What Michelle Obama said

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 19, 2008 09:53 AM

Here’s the video via Hot Air of The Soul-Fixer’s wife admitting that she hasn’t had a real moment of pride in her country for the duration of her adult life:

I believe it was Michael Kinsley who quipped that a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth. In this case, it’s what happens when a Democrat politician’s wife says what a significant portion of the party’s base really believes.

You’ll note the immediate applause after she delivers the line.

But, hey, DON’T QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM!

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  1. #101
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, ajmontana said:

    spin it however you like olympian, shes an ingrate. and all they do is speak in sound bites, obama hasnt voted on any issues and is the king of pandering, the queen being hillary.

    Not spin. The spoken words prove it, but you have to listen to the speech. Something a bandwagon character assassin expert like yourself is probably too lazy to do.

  2. #102
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    enough

  3. #103
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, ajmontana said:

    lol olympian I’m glad you have figured me out it’s taken my girlfriend years to do. sure your names not karnack?

  4. #104
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, ajmontana said:

    I agree 30, emough is emough.

  5. #105
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, ajmontana said:

    lol olympian I’m glad you have figured me out it’s taken my girlfriend years to do. sure your names not karnack?

    You made the “ingrate” comment, not me.

    Her speech overall, considering the audience she was speaking too, was excellent. What she said about common sense values would stand up to any conservative litmus test. (32 minutes to about 34 minutes in the video)

  6. #106
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    aj,
    From a fellow bca (bandwagon character assassin) to another. Truth be told I was to lazy to hit the ‘n’ on the keyboard.

  7. #107
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, ajmontana said:

    I agree 30, emough is emough.

    Of course, after you smear someone, then enough is enough. Let’s not look at the facts.

  8. #108
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, Mister P said:

    Mister P~

    If we got into Vietnam with the blessing of the legitimate government of the nation of Vietnam, that’s really not an invasion, now is it?

    Sure its an invasion based upon the request of that government. Just as we INVADED Normandy. The problem as I see it is that you are giving it a negative connotation.

  9. #109
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, Mister P said:

    Obama is now running ads in Hawaii telling parents to turn off the TV so their kids can study

    Doesn’t he really mean, turn off the TV so they can take cocaine like he did?

  10. #110
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, Major O said:

    I don’t agree with what she said but this nit picking every little thing that every body is saying is getting childish. If what she said was unpatriotic, then what Bush and McCain attempted to do to the citizens of America with SHAMNESTY REFORM was not just unpatriotic, but RAPE and character smearing (calling everyone bigots, etc.)

    What do these two issues have to do with one another? If you are looking for a pretext on which to launch into an anti-Bush tirade, I’m sorry, but this isn’t one.
    This is about a woman whose husband is running for the highest office in the land. We have a bounded DUTY to “nitpick” everything she says to determine exactly what kind of persons would be occupying the White House.
    Bush/McCain’s stance on illegal immigration is a complete non sequitur and bears absolutely ZERO relation to the thread at hand.
    BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND…
    My 95 year old black grandmother just died last month, and if she heard what Mrs. Obama said, she’d immediately pronounce her a fool.
    My take is that Mrs. O thought that by saying what she said, she was repudiating any and all recent “Republican progress” over the last 25 years but she probably honestly forgot that it included the Clinton reign as well. Or if she did recall it included the Clinton golden years, she’d probably argue that “progress” was stymied because of a Republican congress.
    But I wonder if Barack asked her later, “What? You weren’t proud to marry me??”

  11. #111
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, ajmontana said:

    I was just playing with 30, shes a friend, that wasnt meant for you oly.
    lets just not speak to on another shall we. thank you.

  12. #112
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Great post Major O. And I sorry to hear about your grandmother.

  13. #113
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, ajmontana said:

    I was just playing with 30, shes a friend, that wasnt meant for you oly.
    lets just not speak to on another shall we. thank you.

    No problem.

    BTW, your next chance to trash Michelle Obama, Michelle Obama in Warwick, RI, Wednesday, February 20th.

  14. #114
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Doesn’t he really mean, turn off the TV so they can take cocaine like he did?

    Well he did say he wants kids to have every opportunity he had. ;)

    Here’s a link to his old high school - the tuition page…

  15. #115
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    olympian2008

    Let me help you out here. Take your favorite brownie recipe and add a sprinkle of dog poop. Now tell all your friends and see if they want to partake. I am betting no.

    Some of us can see through they yummy part and notice the poop.

  16. #116
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, dakine said:

    I’ll go ahead and dutifully play my role as a-hole lawyer polemicist in an effort to keep it just a little real and attempt to counteract the demagogery of the echoe chamber that is this thread. Here goes:

    …for context, I’m a McCain guy (and except for a brief flirtation in this election cycle, have been since the 2000 election), and I disagree with most of Obama’s policy positions (at least the ones I care about).

    …as olympian pointed out, listen to the whole speech before you make silly comments. Politics being the game it is, she probably should’ve stated her thought differently, but any reasonably intelligent person knows what she meant in the overall context of the entire speech. I think it’s important to be just a little intellectually honest, especially when discussing individuals with whom you disagree on substance. If you want to be taken seriously that is.

    …there’s a difference between criticizing a particular administration and making negative comments about your country. Guessing most of you will experience this phenomenon firsthand over at least the next four years during the Obama presidency. Paraphrasing Jefferson, “love your country, but distrust your government”. Make sense?

    BTW Gabe, you crossed the line quite a while ago. Your ridiculous and unfounded comments regarding Obama are irresponsible, defamatory and not worthy of this site. You come off as a fool and a mirror image of your counterparts over at DKos. You might want to trade some of those degrees you claim to have for a bit of common sense.

  17. #117
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, GaijinBob said:

    Rusty said:

    What Mrs. Obama said was puzzling and I’m sure that if she stopped to think about it, there would be plenty of things that she would say she’s proud of.

    But that’s just the problem, isn’t it? She didn’t stop to think about it, but rather went with her instinct. And among the far left, hatred of all things American is so deeply instictual.

    CarpiJugulum
    said:

    Things to not be proud of in Mrs. Obamas lifetime.

    Ah, she said adult lifetime. So to be fair, we should only include things since she became a legal adult in 1982. The first thing that came to my mind was, she’s not proud of all the aid we sent to the tsunami victims in Thailand and around the Indian Ocean in 2004?

  18. #118
    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, Mister P said:

    Well he did say he wants kids to have every opportunity he had.

    Here’s a link to his old high school - the tuition page…

    Pretty high, but I will say that the public schools in Hawaii are just terrible. We actually got together a paid for a girls tuition at St.Elizabeth to get her out of the public schools. My nephews went to Damien.

  19. #119
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, mom2jack said:

    This is not the first dumb comment I’ve heard from her, nor will be it be the last. And of course the only outlets that publicize these comments are talk radio or bloggers like MM. Everytime she opens her mouth she’s whining about hard her life is.

    Again, you and your husband are very lucky - successful, wealthy, you have a lovely healthy family, and you live in a country where you can freely speak your mind. Why don’t you learn to appreciate it?

  20. #120
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, right_on said:

    If all the “unhappy” leftists in this country really wanted “change,” and truly wanted to move the US in the right direction, perhaps they would be willing to leave, en masse, and leave the U.S. for good.

    That would be a GOOD CHANGE. Not only would they help the United States become a better country, their absence would provide jobs for millions of the “happy” citizens left behind, and all those poor illegal immigrants that they so soundly embrace, as well.

    I am sure most of the world’s socialist utopias would welcome them with open arms, as they would only strengthen their political ideology. How happy would they be in Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Spain, Italy, Russia, Serbia, Angolia, and other places whose leadership they love and align with so much?

  21. #121
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, geminicontender said:

    I suppose then is that she’s not proud of our First Black President! Poor Bill and all his worthiness.

  22. #122
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, foxforce91 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 10:09 am, Rusty said:

    Patriotism isn’t being proud of your country unless it turns into something completely different either. That’s what you numbskulls don’t understand. I can name many, many things I’m proud that my country has done and how it has bettered itself, if you can’t, then plain and simply you are not patriotic, period.

  23. #123
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, dartagnans_blade said:

    Bottom line here is that in “certain company” this comment would not only be perfectly reasonable and accepted but some would even cheer….see her audience. It really doesn’t matter whether or not she means it.

  24. #124
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, dakine said:

    I’ll go ahead and dutifully play my role as a-hole lawyer polemicist in an effort to keep it just a little real and attempt to counteract the demagogery of the echoe chamber that is this thread. Here goes:

    Also, the video cut Michelle has posted here has been tampered with or it’s a bad recording. When I watched the C-Span video in it’s entriety the word “really” isn’t cut off like it is here.

    It’s disappointing to see a high quality and quantity columnist, blogger and excellent contributor to Fox News like Michelle Malkin post this video without any context at all.

  25. #125
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, huggybear said:

    We have a bounded DUTY to “nitpick” everything she says to determine exactly what kind of persons would be occupying the White House.

    If your DUTY is to nitpick everything she says, you’re not doing a very good job of it by picking a single sentence out of a 30+ minute speech and ignoring the rest.

    You might want to think about quitting your day job. I’m guessing her calendar is pretty full for the next couple months. And I’ll bet there’s a backlog of work for you to catch up on. Now get to work!

  26. #126
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, dartagnans_blade said:

    olympian2008 said

    It’s disappointing to see a high quality and quantity columnist, blogger and excellent contributor to Fox News like Michelle Malkin post this video without any context at all.

    Context? Enlighten us please

  27. #127
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, dartagnans_blade said:

    Context? Enlighten us please

    See my first post up above with all the details (and video link at C-Span). Michelle Obama referred to our country as a ‘great nation’ in this speech.

  28. #128
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, ajmontana said:

    omg, Signed up with McCain yesterday, someone please call hell and see if it’s freezing over, dakine and I have more in common than I ever would have dreamed of. 8)

  29. #129
    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, olympian2008 said:
    Michelle Obama referred to our country as a ‘great nation’ in this speech

    Also, the video cut Michelle has posted here has been tampered with or it’s a bad recording. When I watched the C-Span video in it’s entriety the word “really” isn’t cut off like it is here.

    I suppose you can look at the “great” nation from many angles.

    China is a great nation (population, size) - unless you take human rights into account.

    To make reference to the USA as a great nation is a no-brainer. To say for the first time in her life she is really proud of her country is just nonsense. Also, “hope is making a comeback”? Because of BO? Where has hope been? And putting the farmer in Iowa in the same boat with people on the south side of Chicago is just pandering.

    The glitch on the word really is just something that happens. If you have watched as many videos at Hot Air as I have, you would see plenty of audio burps. Now who is nit-picking?

  30. #130
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, ajmontana said:

    way OT-
    This is beyond off topic, but if any of you have a walgreens nearby all Valentines candy is 75% off and they have the good stuff. better hurry though.

  31. #131
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, olympian2008 said:

    On February 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, On-my-soap-box said

    I suppose you can look at the “great” nation from many angles.

    China is a great nation (population, size) - unless you take human rights into account.

    To make reference to the USA as a great nation is a no-brainer. To say for the first time in her life she is really proud of her country is just nonsense. Also, “hope is making a comeback”? Because of BO? Where has hope been? And putting the farmer in Iowa in the same boat with people on the south side of Chicago is just pandering.

    The glitch on the word really is just something that happens. If you have watched as many videos at Hot Air as I have, you would see plenty of audio burps. Now who is nit-picking?

    Don’t be lazy. Watch the video. She said that we are a great nation because of how we assist poorer nations. If you watch this video in it’s entirety and come away saying she was dissing this country then you are dishonest. It’s obvious she wasn’t.

    The clip that has been cut from her speech can make it seem that way though.

  32. #132
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, MrVIBEMAN said:

    She stated in the video that her reasons weren’t ‘Just because Barack has done well..’

    She knew exactly what she was saying…and it’s just what THAT audience wanted to hear, which is why she said it.

    She’s an ingrate.

  33. #133
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, Sunshein said:

    She stated in the video that her reasons weren’t ‘Just because Barack has done well..

    What did she mean exactly by … Barack has done well … Is she saying he has done well by passing lots of helpful bill in the Senate? Or, that he has made lots of money in private practice in addition to the perks as a Senator? Or, his fund raising, speech making and image as a healing savior is beyond her expectations? Or, that he has done well in getting her into a prospective first-lady position?

  34. #134
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, petergwynne75 said:

    Fortunately, conservative talk radio host Mark Levin isn’t part of the mainstream media establishment, and on his program Monday, said what most press representatives would if they had any spine, and didn’t behave like shills for the Democrat Party.

    “What do you mean for the first time in your adult life you’re proud of your country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because you think people are hungry for change? Have you suffered? Have you suffered, ma’am? I’m tired of people putting down this country. I’m tired of people pretending that this is still pre-slavery, pre-segregation, pre-internment. That we’re in a depression. I’m sick and tired of people ignoring the enormous progress we’ve made in this country and sacrifices one generation after another have made to make this a more perfect country. I’m sick and tired of it. [...]

    I don’t give you a pass. You finally have hope for this country? Well, that’s somebody else’s kids over there, fighting and dying so you can go to an Ivy League school, so you can send your kids to a private school, so you and your husband can have your day in the limelight, and to make millions of dollars. Stop putting down my country! Stop putting down my country when there’s so many great people doing so many great things so you can have it all, so we all can have it all. No more pandering. Enough is enough. This may work with the radical left, but it doesn’t work with me, and it doesn’t work with most Americans.”

  35. #135
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    She said that we are a great nation because of how we assist poorer nations

    She couldn’t be proud of this? This has been going on even before she was born. She is being a little disingenuous isn’t she? Isn’t that what this thread is all about?

    I did watch the video. I can pick that thing apart if I wanted to. I picked a few things I found lacking i.e. farmers in Iowa/SS Chicago persons, hope is making a comeback. I watched the clip you decided was tampered with. I posted some comments from the short clip that most people will watch. I haven’t enough time to poke holes in the entire speech. What I gain is BO is not the “hope” she proclaims him to be. I am not fooled by her speech. She does not speak for me or about me. My hope is not in BO (or McCain either). If this is what we have to hope for, we are doomed.

    P.S. did you watch the clip I posted?

  36. #136
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, cpodug said:

    Easy, there soap - have you taken your blood-pressure medication today? Hate to see you have a stroke over this. There are, after all, more important things in the world than pointing out the obvious to the oblivious.

  37. #137
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, letget said:

    Message to Ms. BHO,
    I hope you continue to open your mouth and let the voters know what you and hubby really think of America. I also hope the clinton machine gets as much info. on you two to crater your chance as ‘first lady’. You are discusting. In my wildest imagination would I ever think of you as ‘first lady’, almost as bad as bc as ‘first male’.
    L

  38. #138
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, TexasTiger said:

    I’ve got four words to cleanse the aftertaste of Michelle Obama’s bile from everyone’s palate: First Lady Cindy McCain

  39. #139
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    cpodug

    I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue!

  40. #140
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, cpodug said:

    Airplane!

  41. #141
    On February 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm, Chard402003 said:

    Seems everyone is analyzing thia as if there was real content. Just like everything else coming out of the BO campaign, its just good sounding fluff with no substance. She didn’t think about what the words mean, so long as they amounted to good sounding fluff.

  42. #142
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, lgm said:

    DON’T QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM!

    Maybe you’ll learn something from this. If you don’t want your patriotism questioned, don’t question mine.

    Wasn’t there a rule of a certain color about this? The red rule? The blue rule? The silver rule?

  43. #143
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    HAHAHHAHHAHHHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA

    AHHHH

    We are all going to learn something from lgm.

    Pay attention everybody.

    Go ahead lgm - teach us something!

  44. #144
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, max said:

    and let us not forget that other classic MO-ment when talking about her baby daddy on 60 minutes…
    “He is a black man in America. He could be shot anytime he stops to get gas at a service station.”

    this is an angry misguided and racist woman….

  45. #145
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, Rational Thought said:

    Barack Obama – like Hillary Clinton and just about every other leftist – is NOT who he wants us to believe he is. They are engaged in an elaborate charade, and every once in a while – like this quote from the Mrs. – we get a glimpse inside. It’s like when Hillary Clinton said “I’ll take the oil company profits….” Every once in a while we see who they really are — who they will be when they govern — and we should all be scared as hell. A lot of folks watch Obama and see all this hope and optimism. I watch him and I see such transparent fiction that I truly cannot believe anyone is falling for it. His wife, with less experience in front of a mic, just isn’t as skilled at the charade as he is. She forgot, for just a moment, that they have a fictitious narrative going that they must adhere to until after Nov. 4. With people like Barack Obama and his wife, the name of the game is NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHO YOU REALLY ARE AND WHAT YOU REALLY THINK.

  46. #146
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, DanMan said:

    lgm, I think you are refering to the “Don’t feed the troll” rule. Get hungry you tool.

  47. #147
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, itzWicks said:

    I’m sadly not surprised by Mrs. Obama’s statements. That said, I am prepared not to care as it is her husband who is running for President and not her.

    Their collective lack of pride for the US (as demonstrated by refusal to salute the flag, raise hand over heart, etc.) is problematic for me. I may not like all aspects of a McCain candidacy, but at least I don’t have to worry about where his sentiments lie in regard to his nation of birth.

  48. #148
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, whysoangry said:

    olympian2008, I think we got it. You’ve done your duty and the high command may summon you for more someday.

  49. #149
    On February 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, emjem24 said:

    All I could do was shake my head when I heard this. I had a feeling that sooner or later this woman would open her mouth and insert her foot. She is a prime example of what is wrong with the black community. How long can you continue to blame your problems on poverty, drug addiction, and racism unless you make an attempt to change your life? It’s really sad how people just suck up the hot air the Obama’s continually produce…

  50. #150
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, terrig said:

    Michelle Obama is about 6 weeks older than I am. While she was at Princeton I was in the US Army, when she was at Harvard Law, I was at a State run university. There is much to be proud of in our country but as usual the ingrates can see nothing but darkness. She makes more money in a year than my husband will see in 3 or 4 years and more than I would see in 5.
    LGM I question your patriotism every single day. You are a person who hates everything about America that is good, you despise the military and those who serve/d in it, you do nothing but whine and complain about your “rights”. You indoctrinate students in your classroom. Scary thing OMS is that this clown is a college prof. Scary isn’t it?
    As for Renee and all the other new trolls, you’re all good for a laugh just as the regular crew is.
    I saw the video and you can try to spin it anyway you want. She’s not proud of this country. Cuba is a nice spot.

  51. #151
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, SHoward said:

    Come on, terrig, let it all out….Tell us how you really feel….

  52. #152
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, navywife91 said:

    I have listened to various points of view on tv and radio and have read this entire thread. I don’t need to listen to Mrs. Obama’s entire speech because that sentence says it all. She chose her words poorly. As an educated woman who seems to have everything in this world going for her, I suppose I expect more.

  53. #153
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pm, TexasTiger said:

    From the Newsweek cover story:

    The three of them (Michelle and her friends) talked often about the racial divide on campus—especially how white students they knew from class would pass them on the green and pretend not to see them.

    By her own admission, Michelle Robinson was obsessed with race since her early twenties. Moreover, she was self-pitying and paranoid.

    I suspect little has changed in her soul since then.

  54. #154
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, Barry F. said:

    Well. Well.

    Wouldn’t she just be a wonderful first lady? *blech*

  55. #155
    On February 19th, 2008 at 5:49 pm, navywife91 said:

    The three of them (Michelle and her friends) talked often about the racial divide on campus—especially how white students they knew from class would pass them on the green and pretend not to see them.

    Funny, but my high school freshman describes the same situation happening now and it has nothing to do with race. Some people are just snobs. I guess if you look hard enough for something, you’ll be sure to find it.

    Oh, and I bet the girls she claims ignored her and her friends on campus were probably Dems.

  56. #156
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm, rooster said:

    Why would we expect Obama to be proud of the USA? The Obama’s church of 20 years is a black separatist church pledging it’s allegiance to Africa first. When the silent majority stops putting up with this racial segregation and disharmony preached in many black churches we may be able to unite….as Americans. Not African-American, Latin-American, Asian-American, but united as AMERICANS!

  57. #157
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm, lgm said:

    terrig said (#150):

    Michelle Obama is about 6 weeks older than I am. While she was at Princeton I was in the US Army, when she was at Harvard Law, I was at a State run university.

    Bottom line: she’s smarter than you. (I don’t usually insult threaders but I’ll make an exception here).

    She makes more money in a year than my husband will see in 3 or 4 years and more than I would see in 5.

    That’s meritocracy. Suck it up (another phrase I wouldn’t normally use here).

    LGM I question your patriotism every single day.

    That’s a bad habit. How do you feel when someone questions your patriotism?

    You are a person who hates everything about America that is good, you despise the military and those who serve/d in it,

    I never said this. You’re angry that I disagree about Iraq. Pulling out does not mean disrespecting the soldiers. Staying in is getting them killed for nothing, hardly a sign of respect.

    you do nothing but whine and complain about your “rights”.

    Don’t you know, respect for rights is a big part of what makes America great. Not just yours and mine, but at Gitmo, in police stations, etc. America created the concept of God given rights — We hold these truths … They belong to all people, not just Americans.

  58. #158
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:31 pm, SHoward said:

    Actually lgm, there are a lot of people that went to Ivy League schools that aren’t all that smart. Many on the left consider GWB quite the idiot, yet he went to one.

    Sometimes people are more lucky than smart. Not always, but it has been known to happen…cough..cattle futures….cough…cough..

    Point taken about a meritocracy. We do actually live in one, largely. But again, plenty of people out there hold positions for which they aren’t quite qualified.

  59. #159
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, navywife91 said:

    On

    February 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm, lgm said:
    terrig said (#150):

    Michelle Obama is about 6 weeks older than I am. While she was at Princeton I was in the US Army, when she was at Harvard Law, I was at a State run university.

    Bottom line: she’s smarter than you. (I don’t usually insult threaders but I’ll make an exception here).

    So, I guess terrig is like one of those stoopid people who got stuck in Iraq because she wasn’t smart enough to do anything else? Thanks Sen. Kerry.

  60. #160
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:41 pm, navywife91 said:

    Don’t you know, respect for rights is a big part of what makes America great. Not just yours and mine, but at Gitmo, in police stations, etc. America created the concept of God given rights — We hold these truths … They belong to all people, not just Americans.

    You’re right about one thing, our country is great. But the day we afford terrorists, who would saw our heads off just as soon as look at us, the rights we have as Americans is the day this great country is in serious trouble.

  61. #161
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm, SHoward said:

    I wonder just how strongly lgm might feel about the rights of one of these animals we’re fighting if it were standing in his living room looking at his family.

    Might be kinda hard to get all broken up about his rights….

  62. #162
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, Jim M. said:

    Before I respond, I have to wipe some lgm off of my shoe. That was a pretty loathesome and uncalled for attack on terrig, but I suppose one should expect no less from creatures from the deep.

    There were many people that went to Ivy League Universities not based on merit nor academic achievement but rather based on racial preserences in the name of affirmative action and based on family connections.

    In one of her interviews, MO noted that she was told by her friends and others that she did not have the grades to get into Princeton. If she did not have the grades, how do you suppose she got there?

    As for metitocracy, MO was hired in her new position AFTER her husband became a US Senator. And the position she holds there of community outreach director is one of those jobs that are more oriented to “progressiveism” than to adding to the bottom line.

    And finally. lest we forget, BO ingratiated himself into the Chigcago Dailey clan to launch his political career. Anyone who has any inkling about Chicago politics knows how that machine works, and how “opportunities” are created out of thin air based on the right political connections. Merit has nothing to do with it.

    Yes, this country that shamed her advanced her education and career by unfortunately taking opportunities away from more qualified candidates. Maybe what bothers her is that two wrongs never make a right. Nah…

  63. #163
    On February 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm, SHoward said:

    Ya’ll know, Jim M. brings up a great point. I hadn’t realized that M.O. had not gotten her cush job until after hubby got his.

    Kinda reminds me of another “meritorious” wife that got a cush job after her charismatic hubby won an election.

    the day Bill C. was elected AG of Arkansas, Hillary was hired at Rose. When he was elected Governor, she made partner. Even she isn’t that good.

    Since Obama comes from Chicago politics, it might just be close to the mark to say maybe she didn’t earn it.

    Just speculatin’, here…..

  64. #164
    On February 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    This wasn’t a gaffe. It wa a true reflection of the liberal mindset that really despises America and everything it stands for - freedom, prosperity and real hope. If these people somehow make it to the white house, then shame on every American.

  65. #165
    On February 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, JWS said:

    A gaffe? Uh, no. This is exactly the way “they” think: this country stinks and this country owes. Nothing more and nothing less…

  66. #166
    On February 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Gaffe my pimply butt!

    Michelle Obama is a lawyer, and words are the tools of their craft. The only people that are more precise in their language might be English majors. She is not some tongue-tied housewife.

    So we come to one conclusion: either she is a lousy lawyer, or she said exactly what she meant.

    I favor the latter. Maybe the truth really will set us free…..

  67. #167
    On February 19th, 2008 at 8:45 pm, derel3433 said:

    uncanny resemblance to another Michelle we know and love.

  68. #168
    On February 19th, 2008 at 8:50 pm, jsr said:

    Everybody makes gaffes now and then. However before this we have been informed we have a compassion deficit and that our souls are broken. Were those gaffes too? Sound like typical liberal dissing of America to me. Maybe she will be proud of the USA when a compassionate government can fix my broken soul.

  69. #169
    On February 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pm, TexasTiger said:

    C’mon, lgm. All you have to do is pick up the Newsweek in the facuty lounge and read the cover story.

    She did well in school (she skipped second grade), but she was not at the top of her class. She didn’t get the attention of the school’s college counselors, who helped the brightest students find spots at prestigious universities. “Princeton, the Ivy Leagues swoop up kids” like Craig, Michelle says. “A black kid from the South Side of Chicago that plays basketball and is smart. He was getting in everywhere. But I knew him, and I knew his study habits, and I was, like, ‘I can do that too’.” Some of her teachers told her she didn’t have the grades or test scores to make it to the Ivies. But she applied to Princeton and was accepted.

    Michelle Robinson was an affirmative action admission. The stats–and her teachers–say she wasn’t as bright as many who were denied admission to Princeton, despite superior test scores. But she did marry well.

  70. #170
    On February 19th, 2008 at 9:39 pm, almeehan said:

    It would be instructive, for them, if lgm, Rusty & Olympia et al would change their residence to Zimbabwe or Laos or something similar. Anyone who feels our country is not working to better itself, is really not part of this country. They are the problem which needs to be made “better.”

  71. #171
    On February 19th, 2008 at 10:11 pm, garyt said:

    LGM I do question your patriotism because you want to loosely gamble away your liberties and hand them over to Muslim law. I assure you that you would not like Muslim law induced here. They have no women’s rights, homosexual rights, and not many rights at all. Some of us can see the danger looming and thats why we seem radical to you in our love for our nation. Another point is that the USA armed forces never invaded North Vietnam and it only helped an alley at the time which was South Vietnam. During that war The US helped the South in fighting off a a Northern Aggression. If the opposite happened and the South Vietnamese invaded North Vietnam and trying to overthrow its communist regime I don’t think Hanoi would have put up with it or the rest of the liberal world.

  72. #172
    On February 19th, 2008 at 10:38 pm, purplepeep said:

    TexasTiger said:
    I’ve got four words to cleanse the aftertaste of Michelle Obama’s bile from everyone’s palate: First Lady Cindy McCain

    Well, TexT, she did have this by way of a response today (CNN) :
    “As she introduced her husband John McCain, the likely Republican nominee, at a campaign event, Cindy McCain told the crowd I “am proud of my country. I don’t know about you, if you heard those words earlier — I am very proud of my country.”

    If the Obamas provide a constant flow of such foot-in-mouthisms it will make McCain’s task easier.

  73. #173
    On February 19th, 2008 at 10:40 pm, purplepeep said:

    On-my-soap-box said:
    I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue!

    I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.

  74. #174
    On February 20th, 2008 at 2:23 am, dakine said:

    Silly thread filled with enough demagoguery to fill Fenway (how ’bout those Sox aj?), but low and behold, all questions regarding soap box’s lack of intellectual horsepower are finally answered by his admission that he was once a glue sniffer.

  75. #175
    On February 20th, 2008 at 3:09 am, Prime Director said:

    DON’T QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM!

    Wasn’t there a rule of a certain color about this?

    Yes, its called the pinko rule : )

    Its generally invoked by some twit burning a flag or spitting on a soldier.

  76. #176
    On February 20th, 2008 at 3:21 am, dakine said:

    Demagogue much Prime?

  77. #177
    On February 20th, 2008 at 3:55 am, Prime Director said:

    Leading up to that video clip you posted she was talking about the bar being raised for Obama’s campaign as they succeeded during each step they have taken so far, like so many people getting involved at the grass roots. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS REALLY SO PROUD FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER LIFE!

    B.S.

    If that was so, she would have said “I’m really proud of our campaign for the first time” instead of saying “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country”

    She admits that before her husband embodied a movement (yeah, its a “movement” alright,) she had no pride in her country, and that’s pretty damn narcissistic. To interpret her words any other way, you’d have to be either stupid or high on drugs.

    High on drugs… like Barry O.

  78. #178
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:04 am, Prime Director said:

    Demagogue much Prime?

    Rhetorical questions are such a passive-aggressive way of delivering an editorial, dakine.

    Please grow a pair.

  79. #179
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:28 am, olympian2008 said:

    On February 20th, 2008 at 3:55 am, Prime Director said:

    B.S.

    If that was so, she would have said “I’m really proud of our campaign for the first time” instead of saying “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country”

    She admits that before her husband embodied a movement (yeah, its a “movement” alright,) she had no pride in her country, and that’s pretty damn narcissistic. To interpret her words any other way, you’d have to be either stupid or high on drugs.

    High on drugs… like Barry O.

    Nice third place finish tonight. McCain finished behind Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama in Wisconsin. Well done!

  80. #180
    On February 20th, 2008 at 6:56 am, Prime Director said:

    Nice third place finish tonight. McCain finished behind Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama in Wisconsin. Well done!

    Regarding Wisconsin, McCain’s nomination is already a fait accompli. Nothing was going to be decided for the CONS at the ballot box in Wisconsin, so a low turn-out is no suprise.

    Hillary and Obama, on the other hand, have been fighting it out tooth-and-nail for the RAT nomination, so a high turn-out makes sense, given the stakes.

    That has nothing to do with the point of contention on this thread, however. Your position on Michelle Obama’s remarks was untennable anyway. I don’t blame you for changing the subject.

    If you can’t see the truth about Michelle Obama’s remarks, you’re probably as high on cocaine as Barry O.

  81. #181
    On February 20th, 2008 at 10:35 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 20th, 2008 at 2:23 am, dakine said:
    Silly thread filled with enough demagoguery to fill Fenway (how ’bout those Sox aj?), but low and behold, all questions regarding soap box’s lack of intellectual horsepower are finally answered by his admission that he was once a glue sniffer.

    Oh, ouch. A troll insulted me.

    Talk about your lack of intellectual horsepower, cpodug got the reference - Airplane.

    Soap never sniffed glue or did drugs. I left that for hippie types like you who pretend to be intellectual. In your case, the dead brain cells work in your favor.

    Great post BTW.

  82. #182
    On February 20th, 2008 at 11:45 am, dakine said:

    Try this then Prime: you are a demagogue. Check that. You are a dull demagogue. Active aggressive enough for ya brah?

    box, you’re inability to make a remotely lucid and cogent point in any thread appearing on this site is unfailingly consistent. You do have that going for you, which is nice.

  83. #183
    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Oh, ouch. The same troll who insults me at every turn did it again. What is that, a dozen times in the last 4 months?

    I missed the part where this thread is about insulting me and your ability to use a dictionary to TRY and make people think you have a bit of intelligence.

    Now, go play with lgm under your bridge.

  84. #184
    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, dakine said:

    How ’bout this box. I posted a couple of substantive comments in this thread regarding my thoughts on this non-controversy (also pointing out that I disagree with Obama on most of his policy positions and that I am a McCain supporter). You, on the other hand, do your usual dance, which is to make some dopey and unoriginal comment that adds nothing to the discussion. I challenge you to actually make an original point on this issue. Silly “troll remarks” and lame attempts at humor don’t count.

  85. #185
    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, SHoward said:

    How about this, Dakine.

    Over on Drudge, Barry Obama is said to be trying to spin his wife’s comments. Apparently, he realizes how silly they are.

    That means your analysis is in error. Yet you cannot seem to find anything of substance that Soap has said that is in error.

    This makes you the, dare I say it, TROLL.

    Run along, Troll-la-la…..

  86. #186
    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, dakine said:
    How ’bout this box. I posted a couple of substantive comments in this thread regarding my thoughts on this non-controversy

    I like the first thing you said concerning substantive comments:

    “I’ll go ahead and dutifully play my role as a-hole lawyer”

    Add a little:

    “which is to make some dopey and unoriginal comment that adds nothing to the discussion”

    Plus some:

    “soap box’s lack of intellectual horsepower are finally answered by his admission that he was once a glue sniffer”

    Equals:

    You are an idiot!

  87. #187
    On February 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, amboytimes said:

    Michelle Obama may be taking all the heat for her stupid gaffe, but I blame the MSM. The Obama’s are clearly not ready for prime time, but the MSM has allowed Obama to drone on about hope for six months without question. So they shouldn’t be surprised when it blows up in their face. It’s the press corps job to clear out the deadwood as early in the race as possible, but it hard to do that while waving a pennant.

  88. #188
    On February 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, RaisedRight said:

    I posted a couple of substantive comments in this thread regarding my thoughts on this non-controversy… I challenge you to actually make an original point on this issue.

    Aw, come now dakine… calling yourself an a-hole really isn’t all that original.

    [Dakine - I know, you were challenging Soap not me.
    Soap - Sorry, I know you don't need anyone to speak for you.]

  89. #189
    On February 20th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    RR

    It’s okay. Thanks!

  90. #190
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, dakine said:

    Touche box…that was friggin’ brilliant. You must be some kind of genius.

    RR, this guy needs all the help he can get, so please jump to his defense anytime you’re feeling magnanimous.

  91. #191
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, emjem24 said:

    Dakine:

    Just a hint: I don’t mean to be the spelling/grammar police on the blog but you may want to actually self-edit before insinuating that Box or those that “disagree” with you are “less inteligent” or “less argumentative” as you. This assertion is idiotic… and, well troll-like.

    Perhaps, you’ve underestimated, Dakine, that many of us have run through the far left troll gauntlet that can be the blogosphere. Your ideas are disengenuous and illusive at best. You will be called on them as have others such as lgm, who is the more typical hit-and-run troll.

    At least be honest in your perspective. To say Michelle Obama is an innocent is to say Bill Clinton treated Monica Lewinsky like a daughter. You’ve insulted folks who disagree with you because their comments don’t fit your world view.

    I also do not appreciate the comments of folks like lgm who treat this blog like a social experiment to see how many bloggers can get mad at him (or ignore him- his profile alone is enough of a turn off, sort of like Ms. Obama’s speech). If he teaches Math the way he conducts himself on this blog, he would never get a lesson done.

    Please learn the difference between your and you’re. I let it pass most of the time but when posters like you, dekine, puff up your banter skills
    like you actually contribute much, then I don’t. The only blog demagogue on here is you. Oh, and you criticizing Gabe is really hilarious.

    I’m not stepping on your toes, Box, am I? I also know Dakine is raggin’ on ya, not me. Carry on, brah …what the heck is that, anyways, Dakine, new troll ghetto slang?

  92. #192
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, emjem24 said:

    Dakine:

    Actually, you need all the help you can get… be careful how deep you sink into that ideological quicksand because nobody may throw you a line to tow you out.

    And no one is defending Box… he can do that all by himself.

    Oh, and please, dakine, let me know when you’ve said something brilliant again. We’re all waiting…

  93. #193
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, dakine said:

    em, thanks for your (or is it you’re?…as I’m sure all of your (?) comments are typo free) very enlightening and constructive post. I feel duly chastised and contrite.

    BTW, my point was not that MO is an innocent. Sen. McCain is my candidate. I’m simply making the argument that this blog post and the comments that followed are in large part disingenuous and factually inaccurate. Also, Gabe’s comments regarding Obama and his ties to radical Islam are patently absurd, and frankly, embarrassing.

    “Troll ghetto slang”? What are your trying to say?

  94. #194
    On February 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, SHoward said:

    Sounds to me like he’s saying you’re a Troll.

  95. #195
    On February 20th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, dakine said:

    SHoward, aren’t you the clever and witty poster.

  96. #196
    On February 20th, 2008 at 6:40 pm, SHoward said:

    Why, thank you, Dakine.

    See Soap, she ain’t so bad. That was a mighty nice compliment.

    Troll-la-la….

  97. #197
    On February 21st, 2008 at 12:00 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    emjem,

    Thanks for yoor kind comments!

    Dakine is suffering with a case of low self esteem. It is the reason he continues to announce “I am an attorney”. That lets you and I know our thoughts and posts are inferior and irrelevant.

    I seem to get under his skin because I am just some stupid redneck with a GED who can hold his own when the Dakine witty vocabulary and insults are unleashed.

    I appreciate you all covering my back. Lets me know I am not a trollish dwarf of a man like some others here (and they happen to know who they are).

  98. #198
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:30 pm, SHoward said:

    Hey Soap, looks like the thicket of Trolls slipped back under their bridges. Do ya think they expired their Three Questions with no luck?

    - a clever and witty poster…

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