Politicians going native: A photo compilation
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Ok H does it for me. If the “Misses” can sit their with that dumb smile on her face while that …I dont; know what it is…is it a woman?? It looks like the little creature from the Adam’s Family but in black…is that Cousin It? (I forget the name)
emjem,
That is the ONLY pic I can stomach!
Which one bothers me the most?
(I) ALL OF THE ABOVE.
I wonder if O’bummer even cares that spending time with Ludacris is a message to the country at large as to what he’ll do and who’ll he cozy up to as president?
Do you think people care. Just don’t break into their “Dancing” or Idol” with any late breaking news from the POTUS. That would piss them off!
The only picture that really doesn’t bother me is B. All the others scream of dimmitude.
mpChops #99: exactly.
Imagine this: 15th century Europe decides to concentrate on creating one big unified empire on its continent.
15th century Asian nations (China, Japan, Korea, etc.) are in a furious rivalry, spend most of their time at war, and are almost frenzied in their desire to conquer far away territories before their neighbors do.
21st century world. The whole of North America, South America, Australia is populated by Asians, speak Asian languages and Buddhism is the world’s most widespread religion. Everybody wears Asian-style clothing and when politicians of the Asian-cultured USA visit Europe they wear quaint business suits and ties out of diplomatic protocol, because the Europeans are proud of their quirky little dark outfits and funny strip of cloth round their necks.
Western civilization is everywhere, but we don’t necessarily realize it until we think how it could so easily have been a lot less widespread.
How about all except B.
One of my all-time favorites has to be Michael Dukakis trying to show his support of the military in the infamous tank ride photo - that was pre-Kerry Tele-Tubbie suit.
This Obama Turban is for his S.E. Asia Muslim Pilgrimages.
Box,
That picture I linked is the flip-side of Senator Traitor. Here’s a disgusting one. Then there’s this one. Whoever said “a picture is worth a thousand words” really wasn’t kidding.
Box:
Yeah, as I have said before, this election is more about “packaging” then what’s actually in the container. Sad but true and point taken.
Antardus, with all due respect, I think you are now officially missing the point. This is about dhimmitude and propaganda value. It’s about prostration, it’s about submission. US officials can politely decline the Islamic scarf. Pelosi is Catholic. She could respectfully and politely explain that she is not Islamic and would be uncomfortable wearing it. There’s nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of ways to “When in Rome do as the Romans do” in Arab countries other than donning Islamic garb.
But hey, why worry. We’re wearing whatever the hell they throw at us, so what’s the dif bif.
emjem,
Enough with the pics - I’m eating here. LOL!
Those two “people” disgust me.
must.go.puke.now
If wearing a hijab is a sign of devotion to one’s religion (Islam), as its proponents keep saying, then why should non-Muslim women like Nancy Pelosi and the Hildebeast wear them?
Of course, it’s not a sign of devotion to God. It’s a culturally-mandated way to keep women covered up because only in the Muslim world can you find people demented enough to believe that the sight of Nancy Pelosi’s hairdo is enough to drive men into uncontrollable lust. Seriously, that’s the reason why the ROP has given the world hijabs, burqas, chadors, and anything else females over the age of 7 have to wear in public. Because men can’t be held accountable for what they’re wont to do if they happen to see a 10-year-old girl’s pigtails.
The late Oriana Fallaci refused to wear any covering when she interviewed Ayatollah Khomeni. Now that was a lady with guts.
I’d have to say A, based on what I read today.
Obama’s grandfather and father claimed to be Christian and Muslim at different times in their lives, and both were polygamists. Like grandfather, like father, like son? Playing dress-up can lead to the real thing later on–it’s all part of the American Dream.
mpChops,
Let me clarify that last statement of mine.
I know others in the world are emulating us. I know western style clothing and culture is very common.
What I was trying to point out can be summed up (sort of) with something I heard from the debate between Hill and Barry — they both believed we should strive to learn foreign languages. This despite the fact that people all over the world are striving to learn English.
I guess I’d have to point out that I meant to state that even though peoples all over the world are emulating us, there are plenty of bone-heads here that think we should bend over to emulate everyone else. I don’t think we really disagree on the substance of this.
As for the Dhiminitude displayed in the pics above, I still think B is the only one that doesn’t display that. I don’t think B really belongs in the same group.
Hands Down A is the most frightening, because there are so many Islamic issues w/Obama that NO ONE in the media is even asking about.
I find it troubling that Romney can get grilled for months and Obama can skate without even a question.
P.S. All the photos are frightening in that they illustrate just how ill served we the people are by “OUR” public servants.
Schweggie,
“This is about dhimmitude and propaganda value. It’s about prostration, it’s about submission.”
That is the point that he was trying to make. If it’s about prostration and submission, we’ve already won. Again, the president of Iran wears Western clothes on a daily basis.
The head scarf(of a variation of it) isn’t even hardly confined to islamic countries and religion:
Judaism - http://www.tznius.com/images/products/snoodkatya1.JPG
The Amish -
http://www.amishabuse.com/images/amish.jpg
Chileans -http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2006/sep/latin_america/chile.jpg
Etc.
A Japanese businessman in a suit is wearing the uniform of worldwide business. Yes, it may have come from the west, but it is now a universal uniform of business. It’s not the same thing at all. I’m talking about this one-time-only, photo-op capitulation to “traditional garb.” When Laura Bush dons a head scarf while her “hosts” remove theirs, get back to me about it being a two-way street.
To be fair with GW holding hands. That’s normal culture here for men, it doesn’t have the connotations we give it. It’s more akin to a Dad holding his son’s hand.
However…no pics of Chillary swapping spit with Mrs. Ararat?
Oops…Mrs. Arafat. Sorry, long day.
SHoward,
“I guess I’d have to point out that I meant to state that even though peoples all over the world are emulating us, there are plenty of bone-heads here that think we should bend over to emulate everyone else.”
I don’t think that they believe, particularly with their language comment, that we should emulate everyone else. I do think that we as Americans benefit from our cultural dominance in a way that hinders our desire to learn new things. I really don’t see how learning another language could harm the country(which isn’t to say that I don’t think that those that come to this country should be expected to know the language). That actually leads me to another point that ties in with the clothing issue:
When our dignitaries visit another country, they generally don’t know the language that country speaks. I understand that they visit a lot of countries and expecting them to know them all is ridiculous, but how often do we have a president or senators that can fluently speak a foriegn language? Any foreign language? So we go to their country and expect them to speak our language, which they do. The least we could do is dress up in some traditional garb for a few photos.
That’s not emulating the locals as much as its respecting them. Out of respect, we don their clothing and out of neccessity, they speak our language(generally). I think it’s a relatively fair compromise. Especially when you have Americans wearing sandels during visits to the oval office.
A) by a long shot. I had heard that Barak meas lightning in Arabic. It was the name of the winged creature horse that Mohammed
supposedly road in his night flight to Jerusalem. The story is over at Hotair. I guess it could mean that Barak Hussein Obama will wing his way to Washinton to usher in a new age. Calypso Louie Farakan was singing BHO praises over the week-end that should give anyone pause. There is no doubt in my mind that so called moderate and radical Islamofacist
around the world will be dancing in the streets like they were on 9/11 if BHO were to fly to the W.H. Could it get worse? I don’t think so.
Chops, if you pull the lens way out and look at the broadest picture, then sure, fair enough.
But if you zoom in, to specific time frames, specific regimes/governments, my argument applies.
Pelosi is a fine example. She, the Speaker of the House of Represenatives, went on an unapproved trip to Syria, and too happily wrapped up in Islamic garb and had many many pictures taken with Asad. In Syria, where there is no freedom of press, that is definitely going to be used in a fashion that demonstrates American prostration to Syrian government. No?
“When Laura Bush dons a head scarf while her “hosts” remove theirs, get back to me about it being a two-way street.”
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you suggesting that when we visit those foreign countries, we should request that they dress in a way that we desire?
We have to agree that the vast majority of photos taken between Americans and foreigners, regardless of country, has both dressed in Western gear. Since that is the case, I would argue that the exception to that is represented in pictures posted above. Since this is the exception to the rule, it’s safe to say that the street is indeed two-way, and more so, most of the traffic is going in our direction.
Schweggie,
Pelosi’s trip is contentious, and justifiably so. I don’t think it would have been any less contentious without the headscarf though.
I see your argument for the possibly of propaganda, but I think it fails only because so many countries and cultures wear Western clothes. I don’t see how effective the argument would be, even as propaganda. Rather, I think the risk of propaganda is largely outweighed by the risk of offending. In this light, I can see how you may see that as prostrating, but I use my previous example of removing footwear before entering a friend’s home. Yes, removing my footwear can be seen as a form of prostrating, but neither I nor my host thinks of it as so. We simply see it as showing respect for another’s culture/habits(whatever you want to call it).
I can’t be offended by B, since I can’t be sure of the identity of the paleface. Is it Bush the Elder?
Isn’t Picture “B” Muskie when he was running for President? It’s from the early 70’s I think. (I was very young then).
Definitely “A” - I don’t see anything offensive about the rest of them.
A) bothers me most by far.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama doesn’t mind wearing Muslim garb but refuses to wear an American flag lapel pin.
No wonder every Muslim around the world knows that BO smells Muslim, hence the enthusiastic endorsement by Louis Farrakhan.
emjem24 and Soap,
One of the Fonda-Kerry photos you’re discussing is a known fraud. Here’s a link showing you the two photos they combined to make a smear.
Also, photo A is not Obama in Muslim dress. It’s traditional Somali clothing. No big deal.
What is your point? That they do not deserve our ire? Separate or apart, they are disgusting.
Rusty#132,
And your point is?
gunslingerpatriot said:
Aw, Rusty’s no troll. He’s more of a foil.
But anyway, I’m more in the same camp of “none of the above”/when-in-Rome crowd. After all, who goes to the Hofbräuhaus and orders a Coke?
The only really disturbing ones are (C) Peloci for what she was doing at the time (preemptively surrendering to the jihadis) and (H) Bush (groveling to the wahabi oil sheiks).
mpChops said:
Ah, you must have seen my wedding photos
(a blended Christian/Shinto style ceremony).
I bet the Blackhawk Down troops would not have worn this Muslim garb.
I bet there are no pics of Reagan wearing Soviet garb.
Is this when Obama decided he would no longer wear a US flag pin?
Actually, I’m not sure I’d call this pandering to the Native Americans. If I recall, the honor of chief was bestowed upon President Coolidge? by the tribe,and of course, he graciously accepted.
So, in that regard, the tribe might actually might be pandering to the president, not vise versa as in the other photos where the wearer of the garb is not so much the honoree, but the honorer of the host culture.
Jon Cary must be Rusty’s hero.
Point of fact: Unlike today, it was perfectly acceptable for common citizens and leaders to use terms like “Japs” in WWII.
OK, I followed the link - it’s President Coolidge!
I’m not sure why Obama would be dressing in Somali clothing during a visit to Kenya but hey…whatever floats his boat.
corona,
Not only can we not make fun of our enemies, but we cant say their name (Jihad, Islamic fundamentalism, etc.), and we vote for them.
I, like others, also find the pics of the female representatives of our gov’t wearing head scarves to be the most offensive. The woman’s head scarf in the Muslim world is typically used in a way to set women apart automatically as second class citizens. It is a form of submission and subjugation, not just to God as in Judaism, but to Islamic authority. It is the equivalent of one of our government officials visiting say India and being offered traditional peasant caste clothing to wear, rather than upper caste wear.
What GW is doing is equivalent to a foreign leader visiting the US and wearing a decked out stereotypical, easily identifiable cowboy outfit, saying “howdy” and tipping his hat to the ladies. It is playing dress-up with a unique, identifiable aspect of the culture. It denigrates neither guest or host and shows both sides as being good sports.
If our gov’t official were in say Israel (being another culture commented on above where head coverings are typical) and either gender wore traditional head coverings, again I have no issue. There is no cultural stigma within the country against either. Such head covering denigrates no one and shows a gracious guest. Same with removing your shoes in Japan. It is the same rule for everyone and no one is the less within the society because of following the custom.
As to the pic of Obama, I reserve judgment as I do not know enough of the culture or context to have an informed opinion as to whether it is the first or second case I mention above.
Why has this been termed “Somali clothing”?
I prefer Muslim War Lord clothing.
This does not relate to the photos above but during the last debate in Texas, I was watching with some buds and we all noticed at the same time when Obama plagiarized from Jimmy Carter (yes, that Jimmy Carter). At the end of the debate, Obama said: “I want a government that is worthy of its people”. Carter’s signature line from the 1976 campaign was: “I want a government as good as its people”. In the first debate with Gerald Ford, Carter said :”I want a government as good as its people” in his closing remarks. And that exactly where Obama stuck in his stolen remark from Carter. You have to worry about a candidate who is into Jimmy Carter that he steals Carter’s signature (and meaningless) remark. It tells me that Obama will be a president just like Carter (surrender, apology, retreat). I wonder when CNN will show the Carter and Obama clips side by side (answer: It will never happen).
Another thing: If Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a Muslim, why is every single Muslim fanatically rooting for him?
The answer: Because they know he is, and this picture now proves it.
I’m working on an M.A. in Theology, and I have never once seen a quote by Hussein Obama that convinces me he is a Christian. He doesn’t believe Christ is divine, “consubstantial” (the term Catholics use) with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Yes, he believes that Christ was a human Marxist revolutionary that he respects, but he doesn’t believe that Christ was divine. In other words, he is a Muslim.
Let’s see: His wife has never been proud of America in her entire life; he refuses to wear an American lapel pin; he grew up in very Islamic Indonesia; he identifies with foreigners, hence the Muslim garb; his mother married TWO Muslims.
BO is NOT American, and he is one step to being our Commander in Chief. Very scary times.
Gabe#148,
I’m sure you’ve read the statement from BHO’s church. The senior pastor retired recently but, not before he gave Calypso Louie an award.
I have not found that exact quote but as you said it has been attributed to him. I think it may be a philosphical understanding of his writings.
#150 Blind_mule,
The quote is from Vito Corleone in “The Godfather”.
Yes, you are right. My mistake and I still say it is Americans in America, so I still don’t understand what the message is, they are surely not our enemies like the other pics.
The western/European (whatever) suit and tie discussion fascinates me because it appears some dictators use it now as a way to appear somewhat legitmate or respectable.
During WWII a brother’s submarine was bombed into oblivion by Japanese and 2nd brother wounded by them in Okinawa. The Japanese culture began changing after surrender.
The U.N. refuses to enforce human rights violations and we Americans should not act like that’s OK with us.
The only thing scarier than Obama in Muslin dress is Obama on Inauguration Day with his hand on the Bible, and Farrakhan in the front row.
Your probably right, but actually when I read Sun Tzus philosphy on spying I can derive keep your enemies close.
This worries me more than Obama’s attire:
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231
Okay. Someone may have suggested it earlier and I missed it (If you did, please forgive me for missing it) but I think we need a contest, Michelle, to come up with captions for the photos you have on display for us.
My boss holds hands with the local nationals on occasion. It is part of the job in the middle east. So are the man-hugs and man-kisses. If you are accepted by the man, you play the part. That is a requirement for a successful working relationship. My boss will not let a camera be pointed in his direction!!
mpChops #127 -
We’re talking about apples and oranges. You’re again presenting a very broad view, a generalization, to support your point. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about specific times and places. It makes all the difference.
What happened to the level of discourse? I go out to lunch and when I come back, Obama goes from simply prostrating to wearing “Muslim Warlord Clothing” and financing terrorist.
Oh, and thanks for despoiling the mental image I have of my beautiful M1 Abrams tank. Must look elsewhere. Dukakis is, and always was, a buffoon. Putting him in the tank can only hurt the tank.
mpChops#160,
He has gotten a free pass from the press that has scrutinized everyone else with a magnifying glass. It’s time he answers some of these questions about his relationships.
Schweggie,
I beleive that the big picture invalidates the little one in terms of setting rules of behavior. If we are to say that our diginitaries should act a certain way, we should look at the result that it has on the big picture.
We can’t really create an (informal) policy becaused on specific times and places. “Yes, you can try on that traditional garb, unless those clothing make you look muslim”. Especially in this case, where the clothing is worn by muslims and Christians in the region.
Marshall,
What questions has he left unanswered?
And you’re saying he’s gotten a free pass? I disagree. They’re sending reporters to the school that he went to when he was a child. He got chatised for not wearing an American flag pin. He gets criticized for not being Christian enough or at least not the right kind of Christian. He’s had more ad hominem attacks than any other candidate, save Romney.
Sorry, ArmoredCAV. But, every time one of these silly photos threads come up about a politician, I harken back to Dukakis in the M1 Abrams. Nothing against your tank.
mpChops#164,
And your OK with his answers?
That last post didn’t come out quite right.
Let me make it sound more like I meant it…
The prior sounded like I was knocking Michelle’s thread, instead of the politicians.
If this was a Clinton set up, it was very, very clever.
Obama’s people may have underestimated the witch.
Marshall,
I think you’re moving the goalposts a bit. Initially, you said that he didn’t provide answers. Now, it seems that you’re unconfortable with the answers he supplied, acknowledging that he did provide answers.
Again, what questions has he left answered, and seperately, what answers has he provided that you wonder if I accept?
Rusty:
Be that as it may, I can certainly come up with more loathesome displays of Kerry’s traitorous behavior. Spoofed or unspoofed. Take your pick.
It is in my experience that birds of a feather flock together no matter whether or not they were both at the same peace rally.
MpChops, that’ll have to be the line of demarcation then.
I say we can, and should have an informal policy regarding dress, particularly in countries that have been designated State Sponsors of Terror. Darn tootin! No quarter, none. When Syria has a representative democracy, then I’ll think about the headscarf.
What are your thoughts about the NY Philharmonic performing in North Korea? Specific time, Specific place. This only benefits Kim Jung Il. And boy will he use it. This trip will do absolutely zilch in warming relations with North Korea. None. That’s not how fear societies operate, at all. Anyway, this is not attire, but it’s under the same umbrella as giving enemies propaganda gifts.
Authentic picture of Honoi Jane and Swift Boat John together
Well, if he has nothing to hide, then he has no problems. Liberals are treating Obama like a romantic “noble savage” with the charism of infallibility to show the world how enlightened they are. No one is allowed to question the “noble savage,” and he’ll never have to answer a difficult question by the MSM.
President Bush has had to face a lot more ad hominem attacks.
In any case, how are these “attacks” ad hominem (to the person) in Obama’s case? He has had the LEAST amount of scrutiny of any political candidate, probably in American history.
He is being critized for being so above wearing an American pin. How is that ad hominem? That is a policy issue; he evidently feels we should not have pride in America. His wife says she has never been proud of this country in her adult life.
Barack Hussein Obama refuses to discuss his Columbia and New York years and refuses to discuss his Pakistani roommate or any other people he associated with in New York. If he has nothing to hide, why?
Barack Hussein Obama has a lot of questions to answer, not least of all the fact that he was head of a terrorist-supporting organization, as NBF links to above.
Gabe #148
Nicely put…
Barry F,
That’s okay. It takes a lot to make an Abrams look bad! Well, bad-bad. They always look good-bad (as in bad-A$$).
I agree that we should treat countries that have been designated State Sponsers of Terror differently than countries that have not. I’ll give ya that.
Regarding the NY Philharmonic performing in North Korea, I really don’t know the details about that. Personally, I think that it would help the US efforts in North Korea if only because Kim Jung has been portraying the US as being some evil, soul-sucking country and the NY Philharmonic would prove otherwise, further convincing skeptical North Koreans that their leader doesn’t know everything.
And news from North Korea is that their breaking down on their nukes.
mpChops,
Gabe#173 seems to have the same issues.
One that comes to mind here and now is his church’s racist slant. I as, Christian would leave a church that gave an award to L. Farakan for whatever reason.
Yup. It’s all of the above.
Blind_Mule (#172) - Hilarious!
mpChops:
Where has this been suggested? Please divulge. Why are you so sensitive about any “criticisms” regarding this man? Where has he been honest in regards to his policy stances and his background? Why does he belong to what many see as a “black militant” church?
Will you charge “ad hominem” attacks if I called him an empty suit full of borrowed one liners from his buddies Jimmah Carter and Deval Patrick? If you’re in the tank for O’bummer fess up so that we understand your point of view. If you’re not, what’s your point?
And for you to say that this guy has had more “ad hominem” attacks than Romney is is rather disengenuous on your part. The media has been protecting O’bummer from the get go. How has this been fair? You’re pulling our collective leg here, aren’t you?
One more thing:
Absolutely the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Are you sure you’re not part of the Troll Liberation Front? Utter BS on your part. A very casual generalization if you’re applying it to someone like me who is not only bilingual, but has spent some time in Europe. Give me a break.
Blind Mule:
Hilarious! I find them a bit cartoonish myself.
Gabe,
“Well, if he has nothing to hide, then he has no problems”
I don’t think he has a problem. He’s weathered the attacks fairly well thus far. You may feel that he hasn’t been attacked, but that’s inaccurate. He’s been attacked, but the attacks haven’t been able to stick. That’s a significant difference.
“He is being critized for being so above wearing an American pin. How is that ad hominem? That is a policy issue; he evidently feels we should not have pride in America.”
“Barack Hussein Obama refuses to discuss his Columbia and New York years and refuses to discuss his Pakistani roommate or any other people he associated with in New York.”
Are these questions regarding his person? Regardless, his Columbia and New York years are presented in his book. Have you read his book? I’m not saying that everyone should, but I think it would be a good place to start if you personally are curious about his past.
This is, in the least, intellectually dishonst. And quite frankly, I really cannot respond to a pretty ridiculous proposition: Because he does not wear an American flag pin, he does not have pride in his country. Gabe, are you wearing an American flag pin? I’m not, and I have tremendous pride in my country. I think that it would safe to say that the majority of the posters on this site aren’t wearing an American flag pin. Feel free to do an informal poll.
“Barack Hussein Obama has a lot of questions to answer, not least of all the fact that he was head of a terrorist-supporting organization”
That’s not even a question. Regardless, the story states that Obama served on the board of an organization who, in 2001 and 2002, provided a grant to a Palestinian group. A group who’s president’s husband supports a Palestinian State. That’s the closest the story could get without slandering him(an organization that decided to publish the unsubstantiated account of a man who claimed to have had drug-fueled sex with Obama when they were literally were on difference sides of the country). Theses are the questions that concern you?
The problem is Kim Jung Il has an extreme grip on his people. There is no such thing as skepticism in NK, at least not externally. You speak some pro-US opinion, you’re finished, a dead man. Unfortunately, all this concert does is strengthen his legitimacy. Anyways, that’s my opinion, don’t wanna digress too far from original topic…
I don’t know if someone already mentioned it on this thread but Rush read parts of this article about Obama on his show today. It’s an excellent warning about who and what Obama and his Mrs. really are.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html
“…Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.
There is nothing mysterious about Obama’s methods. “A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is,” wrote Karl Krauss. Americans are the world’s biggest suckers, and laugh at this weakness in their popular culture. Listening to Obama speak, Sinclair Lewis’ cynical tent-revivalist Elmer Gantry comes to mind, or, even better, Tyrone Power’s portrayal of a carnival mentalist in the 1947 film noire Nightmare Alley. The latter is available for instant viewing at Netflix, and highly recommended as an antidote to having felt uplifted by an Obama speech….”
It’s not about choosing to wear an American pin or not, it’s about Obama’s refusal to wear an American pin. Devil’s in the details.
emjem24,
“And for you to say that this guy has had more “ad hominem” attacks than Romney is is rather disengenuous on your part. ”
If you actually read what I posted, I don’t think you seriously understood it. I specifically said that he has not been attacked more than Romney.
“Absolutely the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Are you sure you’re not part of the Troll Liberation Front? Utter BS on your part. A very casual generalization if you’re applying it to someone like me who is not only bilingual, but has spent some time in Europe. Give me a break.”
Again, you didn’t understand what I wrote. If you did, you would easily realize that this reference to your personal abilities doesn’t discount what I wrote.
If you want to have an intelligent debate, we can have an intelligent debate. If you’re going to take everything personal and be sensitive about this, I’d rather not be involved.
You all have fun now. Where I am, it is quitting time (2335 or 1135 PM for some of you).
Regards,
Schweggie,
I think Obama’s response to the question of the pin was very true. He said that wearing the pin has become a substitute for Patriotism.
I agree with him(especially when it comes to flying the flag. People stick a flag on their door but never come out it to vote. It’s disgusting). I think the idea that he was trying to promote can more clearly be seen with the cross. People wear the cross as a substitute for acting as real Christians. They wear the cross but never thank God. They wear the cross but look down on their neighbors. I think they do these things because at the end of the day, they look in the mirror and see that cross and think that they’ve been a good Christian.
I think the same thing happens with the flag pin. Rep. Rick Renzi has a flag pin on in the first picture I found of him, and he’s being indicted for corruption. It’s disgusting, and it dimishes the symbol.
My post to Gabe was a little messy.
This:
should be above the part where I’m b!tching at him for being “intellectually dishonest”. Must have been using my thesaurus today
so Chops, I don’t know of anyone that requires perfection before wearing a cross. That’s the whole point of the cross, we’re not perfect, which is why He died for us. I don’t think we should require perfection in our elected officials before they can wear an American Flag lapel pin, either. By your measure, no one could ever wear a cross or an American flag pin, ever. That’s preposterous. Obama’s view is ridiculous unpatriotic nuance aimed at liberals, nothing more.
I do wear my flag pin every day here to Stanford.
mpchops, I don’t think Barack Obama has been honestly scrutinized by the press.
At first it was because they wanted a contest between him and Hillary, to keep
viewers tuning in and buying papers. Now
everywhere it’s about Hillary’s mistakes
I can only hope they have thought about a potential enemies list from Hillary, Bill’s shenanigans and don’t want the past but the promise of change Obama represents. He has not been treated fairly, he’s been treated with kidgloves.
ArmouredCAV: be well.We’ve got your back!
emjem24, from post #180,
I gotta know, which one of them is lgm?
mpChops:
First quote:
Actually, I don’t think I’m misunderstanding anything you said here, now in the full context. You’re actually saying that Obummer’s “ad-hominem attacks” are almost at the same level as Romney’s but that Romney’s are just a bit more. You either need to phrase this better or I swear you’re basically saying both are treated unfairly. You also don’t bring up the MSM and their constant protection of O’bummer. Why is that? If you would like to assert otherwise, then please cite instances where the MSM has actually asked questions or done investigations regarding his policy stances and suitability to be president.
Second quote:
Now, in a contextual sense, I agree. However, in part of this passage you’re asserting that because America has a dominant culture it therefore has made us complacent, unwilling to learn new things. Is this not to you a broad generalization which other posters have brought up to you in regards to your opinion?
Third quote:
I’ve read all of your “work” so to speak. It smacks of multicultural accommodation especially of a domestic nature. Where do you get the sensitivity in my remarks? Please show an instance of where I was “sensitive?” Are you being general again?
As to your remark about my taking things “personally,” I guess you must be referring to my troll comment. I tend to put that out there when someone says something that doesn’t jive with what they’re discussing. Would that be you?
You have a tendency to be very general in your remarks. I referenced myself in my response to show that there are Americans who care about learning, seeing other cultures, etc. Again, your tags don’t jive and don’t address the substantive issue of my response to you.
Thanks for the link Django, great stuff. Speaking of Rush though, did anyone hear the restaurant owner from Delaware, monologuing on energy? Instant classic. Rush will without a doubt have the audio clip on his website tonight…he was so great.
Showard:
I would have to say the one on the far right. If you do a side by side comparison of his troll picture and his profile picture I think you can see the similarities.
LOL
minuscule and blue that the world is such a horrible place.
Schweggie,
I should of been more clear. I’m not saying that their imperfections make them ineligible to wear the cross, but that they define their religiousness due to the fact that they wear it. I really do believe that the cross has ceased to represent a Christian as the wearer and is more often used as an accessory to an outfit. Personally, I think a diamond cross is an oxymoron.
Just as I think that those who’s actions really go against what the flag stands for shouldn’t wear it. If you don’t vote, you shouldn’t promote the flag. If you abuse the office that you’ve been democratically elected to, you shouldn’t be rocking the flag pin.
People use these symbols as a substite for the real thing. They use the cross as a substitute for real religiousness, and the flag for a substitute for real patriotism. I’ll go as far as to say people hide behind these symbols.
mpChops,
#163 the garb is “worn by Muslims and Christians in the region.”
99.99% of Somalis are Muslim. The 00.01% Christians are treated as 2nd class citizens.
#188 “it diminishes the symbol”
Sir, you are wrong, no man can diminish the US flag. But a man can reject the flag. Obama is that man.
emjem24, I wouldn’t have believed it, but I just compared the two pictures, and by golly you’re absolutely right! He even has the same expression on his face!
Emjem,
-www.ForeignPolicy.com
How would you describe this phenomenon? Obviously you’re upset that I used a generality, but please explain why 92% of college students don’t ever take a foreign language class without.