Illegal alien van driver arrested in Minnesota schoolbus tragedy

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 21, 2008 06:25 PM

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The local Fox affiliate in the Twin Cities finally confirms what the local papers didn’t seem to want to mention about the horrible school bus accident that killed four children. It didn’t have to happen:

Authorities have confirmed that the the driver of the van that struck the school bus that killed 4 students on Tuesday is an illegal alien.

Officials at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement are checking to see where she came from and how long she’s been in Minnesota. FOX 9 has also learned that the name she gave to police, Alainiss Morales, is an alias.

23-year-old Alainiss N. Morales was taken into custody on suspicion of criminal vehicular operation. She was arrested by the State Patrol Thursday afternoon and is being held in Lyon County Jail. County Attorney Rick Maes told the Marshall Independent charges could come later Thursday or Friday…The van was driven by Alianiss N. Morales, 23, of Minneota. The Fox 9 Investigator found Morales pleaded guilty in Chippewa County in 2006 to driving without a valid license.

State Patrol officials said Thursday they were not immediately able to confirm if Morales was unlicensed, nor could they confirm whether Morales ran a stop sign. Lt. Mark Peterson said that was still under investigation, but that the investigation was “moving forward very quickly.”

The school bus was carrying 28 students. Cottonwood Fire Chief Dale Louluagie confirmed that 3 fatalities of the crash died immediately upon impact and the fourth victim died around 8 p.m. Tuesday night.

Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. In 2003, the city voted to bar police from asking about immigration status or enforcing immigration laws. The mayor, R.T. Rybak, even asked federal agents to stop wearing vests labeled “police.” St. Paul and Worthington are also sanctuary cities.

Open borders, deadly consequences. When will they learn?

More questions:

What did “Morales’s” employer know about her illegal status and when did the employer know it?

Has she evaded deportation orders? How many?

What didn’t local police ask about her immigration status when she pleaded guilty to driving without a valid license two years ago–and will the parents of the schoolchildren hold officials accountable?

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Read about the four children who died in the crash here.

They were:

* Hunter Javens, 9, Cottonwood.
* Jesse Javens, 13, Cottonwood (Hunter & Jesse were brothers)
* Emilee Olson, 9, Cottonwood
* Reed Stevens, 12, Marshall.

A memorial fund has been set up:

Memorial Fund for Families of Bus Crash Victims
United Southwest Bank
P.O. Box 288
Cottonwood, MN 56229

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  1. #251236
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm, JHSII said:

    Open borders, deadly consequences. When will they learn?

    When they are directly threatened – and then only long enough until they can voluntarily black it out again.

  2. #251238
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pm, desertdweller said:

    Sickening.

  3. #251239
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:35 pm, zorro said:

    Dear God, what a terrible price to pay for political correctness. The mayor and governor should resign immediately.

    May God rest their Souls and comfort their families.

  4. #251240
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:35 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    The state of Mn, where I live, is strongly friendly towards illegals and as Michelle has noted, Minneapolis is a sanctuary city along with St. Paul. The media outlets have long been protective of revealing illegal status of perpetrators and it may soon come home to roost. Well, One can hope anyway.

  5. #251241
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:36 pm, hayroller15 said:

    A cancer that has a cure.

  6. #251242
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:37 pm, right_on said:

    Horrible tragedy, simply horrible.

  7. #251245
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:43 pm, JsinGood said:

    Sadly, I am not at all surprised.

    How many wake-up calls does America need? I’m beginning to think there will never be enough.

  8. #251249
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pm, John Ansell said:

    what the local papers didn’t seem to want to mention about the horrible school bus accident that killed four children. It didn’t have to happen:

    O.K., McInsane wants my vote? He needs to step up and call for a law that makes in mandatory to tell the status of people like this when reporting. Our papers in Souther California go far out of the way to hide the legal status of most perps. It’s disgusting. Step up McCain. Prove to me you’re not the amnesty candidate. Then I might think about voting for his sorry arse.

  9. #251250
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pm, TXRose said:

    Prayers for all of the families but especially for the family that lost 2 sons at once! How
    terrible for all of them.
    Politicians would have you think that this would not have happened if she had been able to get a drivers license. For some reason, they think that will make illegal aliens
    safer drivers. Not.

  10. #251251
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pm, John Ansell said:

    A memorial fund has been set up:

    Every damn amnesty/open border pushers should donate their entire income.

  11. #251252
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:51 pm, brooklyn red said:

    The way I see it, those who voted “to bar police from asking about immigration status or enforcing immigration laws.”, are accomplaces, acting in concert, to 4 homicides.

  12. #251253
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:52 pm, blues said:

    What is it going to take to open our officials’s eyes to the consequenses of the games they are playing?
    Hey Mac,Hill And Barry ,this is who you are pandering to,take a long hard look at it,and then yourselves.
    This give-away of rights,security and sovereignty must be stopped.How many more innocents have to die before the games end?Any time a child dies,it is a tragedy,but when it could have been avoided,it is a travesty.This is truly sickening.

  13. #251254
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:54 pm, DanME said:

    So what does Mr McCain have to say about this situation ?? I hear a big goose egg.

  14. #251255
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:56 pm, John Ansell said:

    Michelle, do you have the ability to request this tragedy to be brought up in the debate tonight???? I’m so mad I could throw this computer across the room.

  15. #251256
    On February 21st, 2008 at 6:59 pm, mngirl said:

    Last nite I caught all 3 local News broadcasts on this story, and not one of them even theorized about her ’status’. Then finally on local (conservitive) talk radio this morning the host was all over the question as to whether or she was illegal, he was trying to find the answers. The State Patrol, no one, was saying anything.

    Good thing it came out this evening; at 7 PM CST the Governor will speak at the memorial service in Cottonwood. I hope some citizens of Cottonwood have a chat with him.

    The Governor -Tim Pawlenty- who is highly rumoured to be a VP Candidate. Lets hope he does something about it, no matter what his good friend John McCain prefers.

  16. #251257
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm, Jim M. said:

    A terrible tragedy, made more so by the fact that it never should have happened.

    To expect people who break the law to get here to follow the law once they are here is not a logical expectation. In fact, it is a thought process that flirts with insanity.

    John McCain has made it very clear that he is not going to be the one to tell a soldier that his illegal alien family member is being deported (a poor example given the statistical odds), but I wonder if he would be willing to call the mother of one of those children killed to break the news to her that her child just died at the hands of an illegal alien.

  17. #251259
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pm, Sailor said:

    I sincerely hope the parents of those children sue every city and school official that had the slightest responsibility for harboring and hiring this illegal alien.

    When will enough of this illegal immigration of foreigners be enough? Not until people in every state start taking pride in their country and citizenship again!! To hell with political correctness!! Force these illegal criminals out by any means available!!

  18. #251260
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:03 pm, rooster said:

    The citizens of Cottonwood should tar and feather the coward Governor. Prayers for the victimized families.

  19. #251261
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pm, handyandy said:

    You are half right zorro. Actually our governor is a pretty good guy. the mayor of Minneapolis is named R.T. Rybak. He is worse than a liberal… he is an AL Gore greenie. He is a liar and cheat who dispises the police, the private sector and religious beliefs. His voting base is government workers and welfare recipients.
    Our biggest problem here is not the illegals from Mexico, it is the Somalians. They hate America and Americans and are here to get all the freebees they can. They wash their feet in the water fountains at schools, disrupt classes, and cost the Minnesota taxpayer a small fortune. Liberals consider me a racist for saying that.
    I consider myself truthful. This is the greatest country in the world. I measure that by the number of people trying to get in here versus how many are trying to get out. Want to come here legally? Fine. Learn our customes, speak English, pay taxes, and accept our culture. if not, stay in the hell whole you came from…. And take Ted Kennedy with you.

  20. #251262
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pm, gippergirl said:

    To hell with political correctness!! Force these illegal criminals out by any means available!!

    Bring it, Sailor!

  21. #251263
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

    Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. In 2003, the city voted to bar police from asking about immigration status or enforcing immigration laws.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    –and will the parents of the schoolchildren hold officials accountable?

    The parents should sue the city, the city council, the mayor, and the police.
    They should also sue the country of origin.

  22. #251264
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pm, John Ansell said:

    And Jerry Spitting Rivers will be donating when?

  23. #251265
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm, gandolphxx said:

    Open borders, deadly consequences. When will they learn?

    ‘They’ will probably never learn, ‘they’ are the PC liberal nitwits that exist in democracies worldwide.

    The cure is to throw them out of office and not let them be part of the bureacracy.

  24. #251266
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm, gippergirl said:

    The thing is, this mess is going to be tied up in our legal system for ages. That illegal alien will be provided with chance after chance to plead her rotten case…am sure the ACLU and the other usual suspects will readily leap to her defense…the parents of those four children don’t get a second chance.

  25. #251268
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pm, John Ansell said:

    Killer claiming to be the victim in 3,2,1…

  26. #251269
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pm, rooster said:

    Drivers license is always the issue with open borders nuts.
    Any citizen, from any country can come here with Their home country’s valid drivers license and use that while they visit our great land. They can even get insurance with this license, but at a much higher price than a citizen with a US license. The pols are always confusing the average citizen about licenses making illegals safer…..BULLS**T!

  27. #251274
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm, gayle said:

    …….Ready……….Aim…….FIRE.

  28. #251279
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm, mngirl said:

    One small good thing, this area (where the accident happened) is represented in the legislature by a very good, very conservative Republican – Marty Seifert http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?district=21A .

    Marty is the Minority Leader in the house (because the liberals won the state house and the senate in 2006). In making something out of tragedy, if anyone can do it, Marty will use this to change some things in State Govt(while our popular Governor was supporting McCain, and our State GOP leader was supporting Huckabee, Marty was a Freadhead early in the recent primary.)

    Also, this accident was in rural MN, 150+ miles from Mpls and St Paul. So Mpls and its liberal Mayor cannot be sued but MM is right about asking all the questions of the employer and especially asking why the State Patrol, or whomever stopped her in 2006 and found she did not have a license, did not question the status then and deport her. That makes it the Governor’s questions to answer.

  29. #251280
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm, deepdiver said:

    Every liberal leaning American parent who is willing to sacrifice the life on one of their children for the economic benefit of an illegal immigrant raise your hand.

  30. #251282
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm, Romeo13 said:

    Hmmm….

    Civil Rights Lawsuit?

    As this city CHOSE not to enforce the law, the plantiffs are not getting Equal Protection Under the Law…

  31. #251286
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm, John Ansell said:
  32. #251290
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:47 pm, TMoney said:

    I guess it’s not worth enforcing the laws to save ‘just one’ life. But our nannies in DC don’t have an issue with trying to overturn the Constitution when it comes to disarming the people they are supposed to serve.

    My sincere condolences to the children and families.
    Riddance to the illegal….

  33. #251295
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm, whysoangry said:

    Minnesota’s ridiculously generous welfare benefits have been bringing illegals here for years. It will be interesting how this gets handled. The governor is a pretty good guy.

    Prayers to the families of these children. And prayers for the young lady too. Illegal or not, drivers license or not, as far as we know she didn’t mean to hurt anyone.

  34. #251297
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Romeo13 re: #30. Lawsuits are good (in some cases) yes, absolutely… my point is that choosing not to enforce the law is in fact breaking the law, & worse conspiring to break the law (conspiracy it self is a crime).

    Criminal prosecutions get peoples attention faster than civil.

  35. #251298
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm, John Ansell said:

    Why so Angry? These children did not have to die. She should have 1, not been here to begin with 2, deported when they found her driving illegally the first time 3, should not have gotten behind the wheel when it was illegal to do so. My curses even out your prayers.

  36. #251299
    On February 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm, gippergirl said:

    Prayers to the families of these children. And prayers for the young lady too. Illegal or not, drivers license or not, as far as we know she didn’t mean to hurt anyone.

    Awwww, so forgiving…Will gladly donate a Bible in her language of choice for her to peruse while she’s in prison thinking about what she didn’t mean to do.

  37. #251313
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm, whysoangry said:

    No, John, they didn’t, and it’s a horrible tragedy. So get your rope and find a tree and the mob will probably cheer. But you’re living in a fantasy if you think it will ever change. If it doesn’t happen with a Republican President, House, and Senate after the public outrage of 9/11, que pasa, amigo.

  38. #251323
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Two brothers killed, and one of them has a twin sister. This is just SO sad, and it didn’t have to happen.

    Doesn’t driving a school bus require a special license? Didn’t anyone even bother to check that tiny little fact? That would’ve blown the door open to the fact this per didn’t have a license to drive AT ALL!

    And we have illegals driving school buses. Unbelievable. It’s one thing to pick fruit, it’s another to drive a bus.

  39. #251326
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm, whysoangry said:

    Gippergirl, may I suggest President Reagan’s diary entry, written while he was in the hospital after getting shot:

    “…But I realized I couldn’t ask for God’s help while I still felt hatred for the mixed-up young man wo had shot me. Isn’t that the meaning of the lost sheep? We are all God’s children and are equally beloved by him. I began to pray for his soul and that he would find his way back into the fold.”

  40. #251327
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm, brooklyn red said:

    “as far as we know she didn’t mean to hurt anyone.”

    Of course she didn’t mean to hurt anyone… she was illegal not hamass. (sp?)

    The point is if you can just waltz in here and accidentally kill a bunch of kids you can just as easily waltz in here & purposely kill a bunch of kids.

    School buses in Israel have more armor than a Brinks truck for a reason.

  41. #251331
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm, whysoangry said:

    BlameAmericaLast, by all accounts the driver of the bus was experienced and conscientious, and the bus company maintained it’s equipment well. The woman in the minivan apparently blew a stop sign, possibly in the glare of the morning sun and hit the bus near the back, tipping it over.

  42. #251333
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm, nbarry said:

    The illegal did not drive the school bus, but the van that collided with it. This is still an outrage.

    May the children rest in peace and their loved ones know no further sorrow.

  43. #251335
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm, brooklyn red said:

    and why don’t school buses have air bags anyway?

  44. #251338
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm, josetheguerilla said:

    What did “Morales’s” employer know about her illegal status and when did the employer know it?MM

    They need to throw the employer in jail, if he knew about it.

  45. #251342
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm, mngirl said:

    #38 : The school bus driver was a hero. As soon as he became conscious he did everything he could to get the kids out, with help then from passersby.

    The minivan with the illegal alien driver that T-boned the bus at the rear axle blew a stop sign intersection at full speed. No morning sun, this was the afternoon, these kids were on their way home from school.

    Understand also, this was out in the middle of nowhere, you can see for miles, there is little other traffic; this was the intersection of two rural highways.

  46. #251343
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm, whysoangry said:

    There was a guy at our local caucus a couple weeks ago that said it was illegal in Minnesota to ask immigration status until after you hired someone. The rest of us thought that seemed far-fetched, but the guy said they had a family business and that’s the way it was. I’m sure we’ll learn more. Nothing surprises me here anymore.

  47. #251349
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm, whysoangry said:

    Yes, it was afternoon. The news report mentioned possible glare of the sun. I misspoke.

  48. #251357
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:28 pm, Renee_VA said:

    Everytime one of these stories comes up…I see McCain and Kennedy…

    and he still doesn’t get my vote.

  49. #251360
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:32 pm, whysoangry said:

    But who, then, Renee? I don’t disagree, but I don’t think I could just not vote. I’ve never missed a vote.

  50. #251361
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm, CC said:

    If the mayor can’t be sued, the parents should find out every individual and agency who can, from the person who made the decision not to question legal status all the way down. They should be sued in their personal capacity as well as professional capacity.

    Four children are dead, for God’s sake, including two brothers. This is more than sickening, more than heartbreaking, it’s criminal, and people and agencies should pay, and pay very heavily.

  51. #251362
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm, brooklyn red said:

    no sun in eyes? was she uh, “impaired”?

  52. #251365
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:35 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    OK,l an illegal driving a van. That makes it better? Sorry about the confusion with the bus vs. van.

    1. This woman shouldn’t be here.
    2. She shouldn’t be driving.

  53. #251367
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm, gippergirl said:

    So why are you so angry?…

  54. #251368
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm, gippergirl said:

    And kindly don’t use the Good Name of Reagan at me…

  55. #251371
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:38 pm, whysoangry said:

    Nobody was calling you out, Blame, just giving you the scoop. Some of us are locals and have been listening all day.

  56. #251378
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm, whysoangry said:

    Strike a nerve, gippergirl? I loved him too.

  57. #251386
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm, bossman said:

    This sort of thing always amazes me. And I hope what I am about to post makes sense.

    Think about this: when sex offenders are released, many do not go back out and commit more sex crimes. However, those who do commit more sex crimes (especially against children) cause us to rush to enact tougher laws and sentencing against sex offenders across the board, in order to not take any more chances; because, says our logic, if they were never released, and were still in prison, the new crime never would have occurred. Our logic then overlooks the fact that sex crimes against children are also committed by those who have never been to prison, and statistics say that more sex crimes are committed by first time offenders than those who have previously served time for them. After all, it’s for the safety of the children, and no expense can be spared.

    Then, many times we also hold elected officials accountable if it is felt they had any hand in the previously lighter enforcement and sentencing by bringing these issues up in local and statewide and even sometimes in federal elections. I mean come on, try running in the face of allegations that you are light on sex offenders, and someone released under your watch harmed more children.

    This is all logical to us, and pretty much everyone agrees, left and right, liberal or conservative, etc. It’s “for the children,” and we must overlook certain statistics, because we do not want to risk the harm of any more children, no matter what.

    That said; apply the same type of logic to illegal immigration. When illegal immigrants come to this country, the majority does not commit crimes, or cause accidents that kill children. However, given that they are “illegal” and shouldn’t be here to begin with, why do we not rush to strengthen immigration laws (just as we rush to strengthen sex crime laws) when an illegal immigrant commits crimes or kills people (especially children) in a car accident? After all, if they were not here to begin with, these children would still be alive, and some crimes would have never been committed.

    However, when it comes to a case like this, it’s suddenly against logic to say “if they were never here to begin with, this would never have happened.” Instead of going after cases like these, and using them to encourage stricter immigration controls across the board, “for the children,” the media and the left suddenly avoids the facts, avoids reporting on the legal status of the person who committed the crime or caused the fatal accident, even in cases where children are involved. The side that is normally parroting “it’s for the children” at ever other opportunity for whatever other cause they can come up with is deathly silent here.

    Yes, it’s true that most crimes and fatal accidents in this country are committed and/or caused by legal citizens; but why are illegal immigrant crimes and fatal accidents held to a different standard than other crimes that would not have otherwise occurred? Suddenly, it’s racist and against logic to suggest such things.

    And again, why do more people not hold elected officials accountable if it is felt they had any hand in the lighter enforcement (like the discouraging of deportation and reporting that comes with sanctuary cities) by bringing these issues up in local and statewide and even federal elections? Why does a large group of non-illegal immigrants suddenly jump up and down and scream “racist” and tell us we don’t make any sense?

    After all, isn’t it “for the children?”

  58. #251398
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:54 pm, whysoangry said:

    boss, it’s only For The Children when it’s a lefty cause. In their playbook, I think it’s between Exerting Absolute Moral Authority and Gerrymandering Districts.

  59. #251406
    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pm, StephC said:

    This is so heartbreaking. I feel so badly for those families. I’ve seen what so many deaths of children at one time can do to a community. And I know that this will impact everyone there for a very, very, very long time. I will be praying for them all.

  60. #251419
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:05 pm, Bhishma said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 8:28 pm, Renee_VA said:
    Everytime one of these stories comes up…I see McCain and Kennedy…

    and he still doesn’t get my vote.

    What is surprising is that McCain and Kennedy still get elected and re-elected. This may upset many Americans but if you think about it what does this say about American electorate? I’ll tell you… American electorate now consists of foreign enemies of America (so what if they took an oath for American citizenship? John Walker Lindh Adam Ghadan and Jose “Mujahir” Padilla are American citizens as well), who were let in by American enemies of America, and we all know who they are.

  61. #251423
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:08 pm, right_on said:

    Just doing a job no American wanted?

    What is the value of 4 young lives?

    What’s the going rate for 4 counts of negligent vehicular homicide?

    Thirty days in jail (home detention), then deportation?

    How about her employer?

    I can’t wait to hear her attorneys defense.

  62. #251434
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm, Papa Louie said:

    whysoangry said:
    Gippergirl, may I suggest President Reagan’s diary entry, written while he was in the hospital after getting shot…

    Reagan may have prayed for his would be assassin, but he didn’t pardon him. He allowed justice to go forward. If one of these children on the bus had been your’s (or if you were capable of imagining that one of these kids was your’s) you would understand why we are angry that this needless tradgedy occurred and why we want justice.

    If someone kills a security guard during a robbery, he’s still guilty of murder even if he had no intention of hurting anyone. If anyone intentionally breaks the law, like driving without a license, that person is responsible for what happens whether intended or not.

  63. #251441
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm, RealImmigrantChick said:

    Does anyone recall that the director of “A Christmas Story” and his young son were both killed by an illegal alien drunk driver in Malibu, CA? I know this happened a while ago, but seems a poignant example (a person who created something killed by a useless ad on top of that illegal perp); It seems that this stuff happens way too often.

  64. #251446
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm, BOB said:

    I’m aways amazed, and dismayed, at the number of people who can find some way to defend someone being in his country illegally, using a false name, lowering the wages and taking the jobs of legal Americans…..and often making demands of the nation and the people they have invaded. Yet, there are still people here who defend them and ask, “why so angry”.

    And then a 100% preventable tragedy like this happens.

    If this attitude is as prevalent as I think it is….game over for the late, formally great USA.

  65. #251447
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm, whysoangry said:

    Papa, I have two of my own. I have a friend that works with a parent of one of these kids. I did offer a prayer for the young woman that apparently caused this and I stand by it.

    I just think it’s too easy to heap all the hate on her, as if she personally opened the borders 40 years ago. I have a lot more for the off-my-meds-everyone-hated-me-so-I’ll-shoot-up-my-school freaks.

  66. #251455
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pm, rooster said:

    #65 you twit. People like you sympethetic to the plight of the invaders and not to our own citizens. The # of deranged school shooters as compared to the costs of the millions of illegals here is a ridiculous statement.

  67. #251457
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm, fred5676 said:

    Last year, after an illegal alien, previously released twice on bail for other crimes because of sanctuary policy, killed 3 young students in Newark, and tried to kill a 4th, NJ finally reversed their sanctuary policy. A machete was a suspected weapon, in addition to a gun.

    In the NEXT TWO WEEKS after the change in policy, the first two arrests because of the change were of illegal aliens weilding machetes in their own immigrant neighborhoods.

    MN – take note.

  68. #251462
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm, whysoangry said:

    String her up, BOB. I think some others here will help.

    There are no borders, there is no enforcement, we’ve jailed our own agents for doing their job, the President I campaigned for and contributed to wants an open border even though his base doesn’t, and he had every reason to seal it but didn’t, and the entire Congress save for a handful of people want an open border.

    She is a symptom of the problems that are beyond any scope we can imagine.

  69. #251470
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm, whysoangry said:

    “twit” rooster? BOB, you might have another helper. Rooster here will kick the stool out and watch her swing.

  70. #251474
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm, sausage said:

    whysoangry – you will soon realise moderate, rational opinions on such subjects are not welcome with most of the mob on here.

    She is a symptom of the problems that are beyond any scope we can imagine.

    Quite. The vast majority of road traffic accidents in this nation are caused by legal residents of the USA.

    What’s the difference between pointing out this womans legal status and the next step – someones skin colour or religion of choice to make a cheap political point?

  71. #251475
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:50 pm, countrybumpkin said:

    I’m sorry that the lives of these children were cut short and for the parents that will never recover from this tragedy, but, it was an accident. I’m sure the driver of the van regrets this and it will haunt her all her life.

    Her immigration status has nothing to do with it.

  72. #251478
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:52 pm, BOB said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:46 pm, whysoangry said:
    “twit” rooster? BOB, you might have another helper. Rooster here will kick the stool out and watch her swing.

    Don’t worry, we’ll give you time to give her a hug before we kick the stool.

  73. #251486
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:58 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    Those of you who keep insisting that ‘immigration status has nothing to do with’ incident such as this – answer this question which is consistently asked by those of us who believe otherwise:

    If she, as an illegal, was NOT in this country – therefore NOT driving that van – would those children be alive today?

    A simple yes or no is the only response you need give.

  74. #251487
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:58 pm, BOB said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm, sausage said:
    What’s the difference between pointing out this womans legal status and the next step – someones skin colour or religion of choice to make a cheap political point?

    Duh….we could start with the fact that she has no legal right to be here.

    Is that some sort of “liberal logic” you’re trying to use on us.

  75. #251488
    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:59 pm, rooster said:

    No twit, I just want the door to hit them in the ass on the way back home.

  76. #251492
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:03 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm, sausage said:
    What’s the difference between pointing out this womans legal status and the next step – someones skin colour or religion of choice to make a cheap political point?

    Your skin color doesn’t defer you from driving a vehicle legally. Your religion doesn’t either. Legal immigration status, however, does – or should.

    Your argument is nonsense.

  77. #251495
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:14 pm, whysoangry said:

    She didn’t have a drivers license either.

    I still offer a prayer for her.

  78. #251499
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm, mngirl said:

    This was a 3 vehicle accident. The Illegal Alien minivan T-boned the rear axle of the bus causing the Bus to careen out of control and topple over onto a pickup travelling in the opposite direction.

    It was the impact of the pickup with the bus that killed the 4 kids, they said they were crushed. So the innocent pickup driver victim has to live with it being his vehicle impact that killed the 4 kids. I would always question myself, could I have done better defensive driving, etc?

  79. #251501
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Why so angry now I know you haven’t clue nor a brain. You’re the problem with this country and the sad thing is you have a right to vote and breed!

  80. #251504
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:26 pm, Pat said:

    Here is another report of another possible illegal-perpetrated crime. first reports said the attacker spoke Spanish, later reports ignored it.
    Victim on Life Support

  81. #251505
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm, BOB said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pm, xler8bmw said:
    Why so angry now I know you haven’t clue nor a brain. You’re the problem with this country and the sad thing is you have a right to vote and breed!

    He’s gone way past any logic into complete nonsense. I smell a troll.

  82. #251509
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm, xler8bmw said:

    LOL BOB!

  83. #251514
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:39 pm, mngirl said:

    Latest update: http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5846242&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

    It says toxicology reports are back:
    Bus Driver – Clean
    Pickup Driver – Clean
    Illegal Alien Minivan Driver – report not released

    The media and police are so funny in any reporting on illegal immigrants, what comes across loudest is what is not said or not released.

  84. #251516
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm, ttevolla said:

    Randy Travis’s Three Wooden Crosses is coming to mind.

  85. #251525
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pm, whysoangry said:

    BOB’s smarter than you are, xler8bmw. I was being a little trollish.

    But am I the problem with this country? I’ve voted for conservatives since my first vote in 1980, and have never missed one, except perhaps a few at the caucus level. I have always contributed to my local conservative candidates as well as those around the country that do things like oppose gun control, support the Minutemen, beat Tom Daschle, and other causes like the Swift Boat vets and Soldiers Angels. I am a lifelong member of the NRA and actively lobbied for concealed carry in Minnesota. I have the hats from many campaign volunteer efforts. My wonderful children attend parochial school so that they aren’t brainwashed and by the government – yet – and they send packages to Minnesota soldiers in Iraq. My son looked the governor in the eye when he shook his hand, and he hugged a fireman that was a bell-ringer for the Salvation Army. I was a charter member of TownHall and PowerLine, and the only reason I wasn’t at President Reagan’s funeral was that I had already returned my rental car and couldn’t figure out how to use the Metro. There is some irony there.

    I enjoy Michelle’s site many times a day and I wish her and all of you the best.

    And I’m still going to pray for this woman.

  86. #251527
    On February 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm, greenfairie said:

    Just causing the fatal road wrecks Americans won’t do.

  87. #251539
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:01 pm, xler8bmw said:

    why so angry I’m not going to say BOB is any more or less smarter than me but, just because you vote conservative doesn’t mean you’re a not a bleeding heart. This is happeneing time and time again. The citizens of this country’s patience and compassion is running out quickly. If this person wasn’t in a country she didn’t get invited to or entered legally this would have been one less consequence of illegal behavior. Sympatheic rhetoric such as yours keeps them coming and staying.

  88. #251546
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm, whysoangry said:

    No, you’re wrong. This country’s patience isn’t running out. The candidates that wanted fences are gone. You don’t see any rockstar crowds around McCain. We are going to lose and we are going to lose big. And we deserve it because we didn’t stick together.

    And I just prayed for her and the kids’ families.

  89. #251553
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pm, xler8bmw said:

    No I’m not wrong! Maybe you should get out of your little hometown and take a look around. I was just at CPAC and everyone has lost their patience and that’s why as a party we don’t back him as a candidate.

  90. #251554
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm, countrybumpkin said:

    I’m not an open borders supporter. I’d like to send all the illegals back and half the legals with them for good measure.

    That said, I’ll stand with whysoangry on this one.

  91. #251560
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:19 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Countrybumpkin explains everything.

  92. #251562
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:21 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Virginia’s attorney general and federal immigration officials yesterday said they are in the process of deporting 171 foreign-born criminal sex offenders, including about 20 living in Northern Virginia.

    “The bottom line is Virginia is not going to be a place where criminal illegal aliens will have any safety,” said Attorney General Robert F. McDonnell, a Republican. “We are going to make sure that those people who come here illegally and violate the criminal laws of Virginia, are detained, prosecuted and deported.”

    Mr. McDonnell, who plans to run for governor next year, said the offenders facing deportation were a mix of illegal aliens and immigrants with temporary legal status.

    “Among the sex offenders we’ve arrested on the street are those convicted of rape, carnal knowledge of a minor, sexual battery, sexual abuse and taking liberties with children,” said Bill Reid, special agent in charge for the D.C. office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

    The state and federal partnership, dubbed “Operation Cold Play,” falls under the umbrella of ICE’s “Operation Predator,” targeting sex offenders across the country.

    “Since [Operation Predator's] inception in 2003, more than 10,900 child predators have been arrested nationwide,” said Vincent Archibeque, acting field director for ICE detention and removal. “Of these arrests, almost 85 percent were noncitizens, and of those noncitizens arrested, more than 5,600 have already been removed from the United States.”

    Mr. McDonnell said the success of “Operation Cold Play” had a lot to do with laws the General Assembly passed in 2006 to improve the state’s sex-offender computer registry, which is operated by the state police.

    That year, lawmakers also added 45 new state troopers to help ensure registry laws had teeth.

    In July, Mr. McDonnell requested state police thumb through the roughly 14,500 names in Virginia’s registry to find all those who were foreign-born.

    State police shared the resulting list of 527 names with ICE to determine which persons were illegally present or “aliens who had committed crimes,” Mr. McDonnell said.

    From that list, federal officials discovered 135 “convicted criminal alien sex offenders” were being held in state prisons or local jails in Virginia, 84 had already left or been deported and 36 were walking the streets after having been released by the Department of Corrections.

    Alexandria had the highest number with eight, Manassas had four, and Woodbridge had three.

    Mr. McDonnell said the state should soon have additional tools to arrest criminal illegal aliens, thanks to a bill Delegate David B. Albo, Fairfax County Republican, is pushing that would require local jail or correctional facility officials to check the immigration status of every foreign-born national in custody.

    In addition, lawmakers are considering a plan that would establish a presumption against bail for illegal aliens convicted of minor crimes.

  93. #251564
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Department of Labor unemployment rates from January show that black unemployment is highest at 9.2 percent, compared to whites and Hispanics.

  94. #251566
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm, whysoangry said:

    Thanks, country.

    So, xler8, explain how we’re going to win again? And by that I mean inaugurate a Republican president in 2009. I’m just not following you.

  95. #251567
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:29 pm, xler8bmw said:

    We’re not…but we will in 2012. When Obama wins we will have another 4 yrs of a Carter administration but, worse and then we will be voted back in again when he make a mess.

  96. #251572
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:35 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    On February 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm, sausage said:
    The vast majority of road traffic accidents in this nation are caused by legal residents of the USA.

    What’s the difference between pointing out this womans legal status and the next step – someones skin colour or religion of choice to make a cheap political point?

    What witless tripe. The illegal here had no valid license. She should not have been in the driver’s seat at all. ALL persons getting licenses in the US have to pass a driving test and a written test of driving rules and regs.. The illegal, having no valid license, passed no such test. There is NO evidence she understood the rules of the road, or even how to safely drive a motor vehicle. Nada. Her situation is typical of illegals. It is NOT typical of legal residents and citizens.

    sausage could just as logically argue that we should not hold accountable a person who gets into an accident while not wearing his required prescription lenses because, hey, people who have normal eyesight get into accidents too!

    As for the claim that it’s unfair to point out the legal status of the perp to make a political point: We’ve been down this road before. *ss-hats like sausage would likely tell us that more citizens are in prison than illegals, w/o acknowledging that illegals make up about 30% of federal prison inmates, while being about 10% of the population.

    Dumb and dumber.

  97. #251575
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:39 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #96 “There is NO evidence she understood the rules of the road, or even how to safely drive a motor vehicle.”

    Spot on this happens we placate to other languages and allow them to take English test in their own language. I don’t know about you but, last time I looked our signs were in English. I had an illegal alien totla my car then try to sue me he lost.

  98. #251580
    On February 21st, 2008 at 11:44 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    I’m actually from MN, and it is very sad. Thanks to everyone on here for your prayers and support.

    I watched WCCO (CBS) local news and there was no mention that she was an illegal alien. She was an unlicensed driver, and according to state stats, they are twice as likely to be involved in a deadly accident.

    The news station did find time to cover the McCain “affair” story as printed by the Times, however.

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