastern. Hillary’s speaking in Youngstown, Ohio. She’s hammering her “We can’t have just speeches and words” attack. She looks haggard. Her voice is shot.
Oh, gack. She just played the woman card by recounting a young mom who gave her $10 “because she wanted her daughters to know that anything is possible.” Hillary also claims she received a donation from a man who is a “cranky conservative.”
Hillary brags about her foreign policy readiness. She “stood up to China.”
And pocketed their cash.
She’s ready for “day one.” Blah, blah.
Note: She’s attacking Obama, not McCain.
Update 9:38pm Eastern. Obama has upstaged Hillary. Started his speech in the middle of Hillary’s. Massive crowd and massive noise compared to Hillary’s little Youngstown crowd. Oh. no. The “Yes, We Can” chants are starting. He’s making a hard push for Texans to vote, explaining process. Announces win in Wisconsin. Massive applause.
No one has fainted yet.
Update 9:49pm Eastern. Obama tells a subprime sob story. I will be checking into the specifics of that case and asking the questions that need to be asked about it. I promise you.
Now, he’s recounting his anti-war bracelet story. Big applause.
Makes a crack about some people looking through her kindergarten papers. Huge applause. I’m not running out of entitlement. Running because of the “fierce urgency of now.” Huge applause.
Cheers again when Obama complains about gas prices.
10:01pm Eastern. Obama says “I believe in the free market,” then proceeds to bash the free market. Vows to roll back Bush tax cuts.
Update 10:16pm Eastern. “Some people say well, what about John McCain?” Boos. Says he honors and reveres his war record, but not his “failed economic policies.” Obama says he’s the “arty of tomorrow,” not the party of yesterday.
Segues to his hope rhetoric. Hope, hope, hope, hope. The meaning of hope.
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Uhhh…someone whose positions I despise will win the Democrat primaries in Wisconsin and Hawai’i.
I predict the media will ignore the Washington State primary… as will most of the voters in WA.
prediction? the rockster obambi. they will be swooning all over hawaii for him. and wisconsin will be a nail biter. isn’t this the state with both caucus and primary? almost a virtual tie to hillary. the primary will go to her but the caucus portion will go to obambi.
blood, sweat and tears her way to a victory in wisconsin. and i am not kidding about the blood, sweat and tears. we know the clintons when it comes to reaching their goals, whatever you do don’t tell them ‘over my dead body’ cause it just may happen. we now know that she can pour on the tears and we’ve seen billy boy sweating under the having to really sell her now that the coronation to the win is almost lost.
I predict both the winner and loser of the Democrat primaries will follow-up with hollow speeches filled with soaring retoric and annoying left-wing catch phrases.
I’m off to the big island next week. Wooohooo!
The soviet socialist republics of Wisconsin and Hawaii will be Barack’s playground.
I think you are thinking about Texas. Wisconsin has just a primary, but it is open. Just some word on the street that voting is really heavy in Madison (pro Obama area) and weather may be suppressing turnout up north (more pro Hillary area)
HI Obama 60/37
WI Obama 53/45
I think they will. Plagiarism is a very serious issue. It shows he feels he can get away with anything.
Hey, meatpieandtatters, when you’re over there, check the city records to see if Obama was actually born in Honolulu as he claims.
well, i still say clinton wins WI..through blood, sweat and tears..
Lawsuit Alert! Lawsuit Alert! Scramble the lawyers!
Way to go out on a limb, texastiger.
As far as weather suppressing the turnout in Wisconsin… It’s FReepin’ Wisconsin! It’s supposed to snow!
And the Governor of Wisconsin is a Obama supporter. He is not going to hold the polls open to give Hillary’s people a chance to vote (again and again and again…), like the Governor of Maryland did.
Prediction: Another Obama Sweep.
Here’s something to watch for: If Hillary loses both primaries, will she congratulate Obama or maintain her streak of losing ungraciously?
OK, now it’s our turn!
Our primary counts! Only problem is no one is left worth voting for.
For those of you expecting to see an Obama win in WI, hold your horses.
There is a HUGE number of my fellow Republicans who are crossing over (we have an open primary) and are voting for (gasp) Hillary.
Mac doesn’t need our vote right now (nor does he deserve it) and he has a better chance against her in November.
And if this gives her the fuel to burn down the Dem Party (pressuring delegates, pushing on MI & FL, etc.), I would like to do my part to help!
What’s the difference? Same package, different wrapping.
Hillbillary will pull it out in Wis. but Barack takes the alloha state. I hope I’m wrong though. I want to see Hillary beat bad.
Awwwww! Tiger, you took mine.
I understand that concept but as Republicans (assuming they are upset at McInsane) why wouldn’t they vote for the Huckster? You know kind of like a smack in McSLain’s face saying, “we’ll let you have the nomination, but we’re the boss”.
John Ansell ,
I have not heard any one who is voting for Huck as a message to McCain. Those who do, seem to actually like his claim as being the only conservative left.
One gentleman on the radio this AM said he made his protest by writing in McCain…on the Dem side of the ballot!
john ansell, maybe because they see through the huckster and charlatan he is? there is no way they could have voted for huck the schmuck even if there were only mccain and huck on the ballot.
LOL Milwaukee Mike. Don’t give me any ideas on the general.
Uhangtight, Oh don’t get me wrong, My first choice was Newt and when he didn’t jump in I went to Romney. I will not forgive Huckster for what he did to Romney.
no judging here, just thinking what i would have to do if it were me…
write in or see who on the otherside i would like most to lose. (hard choice).
I lived in Kona, Hilo and the north part of the island in Kohala.
I’m just getting warmed up. Hoo-ah!
Next predicion…
Obama’s two victories tonight secure the endorsement of the IFGA.
Regarding voting for Huck to sending a message to McCain… don’t. I think McCain got the message, and we have other ways to remind him. The reason why I cringe to think about voting to send a message is to think back to 1992. I knew a number of people who voted for Ross Perot to send a message to Bush 41… that “message” gave us the Clinton nightmare.
I held my nose and voted for McCain in Virginia last week even though I wanted to vote for Romney since he was still on the ballot.
I predict a tie right up to the convention, where the issue will be settled honorably, with either swords or pistols.
If swords, I predict a Hillary win. Even money if pistols.
Is it too far out on a limb to think weather won’t be a factor in Hawaii?
Ok, ok, I’ll stop rubbing it in.
I was busy yesterday, but what news I saw seemed fixated on Chelsea – except for a lovely shot of Kellie Hu at an Obama rally.
I really like the sound of that, but not the Obama version, the Malkin version.
Obama is the candidate of hope.Yeah,hope in one hand and spit in the other,tell me which fills up first.
I think Barry O will win Wisconsin,only because of the stupidity of the electorate in general.
I think I broke some ribs laughing so hard. Thanks.
That means Hillary will win.
Oh the irony Will the Clintons demand the firing of the person insulting Chelsea?
AlohaGuy…#29
Don’t do that! Took me 45 minutes to find my way back from that Kellie Hu link!!
Very interesting gender breakdown. I guess women were more likely to meddle in the Dem primary than men (which, of course, didn’t stop me from meddle).
I predict the Obama train of artificiality and platitudes will continue to pick up delegates, because, you know, it’s all about hope, and change…and hating your country until you vote for Obama.
That’s a safe one.
Which person?
OK guys and gals, imho, and no need to blast me I’ve heard all the arguments. We need to step up and back McCain as our nominee, bite the bullet and try to take it in stride we can still fight the shamnesty deal and hopfully he will surprise us and be a good President. This will be my last statement on the matter. I’m backing John McCain.
a pox on both parties for the woeful slate of candidates ‘left’ standing
talk about a rigged horse race or what 8-?
Very true, Norm.
I did finally dig out a by-district source of returns (thanks, Associated Press and Green Bay Press Gazette). Most of the delegates on both sides are awarded by-district:
D – 6 delegates per district, awarded proportionally (15% minimum) except for the 2nd (8 delegates), 5th (5 delegates) and 6th (5 delegates). Also, 26 delegates will be awarded proportionally based on the statewide vote.
R – 3 delegates per district, winner-take all. Also, 16 delegates awarded to the statewide winner (some sources have it at 13, with the 3 party delegates “uncommitted” but endorsing John McCain).
Thanks, I’ll return the favor to MAV in November and write in anyone that’s not him or the DEM.
Turnout seems to be pretty big here in southeastern Wisconsin today – although we did have mayoral primary and local referendum on the ballot as well.
The first name I looked for on the ballot was Mitt Romney. I gave some thought, in the moment, to a vote for him, but, instead I voted for McCain. For all his faults – well known and well enumerated – I think McCain is by far the best choice to be tough in the WoT, and I think that issue trumps many of the rest. And, the sooner McCain gets his 1191, the sooner we can say buh-bye to the Huckster.
fwiw, the huckster is just acting the fool now. I e-mailed him and said it before here. it’s not quiting, it’s checkmate. bow out now please, pretty soon it wont even be gracefully.
Liberals care about plagiarism? They didn’t care about perjury, sexual harassment, or rape accusations…all you need is the magic “D” next to your name.
Fox News – Obama, McCain will take the statewide vote.
Obama already? I guess it wasn’t that close. I know TX and OH are coming up. But I have a vision of Hillary’s election plane going down in flames.
Except for the line about finding “clean” energy (Cap and Trade anyone?), I liked McCain’s speech and he sounded fairly conservative: spending, vouchers, security…Why is it that I’m checking my back for a knife?
Hillary doesn’t have a campaign plane. She has a Hill-a-copter, pictured here in Wisconsin with her staff waiting to board.
No congrats from Hillary. Sore loser indeed.
My problem with our presidential candidates is that they will all talk about keeping us safe especially McCain and I do believe he believes what he’s saying about keeping us safe,however none of these folks give one hoot about securing a wide open southern border where criminal aliens who rob,rape,murder and molest our citizens come and go at will.Some have been deported numerous times only to return to commit new crimes.I am sure many terrorists have crossed this border.Several persons from the Middle East have been caught there.
In the end I am sick of hearing rhetoric from politicians that say they will keep me and my family safe it’s a empty campaign line to us when we have a border none of them have any will or inclination to secure!
I predicted that the one with the hairiest legs would win the Dem nomination in Wisconsin… guess I was wrong, according to the exit poll data.
Did she really just say that? “I believe health care is a right, not a privilege.”
Makes you wonder what else she sees as a right. I wonder how much more debt we can handle, or how many taxes we can stand. Ack.
still laughing…
Obama/Bloomberg+$1,000,000,000
AJ,
I live about 2 miles from the Peoria stadium. Drop me an e-mail Azygos 451 at yahoo.com
Oh Lordy, now THAT is ugly.
That was a tribute to Fidel.
Sad thing is, a lot of people seem to think health care IS a right. It’s the 29th Amendment, isn’t it? Right after the 28th, which entitles only ‘progressives’ to offer their opinions on anything of substance.
I can almost guarantee that a lot of REpublicans are voting for BO on purpose, to see Hillary defeated. I know a lot of Republicans are doing that in TX. Since the dems took awa our choices and helped out picking our nominee, I guess a lt of people feel like returning the favor. So, the question is: with Hill and BO pretty much equally splitting the dem vote based on exit polls (see Drudge Report), how many Republicans voted for BO just to get Hillary and Billy out of the way?
I’m about half-way through Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”. It’s eye-opening seeing the parallels between the fascist/progressive programs from the 20’s and what the Dems are proposing now.
I just hope the GOP gets enough seats in the House or Senate to upend the socialist program that is coming.
Wishful thinking RIC.
Obama just proposed an age test for taxes – senior citizens under 50K per year won’t pay taxes.
I feel discriminated against.
Obama will not raise the minimum wage. He can’t. What a load of garbage.
He’s a long winded sort, isn’t he…
Obama is running true to form on Chicago style politics – offering everything to everybody.
Heard he just nailed the college age vote by promising some pot in every chicken….
So what else is Obama going GIVE me?
Aaagh, shamnesty Obama style!
God help us, this guy is another Jimmy Carter. *Cries.*
Wait. Spend money on the troops, but not on the war? What?
Meet with our enemies – that’s awesome. Let’s send him to Iran and see what happens.
JFK – weak. JFK was assassinated by his enemies.
Is someone keeping a checklist of everything he’s promised? I know this is a race for President, but seriously!
Heard he just nailed the college age vote by promising some pot in every chicken…
LOL!
Obama is a quick learner. He is trying to nail down the worthless, dependent, whiner vote that Democrats vie for.
McCain = Bush, that is how he’s going to play this out.
Did someone change his batteries? He’s making the Energizer Bunny look bad… he keeps on talking and talking and talking… I think he has spent a trillion dollars in the last 10 minutes.
He just said he’d end the war in 2009. But he also “reserves the right” to assess the situation on the ground. Meaning, he promises that he will certainly consider a possibly definite end to the war.
Light-weight.
Something to keep an eye on – the 3rd and 7th Congressional district Republican results (I put a link to the by-district results upthread).
3rd (30% in) – McCain 46%-44%
7th (36% in) – Huckabee 47%-46%
The district delegates (3 per) are WTA by-district.
The Fox coverage is accurate and Osama Obama and Hillary Rodham Anti Christ are peddling shameless lies and pandering for November votes.
Same old bull$hit.
The words Hope and Change have taken on new relevence. I will Hope that when I Change the channel, there will be a good western movie on….
have no fear trooper after today there will only be 35 days left until opening day for baseball, first game march 25th. then its the sweet sounds of spring, hot dogs and a nice nap during the middle innings.
I’m ready to vote now, can we skip to November? If I have to listen to this crap for the rest of the year, I’m going postal for sure.
Silverado’s on CMT if you can stand Kevin Costner.
ajmontana Thanks!
Perspectives and Priorities.
Kostner is entertaining.
Thanks!
Change? … The only changes we need are to get all the out of touch politicians out of DC …
We need Statesmen … not politicians
We need Educators … not teachers
We need Common Sense … not pie in the sky
We need Principles … not empty promises
We need Law Enforcement … not sanctuaries
The list could go on … but I think you all get the idea …
We need Baby Backs….. not wings
We need Enforcement of the laws. thats better dl.
Oh, I love it! THAT is beautiful!
PERFECT!
aj … thanks … sometimes I am typing from emotion instead of logical thinking …
BTW … Baby Backs are rookie and farm system AZ Diamondbacks …
You asked for substance. You got 45 minutes worth of substance. Just a quick note.
Mohamad Ali would be proud of Oblahma, he’s got the Hope-A-Dope down to an art form.
And I thought I was the only one with a Countdown to Opening Day clock on their desktop. Who’s your team, aj?
Angels.
Red Sox.
ugh.
Brewers fan here. Figures that Gallardo would go out 4 weeks on the first day of camp.
Random Wisconsin numbers:
1st Congressional Dem – Obama 29,789, Clinton 29,638 (49% reporting)
3rd Congressional Pubbie – Huckabee 14,824, McCain 14,423 (74% reporting)
7th Congressional Pubbie – McCain 15,791, Huckabee 15,780
Projected Dem delegate take from Wisconsin – Obama 42, Clinton 32
Sorry. Not too thrilled with Schilling at the moment. Blogger Boy needs to take it easy on the donuts.
Absolutely!!!